| christeb 06.01.2008 08:46 |
Hi, Can we please place all unwanted rants about Bri and Roger selling out, Q+PR dancing on Freddies grave, that the name is generally crap, whatever in here. Then the other threads that refer to current tours and so forth will be clean so I don't have to wade through torrents of rants. If someonoe wants to discuss Bri "announcing" a new tour, please only post in those forums if you have something positive to contribute. All else goes in here. Some of us are just pleased that we will get to see Bri and Roger grace a stage this year, that they're devoting time to their fans, its not as if they need the money! Thanks for your time |
| Queengirl47 06.01.2008 10:13 |
GREAT post! I agree 110%! great words too.... I am just so lucky to see this again -- I never got to see Queen back in the day etc.... sorry that they are doing what they love best. some people need to get over it. They have done so much and worked their asses off to just not call it Queen. can go on n on, but I have no time, so all the naysayers, get over it, KEEP ROCKIN GUYS............. QUEEN AND PAUL ! |
| Tero 06.01.2008 10:22 |
christeb wrote: Hi, Can we please place all unwanted rants about Bri and Roger selling out, Q+PR dancing on Freddies grave, that the name is generally crap, whatever in here. Then the other threads that refer to current tours and so forth will be clean so I don't have to wade through torrents of rants. If someonoe wants to discuss Bri "announcing" a new tour, please only post in those forums if you have something positive to contribute. All else goes in here. Some of us are just pleased that we will get to see Bri and Roger grace a stage this year, that they're devoting time to their fans, its not as if they need the money! Thanks for your timeSure. Right after the Queen+Paul Rodgers concert topics are moved into the correct forum... You do know there is a separate subforum for them, do you? I'll make you a deal right here and right now. If the Q+PR concert topics are moved into their correct place, you will never ever see me moan about the band (Q+PR) again. Is that fair enough for you? |
| brENsKi 06.01.2008 10:22 |
christeb wrote: Hi, Can we please place all unwanted rants about Bri and Roger selling out, Q+PR dancing on Freddies grave, that the name is generally crap, whatever in here. Some of us are just pleased that we will get to see Bri and Roger grace a stage this year, that they're devoting time to their fans, its not as if they need the money! Thanks for your timedevoting time to their fans? don't need the money? you are incredibly naive...there is NO way at all that they are doing it for altruistic reasons...if they were then why would they contsantly re-release "old releases" under the banner of "new improved"... |
| christeb 06.01.2008 10:29 |
That's it, let it ALL out...maybe I am naive, but I stand by my comments. Re: not posting in the other forum, yes, that did cross my mind, by this post was more directed towards the comments that are in this section already Re: Brian's recent interview, and as they have not announced anything officially I think it can be logically be included under the "Serious Discussion" banner |
| brENsKi 06.01.2008 10:46 |
i'm not criticising you. i am criticising the notion that in this day and age the "something for the fans" motive prevails. It's a rubbish concept. Band like Queen, Kiss, Led Zep etc do what they do to jog the public memory to get the back catalogue selling again. They are not interested in the well-being of the fans. they are interested in the one motivation of all businesses - filthy lucre. Ironic that i used a "sex pistols phrase" when they are also doing a 30th anniverary tour this year. If the rock gods don't do this from time to time, we forget about them andthey are finished. Right now, Queen have a moderate market worldwide. Nowhere near as big as at any time since Bo Rhap hit the world in 75. But some sales are better than none. And i think that for two aging rock gods Roger and Brian will be quite happy to play down the pecking order to the new rock mega gods - U2, Killers etc. |
| Tero 06.01.2008 10:46 |
christeb wrote: Re: not posting in the other forum, yes, that did cross my mind, by this post was more directed towards the comments that are in this section already Re: Brian's recent interview, and as they have not announced anything officially I think it can be logically be included under the "Serious Discussion" bannerAlright then, as you wish... Don't expect me to stick to this topic whenever I have legitimate complaints about "Queen". ;) |
| christeb 06.01.2008 10:54 |
Brenski, I suppose the way I look at it is that I'm essentially just happy to get the opportunity to see Bri perform on a stage, where he belongs. I caught their concert in 2005 and it was amazing, so to be able to experience again is something I will cherish. Of course there are possibly other motives working here, but they do not really concern me, if I want the music I'll buy it regardless |
| father to my son 06.01.2008 12:23 |
basically there are 2 sorts of queen fans , them who wont accept qpr , and them who cherish seeing bri and rog in concert . i know which i prefer :) |
| brENsKi 06.01.2008 12:52 |
