| dowens 04.06.2011 08:46 |
Last night I took some time to view the various footage on YouTube of people visiting Garden Lodge (just the outside, basically), trying to sneak glimpses inside the 'Tradesman Entrance,' and rare footage of Freddie and his friends inside of his house towards the end of his life. It made me think...I know Mary Austin lives there now, but what will happen to Garden Lodge when she passes? I stumbled upon an article about how she asked Freddie to make it a museum after he passed, but he wanted her to have it. I wonder if his estate will become like Elvis' Graceland? It would be nice to have a place to go to give proper respects to Freddie... (and btw, I don't want Mary to pass!) :) |
| Thistle 04.06.2011 08:54 |
Very interesting question! Who knows? Maybe Mary will leave it to her kid(s)? Maybe she will have it in her will for it to become a museum, dedicated to Freddie? Maybe Freddie and her came to an agreement that this would be the case? Maybe the house will be sold and the proceeds go to a home for bewildered cats? Btw, love the last line of your post haha :) |
| plumrach 04.06.2011 08:59 |
According to Freddies will he put something in (and i dont know the technical or right word for it) withregards to anybody who recieves anything in his will, if they pass away 50 years after his death then the passing recievers monies & estate will go to a handicapped childrens fund, so maybe Mary would ask for the house to be sold and all profits go to the childrens fund, unless she does pass the house on to her kids who may have families of their own by then and why not |
| Thistle 04.06.2011 09:03 |
Would be nice for it to become a place to properly pay your respects to Freddie, though. I know Montreaux has the statue, but I just can't afford that trip and don't know if I ever will be able to. |
| OneTrackMind 04.06.2011 09:43 |
It would be nice if it became some kind of museum eventually, but as prime real estate in the middle of London, I can't see that happening. It could be in her family for decades or it might just be sold, which would be a real shame, but that's life. |
| lifetimefanofqueen 04.06.2011 12:14 |
that would indeed be amazing if it turned into a museum, would be quite interesting to go about the house i read so much about in mercury and me, id love to have a look around the garden and pacifically at the pond after reading teh story about the koi fish :P so yes itd be brilliant if it were to be a museum but if it dosent become a museum then she might give it to her children or maybe to one of freddies closest friends |
| john bodega 04.06.2011 14:34 |
Selling it and giving the money to handicapped kids?? That's like giving a Ferrarri to Helen Keller. This world can be so messed up. |
| master marathon runner 04.06.2011 14:45 |
lifetimefanofqueen wrote: that would indeed be amazing if it turned into a museum, would be quite interesting to go about the house i read so much about in mercury and me, id love to have a look around the garden and pacifically at the pond after reading teh story about the koi fish :P so yes itd be brilliant if it were to be a museum but if it dosent become a museum then she might give it to her children or maybe to one of freddies closest friends . . . Specifically. Master marathon runner |
| queenUSA 04.06.2011 15:22 |
I've been to the outside of Garden Lodge (part of the overall Queen pilgrimage). The streets are very narrow, very tight, and it's heavily residential. Given these factors I don't think the surrounding residents would like it much if it were an attraction. The walls are extremely high so really nothing can be seen from the street except the door that says Garden Lodge and the tip of the roof. |
| alaynasusan 04.06.2011 23:18 |
Maybe it'll go up for sale and some crazy fan will buy it and turn it into the Good House of Lord Freddie. I'd worship there. |
| Dubroc 05.06.2011 07:09 |
Please not another Graceland... |
| sunny2 05.06.2011 21:09 |
I don't see Mary leaving the house to her children. Simply because she has two sons, and they would each have their own family with their own homes. I wonder if there is a trust set up by Freddie for the upkeep of the house. Keeping that place going has to cost a fortune. Perhaps the will addresses the succession of the house after Mary's death. |
| plumrach 05.06.2011 23:58 |
There is a point in his will for anybody who recieves anything from the will, if they havepassed on 50 years after his death then the money and estate will go to a childrens charity, presumably that will be the case even after 50 years + i have included a link to the will that somebody posted on facebook, i guess most people will be able to see it, unless you have to add the person who has posted as a friend link |
| FriedChicken 06.06.2011 04:20 |
It will probably be sold, our given to one of her kids. It's just a house.. |
| Holly2003 06.06.2011 04:43 |
In accordance with Fred's last will and testament, it will be demolished and a Taco Bell will open on the site. |
| john bodega 06.06.2011 06:00 |
They should put a mosque there. |
| splicksplack 06.06.2011 11:35 |
Holly2003 wrote: In accordance with Fred's last will and testament, it will be demolished and a Taco Bell will open on the site. Ha ha. In the eighties there was a Taco Bell on Earls's Court Road (just around the corner), the only one I ever knew of in the UK. |
| lifetimefanofqueen 06.06.2011 15:56 |
FriedChicken wrote: It's just a house.. ============================= to some people i know its a temple! |
| Holly2003 06.06.2011 17:21 |
splicksplack wrote: Holly2003 wrote: In accordance with Fred's last will and testament, it will be demolished and a Taco Bell will open on the site. Ha ha. In the eighties there was a Taco Bell on Earls's Court Road (just around the corner), the only one I ever knew of in the UK. =========================================================== Taco Bell is the best fast food chain in the Universe. Fred is probably eating Taco Bell right now, while fighting off the sexual advances of a drunken Jim Morrison. |
| dowens 06.06.2011 20:09 |
I've never been to Graceland actually, but it would be great if Garden Lodge could become a place to visit and learn about Freddie Mercury and Queen. A museum would be great!!! |
