| vlatko 21.05.2007 09:23 |
Hi. Don't get me wrong, FLAC purists, but someone asked for mp3 version of this gig, so here it is, the first concert of The Works Tour. But if someone could share it in FLAC, I would be grateful. link Quality VG, only 128kbps :{ but it's the only version I have. Setlist: 1. Machines(Intro) 2. Tear It Up 3. Tie Your Mother Down 4. Under Pressure 5. Somebody To Love 6. Killer Queen 7. Seven Seas Of Rhye 8. Keep Yourself Alive 9. Liar 10. It's A Hard Life - Get Down Make Love/Gimme Some Lovin' (Vocal Improvisation) 11. Staying Power 12. Dragon Attack 13. Now I'm Here 14. Is This The World We Created? 15. Love Of My Life 16. Stone Cold Crazy 17. Great King Rat 18. Guitar Solo(Intro) 19. Keyboard Solo 20. Guitar Solo 21. Brighton Rock(Reprise) 22. Radio Ga Ga 23. Another One Bites The Dust 24. Crazy Little Thing Called Love 25. Bohemian Rhapsody 26. Hammer To Fall 27. I Want To Break Free 28. Sheer Heart Attack 29. We Will Rock You 30. We Are The Champions 31. God Save The Queen |
| Mr. Bulsara 21.05.2007 09:48 |
Thank you very much. At last someone share a concert in mp3 format. You really great. thank you. |
| rhapsody8 21.05.2007 10:46 |
Many thanks..... |
| Hippolyte 22.05.2007 08:36 |
Thanks for sharing. :) |
| 928 22.05.2007 11:10 |
vlatko wrote: Hi. Don't get me wrong, FLAC purists, but someone asked for mp3 version of this gig, so here it is. But if someone could share it in FLAC, I would be gratefulSo you ignore it Then you request the show in lossless format. Now the mp3 lovers can get both,1 lossless and 1 that they can convert to mp3 FOR PERSONAL USE after they've downloaded the lossless. Oh,there's a bonus ....you don't get the tag of a trade pool polluter. Especially after you then ask for a lossless version after fooking up the trade circles....because you have even if you think you havn't. Think a bit next time |
| Dreamweaver 22.05.2007 12:48 |
Thank you very much, vlatko! Does anybody have the other show that Queen did in Brussels in 1984 (Sept. 21st)? A double LP called "King's Favourite" was made from that show. Could anybody upload it here @ QZ, please? Thank you so very much in advance! Cheers ;-) |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 13:02 |
Mr. Bulsara wrote: At last someone share a concert in mp3 format.Maybe there's a good reason why there are less and less mp3 shares these days... |
| on my way up 22.05.2007 13:55 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:A very good reason indeed! And many posts about it aswell...Mr. Bulsara wrote: At last someone share a concert in mp3 format.Maybe there's a good reason why there are less and less mp3 shares these days... Please people, check out the shows in FLAC and you can REALLY start collecting shows. Having shows is so much more fun when you have the best version and there are a lot of best version flacs on queenzone. Enjoy them! |
| Charlie Gimbert 22.05.2007 15:51 |
"So you ignore it Then you request the show in lossless format. Now the mp3 lovers can get both,1 lossless and 1 that they can convert to mp3 FOR PERSONAL USE after they've downloaded the lossless. Oh,there's a bonus ....you don't get the tag of a trade pool polluter. Especially after you then ask for a lossless version after fooking up the trade circles....because you have even if you think you havn't. Think a bit next time" Stick FLAC in your ass. |
| 928 22.05.2007 16:56 |
Charlie Gimbert wrote: Stick FLAC in your ass. By saying that ,you are actually saying stick lossless recordings. Flac is just a lossless format,as is Shn for another example. The point is that they are lossless compression formats and do not damage the original recording. You don't want the best recordings possible of a show then?... now have a coke,a smile and shut the fook up. Tosser |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 17:58 |
928 wrote: You don't want the best recordings possible of a show then?...Why, when we can download mp3s so much faster..!? ;) |
| vlatko 22.05.2007 18:38 |