father to my son wrote: basically there are 2 sorts of queen fans , them who wont accept qpr , and them who cherish seeing bri and rog in concert . i know which i prefer :)there is a third kind of queen fan. - the kind that appreciates anything good that the band produce. I see the current sound as a retrograde step. the smile stuff was not everyone's cup of tea first time around, let alone now! when queen produce something good, then this discerning (non-sychophantic stepford) type of queen fan will be happy- ....i belong to this third group of fan christeb: Brenski, I suppose the way I look at it is that I'm essentially just happy to get the opportunity to see Bri perform on a stage, where he belongs. I caught their concert in 2005 and it was amazing, so to be able to experience again is something I will cherish. Of course there are possibly other motives working here, but they do not really concern me, if I want the music I'll buy it regardlessthat's your taste and opinion, and you are entitled to it. and i to mine. but, and here's the rub....if it was just about "seeing them live and being happy about it" (motives dont concern you) then why mention the "Brian doing something for the fans" thing? don't try and make out he's some kind of benevolent soul looking after us - he isn't...he's a f**king money grubber...like every other business person on this planet...they're in it for money...not love |
| Knute 06.01.2008 13:05 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: i'm not criticising you. i am criticising the notion that in this day and age the "something for the fans" motive prevails. It's a rubbish concept. Band like Queen, Kiss, Led Zep etc do what they do to jog the public memory to get the back catalogue selling again. They are not interested in the well-being of the fans. they are interested in the one motivation of all businesses - filthy lucre. Ironic that i used a "sex pistols phrase" when they are also doing a 30th anniverary tour this year. If the rock gods don't do this from time to time, we forget about them andthey are finished. Right now, Queen have a moderate market worldwide. Nowhere near as big as at any time since Bo Rhap hit the world in 75. But some sales are better than none. And i think that for two aging rock gods Roger and Brian will be quite happy to play down the pecking order to the new rock mega gods - U2, Killers etc.I don't really buy that at all. For one simple reason. That before they were mega-millionaires, they were musicians who loved playing music. If every dime was taken away from them, they would still play music. |
| rockthecosmos2008 06.01.2008 14:08 |
christeb wrote: Hi, Can we please place all unwanted rants about Bri and Roger selling out, Q+PR dancing on Freddies grave, that the name is generally crap, whatever in here. Then the other threads that refer to current tours and so forth will be clean so I don't have to wade through torrents of rants. If someonoe wants to discuss Bri "announcing" a new tour, please only post in those forums if you have something positive to contribute. All else goes in here. Some of us are just pleased that we will get to see Bri and Roger grace a stage this year, that they're devoting time to their fans, its not as if they need the money! Thanks for your timeWell said, i totally agree! |
| QueenMercury46 06.01.2008 16:59 |
I agree, people should be thankful that their favorite band is at least doing something to keep themselves going, even if they have a different singer, rather than just complaining about them ruining Freddie's name or whatever. Personally I think Freddie would be proud. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 06.01.2008 20:20 |
And that's the whole point of things QueenMercury46. You "think" Freddie would be proud. Any proof of this? Maybe I "think" Freddie is spinning so fast in his grave he's getting motion sickness over a Queen without him. Nobody knows, and that includes Brian and Roger. No two people are alike, yet it's funny whenever an athlete dies, the team or league always plays, and says "Numbnuts loved soccer. He would have wanted us to play today." Surely, in the history of mankind, there's been one soul who's said "instead of playing today, take the time to enjoy life, tell your family that you love them, and do something to make the world a better place in my memory." But that never happens, which is my long winded way of saying, no matter what is being spun about PR being Freddie's favourite singer, Freddie was a very, very proud man, and MAY be offended that they'd even consider recording as Queen without his involvement. And Knute, if it's true that these mega-millionaires who love playing music were playing solely for the music, they wouldn't need a name. They'd be QPR, or Numbnuts loves Soccer and record an album of downloadable tunes to be released on the net. But their egos need gratification, and they feel better having the Queen safety net to give them a million album sales whether the album is good or bad. |
| steven 35638 06.01.2008 23:09 |
