| Queen Archivist 28.02.2011 05:02 |
I have managed to confuse myself, and possibly some of you, and now Gary Taylor too, AND Jim Jenkins, with this Now I'm Here - Top Of The Pops or '45 issue, and that's not easy to do. The three of us agreed that the footage you see at the SiS exhibition is from '45 and not TOTP as first thought, and not a mixture of both, but then, on my other current thread here, somebody produced evidence that seems compelling; of Steve Harley on TOTP, introduced by Dave Lee Travis, the same program that Queen were on, and with the scenery/backdrop appearing to be exactly the same. This seems to prove it's TOTP. GT has seen a photograph in the past, which he believed to be BBC, but the band are dressed differently to that of the SiS version, thus we concluded it must be '45. And then there is a chap in the audience wearing a Christmas hat, and so we thought it to be the 45 program (broadcast on Xmas day), and not the TOTP (broadcast in January). Jim's comment was, "Why would someone be wearing such a hat in January?" This is a good point, BUT, there is always a joker in the pack who has his Xmas hat in his pocket (perhaps from a party 3 weeks earlier) who thinks it funny to put it on long after xmas. So, none of this is conclusive!! We are looking into this today. It surely cannot be that difficult to resolve this for certain once and for all. This has become a genuine conundrum now, but we are trying to get to the bottom of it. As I say, watch this space!!! |
| deleted user 28.02.2011 05:09 |
Questions: Who labelled it TOTP January 1975? Why not upload the WHOLE video so we can all analyze it? LOL! Other ref pics of possible NIH TOTP appearances: link link |
| Queenman!! 28.02.2011 05:41 |
Queen Archivist wrote: I have managed to confuse myself, and possibly some of you, and now Gary Taylor too, AND Jim Jenkins, with this Now I'm Here - Top Of The Pops or '45 issue, and that's not easy to do. The three of us agreed that the footage you see at the SiS exhibition is from '45 and not TOTP as first thought, and not a mixture of both, but then, on my other current thread here, somebody produced evidence that seems compelling; of Steve Harley on TOTP, introduced by Dave Lee Travis, the same program that Queen were on, and with the scenery/backdrop appearing to be exactly the same. This seems to prove it's TOTP. GT has seen a photograph in the past, which he believed to be BBC, but the band are dressed differently to that of the SiS version, thus we concluded it must be '45. And then there is a chap in the audience wearing a Christmas hat, and so we thought it to be the 45 program (broadcast on Xmas day), and not the TOTP (broadcast in January). Jim's comment was, "Why would someone be wearing such a hat in January?" This is a good point, BUT, there is always a joker in the pack who has his Xmas hat in his pocket (perhaps from a party 3 weeks earlier) who thinks it funny to put it on long after xmas. So, none of this is conclusive!! We are looking into this today. It surely cannot be that difficult to resolve this for certain once and for all. This has become a genuine conundrum now, but we are trying to get to the bottom of it. As I say, watch this space!!! =================== GT has seen a photograph in the past, which he believed to be BBC, but the band are dressed differently to that of the SiS version, thus we concluded it must be '45. And then there is a chap in the audience wearing a Christmas hat, and so we thought it to be the 45 program (broadcast on Xmas day), and not the TOTP (broadcast in January). Jim's comment was, "Why would someone be wearing such a hat in January?" This is a good point, BUT, there is always a joker in the pack who has his Xmas hat in his pocket (perhaps from a party 3 weeks earlier) who thinks it funny to put it on long after xmas. So, none of this is conclusive!! ================== Perhaps the show is taped in December and broadcast in January. Sounds too easy right? Publishers are most of the time working with the broadcast date and not with the original tape date. So that may have caused the confusion |
