| The Real Wizard 23.11.2010 10:16 |
Another quiz for those in the know.. link At various points in the montage, such as 1:22, 2:41, 2:52, and 3:00, there is footage from 1977. It's not from Earls Court (at least not the first night), so which concert is it from? Or are they out-takes from the Tie Your Mother Down video shoot? This one puzzles me now as it did when I first saw it 15 years ago. |
| Bad Seed 23.11.2010 11:15 |
Never questioned this before, I always assumed they were from the video shoot. After watching again though Brian is in a different outfit to the official video. Looks like its shot on film rather than video. Wonder if someone will give us an answer? |
| pittrek 23.11.2010 11:21 |
I always thought it's an audience shot 8mm film ? |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 23.11.2010 12:23 |
pittrek wrote: I always thought it's an audience shot 8mm film ? _____________________________________________________________> I second that. There was always a little story (folklore?) and it was discussed here before the story is during the ADATR tour in the USA an audience memeber filmed the almost complete show, but near the end he was captured by the security. Which handed the film over to crew memebers of the band...now the story mentions that Freddie watched the complete film after the show. Rumours say that the taper did make another film a few shows before or after this one. Maybe some one could find the topic it was discussed overhere serveral times... The point is I do believe it is a 8mm amateur shot... Now it is known that Queen used amateur footage before :like the jim jenkins video of fred throwing banana's in the audience during the crazy tour. But I haven;t got any idea which date this could be...search for the topic.... Damn the Munich , I saw it in a second..... wished I read that topic earlier.... |
| Soundfreak 23.11.2010 13:47 |
Quote: There was always a little story (folklore?) and it was discussed here before the story is during the ADATR tour in the USA an audience memeber filmed the almost complete show, but near the end he was captured by the security. Which handed the film over to crew memebers of the band...now the story mentions that Freddie watched the complete film after the show. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< This story sounds very unlikely. It was 1977 and there was no endless video tapes existing. If someone filmed on 8mm, he had to change the cassette after 3 Minutes...it would have cost a little fortune - apart from the problem to get all that stuff into the concert hall. And being captured by the security would no way lead to "Freddie watching the complete film after the show". Impossible - cause the 8mm films needed chemical processing before anyone could see anything... |
| GT 23.11.2010 14:05 |
For all those peeps who think I don't give anything back to this forum and don't answer any questions, apart from the easiest ones, I will share this info, as no one else has offered their opinion. Now I was of the impression that most people knew about this recording and it had been shared between collector's in recent years. I got a copy of this version of 'Tie Your Mother Down' from a keen video footage collector when I worked at the hotel with Peter 'Feebie' Freestone at the end of the '90's. I'm sure there are others out there who have this footage, I wouldn't of been the only one to of traded for this. Although it is of poor quality and has very low sound, it was indeed filmed by an 8mm camera. Unfortunately the film is cut off before the song has finished so unfortunately you don't get the full version. |
| Gregsynth 23.11.2010 14:08 |
Thanks for the information! |
| Jazz 78 23.11.2010 14:12 |
He's correct! Winterland 77. |
| pittrek 23.11.2010 14:40 |
Jazz 78 wrote: He's correct! Winterland 77.I'm afraid to ask, but ... how do you know it ? :-) |
| jamster1111 23.11.2010 15:05 |
The footage appears to be from the Tie Your Mother Down Video Shoot but I'm not entirely sure |
| Bad Seed 23.11.2010 15:07 |
I dont mean to sound ungreatful GT, but the info you have provided is hardly a revelation. Can you not tell us where the footage comes from? Or if any more is available? Oh, and are all 3 nights of Paris '79 multi-cam? If not, are any of the 3 nights multi-cam (full show)? If you are not allowed answer the question can you at least let us know that. Thanks |
| GT 23.11.2010 15:18 |
It's Winterland, San Franciso, USA - 6th March 1977. |
| Bad Seed 23.11.2010 15:23 |
Thanks! Paris? |
| Benn 23.11.2010 15:26 |
GT - truly, we are eternally grateful. You've performed a wonderful service for this forum. Now, whilst you're in the mood......... Why have QPL not approached a certain collector to obtain the Hangman acetate? |
| The Real Wizard 23.11.2010 23:01 |
Fantastic, thanks for the info, Gary. Now this is the kind of correspondence we need to have here .. a new revelation now and then is what makes this a great place to be. Any chance you or someone else could post the song in mpeg format or something of that ilk? It'd be great to see (and hear) the few minutes in their entirety. |
| Planetgurl 24.11.2010 02:20 |