928: I understand everything you wrote and I really prefer lossless and very much respect all fans who share FLAC. But I also realise that I have a lot of concerts in mp3, all received for free by sharing, and I remember how happy I was when I got a show I wanted to hear for many years. So I think it’d be selfish not to share a gig I got for free when it requires so little to do. And I haven’t heard about such QZ rule that mp3 sharing is forbidden. I know at least one person who asked for it is extremely happy now and that makes me feel really good. I’ve never shared or asked for any official stuff and haven’t made any profit from the material that was shared, even I haven’t converted any lossless show to mp3 for personal use, so now you call me a trade polluter? Can you guarantee that FLAC would not be converted into mp3 and then spread or sold as lossless? If FLAC can be converted to mp3 that means it has the same potential to be threat to pollute the market. That’s very sad but you can't deny it. By the way, the second day after uploading 46 downloads so far - quite a big number. If the most Queenzoners hate mp3 nobody forces them to download it (four reactions with thank you and five with insults is a different story…). I think that’s a proof that there is still interest in mp3, especially when a lossless version isn’t available. After the request appeared, I was the only one who reacted. That could mean no-one is willing to share his lossless or mp3 version or nobody has got this show. Of course I wouldn’t share it if any better version appeared. But I wanted to give back something to the community that gave me a lot of great music. Or ignoring legal requests of fans is more suitable behaviour than sharing on the site established for sharing? Was my intention so bad? |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 19:14 |
vlatko wrote: By the way, the second day after uploading 46 downloads so far - quite a big number. If the most Queenzoners hate mp3 nobody forces them to download it (four reactions with thank you and five with insults is a different story…). I think that’s a proof that there is still interest in mp3, especially when a lossless version isn’t available.That's just because most people are too lazy to find the lossless version themselves. When I started collecting concerts about 8 years ago, very few people had high speed connections, so trades were done by email and the post. These days, people are so amazed when certain concerts are shared here, but really, all one has to do is send a few emails out to get them. There is a huge list of collectors at queenconcerts.com, and anyone can get started there. |
| Saint Jiub 22.05.2007 23:22 |
Using chewing tobacco causes lung cancer only if a person BURNS chewing tobacco AND then intentionally or unintentionally SHARES the secondhand smoke. Sharing lossy recordings causes trading pool pollution only if a person CONVERTS lossy to lossless AND then intentionally or unintentionally SHARES the fake "lossless" recordings. Evidently it is convenient and fun to insult mp3 sharers rather than blame the producers of fake lossy recordings for polluting the trade pool. I guess I will never use cold medicine when suffering nasal congestion, because it will give me the reputation as being a crystal meth abuser. Why can't these conservative "do-gooders" like Jerry "GH" Falwell or Tammy "928" Baker stay out of our "bedrooms"? |
| The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 23:28 |
Bless you. |
| Saint Jiub 22.05.2007 23:37 |
It's a miracle. You cured me of the evils of leprosy. |
| The Real Wizard 23.05.2007 00:50 |
And I did it without the miracle water. I'm getting good! |
| 928 23.05.2007 02:32 |
vlatko wrote: Can you guarantee that FLAC would not be converted into mp3 and then spread or sold as lossless? If FLAC can be converted to mp3 that means it has the same potential to be threat to pollute the market. That’s very sad but you can't deny it.No i cant guarantee it, but logic will say that if you already had a lossless version you wouldnt go thru the hassle of converting to mp3(lossy) and then back to lossless(but now lossless of the lossy), to make a copy of the disc. You would literally just copy the disc and not say "i'd better make it lossy 1st".Be real So i doubt your same potential theory. What you have done will pollute.People will put it onto disc and steal from another trader. Yes i said steal....sounds harsh?I dont think so Somewhere ,and i can guarantee this, someone will be trading this lossy version for a different show that is lossless. Who gets the better deal?Who stole a show? Yes i know FA & SA can be done to check if its lossless,but trading is done a lot on trust because you think you are dealing with another fan or at least someone who is looking for the best quality of a show & not just so they can put a line thru that date of their list. That is pool pollution. Hard as it may sound,yes ignore the mp3 requests.It stops crap and enables all to have the best available when requested properly. Unfortunatly its the "cruel to be kind" motto :Food for thought: Things change and rare stuff gets released when people can see that respect is being paid to the integrity of the music/video. 2 years ago to today has been Mp3 to lossless and hard to find stuff has slowly been released to test the water.It was respected and more came. You do yourself no favours ...but it is admirable of your intentions to share back. |
