QueenZone discussion #1109722

YourValentine wrote: Apparently, the German team had the better Polish players ;)

Fenderek wrote: Bravo Dutch!!! And- as I absolutely hate Italian football (diving, simulating, fouling- and creative players like Del Piero or Cassano on bench... HOME!!!- todays result made me REALLY happy!!! Oranje- new champions? I bloody hope so!!! They were absolutely FANTASTIC- what i really loved was the fact that when they were three nul up- they were trying to score the fourth... way to go!!!!

Marial-B wrote: Today I'll ceebrate for Holland, tomorrow hopefully for Spain :D

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: did anyone else change channel during the romania/ France game? awful,just awful.it was like watching Norwich vs Ipswich.Paul O'Grady on Ch4 has never been watched by me with so much pleasure.

YourValentine wrote: Great performance by the Dutch team, I never expected Italy to lose 0-3. So, Marco Van Basten did everything right, after all. Best wishes to Van Gaal, Johan Cruyff et al - and now shut up.

Gratzi wrote: LOL! Actually I didn't have to change the channel as I fell asleep 5 minutes into the match. But do you know what really bothered me? : 15 000 yellow buggers not knowing the fucking national anthem! And nobody noticed!

The Mir@cle wrote:

YourValentine wrote: Great performance by the Dutch team, I never expected Italy to lose 0-3. So, Marco Van Basten did everything right, after all. Best wishes to Van Gaal, Johan Cruyff et al - and now shut up.

Cruijff has actually been the advisor of Van Basten, till they fought a few months ago. But that fight was about the youth academy of Ajax, not about the Dutch national team.

Gratzi wrote: LOL! Actually I didn't have to change the channel as I fell asleep 5 minutes into the match. But do you know what really bothered me? : 15 000 yellow buggers not knowing the fucking national anthem! And nobody noticed!

I don't know what's worse. Falling asleep after 5 minutes, or not knowing the national anthem. xD Anyway, we Dutch are good with our national anthem. So join our country if that is what bugs you. ;-)

The Mir@cle wrote: I don't know what's worse. Falling asleep after 5 minutes, or not knowing the national anthem. xD Anyway, we Dutch are good with our national anthem. So join our country if that is what bugs you. ;-)

YourValentine wrote: @ The Miracle: German media reported that Cruyff dissed Van Basten in public for "betraying" the Dutch tactical football principles(4-3-3)- and that was only a few days ago. Cruyff said that 2 defensive Midfielders were useless because they take away "the room for the defenders" and Van Basten should play the traditional 4-3-3. I have a lot of respect for Cruyff but he seems to be a bit old fashioned and should shut up or support the team coach.

YourValentine wrote: Why the Nistelrooy goal counted: ............. The rule is not so well known, I think most of us just learnt about it when Nistelrooy scored.

Rick wrote:

Marial-B wrote: Today I'll ceebrate for Holland, tomorrow hopefully for Spain :D

Naah, Russia _0_ Guus Hiddink :D

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: ^ yeah,the pundits on the BBC are saying the same thing,still a daft rule though ;-] offside part 2: now,ive looked closely at Spains 4th goal today and i cant see anyone lying in a heap behind the goal so how did that one stand? ;-] [im turning into Alan Hansen in my old age]

Marial-B wrote:

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: ^ yeah,the pundits on the BBC are saying the same thing,still a daft rule though ;-] offside part 2: now,ive looked closely at Spains 4th goal today and i cant see anyone lying in a heap behind the goal so how did that one stand? ;-] [im turning into Alan Hansen in my old age]

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Spain won, that's enough xD

YourValentine wrote: Greece vs Sweden - I want the 90 minutes of wasted lifetime back!

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: goodbye Switzerland,thanks for ummmm nothing much really. perhaps the footie team should take up water polo instead as they seemed to play better when there is a swimming pool on the pitch? so one host already out,Austria to follow later today?

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: i actually thought it was a penalty, perhaps all the other refs werent brave enough to give a penalty for all the blatant pulling of the shirts in the other matches? if they [the refs] all gave penalties for it the defenders would soon stop doing it and UEFA have told the refs to penalise anyone pulling on the shirts in the box. well done Howard Webb for not 'bottling it'.

The Mir@cle wrote:

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: i actually thought it was a penalty, perhaps all the other refs werent brave enough to give a penalty for all the blatant pulling of the shirts in the other matches? if they [the refs] all gave penalties for it the defenders would soon stop doing it and UEFA have told the refs to penalise anyone pulling on the shirts in the box. well done Howard Webb for not 'bottling it'.

