QueenZone discussion #1040638

Mr.Jingles wrote: Hudgens had e-mailed photos to the "Drake and Josh" actor a couple of years ago, Hudgens, 18,

Micrówave wrote: Two things.

Mr.Jingles wrote: Hudgens had e-mailed photos to the "Drake and Josh" actor a couple of years ago, Hudgens, 18,

So you've provided a link to photos of a nude 16 year old girl. Be watching for you and Chris Hanson on a Dateline special soon...

Mr.Jingles wrote: ...show her smiling as she posed naked and in underwear...

<font color=crimson>Rockit?<h6>xo wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: ...show her smiling as she posed naked and in underwear...

How can she be naked and in underwear Lol

Sherwood Forest wrote: alright who's got the link i want to see these picturess im a minor its not illegal for meee

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Sherwood Forest wrote: alright who's got the link i want to see these picturess im a minor its not illegal for meee

Here's a picture of Vanessa's unshaved vagina: link

Sherwood Forest wrote: alright who's got the link i want to see these picturess im a minor its not illegal for meee

<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: She really needs to shave her snizz.

<b><font color=0066FF>Horsinho wrote: Meh, I'd do her even if she had a moustache. =D

Ducksoup wrote: Take a look and see why.... link

Zebonka12 wrote: HUH??? That's not all that hairy.... that's quite a nice amount of hair if you ask me. Jesus Christ, guys who like it totally shaved are basically pederasts.

Micrówave wrote: More photos are out there. Doubt she'll be around for HSM3. One has to wonder about the legal ramifications of all this. Apparently the photos were sent back and forth. Why do these celebs do this? A Mistake? Misguided youth? Personally, I think this will guaranty that she'll have a more lucrative career than the rest of her co-stars.

Ducksoup wrote:

Zebonka12 wrote: HUH??? That's not all that hairy.... that's quite a nice amount of hair if you ask me. Jesus Christ, guys who like it totally shaved are basically pederasts.

I don't agree with you. At all.

<b><font color=0066FF>Horsinho wrote: Meh, I'd do her even if she had a moustache. =D

<b><font color=0066FF>Horsinho wrote: No, seriously. I'd do things to her that she could never imagine no matter how many porn movies she had watched. Several times.

wstüssyb wrote: Well....she is over 18...I'd tap that ass.

<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote:

<b><font color=0066FF>Horsinho wrote: No, seriously. I'd do things to her that she could never imagine no matter how many porn movies she had watched. Several times.

wstüssyb wrote: Well....she is over 18...I'd tap that ass.

Do we really need these kind of comments? :o

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote:

<b><font color=0066FF>Horsinho wrote: No, seriously. I'd do things to her that she could never imagine no matter how many porn movies she had watched. Several times.

wstüssyb wrote: Well....she is over 18...I'd tap that ass.

Do we really need these kind of comments? :o

Absolutely! William is one of the ventricles of this forum. And Horsinho... well, he keeps things interesting from time to time!

LozlanTheMage wrote: I'm pretty damn tired of men bragging about 'I would do this or that to her' etc. Sex ain't something a man *does* to a woman...unless he's raping her, which I more or less doubt any of us would openly advocate. Sex, under such circumstances as it is pleasurable to a decent person, involves the man and the woman both (we're talking hetero in this case), each seeing to the other's pleasure. Sue me, I'm a feminist. As for such comments being ribald and 'joking'...it's quite simple to joke sans supporting the oppression of the opposite sex.

LozlanTheMage wrote: I'm pretty damn tired of men bragging about 'I would do this or that to her' etc. Sex ain't something a man *does* to a woman...unless he's raping her, which I more or less doubt any of us would openly advocate. Sex, under such circumstances as it is pleasurable to a decent person, involves the man and the woman both (we're talking hetero in this case), each seeing to the other's pleasure. Sue me, I'm a feminist. As for such comments being ribald and 'joking'...it's quite simple to joke sans supporting the oppression of the opposite sex.

josedequeso wrote: But it is a fact of life that women are treated as objects and as such most men have been indoctrinated into believing that this type of behavior is OK.

<b><font color=0066FF>Horsinho wrote: No, I've been thinking that for long before I saw those pics xD

<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote:

josedequeso wrote: But it is a fact of life that women are treated as objects and as such most men have been indoctrinated into believing that this type of behavior is OK.

That is, unfortunately, true for some cases. However, I also believe that the way a man treats a woman can depend on the way the woman acts and treats herself. If the lady acts like a slut and sleeps around and dresses/looks like a hooker... (This comes from my very little experience of watching Jerry Springer on no school-days) Then the man will most likely treat her like a trashy, slutty hooker and look at her only as a "Hot 'n' freaky piece of ass"... But if the woman shows self respect by not dressing like a ho (And I don't mean she has to wear a muumuu every fucking day, just dress with a little more class.. :O) or by not doing things that convey that sort of image, then I think a (normal) man will see that and treat her like an actual person and not just an object that you can bang every night after you come home from work. (Did that even make sense?... :O)

LozlanTheMage wrote: Ah. So women are only deserving of respect if they dress 'tastefully.' Otherwise they are obviously base creatures without an once of humanity. This mindset seeks to control women by placing them on a figurative pillar, which we then tell women they should aspire to. By elevating them, we isolate them.