| Planetgurl 28.02.2011 06:57 |
The NIH footage in the exhibition does look like TOTP, set wise... |
| J.C 28.02.2011 07:40 |
link This 'Now I'm Here' clip (link comes from TOTP, 100 per cent!!! It is NOT from the Granada programme, 45. It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd. |
| pittrek 28.02.2011 07:47 |
Hi Saintray, nice to see you here :-) |
| J.C 28.02.2011 11:13 |
pittrek wrote: Hi Saintray, nice to see you here :-) I am not Saintray(if that was for me) Does "Queen Archivist" work for Queen Productions LTD, in the archive? I always thought Queen performed Killer Queen on '45. link 45 (EPISODE 26) MISSING 25th December 1974 Introduced by Kid Jensen & Emperor Rosko Mud - Lonely this Christmas Bay City Rollers Colin Blunstone Ken Boothe Dave Cousins Rick Wakeman Queen - Killer Queen |
| Planetgurl 28.02.2011 12:59 |
J.C wrote: link This 'Now I'm Here' clip (link comes from TOTP, 100 per cent!!! It is NOT from the Granada programme, 45. It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd. Greg, this is the site I was telling Gary about - he asked for the link to it |
| GT 01.03.2011 01:38 |
We do indeed seem to have confused issues here over the footage to 'Now I'm Here'. Although the footage is labelled as from TOTP at the exhibition - which was put together in time for the exhibition and was beyond our control - it could very well be from '45' too. At the moment both sides of the argument are throwing up clues to where this footage originates, but still nothing substantial. Looking at Kurgans photos, I personally have always thought that the first pic is from 'Now I'm Here' on TOTP and that the second, with Freddie in the red jacket, is from the original and first performance of 'Killer Queen' on TOTP - which we still don't seem to have in the archive. By the way THERE IS A FULL VERSION OF THE 'NIH' FOOTAGE AT THE EXHIBITION - YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT! |
| GT 01.03.2011 01:45 |
I always thought Queen performed Killer Queen on '45. link 45 (EPISODE 26) MISSING 25th December 1974 Introduced by Kid Jensen & Emperor Rosko Mud - Lonely this Christmas Bay City Rollers Colin Blunstone Ken Boothe Dave Cousins Rick Wakeman Queen - Killer Queen So this confuses matters again, as this could be a new appearance on '45' of 'KQ' or maybe a mislabelling from the show, and it should of been 'NIH'? DID ANYBODY HERE ATTEND THESE FILMINGS - EITHER THE 'TOTP' OR '45' PERFORMANCES? |
| deleted user 01.03.2011 03:55 |
I thought the Steve Harley footage confimed it was a TOTP set, or did I miss something? |
| Queenman!! 01.03.2011 04:41 |
GT wrote: I always thought Queen performed Killer Queen on '45. link 45 (EPISODE 26) MISSING 25th December 1974 Introduced by Kid Jensen & Emperor Rosko Mud - Lonely this Christmas Bay City Rollers Colin Blunstone Ken Boothe Dave Cousins Rick Wakeman Queen - Killer Queen So this confuses matters again, as this could be a new appearance on '45' of 'KQ' or maybe a mislabelling from the show, and it should of been 'NIH'? DID ANYBODY HERE ATTEND THESE FILMINGS - EITHER THE 'TOTP' OR '45' PERFORMANCES? =========================== I think there is a small chance anybody here had attend one of these shows. Why? Most of the audiences of these kind of shows were not (Queen)fans of a certain band but just ordinary people to fill up a show as they shoot several shows a day with the same public again and again. Also... like Brian or Roger said earlier in a interview; they often took camera shots from about ten or twenty people lined up or standing in a circle to hide the fact that there weren't as much in the audience as looked like on TV |
| SaintsRay 01.03.2011 07:09 |
I am Saintsray - I post on the Missing episodes Forum, and having been alerted to the fact someone thought someone else was me, I thought I'd join the Forum! |