| DeidreLee 23.07.2011 20:44 |
I hope Garden Lodge will go to the daughter of Freddie's sister. I wonder why Mary cast out those who took care of Freddie with such love and devotion. In an inteview she related how diffcult it was to move into the house since Freddie's staff left her. I wonder if she kept in touch with Freddie's family...so many sad times...his loss let this world without a good and kind man and I know he would never have hurt his friends/caretakers they way they were hurt. I do not mean to disparage anybody, but it is very troublesome to me to know of his kindness being cast aside at his death. |
| jpf 25.07.2011 01:56 |
DeidreLee wrote: I hope Garden Lodge will go to the daughter of Freddie's sister. I wonder why Mary cast out those who took care of Freddie with such love and devotion. In an inteview she related how diffcult it was to move into the house since Freddie's staff left her. I wonder if she kept in touch with Freddie's family...so many sad times...his loss let this world without a good and kind man and I know he would never have hurt his friends/caretakers they way they were hurt. I do not mean to disparage anybody, but it is very troublesome to me to know of his kindness being cast aside at his death. ------ Mary cast out Peter, Jim, and Joe from Garden Lodge because she's a cunt. Freddie would have been pissed. |
| freddiefan91 25.07.2011 02:51 |
I suspect it was more Jim Beech's doing in serving notice to the staff at Garden Lodge, as he was Freddies executor, Mary may not have had anything to do with it at all you cant always take the word of people who have left they are bound to be bitter and angry about it |
| Holly2003 25.07.2011 04:47 |
jpf wrote: DeidreLee wrote: I hope Garden Lodge will go to the daughter of Freddie's sister. I wonder why Mary cast out those who took care of Freddie with such love and devotion. In an inteview she related how diffcult it was to move into the house since Freddie's staff left her. I wonder if she kept in touch with Freddie's family...so many sad times...his loss let this world without a good and kind man and I know he would never have hurt his friends/caretakers they way they were hurt. I do not mean to disparage anybody, but it is very troublesome to me to know of his kindness being cast aside at his death. ------ Mary cast out Peter, Jim, and Joe from Garden Lodge because she's a cunt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Funnily enough, I was thinking the same thing about you. btw Kiss SUCK! |
| john bodega 25.07.2011 12:22 |
Just bulldoze it ... put up a block of flats or something. No wait - a bowling alley. Call it "Freddie's" - THAT would be fucking awesome. The facade of the building could be a giant Freddie face, where the teeth are bowling pins. See if they can't sue Mary Austin while they're at it. Not sure what for, but you don't really need a reason these days. Let's get the old hag acquainted with all of the wonders of insolvency! |
| catqueen 25.07.2011 15:40 |
It would be amazing, but i kind of can't really see it turning into a museum. Maybe it will and i'm just too cynical or something to imagine it, but i can't really see it happening. Would be incredible though... |
| brENsKi 25.07.2011 16:30 |
i really really really f**king cant understand the need to keep bringing this up. freddie left the house to mary. therefore it's hers. it's not mecca, or bethlehem, or lourdes, or any other pilgrimage site....it's somewhere that a rock star USED to live...he doesn't anymore, mary lives there..... i couldnt give a fuck what she does with it...her's to do as she pleases.... and if some of the commentators on here really respected freddie's wishes...you'd leave the woman in peace.... the morbid fascinations of some folk is beyond belief.....Garden lodge did not create this attention while freddie was alive....ffs - it's where he went to die.....let it go......this theme is almost as bad as the constantly cropping up "has anyone got any photos of freddie from 1991?" i really hope she bulldozes the lodge, then the "what will happen to it" talk stops once and for all |
| john bodega 25.07.2011 22:18 |
Has anyone got any photos of Freddie from 1991? |
| TyphoonTip 26.07.2011 08:05 |
Zebonka12 wrote: Has anyone got any photos of Freddie from 1991? ....from inside the Lodge. |
| malicedoom 26.07.2011 09:42 |
Hehehehehe... you guys are a riot. We all know Mary is evil - let's just leave it at that. And I'm just (half) kidding. :) |
| catqueen 26.07.2011 12:34 |
TyphoonTip wrote: Zebonka12 wrote: Has anyone got any photos of Freddie from 1991? ....from inside the Lodge. roflrofl *groan* |
| catqueen 26.07.2011 12:38 |
brENsKi wrote: freddie left the house to mary. therefore it's hers. it's not mecca, or bethlehem, or lourdes, or any other pilgrimage site....it's somewhere that a rock star USED to live...he doesn't anymore, mary lives there..... i couldnt give a fuck what she does with it...her's to do as she pleases.... indeed you have a point. While it would be amazing to see where Freddie lived, at the same time, i'd rather listen to his music, and Graceland freaks me out a bit. I haven't been there, but its just really weird. and yeah, its Mary's home... (guess i just backpedaled a bit, and i do think it would be kinda cool if it was, but its not something i'd just be waiting to see it happen. Plus then, what about Brian's house, Roger's house and (haha) John's house eventually. i mean they can't all be saved for posterity, and tourists traipsing around the place might just cheapen it, no matter how tastefully it was handled.) |
| Donna13 26.07.2011 13:34 |
If Brian had tourists coming through his house (assuming he would still be alive and living in the house), there would probably be the occasional post on his soapbox complaining about it. |
| catqueen 26.07.2011 16:30 |
Donna13 wrote: If Brian had tourists coming through his house (assuming he would still be alive and living in the house), there would probably be the occasional post on his soapbox complaining about it. occasional? LOL *that's why i said eventually. I mean every famous person can't have their house turned into a museum. |