LozlanTheMage wrote: This is a common trope amongst those with little to no awareness of the extremely sexist society in which we live. Have you ever heard of a concept called the virgin/whore dichotomy? It's a fabulous means by which society demands that women both act like decent 'good girls' and simultanously like 'sluts' when it suits mens' purposes. Then men can satisfy their own egos and sexual appetites (god knows we don't critique men for sleeping around) and then decry their partners as whores.

LozlanTheMage wrote: Why should having multiple sexual partners be in any way significant in your judging of a human being? You will find that the human is an incredibly complex creature crafted of innumerable motivations and drives. To generalize and blithely state that all women who sleep around are dirty and whorish is an abominable generalization that deprives women of their agency to act as they please.

LozlanTheMage wrote:
Oh, by the way, we live in a patriarchal society that, through various subtle means, has completely encouraged and fed the 'trashy' style of female garb. Don't doubt for a moment that women who dress in a fashion you find inappropriate do so specifically because they are being informed by their culture, which was male forged and is male driven. We live in a world where women regularly vomit up their meals or simply cease to eat

QueenMercury46 wrote:

<b><font color=0066FF>Horsinho wrote: No, I've been thinking that for long before I saw those pics xD

Don't you have a girlfriend?

LozlanTheMage wrote:

<font color=teal>Cookies?<h6>A Scientist wrote:

josedequeso wrote: But it is a fact of life that women are treated as objects and as such most men have been indoctrinated into believing that this type of behavior is OK.

That is, unfortunately, true for some cases. However, I also believe that the way a man treats a woman can depend on the way the woman acts and treats herself. If the lady acts like a slut and sleeps around and dresses/looks like a hooker... (This comes from my very little experience of watching Jerry Springer on no school-days) Then the man will most likely treat her like a trashy, slutty hooker and look at her only as a "Hot 'n' freaky piece of ass"... But if the woman shows self respect by not dressing like a ho (And I don't mean she has to wear a muumuu every fucking day, just dress with a little more class.. :O) or by not doing things that convey that sort of image, then I think a (normal) man will see that and treat her like an actual person and not just an object that you can bang every night after you come home from work. (Did that even make sense?... :O)

Ah. So women are only deserving of respect if they dress 'tastefully.' Otherwise they are obviously base creatures without an once of humanity. This mindset seeks to control women by placing them on a figurative pillar, which we then tell women they should aspire to. By elevating them, we isolate them.
This is a common trope amongst those with little to no awareness of the extremely sexist society in which we live. Have you ever heard of a concept called the virgin/whore dichotomy? It's a fabulous means by which society demands that women both act like decent 'good girls' and simultanously like 'sluts' when it suits mens' purposes. Then men can satisfy their own egos and sexual appetites (god knows we don't critique men for sleeping around) and then decry their partners as whores.
Why should having multiple sexual partners be in any way significant in your judging of a human being? You will find that the human is an incredibly complex creature crafted of innumerable motivations and drives. To generalize and blithely state that all women who sleep around are dirty and whorish is an abominable generalization that deprives women of their agency to act as they please.
Oh, by the way, we live in a patriarchal society that, through various subtle means, has completely encouraged and fed the 'trashy' style of female garb. Don't doubt for a moment that women who dress in a fashion you find inappropriate do so specifically because they are being informed by their culture, which was male forged and is male driven. We live in a world where women regularly vomit up their meals or simply cease to eat in order to emulate airbrushed models on magazine covers. This is a travesty of the gravest sort.
Meanwhile, men snap their suspenders and say, "Golly gee, I like ladies fine, but they shouldn't dress like no slut, no sir." Excuse me...are innumerable women debasing you as a human being based on your clothing choice? I think not. Thing is: you're not a woman. You have no inkling what it means to be woman. I myself am male, and have found my road to feminism long, arduous and occasionally confusing. If you need an example of your own cultural conditioning, just glance at your above post. You associate trashy women with Jerry Springer, a cultural connection crafted by a male society. By watching the show, you then learn to generalize about all people who resemble the incredible minorty of polygamists, sheep fuckers and incestuous so-and-so's.
I am not saying that certain clothing looks terrible on people. However, I am claiming that it is a person's right to choose how they adorn their body, and mistreating another human being because you disapprove of their dres

LozlanTheMage wrote: Music Man - In the 'interest of objectivity' you claim to serve, would you be at all willing to critique the opposing opinion as well? It's all very well to claim that you support an objective stance, but the proof is in the pudding. I will write up a more detailed response to your bits later. Touche and such. But I would appreciate (purely in the interest of objectivity) that you extended your reasoned criticisms to both sides of the playing field. Oh, and I never try to 'sound smart. I promise, in those rare instances where I come across as a vaguely intelligent individual, it's usual a typo. Cheerio.