| Mkls 01.03.2011 11:20 |
kurgan100 wrote: Questions: Who labelled it TOTP January 1975? Why not upload the WHOLE video so we can all analyze it? LOL! Other ref pics of possible NIH TOTP appearances: link link In an earlier topic we have already agreed that the red jacket is the Killer Queen TOTP (Nov 21) one !!! I did cross - check with Hello's appearance and everything fit, so we are starting a debate again about something that has been solved. Also I posted a link for the stage setup of the XMAS '45' show with Killer Queen. As someone already posted, the stage setup of this new TOTP NIH matches the TOTP shows from the era (see Steve Harley and other appearances!!) . Hello had only one hit in 1974 "tell him" , with an early November release it fits perfectl with the Nov 21 date . As said before, when the BBC TOTP database was searchable (no longer sadly) , i cross searched and Hello and Queen were only on one show together. link Miklos |
| GT 01.03.2011 11:27 |
Do you have a photo or screenshot of what everything looked like (stage/clothes) on this supposed performance of 'Killer Queen' on '45'? |
| Mkls 01.03.2011 11:35 |
link thats all i know of , the stage setup with Abba. A wall of 9 AC30s, a strange V shaped above head rig and Rogers drums. link maybe this second picture shows more from the stage design, looks like a huge face of somebody singing is painted on the wall as a background copy paste the links pls |
| GT 01.03.2011 12:01 |
Okay we have just had confirmation from Simon Lupton that the NIH footage at the exhibition is TOTP from the January 30, 1975 edition. And to confirm what was also said above: Keith uncovered it when talking to a former BBC Engineer who had taped numerous episodes of TOTP and it was he who also supplied us with the three performances of Seven Seas of Rhye we have. So that is now clear. What about the other photo with FM all in white? |
| Mkls 01.03.2011 12:22 |
link strangely the Wings performance survived from the same show, (21 Nov) in top quality, sometimes in the background you can see the stage design elements from the red jacket picture. Wiped from the BBC archives, but still if it's McCartney, someone was able to come up with a near perfect copy. |
| DGAA 01.03.2011 12:26 |
GT wrote: Okay we have just had confirmation from Simon Lupton that the NIH footage at the exhibition is TOTP from the January 30, 1975 edition. And to confirm what was also said above: Keith uncovered it when talking to a former BBC Engineer who had taped numerous episodes of TOTP and it was he who also supplied us with the three performances of Seven Seas of Rhye we have. So that is now clear. What about the other photo with FM all in white? The photo with Freddie in white is probably from NIH TOTP 16/01/75 TOP OF THE POPS 16/01/75 ® Introduced by Noel Edmonds George McCrae - You can have it all (Studio)Rpt Glitter Band - Goodbye my love (Studio) John Holt - Help me make it through the night (Studio/Pans People) Mac & Katie Kissoon - Sugar candy kisses (Studio) Pilot - January (Studio) Queen - Now I’m here (VT insert) Ralph McTell - Streets of London (Studio) Ringo Starr - Only you (Promo) Stevie Wonder - Boogie on reggae woman (Disc) Wizzard - Are you ready to rock (Studio) Rpt Status Quo - Down down (Disc) and the second (like Miklos said) from Killer Queen 21/11/74 TOP OF THE POPS 21/11/74 (wiped) ® (PVL) Introduced by Noel Edmonds Bachman-Turner Overdrive - You ain’t seen nothin’ yet (Disc) Peppers - Pepper box (Studio) Rpt Paul McCartney & Wings - Junior’s Farm (Studio) Rubettes - Juke box jive (Studio) Queen - Killer Queen (Studio) Alvin Stardust - Tell me why (Studio) Hot Chocolate - Cheri Babe (Studio) Hello - Tell him (Studio) Lulu - The man with the golden gun (Studio) Carl Douglas - Dance the king fu (Studio) Elvis Presley - My boy (Caravel Film) David Essex - Gonna make you a star (Studio) (Joined with Wings) Javells - Goodbye nothing to say (Disc) (Credits) >> Musical Director - Johnny Pearson, Choreographer - Flick Colby, Sound - Richard Chamberlain, Director - Bruce Milliard, Produced by Robin Nash |