It's not surprising at all to find Queen fans debating the moral values on which Roger Taylor and Brian May stand upon. However, I must say that the amount of childish behavior is at its climax on Queenzone. Quite sad indeed. While we could all simply relish in the music, we sit at our computers contemplating the legitimacy of our idols and whether or not Freddie Mercury would have approved of this or that. Putting that aside, however, I suppose I'll say a few words upon the matter at hand since I haven't in a while. First of all, prior to Queen the band members were struggling musicians. They adored music, dare I say. Once they hit the big time they became rich rockers with loads of fame. However, once Freddie Mercury died in 1991 I think it hit Brian May, Roger Taylor, and John Deacon quite hard. I'm not talking about losing a friend, but making a transition from the rock group Queen to three musicians without the missing factor which was and still remains to be Freddie Mercury. Let's face it, without him Queen may never have become as famous as they did. Also, I'd like to mention Queen weren't finished. If Freddie Mercury hadn't of died so early the band might have continued to write more music and continued to have toured the world. Queen is a band who unfortunatly died before its time. Now, the band is trying to do what they used to do, which is writing music and performing music. It's what they do. It's what they love. Why can't some of you fans get this? Yes, they could go under a different name, but how many people would take notice? Put it this way, how many people noticed their solo records and tours? Not enough. Therefore, why would they go under a different band name? Queen is it. There is no reason for them to go under a different title. For anybody questioning whether or not they're doing this soley for the money think again. I've never considered the band to be a bunch of greedy sons of bitches. For one, the freshly released single is a heartfelt attempt at inspiring others to take notice of a dreadful disease. It's charity for Christ's sake! By the way, when they release the new album of course they're going to get money, they worked for it! Slaving in a recording studio is no picnic I assure you. Yeah, it's fun, but at the end of the day it can be quite stressful as well. Oh, and by the way, the album would have to cost something since Hollywood Records and EMI wouldn't just give away the music for free. My point is that the band aren't necessarily greedy. They're just doing what they love. So there you have it. That's my two cents. |
| Tero 06.01.2008 23:25 |
<font color=FF0033 face=symbol>Freddie wrote: While we could all simply relish in the music,That would be SO much easier if the music happened to be something that personally excited me, instead of just relishing it because it's a new "Queen" track. ;) |
| vadenuez 07.01.2008 01:56 |
Agreed. Back in the days when Queen was a young and fresh band without a defined style, they liked to experiment a lot (Brian could bring a whole Jazz band out of a single guitar, damn it!). Now it's just about saying "let's bang the drums really hard and play a guitar solo like we did in The Miracle / Innuendo years and let's tell everyone we're back with our trademark sound". Nothing new, nothing bold. Just covering grounds they already traveled. The Innuendo album was the perfect example that they could be a really tight and strong band without having to revisit their old sound or studio tricks. |
| steven 35638 07.01.2008 10:05 |
vadenuez wrote: Now it's just about saying "let's bang the drums really hard and play a guitar solo like we did in The Miracle / Innuendo years and let's tell everyone we're back with our trademark sound". Nothing new, nothing bold. Just covering grounds they already traveled.Nothing against you, of course, but I doubt that's what it's all about. How could you say such a thing after listening to Say It's Not True? The song itself contains several elements of the Queen sound, not including the heavy part at the end. The lyrics and sentimental value hark back to songs like Is This The World We Created. The song has meaning and depth that should not be taken out of consideration. But I'm sure you're aware of that. Besides, nobody should be judging the outcome of the new album soley based upon one single. This is indeed a very bold move for Queen right now, and also for Paul Rodgers. First of all, going back in the studio and touring with a new frontman is bold enough as it is. They probably had no idea how their fans would react, and unsurprisingly it has resulted in an uproar among a great number of fans. Second of all, as mentioned before, we have not heard all of their music from the new album. We've only heard one song, and there's a probability it won't show up on the new album. Don't be so quick to judge. Third of all, even if they stick to the style they left off with in 1991, it will still be a very bold move. Yes, it's covering old ground, but that is the Queen sound and the sound they ended with when their dear friend Freddie Mercury past away. It's a more mature and sophisticated sound when compared to songs like Crazy Little Thing Called Love and Now I'm Here. Besides, would we really want another Bohemian Rhapsody or Crazy Little Thing Called Love? Or another We Will Rock You or Radio Ga Ga? I wouldn't. They can either stick with the Innuendo/Made In Heaven sound, or move on like you would suggest. Either way it's good music. |
| saltnvinegar 07.01.2008 10:13 |
father to my son wrote: basically there are 2 sorts of queen fans , them who wont accept qpr , and them who cherish seeing bri and rog in concert . i know which i prefer :)Why pigeonhole the fans? I much prefer to take it song by song these days. For example during the 2005/6 tour, I liked the reworking of 'Hammer to Fall' but didn't enjoy Paul's input on Bohemian Rhapsody. Surely it's a touch narrow-minded to put yourself on either side of the coin and stick there. They'll have good days, they'll have bad. It doesn't make you less of a fan, just a discerning one. |
| Micrówave 07.01.2008 11:20 |
I missed Paul dancing on Freddie's grave, but it would be an excellent Stage prop.