Well, shall we take a look at the other coners of that match and see how many penalties should have been given then? This happens with every free kick/corner in every match.

YourValentine wrote: Congratulations, Ms Rebel - great match against the German team. Now the next round is far away for our team while Croatia already qualified!

Fenderek wrote: You CANNOT start enforcing a certain rule in the 12th game of the tournament, in the 92nd minute of the game. For 12 games it was alright- suddenly, hosts are losing, it's injury time and SUDDENLY this a call for penalty... call me cynical, but... I'm not buying it... If Austria scored 3 goals in first 20 minutes I wouldn't have said a word- it would have been fair. But I can bet you in next 12 games there will be no penalties for anything like that. Bullshit... And Saganowski and Smolarek were kicked and hauled on all ocasions- there was NOTHING, no reaction from referee... And just as Lewandowski was pulling a shirt of an Austrian player, the other Austrian player was pulling the shirt of Jacek Bak... Only during that free kick he could have called 6 fouls, going both ways. Somehow, when the hosts were playing and it was 92 minute of the game- it goes Austria's way... It's not about losing in general. It's about losing to a guy wearing blue not red- that hurts... It wouldn't be good for the tournament if both hosts were eliminated after two games, would it? * rolls eyes * And I tell you one thing. It will be really difficult for him to even think about refereeing next Euros... PS And I don't know... when I found out that it's going to be Englishman refereeing this game (that was two days before)- I got warried... call me weird- I KNEW there will be some controversy...

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: his linesman got the Polish goal wrong as that was 2 yards offside but not many Poles are mentioning this are they? but i bet there will be more penalties and free kicks awarded by the Refs from now on [and rightly so].i shall watch todays games with a keen eye for it.

The Mir@cle wrote: Still 4-1 was a bit too much. France had chances also, we were lucky and well.. I'm off for a few days now, busy making a statue for Van de Sar. ;-)

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: the Dutch: all end in tears.good now, will fade quickly after the group stages.suffering from England syndrome [build up hopes then fail when it matters]

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: but i bet there will be more penalties and free kicks awarded by the Refs from now on [and rightly so].

Fenderek wrote:

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: but i bet there will be more penalties and free kicks awarded by the Refs from now on [and rightly so].

Where are they? ;) And- to change the subject slightly- weren't refrees supposte to cut down on diving??? I am yet to see any yellow card given for this... pathetic...

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: esp with the 'diving' or to give it its UEFA term 'simulation'.the BBC even said last night that the refs had been advised NOT to book players for it.

Fenderek wrote: 4 posts above. Didn't I say Turkey will win? What a game!!! And what a mistake by Cech- what the hell was that??? I guess he won't forget that night... And Nihat- his second goal, the winning one... stunning...

The Mir@cle wrote:

Fenderek wrote: 4 posts above. Didn't I say Turkey will win? What a game!!! And what a mistake by Cech- what the hell was that??? I guess he won't forget that night... And Nihat- his second goal, the winning one... stunning...

I thought that Dick Advocaat (3-2 for Czech Rep. against Holland, after 2-0 lead of Holland in 2004) showed Bruckner what not to do.... Never get your attackers out for defenders. That's asking for problems.

YourValentine wrote: Turkey vs Czech Republic Pure drama,incredible ups and downs for the Czech team. If they had managed one lucky shoot after the Turkish keeper was sent off, they would have reached a penalty shooting with no Turkish keeper!

YourValentine wrote: "are you gonna be jumping for joy or head in hands tonight against Austria? theres a big row in both press i understand?" If the German team loses tonight the whole nation will sink into depression:-) Only once the Austrian team won in an important match - Cordoba 1978 during the World Championship. The "Cordoba disaster" is still an issue and each German at least once has heard about it when visiting Austria :) About the press war: that's just tabloids, I think you have seen similar stuff in the English tabloids, the Polish press was worse (but the worst Polish tabloid is owned by a German publisher, so there). But it's true that there is a certain hostility between Germans and Austrians which I personally do not understand. Probably an inferiority complex on the Austrian side and arrogance on the German side. Germany is a football nation and it would be regarded as a shame to lose against the small neighbours who are a ski nation but not so great in football. link This is the original commentary of the "legendary Austrian victory" in Cordoba - Edi Finger said "Tor, Tor, Tor.. I werd narrisch, Krankl schiesst ein - 3-2 für Österreich" (goal, goal etc - I go crazy, Krankl scores, 3:2 for Austria). It's one of the coolest and funniest football commentaries ever.