| tomwaits 23.05.2007 03:04 |
Well hello all! Jeeez..it seems like I started quite a commotion by requesting this Queen-gig! I advise Sir GH and 928 to have a read (if they haven't already) of the original request i posted as a total newbie to the queenzone...I was looking for Queen's works gigs in august and september of '84 in Brussels, when browsing thru various posts out i found a post from '06 that had a dead link to an *.mp3 download of the 08/84 concert on rapidshare and i knew that vlatko had an *.mp3 version from that post. I'm not ashamed to say that this is the 1st time i've heard of the flac format. I understand it's a superior format to -.mp3 but i think it is very unfair to give Vlatko a hard time for making this Queen-fan extremey happy by sharing this ultimate souvenir of that phenomenal gig that i was at some 23 years ago. Sir GH and 828 might have these recordings as well but chose to 'ignore it' but will hapily take the time to bag a fellow Queen-fan for making someone really happy! I just don't get it! Anywayz, u know guys, i was 14 when i went to those Brussels' gigs and it wasn't real 'cool' to be a Queen fan in those days..people and friends constantly gave me shit for being a Queen fan...and when i went to those gigs it was like havin' a nite with 9.000 of my best friends, i watch the 'hammer to fall' video (which was shot that night) and recognize the faces of those people i hung out with that nite, patiently waiting front of stage for hours (there was a serious delay) for our favourite band to come on and blow our minds! The atmosphere and spirit of togetherness was as awesome as the gig itself, and it was brilliant to share this nite with so many likeminded people and i guess that's what being a Queen fan is all about, sharing our passion for this phenomenal band with others. Vlatko obviously understood how badly i wanted to hear it all over again...once again, u rock Vlatko! Thanx! Keep yourselves alive! Franky Ps. I would still love to have the sep 21st 84 gig as well...and yes!, Flac would be fine!! Just let me know how to convert it to mp3!! haha |
| koldqueen123 23.05.2007 13:35 |
Thanks for the upload!! What a great show, its the best I've heard him soud on the Works Europe tour, sounds more like the World hot space tour! |
| 928 23.05.2007 19:27 |
tomwaits wrote: Well hello all! Jeeez..it seems like I started quite a commotion by requesting this Queen-gig! I advise Sir GH and 928 to have a read (if they haven't already) of the original request i posted as a total newbie to the queenzone...I was looking for Queen's works gigs in august and september of '84 in Brussels, when browsing thru various posts out i found a post from '06 that had a dead link to an *.mp3 download of the 08/84 concert on rapidshare and i knew that vlatko had an *.mp3 version from that post. I'm not ashamed to say that this is the 1st time i've heard of the flac format. I understand it's a superior format to -.mp3 but i think it is very unfair to give Vlatko a hard time for making this Queen-fan extremey happy by sharing this ultimate souvenir of that phenomenal gig that i was at some 23 years ago. Sir GH and 828 might have these recordings as well but chose to 'ignore it' but will hapily take the time to bag a fellow Queen-fan for making someone really happy! I just don't get it! Anywayz, u know guys, i was 14 when i went to those Brussels' gigs and it wasn't real 'cool' to be a Queen fan in those days..people and friends constantly gave me shit for being a Queen fan...and when i went to those gigs it was like havin' a nite with 9.000 of my best friends, i watch the 'hammer to fall' video (which was shot that night) and recognize the faces of those people i hung out with that nite, patiently waiting front of stage for hours (there was a serious delay) for our favourite band to come on and blow our minds! The atmosphere and spirit of togetherness was as awesome as the gig itself, and it was brilliant to share this nite with so many likeminded people and i guess that's what being a Queen fan is all about, sharing our passion for this phenomenal band with others. Vlatko obviously understood how badly i wanted to hear it all over again...once