| jamster1111 12.10.2010 22:17 |
Here are things that piss me off the most regarding people's stupidity towards Queen. 1. When people spell his name "Freddy -It's not that hard to spell Freddie 2. When people say that Freddie was gay -He was not gay. He was mostly straight but had a few relationships with men over the years and his last relationship was with a man. I guess the correct and closest term would be "bisexual". 3. When people say have no idea who the hell the other band members are besides Freddie and Brian 4. When people label Freddie as a rock singer 5. When people think that long haired Freddie and moustached Freddie were two different people. |
| Gregsynth 12.10.2010 22:44 |
amusing |
| Gregsynth 12.10.2010 22:45 |
Gregsynth wrote: jamster1111 wrote: Here are things that piss me off the most regarding people's stupidity towards Queen. 1. When people spell his name "Freddy -It's not that hard to spell Freddie 2. When people say that Freddie was gay -He was not gay. He was mostly straight but had a few relationships with men over the years and his last relationship was with a man. I guess the correct and closest term would be "bisexual". 3. When people say have no idea who the hell the other band members are besides Freddie and Brian 4. When people label Freddie as a rock singer 5. When people think that long haired Freddie and moustached Freddie were two different people. ============ 1. Haha. But typing 2 other letters is hard work 2. Bisexual is correct 3. Agree. It's not that hard to remember Roger Deacon and John Taylor 4. What the hell? 5. LOL! Actually you are correct: Freddie wasn't not a rock singer. He was a singer named Freddie (not Freddy), who was bisexual, and had 3 other people in the same group, and had multiple looks. |
| jamster1111 12.10.2010 22:47 |
1. You're a synth 2. You're a synth 3. You're a synth 4. You're a synth 5. You're a synth There. I win again. |
| Gregsynth 12.10.2010 22:48 |
Fine. |
| jamster1111 12.10.2010 23:51 |
Ahhhhh and another argument which I have won. Just gimme the prize already :) |
| Gregsynth 13.10.2010 00:01 |
Don't "drowse" during the making of your video. |
| YourValentine 13.10.2010 02:12 |
That Freddie was gay is not a "misconception" at all - he was gay. Why is it so hard to accept such a simple fact? The fact that he had sexual relationships with women before he came out, does not mean he was "bisexual" . You would not call Elton John or Kenny Everett "bisexual" because they both were married before coming out, would you? In the 1970s it was not so easy for a gay man to accept his sexual orientation or even to live it in public. But today we should not continue to live in denial and we should accept Freddie for what he was: a gay man and great artist. |
| pittrek 13.10.2010 05:18 |
jamster1111 wrote: Here are things that piss me off the most regarding people's stupidity towards Queen. 1. When people spell his name "Freddy -It's not that hard to spell Freddie 2. When people say that Freddie was gay -He was not gay. He was mostly straight but had a few relationships with men over the years and his last relationship was with a man. I guess the correct and closest term would be "bisexual". 3. When people say have no idea who the hell the other band members are besides Freddie and Brian 4. When people label Freddie as a rock singer 5. When people think that long haired Freddie and moustached Freddie were two different people.1. His name was Farrokh 2. He was gay. Having sex with 2 women and a couple of dozens of men doesn't make you straight nor bi. 3. That's normal. People identify EVERY band with their singers. Even YOU are doing it - your title and first sentence say about "Queen" but in point 1 you say "when people spell HIS name Freddy" 4. He was a rock singer. 5. I never heard about a person on this planet who thinks that |
| spandan 13.10.2010 05:48 |
1. Well I don't HATE it when people write "Freddy", although I definitely prefer Freddie. Farookh, Freddie, Freddy, Frederiek, whatever,... 2. I think he WAS gay. He had relationships with women too, but later on he did only men. If he was bi, he'd do both men and women till later his life. I don't know how this is a problem - I mean I'm never going to be gay, but I don't see any problem with anyone who is. 3. Yes, not many people know about all the members of Queen. 4. Freddie Mercury IS a rock singer. Sure he did many other styles but he is definitely a rock singer who also did other styles. 5. Yes, I've met people who think that. And things that bother me are: 1. People only listening to songs like "We Will Rock You" and not giving any other Queen songs a listen. 2. A lot of people seem to have an unreasonable bias against Queen. 3. People thinking Queen are overrated just because some songs are played often. |
| paulosham 13.10.2010 06:19 |
The only thing I hate is when people call A Kind Of Magic , it's a kind of magic. Anyone who thinks that Fred was straight or bisexual is Floating Baby Moses. |
| Sebastian 13.10.2010 06:42 |
I agree with Barb: why is Freddie's homosexuality so hard to accept by people? Does it make him less of a musician? Does it devalue his masterpieces? 'Twas his bloody life and choice, get over it. |