Mr. Scully wrote: Well first of all, we did not switch attackers for defenders.

YourValentine wrote: I remember Cordoba, too - and Gijon 82.. that was really much worse than just losing a match. I don't see any "shame" in losing a football match but obvious cheating like in Gijon 82 is shameful. Today Austria will win because if they lose nobody can really blame them and if they win it will be a historical win in their own country. On the other hand the Germans won't be the heroes if they win because it's simply expected while they will be humiliated big time if they lose. I agree (again) with Tom - this European cup has amazing matches, much better than the World Cup. Even Portugal lost last night, that was not to be expected. The World Champion could easily get out tonight in the first round. All the alleged favourites are fighting for survival. Each game is totally open.

The Mir@cle wrote:

Mr. Scully wrote: Well first of all, we did not switch attackers for defenders.

Well, they subsituted Kadlec for Pla Il, Vlcek for Sionko... those were devensive subsitutes.

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: Maggie: do you get all the pre match analysis with Gary Lineker and Alan Hansen and all his buddies? for all those that dont watch the BBC,they have 8 [EIGHT] pundits for every match. theres 2 doing commentary,gary lineker,alan hansen,lee dixon,alan shearer and martin o'neill in the studio plus ray stubbs and gordon [cannae understand a word he says] strachan on the pitch side! and they wonder where the licence fee money goes...

The Mir@cle wrote: I don't think Holland won't do that a lot of an effort to play a draw, if Romania takes a 1-0 lead. Still they're not giving the match away they said.

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: meanwhile, we have the last 2 group games tonight and Polands fave ref is in charge of one of them :-]

YourValentine wrote: "Then Spain in the semi-finals. Holland will kick their sun-tanted asses." It will be Italy in the semi finals :)

Lisser wrote: Go America? ;)

MasterHistoryGirl wrote:

Lisser wrote: Go America? ;)

SHHHH!!!! We don't HAVE soccer in the US, remember? Do you want them to find out about our secret team?

Rick wrote: Then Spain in the semi-finals. Holland will kick their sun-tanted asses.

***Marial-B*** wrote:

Rick wrote: Then Spain in the semi-finals. Holland will kick their sun-tanted asses.

If we can beat Italy... believe me. And the tan... only in the coast and the islands :P. BTW: Valeron and Hugo Silva are from Arguineguin, I should take Tijn the next time there :).

Rick wrote: Read something terrible this morning: The daughter of Boulahrouz, who was born too early, died today. Really sad news this :( I think this news made great impact on the Dutch team. I think Heitinga will replace him in the forthcoming match. Words can't describe this... I'm shocked to be honest!

Lisser wrote: Go America? ;)

The Mir@cle wrote:

***Marial-B*** wrote: BTW: Valeron and Hugo Silva are from Arguineguin, I should take Tijn the next time there :).

Valewho and Huge what? xD

@ndy38 wrote: Don't under-estimate Croatia or Russia! Or Turkey for that matter, i really think any of the 7 remaining teams can win it somehow. Forza Azzurri!

YourValentine wrote: That was a nightmare for the Croatian team. They were rightfully annoyed that the referee let the game continue over a minute after the 2 minutes overtime for no reason at all. On the other hand the Croatians failed to win the match in the regular 90 minutes, they were the better team and just did not score.

The Mir@cle wrote: What about the red card yesterday, which the referee took back after the linesman saying that the ball was out... which it wasn't.

Yara wrote: Yeah...it was awkard (lol) but I think it was fair.

Anyway, the Dutch played very well throughout....

I was the only was in the house trying to argue that the Russians had played very well and beautifully. Hahah.

@ndy38 wrote: And now only 5 remain! If Donadoni starts Ambrosini tonight i will not be happy. And if Materazzi plays he WILL get sent off. Forza Azzurri!

Fenderek wrote: Can ANYONE play more boring football than Italy??? Go home, please, and save us this miserable spectacle... 10 men behind ball, the only attacking option seems to be Toni...

Woodie wrote: That's just cause Andrea Pirlo is not playing. And uhmm THEIR matches were the only ones I didn't find boring.......... D: But then again, I have no interest in football.