| GratefulFan 26.07.2011 16:55 |
I don't think tourists would be a huge step for Brian. I hear Anita comes through sometimes, and realistically if she's not going to use her bedroom it may as well be a gift shop. :P |
| jpf 29.07.2011 03:30 |
freddiefan91 wrote: I suspect it was more Jim Beech's doing in serving notice to the staff at Garden Lodge, as he was Freddies executor, Mary may not have had anything to do with it at all you cant always take the word of people who have left they are bound to be bitter and angry about it ---- Jim Beech wanted Peter, Jim, and Joe out of Garden Lodge, too. Again, Freddie would have been pissed. Mary hated Joe, per Jim and Peter. She wanted them all out. Jim and Joe were banished to the Logan Mews by Jim Beech before their 3 month time limit to stay at Garden Lodge was up. The combination of Peter, Jim, and Joe were with Freddie 24/7 during the final stages of his disease. Mary wasn't. How the three of them were treated by Mary and Jim is sickening. I look at it this way. Garden Lodge gave the three of them enjoyment when Freddie was alive. Garden Lodge became a prison after his death. Mary got what she deserved; she became a prisoner behind those high stone walls. She's reminded of Freddie 24/7. Joe, Jim, and Peter were able to go on with their lives. |
| freddiefan91 29.07.2011 06:23 |
Logan mews was hardly a slum and Peter Freestone had been living there for a while before freddie died anyway and Mary has said before that she was around a lot when Freddie was sick Also Freddie bought Joe a house before he died so that he would have somewhere to live Theres always two sides to everything and just because one side does not talk does not mean you have to believe the side that does We are all entitled to believe whatever we like really i guess |
| malicedoom 29.07.2011 08:07 |
From all I've read, I'd have to agree with jpf on this one - unfortunately, because I wish things had ended differently (for all of them). |
| brENsKi 29.07.2011 08:36 |
i can't believe any of the complete sh*t i am reading on here...let's establish some facts: 1. Mary was Freddie's first true love....she was closer to him than any of his supposed "companions" for 20yrs.... 2. Freddie left Mary garden lodge - i cannot believe for one second that someone who loved freddie as mary did would not honour his last wishes...which must mean he gave the lodge to her unconditionally....cos you dont give someone a house with sitting tenants...that's not a gift...it's a fucking headache 3. as alreayd said...freddie's "companions" were well looked after - in the cases where Freddie wishes to look after them...anyone else, - well he obviously didnt care that much about them 4. whose name is on the title deeds? Mary's 5. if people really want a pilgrimage...go to fuckign montreux........there's a landmark there finally, i will defend Mary to the hilt...because NONE of you supposed "Freddie fans" can be bothered to repsect or defend the one woman he truly cared about enough to leave her property worth millions.......surely THAT says it all..... tell you one thing...the bitching about mary on here.....if you knew anything about Freddie it's that would not have put up with it one bit subject closed |
| plumrach 29.07.2011 09:06 |
I agree, Freddie trusted Mary more than anybody and as brenski says the other people in the house were well taken care of |
| john bodega 29.07.2011 11:19 |
"NONE of you supposed "Freddie fans" can be bothered to repsect or defend the one woman he truly cared about enough to leave her property worth millions" Herp a derp a tittly tumpa derp. Respect is earned; so what if Freddie liked her? Why should anyone follow the inklings of a dead man? She was Freddie's friend, not mine. Personally, I'm indifferent to her. Couldn't give two fucks. |
| malicedoom 29.07.2011 12:09 |
No, I don't respect her. But that's just me. I don't think Mary is losing any sleep over it though... |
| brENsKi 29.07.2011 16:08 |
i really do hope she drops a "little boy" or "fan man" on the lodge will stop the apologists complaining that they have nowhere to go to respect freddie cos lets face it...NONE of us respected him...we didnt' FUCKING know him...we liked his music...that's it |
| paulosham 29.07.2011 17:24 |
brENsKi wrote: cos lets face it...NONE of us respected him...we didnt' FUCKING know him...we liked his music...that's it ....and his moustache. |
| john bodega 29.07.2011 22:56 |
"we didnt' FUCKING know him...we liked his music...that's it" Now, you're making sense! |
| jpf 30.07.2011 00:18 |
freddiefan91 wrote: Logan mews was hardly a slum and Peter Freestone had been living there for a while before freddie died anyway and Mary has said before that she was around a lot when Freddie was sick Also Freddie bought Joe a house before he died so that he would have somewhere to live Theres always two sides to everything and just because one side does not talk does not mean you have to believe the side that does We are all entitled to believe whatever we like really i guess -- Garden Lodge was a mansion. Logan Mews was a flat. Peter, Joe, and Jim were forced out of their home by Mary and Jim Beech. Freddie would have been pissed. |
| jpf 30.07.2011 00:26 |
brENsKi wrote: i can't believe any of the complete sh*t i am reading on here...let's establish some facts: 1. Mary was Freddie's first true love....she was closer to him than any of his supposed "companions" for 20yrs.... 2. Freddie left Mary garden lodge - i cannot believe for one second that someone who loved freddie as mary did would not honour his last wishes...which must mean he gave the lodge to her unconditionally....cos you dont give someone a house with sitting tenants...that's not a gift...it's a fucking headache 3. as alreayd said...freddie's "companions" were well looked after - in the cases where Freddie wishes to look after them...anyone else, - well he obviously didnt care that much about them 4. whose name is on the title deeds? Mary's 5. if people really want a pilgrimage...go to fuckign montreux........there's a landmark there finally, i will defend Mary to the hilt...because NONE of you supposed "Freddie fans" can be bothered to repsect or defend the one woman he truly cared about enough to leave her property worth millions.......surely THAT says it all..... tell you one thing...the bitching about mary on here.....if you knew anything about Freddie it's that would not have put up with it one bit subject closed ---- Subject's not closed. Freddie cared about Mary so much that he cheated on her with other men. Mary was Freddie's "fag hag." Mary knew how to play the game. If she had left when they split up, she would have missed out on "living the rock and roll lifestyle." She wasn't going to let that happen. She had found her sugar daddy. |