| coops 13.10.2010 08:09 |
So you don't get out much anymore do you? |
| rhyeking 13.10.2010 09:10 |
Most casual fans and general public types I know (which are people who like music, know songs, but don't know much or anything about the actual bands) don't have an issue with Freddie being gay. What is amusing to me how often these people assume the rest of the band was gay as well. I've encountered it a lot: "Queen? They were all gay, right?" I usually just correct them with: "No, the singer was. The rest are married and have kids" and leave it at that (I can't be bothered giving them detailed biographies). It's also amusing when they INSIST that "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" was cover of an Elvis song. Or when they think I'm screwing with them when I tell them that, yes, "Bohemian Rhapsody," "Another One Bites The Dust," "We Will Rock You," "We Are The Champions," and "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" are all by the same band. |
| Holly2003 13.10.2010 11:01 |
Saying Fred was not gay because he once slept with some girls is a bit like saying Kurt Cobain is not dead because he was once alive. |
| Thistle 13.10.2010 11:06 |
rhyeking wrote: It's also amusing when they INSIST that "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" was cover of an Elvis song. BUT IT WAS. I INSIST. ELVIS WROTE IT IN THE BATH OR WHEN HE WAS IN BED OR SOMETHING. GEEZ. Or when they think I'm screwing with them when I tell them that, yes, "Bohemian Rhapsody," "Another One Bites The Dust," "We Will Rock You," "We Are The Champions," and "Crazy Little Thing Called Love" are all by the same band. BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY WAS A ROLF HARRIS SONG, LATER COVERED BY KWEEN (THAT FREDDY BLOKE AND HIS OTHER GAY CHUMS) THEN THE BRAIDS. WE WILL ROCK YOU IS A MUSICAL, BASED ON THE LIFE OF BEN ELTON. IT IS A LONG-RUNNING THING IN LONDON, YOU SHOULD CHECK IT OUT. ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST IS BY HAITI PRESIDENT WYCLEFF JEAN, AND WAS LATER COVERED BY MIAMI PROJECT. WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS WAS ORIGINALLY BY THE FAT DANCER OFF TAKE THAT AND WAS LATER REMASTERED FOR THE X-FACTOR. CRAZY LITTLE THING CALLED LOVE IS BY ELVIS. THAT'S PRESLEY, NOT COSTELLO - HE WAS THE FAT ONE FROM ABBOTT AND COSTELLO. I've used CAPS because I'm shouting at you, Rhyeking. |
| rhyeking 13.10.2010 12:42 |
I've heard crazier theories! Like Marilyn Manson is actually Josh Saviano from The Wonder Years (he's not). Or that the moon landing were faked (they weren't). A personal favourite Queen misconception is that BoRhap is about Freddie facing his imminent death. I chalk this up to confusion resulting from the song's 1991/1992 re-issue, Freddie's death, Waynes's World and the Tribute Concert all happening in a short period. The funniest misconception I ever heard was a guy who insisted that Queen and Queensryche are the same band. I wish I had tape-recorded this guy's elaborate explanation has to how this was possible because it was truly inspired (and complete lunacy!). |
| Gregsynth 13.10.2010 14:28 |
Freddie has said himself that he was bisexual in one quote (and said to Mary that he was "bi"), then he says "gay" in another. The thing with Elton John, was that he first said he was "bi" in 1976, then marries a woman in 1984, then they get divorced because Elton said he was truely happier with a man instead--then he comes out as gay in 1988. With Freddie, he's always said that Mary was his "true love" and that no man could replace her. I personally don't believe he was 100% gay, but rather on the "gay" side of bisexual. Sure he had more male relationships than female relationships, but I think Freddie just wanted love and someone who he could trust (either gender). |
| YannickJoker 13.10.2010 14:37 |
Freddy was very gay. |
| mike hunt 13.10.2010 14:38 |
Gregsynth wrote: Freddie has said himself that he was bisexual in one quote (and said to Mary that he was "bi"), then he says "gay" in another. The thing with Elton John, was that he first said he was "bi" in 1976, then marries a woman in 1984, then they get divorced because Elton said he was truely happier with a man instead--then he comes out as gay in 1988. With Freddie, he's always said that Mary was his "true love" and that no man could replace her. I personally don't believe he was 100% gay, but rather on the "gay" side of bisexual. Sure he had more male relationships than female relationships, but I think Freddie just wanted love and someone who he could trust (either gender). Freddie was gay!.....or else he would have stayed with mary. The love of his life. People close to him even said that he was Gay. Mary and the other woman (forget her name) both said it in the freddie documentry. both obviously a lot closer to the man than we are. He loved mary, but not in a physical way, |
| Gregsynth 13.10.2010 14:38 |
Well he was very happy! :D |
| Gregsynth 13.10.2010 14:42 |
Funny thing, there was a website that called Freddie "pansexual." I couldn't stop laughing. |
| Gregsynth 13.10.2010 14:43 |
I thought Freddie had a physical relationship with Mary? |