Keep on selling out Brian & Roger!!!
Ramirez wrote: This is indeed a very bold move for Queen right now, and also for Paul Rodgers. First of all, going back in the studio and touring with a new frontman is bold enough as it is.Yes, incredibly bold. They've only waited 16 years to record a new album, 21 years to tour. Freddie would have waited at least 27 years and had a bad back. Then MAYBE he would have toured again. MAYBE. |
| brENsKi 08.01.2008 12:50 |
can i add my twopenneth - before i get misunderstood and misconstrued all over again... sorry for shouting the next bit...but it's for the benefit of those who misquote or misunderstand my posts.. "I COMPLETE UPHOLD BRIAN AND ROGER'S RIGHT TO CARRY ON WORKING USING THE QUEEN NAME - IT'S THEIR BAND AND THEY WERE 50% OF QUEEN SO THEY HAVE EXECUTIVE RIGHT TO CARRY ON...MUCH MORESO THAN MANY INCARNATIONS OF DEEP PURPLE... WHAT I AM AGAINST IS THE RELEASING AND REHASHING OF SAD TIRED OLD SHIT UNDER THE BANNER OF "NEW STUFF" when they do release something good or something i like i will buy it...til then i won't. it's my opinion...but there has been nothing since innuendo worth listening to...MIH was tired old reworkings and filler...and finishing of unfinished songs, NOBY was a glorious sentiment (to Princess Di) but tired and dirge-like...and everything since has been utter crap. so when something good comes along i will applaude them...i just don't see my hands making any noise anytime soon! |
| PieterMC 08.01.2008 12:59 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: NOBY was a glorious sentiment (to Princess Di) but tired and dirge-like...But it was written about Freddie, not Princess Di. |
| Micrówave 08.01.2008 13:29 |
Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records. Song released in 1997. She died in 1997. Freddie died in 1991. Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different. Perhaps they didn't tell John and that's why he got mad and never recorded with them again! |
| PieterMC 08.01.2008 13:44 |
Micrówave wrote: Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records. Song released in 1997. She died in 1997. Freddie died in 1991. Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different. Perhaps they didn't tell John and that's why he got mad and never recorded with them again!"It's written about Freddie, really, but I guess, if you write a song, songs have always more meanings than the first one you come across. The song in my mind started about 2 years ago. I just couldn't find all the words." Brian May 11-03-1997 - Queen Rocks Press Conference (Cologne, Germany) ----- "When I wrote ‘No-One But You’, it fitted into my original concept of what my album was supposed to be - I was going to make it about the heroes of my childhood; you know, do a Buddy Holly track, something by Hendrix, all kinds of things. Anyway, it was written as a sort of tribute to Freddie and before long, I became aware I was trying to make it sound very Queen-like. There are some musical and verbal quotes in there and I thought, if it’s going to sound like Queen, maybe it ought to be Queen. I sent the track to Roger and he loved it and said we had to do it." Brian May 07-01-1998 - Guitarist Magazine ----- However you'll tell me that Brian is talking crap, and that you know more about the song than Brian. |
| bitesthedust 08.01.2008 14:42 |
With reference to No-One But You, the song was originally going to be part of Brian May's "Heroes" covers album - which never materialised. If they wanted to do a song in tribute to Freddie I don't believe Brian/Roger would have waited six years to do so, regardless of time spent on solo albums/tours (not mention grief and upset over Freddie's death). Going back to the topic, I don't support any form of Queen + (I make an exception for a few of the songs played at the Tribute show, although even the best covers do not match up to Queen's original). Brian & Roger are not Queen. They were 50% of Queen. Simple as that. I agree with Brenski's comments about waiting for something worthwhile to come along...however I must disagree with his opinion that nothing has been worthwhile since Innuendo; A Winter's Tale was the sole highlight of MIH, but the release of On Fire Live At The Bowl in 2004 was the best thing to come along since Freddie's death. |