| freddiefan91 30.07.2011 00:41 |
@jpf Logan mews was 2 dwellings knocked into 1 house,Freddie bought the ground floor off the prev owner and converted it, it clearly says so in Peter Freestones book |
| jpf 30.07.2011 01:55 |
freddiefan91 wrote: @jpf Logan mews was 2 dwellings knocked into 1 house,Freddie bought the ground floor off the prev owner and converted it, it clearly says so in Peter Freestones book --- I know what Logan Mews is. I have Peter and Jim's books and I've seen photos and videos of the inside of it. It's a flat. |
| andreas_mercury 01.08.2011 10:27 |
in that, like a lot of woman (not ALL of them but a lot) mary austen is just famous for playing freddie mercury like a harp, even manipulating him all those years to get her hands to his fortune. fucker out whore. |
| brENsKi 01.08.2011 12:10 |
andreas_mercury wrote: in that, like a lot of woman (not ALL of them but a lot) mary austen is just famous for playing freddie mercury like a harp, even manipulating him all those years to get her hands to his fortune. fucker out whore. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ right. and you - the person who is always saying what a god-like genius Freddie was, is now saying he was a gullible stupid twat - taken in by the wiles of a connivingly (and obviously transparently so) "HARPie"? you sir, take the award for the most moronic statement in this thread. |
| catqueen 01.08.2011 17:18 |
Freddie knew he was extremely sick, knew he was likely dieing, i imagine he would have made sure his will and all, and his wishes were clear enough to be understood. And being a private person, he probably did NOT publicise them because of privacy, not because he didn't have them... |
| jpf 02.08.2011 01:43 |
catqueen wrote: Freddie knew he was extremely sick, knew he was likely dieing, i imagine he would have made sure his will and all, and his wishes were clear enough to be understood. And being a private person, he probably did NOT publicise them because of privacy, not because he didn't have them... ---- A copy of his will can be found online. Someone on this discussion board most likely has the link. |
| DaveyLane 02.08.2011 09:37 |
jpf wrote: brENsKi wrote: i can't believe any of the complete sh*t i am reading on here...let's establish some facts: 1. Mary was Freddie's first true love....she was closer to him than any of his supposed "companions" for 20yrs.... 2. Freddie left Mary garden lodge - i cannot believe for one second that someone who loved freddie as mary did would not honour his last wishes...which must mean he gave the lodge to her unconditionally....cos you dont give someone a house with sitting tenants...that's not a gift...it's a fucking headache 3. as alreayd said...freddie's "companions" were well looked after - in the cases where Freddie wishes to look after them...anyone else, - well he obviously didnt care that much about them 4. whose name is on the title deeds? Mary's 5. if people really want a pilgrimage...go to fuckign montreux........there's a landmark there finally, i will defend Mary to the hilt...because NONE of you supposed "Freddie fans" can be bothered to repsect or defend the one woman he truly cared about enough to leave her property worth millions.......surely THAT says it all..... tell you one thing...the bitching about mary on here.....if you knew anything about Freddie it's that would not have put up with it one bit subject closed ---- Subject's not closed. Freddie cared about Mary so much that he cheated on her with other men. Mary was Freddie's "fag hag." Mary knew how to play the game. If she had left when they split up, she would have missed out on "living the rock and roll lifestyle." She wasn't going to let that happen. She had found her sugar daddy. Who the fuck are you to comment on people you never knew and will never meet? Fine, you deem it fit to add your thoughts to something you've only read about in books about Queen or gossip rags. You, and nor I for that matter, will ever know the half of it. Now shut up! |
| Holly2003 02.08.2011 10:29 |
DaveyLane wrote: jpf wrote: Who the fuck are you to comment on people you never knew and will never meet? Fine, you deem it fit to add your thoughts to something you've only read about in books about Queen or gossip rags. You, and nor I for that matter, will ever know the half of it. Now shut up! lol! Absolutely spot on. |
| Donna13 02.08.2011 10:52 |
I have not read any of these unkind books written by so-called friends of Freddie. I would not want to spend money on that sort of thing and they don't have such books in the libraries in the United States. So, even though it might be interesting to read them, I haven't. But if I did read them, I would realize that it was just one person's account. When you talk to different people about a subject, you get different perceptions from each person. People have mis-perceptions also when emotion is involved. So, taking any one person's story as being 100 percent accurate - that is just not very smart. But from what I've read for free online, I know that Freddie thought of Mary as his only real friend. The suggestion that she wanted him for his money is pretty ridiculous when you consider that he was not making big money when she met him. In fact, she probably considered him to be poor. I also heard from another person, who knew Mary well, that she was very kind, generous, and a good friend. |
| jpf 03.08.2011 00:37 |