AC wrote:

Woodie wrote: That's just cause Andrea Pirlo is not playing. And uhmm THEIR matches were the only ones I didn't find boring.......... D: But then again, I have no interest in football.

Woodis surely have good taste and doesn't hide behind prejudices.

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: ^ i agree with you about the refs being from 'neutral' countries in the tournament now. how are we gonna survive for so many days now without our Euro's fix? italy were awful though...

The Mir@cle wrote:

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: ^ i agree with you about the refs being from 'neutral' countries in the tournament now. how are we gonna survive for so many days now without our Euro's fix? italy were awful though...

Wimbeldon? ;-)

Fenderek wrote: The God DOES exist, Italy are out. Man, they were AWFUL... Prejudice? Di Natalie, in extra time. Looses the ball, there is a contact but no foul. He goes to the ground and OUT of the field. Spanish go with a counter attack. he GOES BACK to the field, to lay down there so the referee stops the game. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. Just to see him miss the penalty probably meant more to me even if the Poland were to win the whole tournament. That was just so typical for Italian football... and to keep a player of such class and such form like Del Piero on the bench for most of the game. Pathetic again... Italian had 10 men behind ball almost the entire game. They were awful, hopeless and killed all the joy one could have from watching football. But they are going home. As I said- I'm almost as happy as if Poland won the tournament. The football won, thank god for that...!!!

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:

The Mir@cle wrote:

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: ^ i agree with you about the refs being from 'neutral' countries in the tournament now. how are we gonna survive for so many days now without our Euro's fix? italy were awful though...

Wimbeldon? ;-)

;-] aye,what was her name again? its a good job no Cornish women play tennis,you would here them grunting and screaming in Amsterdam.come to think of it they probably have been heard in Amsterdam... i think we had better get back to the football before the pair of us get a 'thick ear' from someone :-]

AC wrote: For the last 15 minutes of the match the italian coach took out a midfielder (Aquilani) for a scorer (Del Piero). Are you telling me that Del Piero is more defensive than Aquilani? Are you telling me that Toni, Del Piero, Cassano and Pirlo are all defensive players?

AC wrote: Are you telling me that during the match with Romania the referee didn't deny a regular goal scored by Toni?

Fenderek wrote: If Italy played nice, attacking football I would love them. Simple as that. And you DO have players who could play this kind of football. But somehow more often than not the coaches choose not to. Tell me why...

YourValentine wrote: I hope you enjoy Turkey vs Germany, too :)

YourValentine wrote: At home they will raise merry hell and probably fire the coach and ask for Lippi to return, though:)

YourValentine wrote: We are still waiting for the "revenge" - next time :)

AC wrote: Thanks for explaining your point of view Fenderek, it is much more understandable now. Your words were much more negative at first and it seemed to me like you depicted Italy and Italian players as "the root of all evil". :-) We still disagree, but not as much as you may think (and I thought at the beginning). Regarding Del Piero, he played since the first minute against Romania and didn't do anything good, as during the 30 minutes he played against Netherlands. Unluckily for him, he never did anything important when playing for Italy. I guess this is just another wasted occasion for him. Regarding Di Natale, I don't remember the episode you mentioned; if what you said is true, it's really shameful.

YourValentine wrote: At home they will raise merry hell and probably fire the coach and ask for Lippi to return, though:)

You can be sure of that!

YourValentine wrote: We are still waiting for the "revenge" - next time :)

... says the girl who said "I hope Spain will kick Italy out!"

@ndy38 wrote: Don't know who was watching the UK coverage for the game, but i found it extremely annoying. All the pundits were basically labeling Germany as 'lucky' and 'an average side.' How can a team be lucky if they score 3 goals in a match? It's madness! I think it was Alan Shearer who said Germany for the past few years have had a side with no special qualities. This is the team that got to the semi finals two years ago and have now reached the final. Why do tv pundits get paid so much for talking absolutle nonsense?!

@ndy38 wrote: Don't know who was watching the UK coverage for the game, but i found it extremely annoying. All the pundits were basically labeling Germany as 'lucky' and 'an average side.' How can a team be lucky if they score 3 goals in a match? It's madness! I think it was Alan Shearer who said Germany for the past few years have had a side with no special qualities. This is the team that got to the semi finals two years ago and have now reached the final. Why do tv pundits get paid so much for talking absolutle nonsense?!