| mike hunt 13.10.2010 14:53 |
yes, but how many men were married before they came out?.....you ever hear of a beard?....a coverup?....every gay man had a coverup in his life. you think it's easy telling your friends and family "i'm gay". Even worse if your a rock star and telling the whole world......... Freddie, you're gay! (words of mary austin). |
| Gregsynth 13.10.2010 14:56 |
But Freddie wasn't married! I'll just say Freddie was straight. lol |
| jamster1111 13.10.2010 20:01 |
FREDDIE WAS NOT GAY. WHY CANT YOU JUST ACCEPT IT. There is nothing wrong with being gay but he clearly was not gay. If you have any relations with a women you are not gay. He had several female girlfriends along with a true love who was female. Yes, it just so happened that his last relationship was with a man when he died but that's because his life was cut off and he died so young. Freddie Mercury was definitely not gay. He was a perfect example of a bisexual man. And he was not a rock singer. He was a diverse singer who can sing any genre so a rock singer wouldn't be the most appropriate classification. Yes he could sing rock but he could also sing a lot of other styles like opera, which I absolutely believe he sang better. Freddie was a well rounded singer and you can't put him in a one group, and especially one like rock. |
| rhyeking 13.10.2010 21:37 |
Actually, Jam, I disagree. I have several gay friends who have had relationships, sexual or otherwise, with women before accepting who they really are. It's incredibly common and unfortunate that they feel the pressure of society, family, culture, or whomever to be something they're not...or because they simply do not understand why they think they should feel one thing and be another. Whatever was going on in their life, their actions did NOT reflect who they really are. The world is not so black and white that we can say, under absolutely any and all circumstances, that because a gay man sleeps with a woman, he is disqualified from being gay. You can't stop being gay or start being gay. It's something a person is (or is not) no matter what his or her actions are. As for Freddie, I don't care about his sexuality. It's none of my business. |
| Amazon 14.10.2010 00:56 |
jamster1111 wrote: "FREDDIE WAS NOT GAY. WHY CANT YOU JUST ACCEPT IT." Why does it even matter? You seem to be very intent on not believing him to be gay. Who really cares whether he was gay or not? I have to say, if there is one thing that annoys me, it's when I watch a Queen video on youtube, and half the comments are about Freddie's sexuality. Get over it people! Listen to the genius that was Freddie and stop posting comments on his sexuality which is completely irrelevent!!! Anyway funnilly enough, on a thread about misconceptions, you yourself have a misconception. The truth is sexuality is much more complicated than you believe it to be and it doesn't fit into neat boxes. "There is nothing wrong with being gay but he clearly was not gay. If you have any relations with a women you are not gay." Not true in the slightest. It's a common misperception, but the reality is that sexuality is alot more fluid and personal than that. It's not as simple as 'you sleep with a member of the opposite sex, you are not gay.' You may find this hard to believe, but one can sleep with both men and women and still regard oneself as gay, and one can sleep with one gender and regard oneself as bisexual. Sexuality is not absolute or black + white, and ultimately you are what you define yourself as. I know a married couple, where both the man and the woman consider themselves to be lesbians. I know another couple who emotionally are closer than most married coupls, but never sleep with each other, as they prefer to sleep with members of their own gender. Neither however would describe themselves as bisexual (or gay) as they consider it to be a simplistic and narrow term used by people who feel a need to label everything. Additionally a girl I once dated who has only ever dated women would, if pressed, describe her as bisexual. Those are just three examples of people whose sexualities do not fit into boxes. "He had several female girlfriends along with a true love who was female. Yes, it just so happened that his last relationship was with a man when he died but that's because his life was cut off and he died so young." How do you know? Considering that you have never met him, you come out with some extraordinary statements. Putting aside what sexuality he had, you don't know whether he would have slept with more women had he lived. "Freddie Mercury was definitely not gay. He was a perfect example of a bisexual man." This statement sums it up best how you want to simplify sexuality. There is no perfect example of a bisexual man. There is no perfect example of a straight or gay man, or a straight/gay/bi woman. Sexuality comes in all shapes and sizes, it's personal, no one person is purely representative of a particular sexuality, language is imprecise and people's identites can't often be summed up with simplistic labels. The truth is none of us can know for certain whether Freddie was gay, as I don't believe that he ever actually came out and confirmed it, however based on what his friends and those who knew him best said, we can safely assume that he was gay. "Freddie was a well rounded singer and you can't put him in a one group, and especially one like rock." What's wrong with rock? :D |