DaveyLane wrote: jpf wrote: brENsKi wrote: i can't believe any of the complete sh*t i am reading on here...let's establish some facts: 1. Mary was Freddie's first true love....she was closer to him than any of his supposed "companions" for 20yrs.... 2. Freddie left Mary garden lodge - i cannot believe for one second that someone who loved freddie as mary did would not honour his last wishes...which must mean he gave the lodge to her unconditionally....cos you dont give someone a house with sitting tenants...that's not a gift...it's a fucking headache 3. as alreayd said...freddie's "companions" were well looked after - in the cases where Freddie wishes to look after them...anyone else, - well he obviously didnt care that much about them 4. whose name is on the title deeds? Mary's 5. if people really want a pilgrimage...go to fuckign montreux........there's a landmark there finally, i will defend Mary to the hilt...because NONE of you supposed "Freddie fans" can be bothered to repsect or defend the one woman he truly cared about enough to leave her property worth millions.......surely THAT says it all..... tell you one thing...the bitching about mary on here.....if you knew anything about Freddie it's that would not have put up with it one bit subject closed ---- Subject's not closed. Freddie cared about Mary so much that he cheated on her with other men. Mary was Freddie's "fag hag." Mary knew how to play the game. If she had left when they split up, she would have missed out on "living the rock and roll lifestyle." She wasn't going to let that happen. She had found her sugar daddy. Who the fuck are you to comment on people you never knew and will never meet? Fine, you deem it fit to add your thoughts to something you've only read about in books about Queen or gossip rags. You, and nor I for that matter, will ever know the half of it. Now shut up! ---- I'll post whatever I please. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. |
| jpf 03.08.2011 00:45 |
Donna13 wrote: I have not read any of these unkind books written by so-called friends of Freddie. I would not want to spend money on that sort of thing and they don't have such books in the libraries in the United States. So, even though it might be interesting to read them, I haven't. But if I did read them, I would realize that it was just one person's account. When you talk to different people about a subject, you get different perceptions from each person. People have mis-perceptions also when emotion is involved. So, taking any one person's story as being 100 percent accurate - that is just not very smart. But from what I've read for free online, I know that Freddie thought of Mary as his only real friend. The suggestion that she wanted him for his money is pretty ridiculous when you consider that he was not making big money when she met him. In fact, she probably considered him to be poor. I also heard from another person, who knew Mary well, that she was very kind, generous, and a good friend. ---- She wasn't a kind, generous, good friend to Peter, Joe, and Jim. The way she treated them shows how much of an unkind, greedy, shitty friend she was to Freddie. She treated Freddie's closest friends, the three friends that attended to him 24/7 while he was at his worst health-wise, like shit. BTW, since you haven't read those "unkind" books, it makes you uninformed. |
| plumrach 03.08.2011 03:48 |
here is a link to a copy of the will, there are many pages so it might take a while to read link With regards to Mary and her so called bad treating of freddies housemates, she does not seem the type to be all the nasty things that people have said about her but then again none of us know the truth, only bits and pieces |
| DaveyLane 03.08.2011 06:46 |
I'll post whatever I please. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. As eloquent a post from you as I might have expected.... Doesn't make the aspersions you've cast any more right though. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. |
| jpf 04.08.2011 03:52 |
DaveyLane wrote: I'll post whatever I please. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. As eloquent a post from you as I might have expected.... Doesn't make the aspersions you've cast any more right though. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. ---- You're a hypocrite. You're the one who doesn't have a clue. Try reading some books so that you can get a clue. |
| Holly2003 04.08.2011 04:47 |
jpf wrote: DaveyLane wrote: I'll post whatever I please. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. As eloquent a post from you as I might have expected.... Doesn't make the aspersions you've cast any more right though. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. ---- You're a hypocrite. You're the one who doesn't have a clue. Try reading some books so that you can get a clue. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So what bit of Fred's last will and testament is Mary supposed to have broken? |
| TyphoonTip 04.08.2011 04:51 |
jpf wrote: DaveyLane wrote: I'll post whatever I please. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. As eloquent a post from you as I might have expected.... Doesn't make the aspersions you've cast any more right though. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. ---- You're a hypocrite. You're the one who doesn't have a clue. Try reading some books so that you can get a clue. _____________________________ Really, do you have a brain injury? The point that he and others are making, is that despite all the books you might read, or how much of an expert you profess to be, YOU DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, none of us did. Therefore anything we say is nothing more than presumption and/or guesswork. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. You don't have any greater insight into this than anyone else. Yet you feel you are somehow in possession of 'the facts'?! It amazes me how deluded some people are. |
| catqueen 04.08.2011 05:49 |