| Mkls 01.03.2011 12:26 |
GT wrote: What about the other photo with FM all in white? Must be the first TOTP NIH performance, or the third unknown TOTP Killer Queen . |
| Walter B. 01.03.2011 13:36 |
Is this the 45-version of Now I'm Here, or is it just mislabeled? link |
| DGAA 01.03.2011 13:45 |
No. This is TV report from New York 02-05-76 |
| J.C 01.03.2011 13:46 |
link |
| Walter B. 01.03.2011 13:52 |
OK, thanks. |
| Queen Archivist 01.03.2011 18:36 |
J.C wrote: link This 'Now I'm Here' clip (link comes from TOTP, 100 per cent!!! It is NOT from the Granada programme, 45. It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd. JC... may I ask you please where you got this info.... It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd. I'm intrigued. Thanks |
| Queen Archivist 01.03.2011 18:37 |
Does "Queen Archivist" work for Queen Productions LTD, in the archive? Yes, of course. Where else would I work? |
| guild93 01.03.2011 23:09 |
Mik. wrote: link thats all i know of , the stage setup with Abba. A wall of 9 AC30s, a strange V shaped above head rig and Rogers drums. link maybe this second picture shows more from the stage design, looks like a huge face of somebody singing is painted on the wall as a background copy paste the links pls Perhaps the Abba clip was re-broadcast on a later episode (before the tapes were destroyed) and the later episode survived. Some clips (non-Queen) on Countdown Australia survived that way. Luke |
| J.C 02.03.2011 09:49 |
Queen Archivist wrote: J.C wrote: link This 'Now I'm Here' clip (link comes from TOTP, 100 per cent!!! It is NOT from the Granada programme, 45. It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd. JC... may I ask you please where you got this info.... It was found by Keith Badman and it was he who supplied it to Queen Productions Ltd. I'm intrigued. Thanks You should direct that question to Saintray, I just quoted him through the link supplied. He has recently joined here too, maybe he will see the question and respond. To be honest I always thought Dave Lee Travis donated this footage from his private archive in 2007. So I was way off, it's the full episodes of TOTP I'm interested in. Or, is DLT that former BBC Engineer? |
| fbrjqueen 03.03.2011 19:00 |
link Same set |
| deleted user 04.03.2011 02:46 |
An earlier post by GT now confirms NIH showing at SIS is indeed from TOTP Jan 30th 1975. |
| fbrjqueen 04.03.2011 08:06 |
Definitely :) |
| deleted user 04.03.2011 08:58 |
There are many TOTP collectors out there. I just emailed one at traders den, but alas he does not have copies of the shows from 21/2/74, 21/11/74, 16/1/75, 30/1/75 or 13/2/75 I'm sure they will turn up eventually though! |
| Penetration_Guru 05.03.2011 17:30 |
Having seen the footage this afternoon.... That's not a Christmas hat. It's just a red bobble hat. I realise this doesn't help much. |
| deleted user 06.03.2011 07:40 |
Penetration_Guru wrote: Having seen the footage this afternoon.... That's not a Christmas hat. It's just a red bobble hat. Reply: Looks like a Santa hat: link |
| Penetration_Guru 06.03.2011 14:58 |
From that blurred image I couldn't differentiate between white fur and a knitted white stripe. However, at the time, I saw the latter. Also, since we're getting this anal about a tangent, a santa hat would be pointier. |
| bo rap 02.06.2011 17:37 |
THIS ISNT CLEARLY THE EPISODE I CAN REMBER OF TOP OF THE POPS. UNLESS THEY WENT ON TWICE ?? WHICH I DONT THINK THEY WOULD HAVE. BUT I CAN REMBER THAT BRIAN HAD A BOWLER HAT ON. LIKE ( SLASH!! AND FREDDIE HAD THE LARGEST BOUFFANT.I HAD EVER SEEN.HE MUST OF CAME OUT THE HAIRSALON THAT DAY. |
| GinjaNinja 03.06.2011 04:53 |
Is this picture from the show you remember? link |
| dysan 03.06.2011 07:01 |
Slightly off topic, but could Keith ask the former BBC Engineer who had taped the numerous episodes of TOTP if he has Bowie doing The Jean Genie from December '72? |