| GratefulFan 14.10.2010 01:08 |
A fascinating piece called 'Boys are Better Than Girls' by a gay Canadian writer named Bert Archer appeared in an anthology of essays published under the title 'What I Meant to Say' in the mid-2000's. It convinced me that homosexuality is indeed a choice for some people. It's one those really striking things I'll never forget reading. Many of the other essays in the book were really worthwhile as well. Anyway, the only thing that complicates the relative purity of Freddie's gay orientation is the alleged emotional and ultimately sexual relationship with Barbara Valentin around 1985. Hard to know what to make of that. I think if one is interested in Freddie as a human being, one should be interested in his sexual orientation as it does define to a certain extent a set of experiences and a certain path through life. I don't find contemplating this to be intrusive at all. It's interesting and contributes to a sense of empathy for a person I find compelling and pretty wonderful. |
| Gregsynth 14.10.2010 01:42 |
What confusing me is that Freddie has said that Mary couldn't replace any other lover and refers to her as his "true love." Hell, even he wrote a song (Love Of My Life) about her! Freddie did say he was bisexual in one quote ("I Play on the bisexual thing"), then said to Mary that he was bisexual (but then Mary says she thinks he was gay). There's evidence supporting him being gay, but then there's evidence supporting him being bisexual. All I know, was that he was a legendary musician. |
| plumrach 14.10.2010 02:53 |
Bascally we know Freddie loved mary deeply and vice versa but he also wanted to have the freedom to explore the gay/bisexual side and Mary did the decent thing and stepped aside, some might say she had no choice in the matter but she supported him with what he wanted to do and thats also a big thing to do because she could of just walked away from him and never seen him again but staying and supporting Freddie was probably why Freddie loved her so much because she wasnt judgmental about things and as time went on and Freddies lovers came and went he saw Mary as his one true love Freddie did say once when asked that he had a wider sexual taste than most people and i think thats the truth |
| Bo Rhap 14.10.2010 04:06 |
This might help to dispell some of Freddie's popular misconceptions. Remember this.Fatty at his best link |
| freddiefan91 15.10.2010 03:14 |
Somebody above mentioned the producing of Mr Bad Guy and Freddie not wanting to wait around for Brian this may have no relevance but Rhinhold Mack who produced Mr Bad Guy said in an interview that Freddie was quite laid back about the time he took over the album and that most days work would not get started until the evening time and perhaps thats part of the reason as to why it took a while to make |
| earwig 15.10.2010 13:35 |
I hate the debate over the use of Drum Machines and sequenced Synth Bass. Does it matter? Of course not because the song is the song however you get there. e.g. Breakthru clearly is largely drum machine and sequenced bass. And it's a great song!!! IMHO that is!! Also, I wonder how many people don't realise how much piano/keyboards Brian played? e.g. Piano = Save Me and a lot of Flash soundtrack = synth (Oberheim I believe?) And of course, so many people miss the point that all 4 members wrote hit singles e.g. Bo Rap, We Will Rock You, I Want To Break Free, Radio Ga Ga etc etc |
| Thistle 15.10.2010 20:19 |
GratefulFan wrote: I think if one is interested in Freddie as a human being, one should be interested in his sexual orientation as it does define to a certain extent a set of experiences and a certain path through life. I don't find contemplating this to be intrusive at all. It's interesting and contributes to a sense of empathy for a person I find compelling and pretty wonderful. Beautifully put. |
| jamster1111 16.10.2010 00:27 |
The point is that he did indeed once have a strong sexual relation with Mary Austin and continued having relationships with women (men as well) until his passing. It just so happened his last lover was male though. How could you call the man gay if he had relationships with both genders. |
| mike hunt 16.10.2010 10:55 |
oh boy, these young little boy's can't accept the truth. After Mary only one woman has been known to sleep with freddie and that was B. Valentin and it's known that they would pick up young men together and do the threesome thing. If he was Bi, he leaned a lot more towards Gay. Let's say 95% gay and 5% straight. The woman in the freddie Documenrty said if you went anywhere close to freddie you would realize he was gay. Mary said it. Mick Rock Said it.......Who am my gonna believe, the people who were close to the man, or some little confused kid on Queenzone who wasn't even alive during freddie's lifetime? |
| Amazon 16.10.2010 14:48 |