GT wrote: Although it is of poor quality and has very low sound, it was indeed filmed by an 8mm camera. Unfortunately the film is cut off before the song has finished so unfortunately you don't get the full version. In the early '80's I worked in animation and sometimes we shot footage in either 8mm or 16 mm (latter was a Bolex camera) as reference footage - in both those gauges of film you had about 3 minutes of footage you could shoot before you had to reload with new stock. The sound stripe on 8mm stock was pretty poor - 16mm was better. With that stock you had the choice of using 16mm sound magnetic tape which you could sync exactly with the film. Bands sometimes used/played this alongside the corresponding 16mm film. When Advision studios was being cleared out I was there and asked if I wanted the Pink Floyd 'Live at Pompeii' magnetic sound tape to accompany the film. I declined and it was very likely thrown out into a skip. |
| Queenman!! 24.11.2010 04:26 |
Totally agree Sir GH. Thank you Gary |
| people on streets 24.11.2010 11:53 |
GT wrote: For all those peeps who think I don't give anything back to this forum and don't answer any questions, apart from the easiest ones, I will share this info, as no one else has offered their opinion. Now I was of the impression that most people knew about this recording and it had been shared between collector's in recent years. I got a copy of this version of 'Tie Your Mother Down' from a keen video footage collector when I worked at the hotel with Peter 'Feebie' Freestone at the end of the '90's. I'm sure there are others out there who have this footage, I wouldn't of been the only one to of traded for this. Although it is of poor quality and has very low sound, it was indeed filmed by an 8mm camera. Unfortunately the film is cut off before the song has finished so unfortunately you don't get the full version. ______________________________ cool! Nice footage! |
| Marknow 24.11.2010 23:20 |
Somebody, not me, claiming to be the original taper has uploaded a clip to You tube. . |
| pittrek 25.11.2010 01:39 |
Incredible footage, Mark ! Is anybody willing to share / trade it ? |
| Yamaguchi 25.11.2010 06:09 |
Wow, I had never seen this film! Hey boy where do you get it from? |
| dancuny 25.11.2010 08:32 |
WOW!!!! I can't believe all the discussion on this film. My name is Dan Cuny. I was the person that filmed this show in San Francisco. At the time, I worked at a camera store at the time. I was always photographing concerts with my still camera but decided to try to a sound movie for this show. My girlfriend (now wife of almost 35 years) hid the camera in her purse as it was somewhat cumbersome with a mic. on the top of the camera. As always, I got to the front of the stage, and this was the opening song. The difficulty was the films were limited to just 3 minutes. I also have another 3 min. film of the band, but it's not nearly as good as it's somewhat out of focus at times, and many people in front. I believe the show was in March of 1977 with Thin Lizzy. I have many still images from the show as well as a few other Queen shows I attended. If you are interested in more information, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Dan Cuny |
| Hangman_96 25.11.2010 08:47 |
Yes, we're interested :-) |
| Yamaguchi 25.11.2010 08:48 |
Really? If it is true, I want to know more about this story. If you don't mind, I suggest you tell us about what you remember.. BTW, do you possess it now? |
| Marknow 25.11.2010 10:04 |
Welcome to Q.Z Dan. Would LOVE to hear more from you. |
| Luko255 25.11.2010 10:07 |
dancuny wrote: WOW!!!! I can't believe all the discussion on this film. My name is Dan Cuny. I was the person that filmed this show in San Francisco. At the time, I worked at a camera store at the time. I was always photographing concerts with my still camera but decided to try to a sound movie for this show. My girlfriend (now wife of almost 35 years) hid the camera in her purse as it was somewhat cumbersome with a mic. on the top of the camera. As always, I got to the front of the stage, and this was the opening song. The difficulty was the films were limited to just 3 minutes. I also have another 3 min. film of the band, but it's not nearly as good as it's somewhat out of focus at times, and many people in front. I believe the show was in March of 1977 with Thin Lizzy. I have many still images from the show as well as a few other Queen shows I attended. If you are interested in more information, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Dan Cuny ................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Great! Thanks for the story. Can you upload these films and photos here on Queen Zone please? |
| pittrek 25.11.2010 10:10 |
Hey Dan, thanks for the info. Please, could you upload any videos / photos you made ? There will be MANY happy fans here :-) |
| people on streets 25.11.2010 10:13 |
Wow. Great footage. Nice close ups from Freddie smiling and Brian playing guitar in front of you. Thanks a lot for uploading to youtube. |
| Planetgurl 25.11.2010 15:25 |
Wow, Dan - it's fantastic! Never seen this before! That's the boiler suit Peter Hince bought Fred for the Hyde Park show too !! :-) |
| The Real Wizard 25.11.2010 16:13 |