again, u rock Vlatko! Thanx! Keep yourselves alive! Franky Ps. I would still love to have the sep 21st 84 gig as well...and yes!, Flac would be fine!! Just let me know how to convert it to mp3!! hahaHi Tom,you obviously havn't seen any of my usual replies...lol...believe me,i didn't give him a hard time.Other members will vouch for that. Everyone knows,everyone wants...the best. Lossless it is. This one will pass easily..it's not like 2 years back banging on about music destruction. Showing people how bad mp3 was & what you dont get to hear because of it.The trouble it causes in trading I think most know now & what with Internet speed changes mp3 is all but gone as people hear the difference and thankfully want lossless. No prob m8 |
| Saint Jiub 23.05.2007 23:53 |
928 - When was the last time you got intentionally scammed by a bad trader? Has the bad trader's lousy reputation limited his ability to later trade with other traders (through a website list of bad traders, or word of mouth etc)? When was the last time someone accidentally sent you lossy material purported to be lossless? Did they attempt to correct their mistake for you? Besides FA and SA, what can be done without "banning" mp3's to help prevent receiving lossy material? ... Can you ask that a sample be sent to you via mediafire or rapidshare etc? If a trader already has a decent reputation, can the reputable trader ask the "unknown" trader for a "contingent deal"? ... ("I will give you this item, IF I am reasonably satisfied after listening to or viewing your item"), ie .. The unknown trader privately uploads the complete item for the listening pleasure of the reputable trader via yousendit or some other means? If a person is willing to accept, or prefers lossy material, is it not unlikely that this person would be motivated to actually be a trader? If someone shared (intentionally or unintentionally) a lossy recording in Flac format on Queenzone, how many hours would it take to reveal that recording as a fraud? Someone likely would quickly discover that the recording was a fraud, and the person who uploaded the fraud would likely need to quickly make amends or face "expulsion" from the trading community. My "point": You do not punish the mp3 sharer that does not share fradulent lossy material. Instead, I believe that reasonable precautions can be taken to prevent sharing of fraudulent items, and if fraudulent items are shared, then the fraudulent sharer is "held accountable" by the trading community. To my knowlege, since requests have been made to not share a flac item in lossy format, no one has shared the reputable sharer's flac item as a lossy recording. I recall only one occasion where a mp3 sharer (when confronted by flac afficianados) threatened to convert flac to mp3 and share it (obviously his threat wase uncalled for). Fortunately, the threats were generally ignored by the trading / sharing community, flac sharing continued on QZ, and this guy never carried through with his outrageous threat (to my knowledge anyway). But, what if this guy was so bitter that he converted the flac to lossy and reconverted it to flac and shared it on QZ? The fraudulent recording would have been quickly discovered (limiting pollution of the trading pool), and the fraudulent trader would have been drummed out of QZ faster than you could say "Arlene", "Musical Prostitute", or "Supertrouper". By all means continue to to educate people as to the benefits of lossless, but please try to refrain from insults, and instead constructively direct your criticism and "discipline" towards the fraudulent sharers. I can proclaim with 100% confidence: 1. That I have never converted a lossy item to lossless and shared it. 2. That I have "disobeyed" a user's request to not share copies of their lossless recordings in a lossy format. I keep the flac files, and my own personal mp3 copies on a different hard drive away fro my other lossy recordings. Do I get a medal or a chest to pin it on? I will attempt to respond in a socially appropriate manner to any constructive criticism directed toward this post. Thank you for "listening" Sincerely, Chad, er, I mean Mike Van |
| The Real Wizard 24.05.2007 00:08 |