| christeb 10.01.2008 14:38 |
Just an additional point which I think backed up my original argument. From Bri's SB today, does everyone agree that he purchased the LSC and is doing all of this extracurrical work to benefit from it financially? Obviously it's a work of passion, and that what was I was trying to get across initially, that they're touring for similar reasons. I think it illustrates it very well, thanks Bri! |
| Boy Thomas Raker 10.01.2008 17:07 |
I think they're two different things chrsiteb. If he's in a business venture, he should try to make money, not lose it. But when it comes to QP, if the London Stereophonic adopts their business practices of re-packaging and re-selling the same cards over and over again, I don't think they'll last long. The demand for T. R. Williams trading cards and books isn't quite the same as demand for Queen product. |
| Sebastian 11.01.2008 07:02 |
Micrówave wrote: Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records. Song released in 1997. She died in 1997. Freddie died in 1991. Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it) Bri started 'Brighton Rock' in 1973, but it was released in 1974. Bri started 'Back to the Light' in 1988, but it was released in 1992. Bri started 'The Dark' in 1980, but it was released in 1992. Bri started 'Tie Your Mother Down' while he was making his PhD, but it was released in 1976. Bri started 'White Queen' at college (late 60's), but it was released in 1974. So... those things can happen. |
| PieterMC 11.01.2008 08:22 |
Sebastian wrote:Perhaps Brian can see into the future... Yes that's it...Micrówave wrote: Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records. Song released in 1997. She died in 1997. Freddie died in 1991. Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it) Oh and Bohemian Rhapsody is about Freddie having AIDS. |
| Raf 11.01.2008 10:41 |
PieterMC wrote:Does it actually take any kind of special power to figure out that someone will die someday in the future?Sebastian wrote:Perhaps Brian can see into the future... Yes that's it...Micrówave wrote: Sorry Pieter, Brenski is right. The Freddie reference was to sell records. Song released in 1997. She died in 1997. Freddie died in 1991. Brian doesn't take six years to write a song. Release solo material? That's different.Song demo dating from 1994 (three years before Princess Di kicked it) |
| mike hunt 21.01.2008 04:53 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: can i add my twopenneth - before i get misunderstood and misconstrued all over again... sorry for shouting the next bit...but it's for the benefit of those who misquote or misunderstand my posts.. "I COMPLETE UPHOLD BRIAN AND ROGER'S RIGHT TO CARRY ON WORKING USING THE QUEEN NAME - IT'S THEIR BAND AND THEY WERE 50% OF QUEEN SO THEY HAVE EXECUTIVE RIGHT TO CARRY ON...MUCH MORESO THAN MANY INCARNATIONS OF DEEP PURPLE... WHAT I AM AGAINST IS THE RELEASING AND REHASHING OF SAD TIRED OLD SHIT UNDER THE BANNER OF "NEW STUFF" when they do release something good or something i like i will buy it...til then i won't. it's my opinion...but there has been nothing since innuendo worth listening to...MIH was tired old reworkings and filler...and finishing of unfinished songs, NOBY was a glorious sentiment (to Princess Di) but tired and dirge-like...and everything since has been utter crap. so when something good comes along i will applaude them...i just don't see my hands making any noise anytime soon!The song "no one but you" was written about freddie, but with princess Di's passing it added more meaning. I think brian stating it was partially written for princess Di was for money. He thought the mention of her name would sell more copies. |