Nice to see you here Dan. Thanks a lot for shooting the footage and making it public ! Hopefully you can share the other three minutes of footage as well. Many people would love to see it, no matter the quality or obstructions. Do you recall Freddie Mercury losing his voice during the show? In a 1981 interview he recalled it like it was yesterday - "In San Francisco I lost my voice and it was awful. My register was limited to virtually a monotone. I still gave it my all but I knew it was a bad performance." Clearly he hadn't lost his voice in the first song, as he sounds great on the video. |
| Queenman!! 26.11.2010 09:02 |
Luke wrote: dancuny wrote: WOW!!!! I can't believe all the discussion on this film. My name is Dan Cuny. I was the person that filmed this show in San Francisco. At the time, I worked at a camera store at the time. I was always photographing concerts with my still camera but decided to try to a sound movie for this show. My girlfriend (now wife of almost 35 years) hid the camera in her purse as it was somewhat cumbersome with a mic. on the top of the camera. As always, I got to the front of the stage, and this was the opening song. The difficulty was the films were limited to just 3 minutes. I also have another 3 min. film of the band, but it's not nearly as good as it's somewhat out of focus at times, and many people in front. I believe the show was in March of 1977 with Thin Lizzy. I have many still images from the show as well as a few other Queen shows I attended. If you are interested in more information, please don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Dan Cuny ................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Great! Thanks for the story. Can you upload these films and photos here on Queen Zone please? =================== And this is the perfect example why other bands have so much more rare footage on the market. Fans and friends and the official record company of the band work together, share their information and thoughs, without MONEY issues taking the lead. |
| Fat Lizzy 26.11.2010 10:08 |
This is the most amazing footage I've seen in... Well... EVER!!! I actually got a bit emotional watching it, this is really, really incredible. Thank you very much Dan! Now I'm gonna watch it again, and then again... And maybe again... |
| The Real Wizard 26.11.2010 10:53 |
Yeah, I have to agree... this is amongst the very best footage of Queen in existence. Certainly the best 8mm we've seen so far.. |
| Marknow 26.11.2010 10:57 |
Dan has posted part 2 on his you tube page. Some very nice moments. |
| dancuny 26.11.2010 11:05 |
WOW!!! You beat me to the punch. I was going to let all know that I posted the second movie, but it's already here. Just as a bonus, here is an image I shot from the show. Kind regards, Dan P.S. You can see more of my concert images either on my facebook page: link Also, my friends and I do a blog:link as well as:link |
| Luko255 26.11.2010 11:16 |
Dan, thanks for the second video. :-) Please, can you upload both videos here in better quality (DVD/AVI/Mpeg files)? |
| Queenman!! 26.11.2010 11:37 |
Sir GH wrote: Yeah, I have to agree... this is amongst the very best footage of Queen in existence. Certainly the best 8mm we've seen so far.. ================ True along with Uniondale 1977 |
| The Real Wizard 26.11.2010 13:55 |
Dan, this is incredible stuff. This is one of the best threads on Queenzone ever. |
| Hangman_96 26.11.2010 15:17 |
Thank you very much for this, Dan! It's fantastic! |
| Tim June 26.11.2010 16:37 |
Wow! Thank you very much for this very interesting stuff!!!! |
| Marknow 26.11.2010 18:19 |
@ Dan Sorry, I got excited ! Thank you so much for sharing your memories and material here, and for making yourself publicly available to fellow fans here. As others have mentioned, best thread ever, well played by all involved. |
| GT 27.11.2010 01:07 |
Glad everybody is happy about this footage and got to see it in it's entirety. A huge thanks to Dan for filming this in 1977 and sharing, it certainly is one of the best. |
| on my way up 27.11.2010 02:15 |
Wow, what incredible footage!! Freddie smiling during Tie your mother down is now probably one of my favourite pieces of footage, certainly because it's such a wonderful close-up:-) |
| YourValentine 27.11.2010 03:27 |
Thanks for your amazing films and pictures, Dan:-) Your footage is incredible - to have such a good camera in the 70s that even recorded sound must have been a privilege. The quality of the second film is just great, as well. Funny that you have Paul Rodgers in your concert photo collection :-) |
| YannickJoker 27.11.2010 03:50 |
Indeed, thank you very much for uploading your footage. One of the best Queen-related fan-items I've ever come across. |
| Rick 27.11.2010 08:38 |
Great footage :-) Thanks Dan. So far, the fans are doing a better job than bloody QP. Can't wait for another GH release. |
| pittrek 27.11.2010 09:02 |
The footage is simply amazing :-) |
| mandocello 27.11.2010 10:41 |
Many thanks - fantastic stuff! Is there any way someone on here can change the audio to the correct pitch? It's sped up a half step on both films - this is very common when 8mm gets transferred. |
| pittrek 27.11.2010 15:27 |
I have ripped the videos from YouTube and corrected their speed. I will play with them more and share them tomorrow at the announce forum |
| Hangman_96 27.11.2010 15:54 |
We're waiting... |
| pittrek 28.11.2010 08:14 |
Here you are : link |