| KevoM 03.06.2011 17:47 |
bo rap wrote: "THIS ISNT CLEARLY THE EPISODE I CAN REMBER OF TOP OF THE POPS. UNLESS THEY WENT ON TWICE ?? WHICH I DONT THINK THEY WOULD HAVE. BUT I CAN REMBER THAT BRIAN HAD A BOWLER HAT ON. LIKE ( SLASH!! AND FREDDIE HAD THE LARGEST BOUFFANT.I HAD EVER SEEN.HE MUST OF CAME OUT THE HAIRSALON THAT DAY. " I can't even remember what I had for breakfast last week, let alone what someone was wearing in a 3 minute clip on a TV programme 36 years ago!! |
| kayley10 10.02.2012 12:06 |
Are Queen going to release that fantastic stuff they have or are Queen fans going to have to put up with amateur videos shot off LCD screens? Has anyone heard about any release plans? 'Cause I sure as heck haven't!!! |
| Kevinrm15 10.02.2012 13:07 |
The Seven Seas of Rhye video shown at SIS was released as bonus on the Days of Our Lives DVD. As oppose to the concert footage.... we can all hope. |
| Bad Seed 07.10.2016 08:27 |
Is this photo new to people? I believe it's from Kid Jensen's 45 1974 |
| The Real Wizard 07.10.2016 13:27 |
Bad Seed wrote: Is this photo new to people? I believe it's from Kid Jensen's 45 1974Interesting ! Great find. |
| Bad Seed 07.10.2016 13:37 |
Abba on the same show |
| dysan 09.10.2016 02:44 |
Brilliantly, that Jean Genie footage I asked for magically appeared soon after. Could he ask if he has Bowie doing Starman on ITV's 'Lift Off' |
| cmsdrums 09.10.2016 04:38 |
Bad Seed wrote: Abba on the same showInteresting to see they didn't move, or cover up, Roger's kit during their performance! |
| The Real Wizard 09.10.2016 23:28 |
Bad Seed wrote: Abba on the same showBingo ! Well done. So now we just have to come up with Abba's TOTP dates. link Here it lists them as playing in 74 and 75. How can we find a more concrete list of dates? |
| Barry Durex 10.10.2016 02:25 |
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| Bad Seed 10.10.2016 08:43 |
Plenty info and more pics here about the Abba performance. It's almost certainly 45, though the recording date seems unsure. link |
| DGAA 10.10.2016 09:17 |
link |
| . 24.10.2016 07:51 |
It seems my original post was removed for some reason, so I'll try again. The Queen appearance on '45 was filmed at Granada TV Studios in Manchester on December 19th. It was actually Killer Queen that was performed, not NIH. The 45 minute show aired on ITV at 1.15pm on Christmas Day 1974 and was billed as ''Christmas Rock With 45''. link link Abba also appeared on the same show as their performance was filmed in front of Roger's drum kit and the Vox amps. link I have access to all the episodes of '45 currently in the archives, but sadly the Christmas show is not amongst them. Hopefully a private recording of the TV broadcast exists somewhere. |
| KevoM 27.10.2016 18:02 |
I've recently discovered that the show was recorded in my hometown of Stretford, Manchester. The old venue 'Hardrock' was famous in the early 70s for hosting some big name live performances as well as Granada TV Pop shows of the time. The other was 'Lift Off With Aysha' which I attended on one show on a school outing! It's recently been mentioned on a local nostalgia FB page where i've been making inquiries asking if anyone remembers seeing Queen. No response as yet. I also used to work with someone who was in a 'one hit wonder' Manchester band in the early 70s who is group B&W photo standing near Queen. He remembers meeting the band which must have been on the 45 show. But alas he is not in good health to try and jog his memory about this. |
| . 04.05.2020 16:57 |
The episode featuring their support band Hustler (also broadcast in December 1974) remains preserved in the archives, and it is a 100% live performance. link |
| brians wig 11.05.2020 15:21 |
Gosh. I wish I had Sooty's Christmas Party on video! |
| Bul 12.05.2020 13:34 |
Killer Queen was mimed or live? |
| . 12.05.2020 14:59 |
I believe it was quite possibly a live performance. |