jpf wrote: Donna13 wrote: I have not read any of these unkind books written by so-called friends of Freddie. I would not want to spend money on that sort of thing and they don't have such books in the libraries in the United States. So, even though it might be interesting to read them, I haven't. But if I did read them, I would realize that it was just one person's account. When you talk to different people about a subject, you get different perceptions from each person. People have mis-perceptions also when emotion is involved. So, taking any one person's story as being 100 percent accurate - that is just not very smart. But from what I've read for free online, I know that Freddie thought of Mary as his only real friend. The suggestion that she wanted him for his money is pretty ridiculous when you consider that he was not making big money when she met him. In fact, she probably considered him to be poor. I also heard from another person, who knew Mary well, that she was very kind, generous, and a good friend. ---- She wasn't a kind, generous, good friend to Peter, Joe, and Jim. The way she treated them shows how much of an unkind, greedy, shitty friend she was to Freddie. She treated Freddie's closest friends, the three friends that attended to him 24/7 while he was at his worst health-wise, like shit. BTW, since you haven't read those "unkind" books, it makes you uninformed. things vary depending on people's interpretation of events. I haven't read many of them either, although i have read some. Freddie was wealthy and extremely famous, that could be a factor in why people want to write books about him. Also, people made money by makiing a dramatic story. And i know some people close to Freddie did not like a lot of those books, but i can't remember where i read that, so i dont have the link to back that up. But just because someone wrote a book does not mean that the book was accurate. Freddie had other relationships that concerned some of his close friends, maybe some of them didn't like mary, that's fair enough. BUT you can't necessarily go from 'person a dislikes mary' to 'mary is a bad person, and swindled Freddie.' Those books are not like a speech at someones funeral, or an obituary. They were written for profit, and got the authors some level of 'fame' by association. Therefore, they are not totally objective. (IMO) |
| malicedoom 04.08.2011 08:15 |
"So what bit of Fred's last will and testament is Mary supposed to have broken?" --------------------------------------------------- Great point. Freddie didn't have it IN HIS WILL requesting the 3 closest people to him while he was dying NOT be treated like shit once he passed. I guess he just EXPECTED that kind of decency from Mary, eh? What a mistake on his part. He should have put it in the will, I suppose. |
| Holly2003 04.08.2011 08:28 |
malicedoom wrote: "So what bit of Fred's last will and testament is Mary supposed to have broken?" --------------------------------------------------- Great point. Freddie didn't have it IN HIS WILL requesting the 3 closest people to him while he was dying NOT be treated like shit once he passed. I guess he just EXPECTED that kind of decency from Mary, eh? What a mistake on his part. He should have put it in the will, I suppose. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Err.. it says in his will that the property should go to Mary not his 3 friends. Instead (if I read the will properly) he left them substantial amounts of money. How did she treat them like shit? Weren't they asked to leave so she could move into the house with her family? Freddie specifically willed the property to Mary and made no provision whatsoever for them to stay there, so why in the world would they expect to keep living there after their one reason for being there -- Fred -- had passed away and willed the property to someone else? I really don't get the line of reasoning here. |
| GratefulFan 04.08.2011 13:32 |
Donna13 wrote: I have not read any of these unkind books written by so-called friends of Freddie. I would not want to spend money on that sort of thing and they don't have such books in the libraries in the United States. So, even though it might be interesting to read them, I haven't. But if I did read them, I would realize that it was just one person's account. When you talk to different people about a subject, you get different perceptions from each person. People have mis-perceptions also when emotion is involved. So, taking any one person's story as being 100 percent accurate - that is just not very smart. =============================== The books were not unkind. They were actually characterized by of a lot of devotion. People forget I think just how much they filled out the facile and cruel tabloid narrative of Freddie, which truly was unkind. There was a certain dovetailing of the feelings surrounding Mary's decisions in both Jim and Peter's separately written books that give their view of that period some additional credibility, but even then it wasn't entirely unkind. They seemed more confused and hurt than anything. Jim in particular seemed to feel marginalized, which is understandable in a homosexual relationship with a public person who kept his private life private. They were grieving, and that was their home, and they perhaps didn't feel ready to leave and let go of such a tangible tie with Freddie. I think their feelings then are completely understandable. But I think Mary's feelings are equally understandable. Her inheritance was an immense responsibility, both practically and to Freddie's memory, and perhaps feeling around in the dark a little in a new and daunting situation she appeared to overshoot a little. But to a quiet and reserved woman with a husband and small children, the idea of three grown men underfoot - two of whom were HIV positive - would likely be a little offputting to say the least. With such huge changes I'm sure she needed order back in her family's life as soon as practicable. I think the manner of having them leave - i.e. impersonally via Jim Beach - was the problem as much as anything else. A frank and honest and compassionate personal conversation might have gone a long way. |
| GratefulFan 04.08.2011 13:35 |
Holly2003 wrote: So what bit of Fred's last will and testament is Mary supposed to have broken? ================================ It was the 40,000 pounds he left for the specific purpose of establishing a foundation to tell the world that KISS SUCKS!, and that he had Paul Stanley six ways to Sunday, and always to 'Beth' on loop, at Paul's insistence. |
| malicedoom 04.08.2011 15:08 |