jamster1111 wrote: "The point is that he did indeed once have a strong sexual relation with Mary Austin and continued having relationships with women (men as well) until his passing. It just so happened his last lover was male though. How could you call the man gay if he had relationships with both genders." Did you not read my post to you? As I noted, sexuality is much more complicated than you believe it to be and it doesn't fit into neat boxes. Ultimately whether one is gay or not comes down to how one identifies oneself. So it does not matter what you think Freddie was, it only matters what he regarded himself as, and the truth is one can sleep with both men and women and still regard oneself as gay, and one can sleep with one gender and regard oneself as bisexual. |
| Gregsynth 16.10.2010 15:41 |
mike hunt wrote: oh boy, these young little boy's can't accept the truth. After Mary only one woman has been known to sleep with freddie and that was B. Valentin and it's known that they would pick up young men together and do the threesome thing. If he was Bi, he leaned a lot more towards Gay. Let's say 95% gay and 5% straight. The woman in the freddie Documenrty said if you went anywhere close to freddie you would realize he was gay. Mary said it. Mick Rock Said it.......Who am my gonna believe, the people who were close to the man, or some little confused kid on Queenzone who wasn't even alive during freddie's lifetime? ===================== Well, that's why I wrote on "lifetimefanofqueen's" thread of "was Freddie gay or bi" that Freddie was Bi with a preference for men (the "gay" side of Bisexuality). If Freddie didn't say the "true love" comments about Mary, I would definitely agree with him being 100% gay. |
| john bodega 17.10.2010 03:40 |
He liked to fuck. End of. |
| Gregsynth 17.10.2010 11:47 |
That's correct Zebonka! |
| Bigfish 20.10.2010 06:08 |
The only pre conception of the band that really bothers me is the common held opinion that Live Aid saved them and turned around their flagging career. They may have hated each other by that point and the success of their wembley set may have energized them and perhaps re united them but people conveniently forget (probably because the whole idea makes good journo copy) that the previous year (84) was massively successful for them 4 or 5 top 20 singles, a big selling album (the works) and a sell-out world tour. It's true that in America they were dead and buried by then but not even Live Aid reversed that trend. It took Fred's death and Wayne's World to put them back in the charts stateside. I'm hoping the upcoming movie doesn't pander to this point of view.... |
| PrimeJiveUSA 20.10.2010 10:29 |
Bigfish, true Queen were "dead and buried" by the time of Live Aid, and it did nothing to rekindle their career here...in fact the album following Live Aid , A Kind Of Magic, was their least successful album of their career in America. What DID start to revive their carreer a bit was the "I Want It All" single...they played the heck out of it on Rock radio (and some Top 40 pop stations in big cities) pushing The Miracle to #24 in the charts and going Gold in the meantime. Innuendo continued this trend going Gold within weeks and lingering in the charts a healthy 30 wks...Queen were gradually rebuilding in America until Freddies' death later that year...sad...just sad. |
| rhyeking 20.10.2010 10:37 |
I think by the '80s, after more than 10 years of climbing the ladder to international success (remember it wasn't until "Crazy Little Thing" and "Dust" that they had US No. 1 hits), an iffy reception to Hot Space and then coming back to success with The Works, that they were ready for a break from each other. I think it was Brian and Roger who at the time talked about needing a break, rather than breaking up. That's why there's the solo explosion in the '80s, because they all wanted to justdo things their way, letting Queen sit on the back burner at times, until something came along that fired them up collectively (Live Aid...Highlander...etc). |
| GratefulFan 20.10.2010 11:51 |
Bigfish wrote: The only pre conception of the band that really bothers me is the common held opinion that Live Aid saved them and turned around their flagging career. They may have hated each other by that point and the success of their wembley set may have energized them and perhaps re united them but people conveniently forget (probably because the whole idea makes good journo copy) that the previous year (84) was massively successful for them 4 or 5 top 20 singles, a big selling album (the works) and a sell-out world tour. It's true that in America they were dead and buried by then but not even Live Aid reversed that trend. It took Fred's death and Wayne's World to put them back in the charts stateside. I'm hoping the upcoming movie doesn't pander to this point of view.... ================================= I have a vague recollection of one of the guys saying something like Live Aid had indicated to them that they were still wanted by the public or something along those lines, which felt to me in context that some doubt or burn out or disillusion had started to creep in despite sales figures. |