The Mir@cle wrote: Well, Germany was a bit lucky... Lineker was right ;-) But Turkey has been extremely lucky before. So I guess it was justice.

@ndy38 wrote: I'm so so sorry Mari, please forgive me, honestly! I'll be supporting Germany in the final :)

NickName wrote: "Jeszcze Polska nie zginela"... :-))) BTW... it's no disgrace to loose against the upcoming european champion Germany!

***Marial-B*** wrote:

@ndy38 wrote: I'm so so sorry Mari, please forgive me, honestly! I'll be supporting Germany in the final :)

No one's perfect Andy :P.

@ndy38 wrote:

***Marial-B*** wrote:

@ndy38 wrote: I'm so so sorry Mari, please forgive me, honestly! I'll be supporting Germany in the final :)

No one's perfect Andy :P.

I know, i shall try harder!

***Marial-B*** wrote: ESPAÑA CAMPEONA EUROPEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry Barb, but we are the best ;)!!!!!!! QUE VIVA ESPAÑA CARAJO!!!!!!!!

Fenderek wrote: The best team won. Simple as that. Not only they were the best. They were well above the rest. Evenm if they had tougher games, the games when not everything went their way- they won them. And when things WENT their way- they made something really special out of it. 1:0 is a score that REALLY flatters Germany. Because they were completely outplayed. They had no clue what was going on for most of the game. One have to admire mental strength that this VERY avarage team shown by getting to that final. It is truly remarkable. But they were bad- the defence was awful, and for the second time they played the team who could expose it. And Spain did just that. I was so happy after that whistle, for a moment I felt like Spanish. They finally won sth, after 44 years. What they need to do now is to firmly establish themselves on top and take it further and not make us wait ANOTHER 40 odd years for a repeat. Very talented and YOUNG team. And could Iniesta be the player of the tournament? Or Xavi? Or maybe Casillas?

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: im gonna try and quote John Motson on BBC1 at the end of the match as Spain collected the trophy.. its magic in Madrid,beautiful in Barcelona,victorious in Valencia and lovely in Liverpool :-] Liverpool 1 Germany 0 viva Torres!

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote: sorry Yana,but i said it on the last page [10] that Senna was the player of the tournament and the way he played tonight confirmed that and im totally unbiased with that opinion,he was awesome!

Fenderek wrote: I would go for Iniesta. Flair, influence, vision... complete attacking midfielder. It's extremely easy to pick the tournament best 11. Spanish team... ;) OK- maybe one or two players from other teams could make it, but... Yep, Senna was awesome as a holding player. And he was soooo unlucky when he went forward, I really wanted him to score than... Torres has shown exactly what he did in the Premiership. That he is the best striker in the world. Biggest disappointment? Cristiano Ronaldo. He thought that everybody is going to be afraid of his goal tally for Man U... Yet again, when it really mattered he did not deliver. 75 million Realk wants to give? If I was Fergusson I'd take it and buy 2 awesome players and have even stronger team next season... The worst team? That's a tie between Greece and Poland. Both incredibly poor. Best goal? Either Nihat against Czechs (the second one) or Ibrahimovic against... Greece I think it was... Best save? Boruc in the Poland Austria game. 3 in a row.

Ms. Rebel wrote: If I was Spanish I would get so terribly drunk.

Mr.Jingles wrote: The only thing that sucked about Spain was putting that fuckin' talentless prick Enrique Iglesias to sing during the closing ceremony and giving a horrible performance. Thankfully that was not game related and he wasn't a bad omen for the team.

JoxerTheDeityPirate wrote:

Ms. Rebel wrote: If I was Spanish I would get so terribly drunk.

it hasnt stopped you before lol ;-]

Mr.Jingles wrote: The only thing that sucked about Spain was putting that fuckin' talentless prick Enrique Iglesias to sing during the closing ceremony and giving a horrible performance. Thankfully that was not game related and he wasn't a bad omen for the team.

Yara wrote:

***Marial-B*** wrote: ESPAÑA CAMPEONA EUROPEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry Barb, but we are the best ;)!!!!!!! QUE VIVA ESPAÑA CARAJO!!!!!!!!

You guys deserved! What a beautiful playing, geez! Very solid, steady and fast squad. Congratulations! Oh, but was the "CARAJO!!!!!!!!" really necessary? Hahahaha. Just kidding, I know it's good to give vent to our emotions. So, you were the best throughout...carajo!!!!