:) Nice. Also: "I think the manner of having them leave - i.e. impersonally via Jim Beach - was the problem as much as anything else. A frank and honest and compassionate personal conversation might have gone a long way." --- Agree completely. And I think they deserved that. Just my $0.02. |
| brENsKi 04.08.2011 16:18 |
GratefulFan wrote: Holly2003 wrote: So what bit of Fred's last will and testament is Mary supposed to have broken? ================================ It was the 40,000 pounds he left for the specific purpose of establishing a foundation to tell the world that KISS SUCKS!, and that he had Paul Stanley six ways to Sunday, and always to 'Beth' on loop, at Paul's insistence. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Beth" was Peter Criss' song (and he also sang lead on it).... surely the best song for Fred to have Paul to was "Every Time I Look At You (from behind)" think the lyrics go somehting like: But every time I look at you, and the ass that I'm goin' thru, it's easy to see And every time I bum you, and my spunk deep inside you, seem to cum easily 'Cause you're my Paul St**ley |
| GratefulFan 04.08.2011 20:57 |
brENsKi wrote: "Beth" was Peter Criss' song (and he also sang lead on it).... surely the best song for Fred to have Paul to was "Every Time I Look At You (from behind)" think the lyrics go somehting like: But every time I look at you, and the ass that I'm goin' thru, it's easy to see And every time I bum you, and my spunk deep inside you, seem to cum easily 'Cause you're my Paul St**ley ====================== I know it was Criss' song. Probably the only reason I can stand it. Those lyrics are a little rough for me, but I dig the fact that despite all the indelicacy 'Stanley' was the only word you felt you needed to soften up a little. He really is that bad. Ha ha. |
| GratefulFan 04.08.2011 21:13 |
malicedoom wrote: Agree completely. And I think they deserved that. Just my $0.02. =============================== I think my point really is that it's possible for the guys to have legitimately felt hurt and treated unfairly and for Mary to have done nothing wrong, at the same time. I wasn't there of course, but just having a sense of human nature as we all do it's easy to imagine that neither party had a very good sense of the other's perspective. I really think the most likely scenario was Mary acting out of a strong sense of responsibility to take care of Freddie's estate well, which frankly meant taking control of it. To Jim and Peter and Joe it seems to have felt like being abruptly pushed aside, and I understand that. A conversation was not only owed the guys, but Mary too. I think they all deserved it. She's the one who ended up a little tarnished in the books. |
| jpf 05.08.2011 03:47 |
TyphoonTip wrote: jpf wrote: DaveyLane wrote: I'll post whatever I please. If you don't like it you can go fuck yourself. As eloquent a post from you as I might have expected.... Doesn't make the aspersions you've cast any more right though. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about. ---- You're a hypocrite. You're the one who doesn't have a clue. Try reading some books so that you can get a clue. _____________________________ Really, do you have a brain injury? The point that he and others are making, is that despite all the books you might read, or how much of an expert you profess to be, YOU DIDN'T KNOW ANY OF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED, none of us did. Therefore anything we say is nothing more than presumption and/or guesswork. It's not a difficult concept to grasp. You don't have any greater insight into this than anyone else. Yet you feel you are somehow in possession of 'the facts'?! It amazes me how deluded some people are. ---- It's called having an opinion. My opinion. Got it? Mary was a cunt. That's my opinion. I assume Peter, Jim, and Joe think/thought of her that way, too, when they were removed from Garden Lodge. Bottom line is Freddie would have been pissed the way Mary treated his friends. There is no guess work needed when two people wrote two books and basically said the same things about her. Deluded and in denial describes you. |
| jpf 05.08.2011 03:52 |
catqueen wrote: jpf wrote: Donna13 wrote: I have not read any of these unkind books written by so-called friends of Freddie. I would not want to spend money on that sort of thing and they don't have such books in the libraries in the United States. So, even though it might be interesting to read them, I haven't. But if I did read them, I would realize that it was just one person's account. When you talk to different people about a subject, you get different perceptions from each person. People have mis-perceptions also when emotion is involved. So, taking any one person's story as being 100 percent accurate - that is just not very smart. But from what I've read for free online, I know that Freddie thought of Mary as his only real friend. The suggestion that she wanted him for his money is pretty ridiculous when you consider that he was not making big money when she met him. In fact, she probably considered him to be poor. I also heard from another person, who knew Mary well, that she was very kind, generous, and a good friend. ---- She wasn't a kind, generous, good friend to Peter, Joe, and Jim. The way she treated them shows how much of an unkind, greedy, shitty friend she was to Freddie. She treated Freddie's closest friends, the three friends that attended to him 24/7 while he was at his worst health-wise, like shit. BTW, since you haven't read those "unkind" books, it makes you uninformed. things vary depending on people's interpretation of events. I haven't read many of them either, although i have read some. Freddie was wealthy and extremely famous, that could be a factor in why people want to write books about him. Also, people made money by makiing a dramatic story. And i know some people close to Freddie did not like a lot of those books, but i can't remember where i read that, so i dont have the link to back that up. But just because someone wrote a book does not mean that the book was accurate. Freddie had other relationships that concerned some of his close friends, maybe some of them didn't like mary, that's fair enough. BUT you can't necessarily go from 'person a dislikes mary' to 'mary is a bad person, and swindled Freddie.' Those books are not like a speech at someones funeral, or an obituary. They were written for profit, and got the authors some level of 'fame' by association. Therefore, they are not totally objective. (IMO) ---- Two people writing two books who basically said the same things that had happened at Garden Lodge. I'll go with their words on the subject matter. Your post makes it look like Peter and Jim were strangers and knew little about Freddie. |