Mike Van wrote: Do I get a medal or a chest to pin it on?Mmmm.. not yet! But in all seriousness, good post. I know very well that you're not someone to spread mp3s around. The major problem with sharing mp3s here is the reputation it gave Queen collectors in the wider collecting world. I have been in contact with a couple collectors in the past (not necessarily Queen collectors, but people who just have a couple unusual Queen recordings) who denied a trade with me because they were afraid their recording would be lossied up and shared on Queenzone within a day or two. It had happened to other recordings, so why not theirs? Yes, new recordings have come out in the last few years, but others haven't. And I can speak from first hand experience that sharing mp3s here was to blame, since this is where the majority of online Queen sharing happens. If we completely clean out the mp3s from this forum, the reputation of Queen collectors will gradually improve, and perhaps recordings like Chicago 76 (yes, you read right!) may be able to come out some day. tomwaits wrote: Sir GH and 828 might have these recordings as well but chose to 'ignore it' but will hapily take the time to bag a fellow Queen-fan for making someone really happy! I just don't get it!It's not that I *ignored* a request. I have shared dozens of shows here. I simply can't hand out my entire collection on a silver platter for everyone! I have a life outside this forum, and I can share things here now and again. i watch the 'hammer to fall' video (which was shot that night) and recognize the faces of those people i hung out with that nite, patiently waiting front of stage for hours (there was a serious delay) for our favourite band to come on and blow our minds!So, was the video for Hammer To Fall shot before, after, or during the concert? We've been trying to figure this one out for years! Please let us know! |
| Saint Jiub 24.05.2007 01:32 |
Bob - I only have one or two things I slightly disagree with, I need to wake up in less than 6 hours for a possibly boring 6 hour computer software sellathon (for which I am hardly an expert). Hopefully I will remember what I wanted to say tomorrow. It is about my perceived idea that other collectors have an irrational fear of Queenzone sharing their the collector's lossless recording as lossless (especially in light of recent Queenzone developments, in the last year or so, where Queenzone always (so far it seems anyway) honors the collector's request of not sharing their lossless recordings as lossy. Good night. |
| on my way up 24.05.2007 05:38 |
sir gh said:
So, was the video for Hammer To Fall shot before, after, or during the concert? We've been trying to figure this one out for years! Please let us know!
The video for 'Hammer to fall' was shot the day after the show! A belgian fan wrote it on a dutch Queensite, she was invited to the shoot the next day, in an empty hall with only a handful of other fans. There were definetely cameras in the hall during the show!They filmed the audience. I hope they filmed some more than just some audience shots...There is certainly one shot in the video where you can see the audience aswell as the band on stage, filmed by a camera high up in the hall. here is whath the belgian fan said about the shows she visited and the HTF shoot:link thewhitequeen is her nickname |
| tomwaits 24.05.2007 06:44 |
Hello yous! Well, i guess it's fair to say i've learned quite a bit already about the queenzone in these first 48hrs of my membership! :) Thank you all for taking the time to argue your case for losless flac...i realize that what you are often dealing with is dodgy bootleg vinyl that was recorded on a walkman/taperecorder in someone's pocket at the gig..so it makes perfect sense to wanna preserve as much as possible of the original recording...in my case however i was just after any shape or form of it, i would have downloaded it even if it had been recorded on the loo at the pub across the road from the venue...just 'cuz i was there on them Brussels nights and wanted them for sentimental reasons! :) I will look into what Flac is all about as i'm really keen to download some of the gigs that i'm spotting on here..i just spotted one of Holland '84 that looks pretty good! Anywayz, thank you all for sharing! Oh, Sir GH! The video of 'Hammer to fall" was shot on the night of the gig (24th) and the next day, you can hear freddie inviting the audience to come back for the shoot. On the night of the gig there was a camera mounted on an arm that would swing over the front rows of the audience during a few songs...i was front of stage and can be seen a few times in the clip, my 5 seconds of fame! :) I used to drive my parents nuts with pausing the 'ole Betamax video a hundred times to show them it was me headbanging like a possesed freak on there! :) The audience shots were taken during 'Tie your Mother Down','Radio Ga Ga' and 'hammer to fall' itself..i guess they also had a cam up in the box at the back of the hall and i presume that most of the band's performance on stage (except the parts where u can see the audience as well) where filmed the next day. i don't remember any cams onstage during the gig, just the one mounted on the arm. Trivia...the'don't stop me now' video was shot at the same venue! Thanks again for taking the time to argue Flac's case in here...hints as to what you guys recommend for software & tutorials would be appreciated... Keep yourselves alive! Franky PS. on my way up! good to see a fellow Belgian on here...i moved to australia 8 years ago...how's Belgium? Miss me? haha |
| The Real Wizard 24.05.2007 13:50 |
on my way up wrote: The video for 'Hammer to fall' was shot the day after the show! ... here is whath the belgian fan said about the shows she visited and the HTF shoot:linkThanks for the link! But as you know, I don't speak Dutch! Can anyone translate that post, or at least, any part of it that may offer something new? I tried dictionary.com/translate, but it doesn't translate too well. tomwaits wrote: i realize that what you are often dealing with is dodgy bootleg vinyl that was recorded on a walkman/taperecorder in someone's pocket at the gig..so it makes perfect sense to wanna preserve as much as possible of the original recordingExactly. There are still people who will argue for sharing mp3s until they're blue in the face, but I will never understand how they can be satisfied with worse quality, especially when they know something better exists. in my case however i was just after any shape or form of it, i would have downloaded it even if it had been recorded on the loo at the pub across the road from the venue...just 'cuz i was there on them Brussels nights and wanted them for sentimental reasons! :)Haha... yeah, I hear you.. :) you can hear freddie inviting the audience to come back for the shootAre you completely sure of that? On my recordings of the show, all I hear is Freddie saying this: "This next song we're gonna use in our next video. So everybody just go mad and maybe later you'll see one of you guys inside the video one day. Oh, just go crazy, take your clothes off. It's called Hammer To Fall." And after the song, he shouts, "Good night, you guys!", as that was the last song of the set. Thanks for posting your story! Much was learned from that. About how many people would you say came back the next day? hints as to what you guys recommend for software & tutorials would be appreciated...I use "FLAC Frontend" to convert to and from FLAC/WAV. Very easy to use. FLAC level 8 is the way to go. The files are the smallest possible (about 1/2 the size of standard WAV), but they take a bit longer to encode. |
| tomwaits 25.05.2007 04:48 |
Sir GH wrote: Are you completely sure of that? On my recordings of the show, all I hear is Freddie saying this: "This next song we're gonna use in our next video. So everybody just go mad and maybe later you'll see one of you guys inside the video one day. Oh, just go crazy, take your clothes off. It's called Hammer To Fall." And after the song, he shouts, "Good night, you guys!", as that was the last song of the set. You're absolutely right there...it's been 23 years man...hahaha...i do remember a mate telling me this happened when we went back for the show on the 21st of september. From what i get from WhiteQueen's story on the dutch Queen site is that she and about twenty other members of the Dutch Fanclub were invited to attend the shoot the next day..they were instructed by a roadie to sit quietly on a chair and not to move or approach the bandmembers, they had a brilliant day and after a few hours Brian came over and had a chat with them checkin' if they were enjoying themselves and asked them if they were hungry and ordered them some take-away... I'll post a full translation of Whitequeen's story here soon...the girl lived any Queen fan's dream that day! lol Cheers for the Flac tips GH! Keep yourselves alive! |
| The Real Wizard 25.05.2007 11:20 |
Ha... incredible story! I love hearing this stuff! So, this story, along with the bootleg, indicates that any parts of the video showing the audience were filmed during the concert on the 24th, and that the story told through official channels about Freddie inviting the audience during the concert to the video shoot the next day, and that *only* a few dozen showed up, isn't true. It makes much more sense now. And... any part of the video with the audience in it is from the actual concert. Very good to know this now. |