| jpf 05.08.2011 03:56 |
malicedoom wrote: "So what bit of Fred's last will and testament is Mary supposed to have broken?" --------------------------------------------------- Great point. Freddie didn't have it IN HIS WILL requesting the 3 closest people to him while he was dying NOT be treated like shit once he passed. I guess he just EXPECTED that kind of decency from Mary, eh? What a mistake on his part. He should have put it in the will, I suppose. ---- Yes. |
| jpf 05.08.2011 04:09 |
I think we need some KISS news. Let's see ... "KISSology 4" is scheduled to be released before the end of this year. KISS will be finishing up studio cd number 20 soon for a release early next year. World tour to follow. KISS book "Nothin' To Lose" covering the early years (1973 to 1975), with input from Gene and Paul, will be released summer of 2012. 40th Anniversary coming up. And from Queen ... Another release of "Wembley '86." Someone should really give Brian and Roger copies of "KISSology" 1 through 3 to show them how to actually release vintage concert material and interviews. |
| Holly2003 05.08.2011 11:39 |
By the absence of any replies to my question I'll assume Mary is following the terms of Fred's last will to the letter. Good enough for me. Mind you, it wouldn't bother me if she let Fred's old boyfriends stay or if she bulldozed the place. I have very little interest in the personal lives of Queen, only their music. Thanks for the warning about the Kiss tour skip. |
| GratefulFan 05.08.2011 12:49 |
jpf wrote: Someone should really give Brian and Roger copies of "KISSology" 1 through 3 to show them how to actually release vintage concert material and interviews. ============================ Well, we can agree at least that there's zero chance they already have, uh, 'KISSology' bad through worse. |
| br5946 14.08.2011 04:39 |
People can debate Mary's 'wickedness' stemming from a vicious split with Freddie until they're blue in the face, but as far as I know, their split was amicable, and I doubt Mary's friendly mood towards Freddie changed. She made him Richard's godfather, for Christ's sake. Not forgetting of course, that Freddie wrote Love of My Life for Mary. And apparently she was at the Milton Keynes '82 concert when he dedicated it to her. |
| The Real Wizard 14.08.2011 13:19 |
Those two books were pure cash-ins, as they would never have seen the light of day had Freddie lived. Had they been true friends, they would have respected Freddie's wishes to keep his private life private. But the dollar signs in their eyes won the moral battle. Paul Prenter may have betrayed Freddie in life by selling him out to a tabloid, but Jim and Peter betrayed him in death. And it looks like they're bitterly jealous that Mary got the house. They clearly can't come to terms with the fact that Freddie loved a woman more than them. This isn't rocket science. |
| GratefulFan 14.08.2011 19:00 |
Quite a few biographical works happen after people are dead. There's little to be complaining about in these books. They're largely sentimental fluff written by wholly average biographers, and except for the fact that Freddie's dignity perhaps suffered some in the recounts of his last days, they really couldn't be more inoffensive. What I mostly remember from them is Fred's kindness, loyalty, generosity and sense of fun. And his dedication to his work. What I mostly remember from the other biography I read is the scene of a grim and depressing sexual encounter with multiple strangers he allegedly offered himself up for somewhere in South America. Freddie's 'story' was going to be told anyway. You can't think of a single other motivation beyond money for these guys that had just inherited a half million pounds each? |
| angelmom808 22.07.2012 19:18 |
Maybe, (I don't know-just speculating), Peter, Jim, Joe and so on, just reminded Mary of what "wasn't to be" and she couldn't deal with being reminded of the life, marriage, kids that she DIDN'T have with Freddie....just an opinion |
| plumrach 23.07.2012 02:55 |
More likely she wanted to live in the house with her family and Peter Jim and Joe were not part of her family |
| FreddiesEarlGreyQueen 20.02.2018 03:42 |
I don't think Garden Lodge will ever become a museum based on the location & the people who live around there have multi million pound properties, they'd complain about crowds of people and traffic. They've already been complaining about the fans leaving tributes on the wall. There should be a proper memorial somewhere in London, a little garden or something like the George Michael fans have done. There's always been rumours that Freddie's ashes are at Garden Lodge & Mary has continued to honour her promise to him not to reveal where they are. Mary's very careful about who she allows into the house as it is. The house is full of very expensive items worth millions of pounds & ofcourse she wouldn't want to risk damage or theft to those items, not saying that that would be the intention of Queen fans but there are that few who can be a bit crazy and over obsessed, like the ones who have tried to harass Mary or the ones who would send Freddie letters saying they would "get him" if he didn't respond to him (see phoebe's book). There's a video on youtube of two guys hanging about outside garden lodge & they spot Mary getting out of a cab, as soon as they see her one of the men runs up to her trying to get her attention. She seemed scared (as you would be if two strange guys were hanging about outside your house & just pounced on you when you're just getting out of a cab with your shopping) and tried to get into the tradesmen entrance as fast as she could. |