| kdj2hot 16.12.2006 11:20 |
I just thought I'd pose this question for the AIDS experts out there. To help curious fans understand. I'll start off with the lil' I know. There are people who had HIV in their system in the mid 70's who are still alive today. Their blood was tested afterwards from the Hep B trials and were alerted in the mid 80's. I remember reading a story about one such patient, I can't find the link it was on my old computer. But he soecifically stated he never used any drugs. Be it prescription drugs or illegal drugs. There's a lot of people who believe that the use of drugs rapidly causes HIV to become AIDS.The vast majority of HIV positive patients who never become AIDS status say they've never used drugs and many never went on AIDS drugs. If you think about it street drug use or prescription drug use probably covers atleast 98% of AIDS related deaths. You still have to account for the people, I believe the number is around 300, who never developed AIDS. These are people who have been HIV positive for 15-20 yrs or more. Again most of them fit the same profile of not using the drugs. Any AIDS experts have any info shooting down that theory? It seems to make sense to me. |
| KingMercury 16.12.2006 12:56 |
there's a forum, where you can ask the experts what you want to know sbout AIDS or HIV link it's very usefull you cant use it for any thing, it's a forum where people who have the illnes ask about his treatment so be very carefull on what you ask but i think this forum is not to talk about HIV or AIDS it's a Queen related forum so, lets try to talk about it and not about AIDS |
| onevsion 16.12.2006 13:16 |
Indeed. Let's talk about the music. |
| Poo, again 16.12.2006 14:55 |
omg i luv Freddie |
| teleman 16.12.2006 16:17 |
KingMercury wrote: there's a forum, where you can ask the experts what you want to know sbout AIDS or HIV link it's very usefull you cant use it for any thing, it's a forum where people who have the illnes ask about his treatment so be very carefull on what you ask but i think this forum is not to talk about HIV or AIDS it's a Queen related forum so, lets try to talk about it and not about AIDSLike it or not AIDS is a relevant topic when discussing Queen/Freddie. After all it is what lead to Freddie's death and played a role in songs written at the time. As for the topic, there are different strains of HIV including some newer strains which are more lethal than other strains. |
| KingMercury 16.12.2006 19:16 |
teleman wrote:its not a relevant topic!!!!KingMercury wrote: there's a forum, where you can ask the experts what you want to know sbout AIDS or HIV link it's very usefull you cant use it for any thing, it's a forum where people who have the illnes ask about his treatment so be very carefull on what you ask but i think this forum is not to talk about HIV or AIDS it's a Queen related forum so, lets try to talk about it and not about AIDSLike it or not AIDS is a relevant topic when discussing Queen/Freddie. After all it is what lead to Freddie's death and played a role in songs written at the time. As for the topic, there are different strains of HIV including some newer strains which are more lethal than other strains. i listen to queen music, and (like most of people) i'm not interested in "when did freddie get the illness" or "why jim is still alive and freddie not" please people if you think AIDS is a relevant topic talking about Queen, you're sick and you're morbid please let freddie rest in peace, and please enjoy his legacy, i mean, his music |
| teleman 17.12.2006 00:02 |
KingMercury wrote: if you think AIDS is a relevant topic talking about Queen, you're sick and you're morbid please let freddie rest in peace, and please enjoy his legacy, i mean, his musicIf AIDS and the death of Freddie played a role in songs written at the time then it is relevant to a discussion of Queen. I don't give a fuck about how Freddie caught HIV/AIDS(it's pretty obvious) but I do care about the music and AIDS did play a role in the music from the last part of Freddie's life. KingMercury, if you think I'm sick and morbid because I think AIDS is relevant to a discussion on Queen then I suggest you're a small minded idiot. |
| theCro 17.12.2006 00:11 |
teleman wrote:no need to abuse him by calling him an idiot...i support your theory by the way, THIS IS THE PLACE where we must spread the words about AIdS because FREDDIE died of AiDS! And yes, some of his songs are inspired by illness... sad but true!KingMercury wrote: if you think AIDS is a relevant topic talking about Queen, you're sick and you're morbid please let freddie rest in peace, and please enjoy his legacy, i mean, his musicIf AIDS and the death of Freddie played a role in songs written at the time then it is relevant to a discussion of Queen. I don't give a fuck about how Freddie caught HIV/AIDS(it's pretty obvious) but I do care about the music and AIDS did play a role in the music from the last part of Freddie's life. KingMercury, if you think I'm sick and morbid because I think AIDS is relevant to a discussion on Queen then I suggest you're a small minded idiot. |
| s.m. 17.12.2006 05:10 |
KingMercury wrote: its not a relevant topic!!!!70% of the topics on this forum are not relevant but i didn´t see you complain there |
| jeffuk49 17.12.2006 05:50 |
oh good a medical forum, Can someone help with this coldsore I've got, it's a right bugger had it for a week now |
| Queenman!! 17.12.2006 07:34 |
kdj2hot wrote: I just thought I'd pose this question for the AIDS experts out there. To help curious fans understand. I'll start off with the lil' I know. There are people who had HIV in their system in the mid 70's who are still alive today. Their blood was tested afterwards from the Hep B trials and were alerted in the mid 80's. I remember reading a story about one such patient, I can't find the link it was on my old computer. But he soecifically stated he never used any drugs. Be it prescription drugs or illegal drugs. There's a lot of people who believe that the use of drugs rapidly causes HIV to become AIDS.The vast majority of HIV positive patients who never become AIDS status say they've never used drugs and many never went on AIDS drugs. If you think about it street drug use or prescription drug use probably covers atleast 98% of AIDS related deaths. You still have to account for the people, I believe the number is around 300, who never developed AIDS. These are people who have been HIV positive for 15-20 yrs or more. Again most of them fit the same profile of not using the drugs. Any AIDS experts have any info shooting down that theory? It seems to make sense to me.Let see... What I know from AIDS is you can be HIV infected for years before HIV become AIDS. I think in Freddie's situation there has been a short time overlapping each other. Freddie could be HIV positive since 1985 and got AIDS in 1987. Jim H. got HIV in 1985 and maybe in the year 1994 he still didn't had AIDS. I believe in 1994 came the first kind of decent medicine to prevent a person who's got HIV falling into the final state, still no cure, AIDS So Jim was very lucky in a way you can say.... Please, the last time topics about AIDS and so on.. Let's talk about music!!!!!!!!!!! |
| i'm going slight mad... 17.12.2006 11:10 |
isn't there a gene that can stop you from getting full blown AID's...omega something...heard i somewhere. also the gene that stopped some people dying of the plague...i don't know, will have to look it up now |
| kdj2hot 18.12.2006 00:06 |
Excuse me, I didnt mean to offend anyone. Sorry. |
| Micrówave 18.12.2006 13:16 |
jeffuk49 wrote: oh good a medical forum, Can someone help with this coldsore I've got, it's a right bugger had it for a week nowJust find someone who doesn't have one and rub your face against theirs. Yours should clear up in a week or so. |
| you_rock_my_socks06 20.12.2006 13:21 |
the reason why Freddie was killed so swiftly is because he was diagonsied with AIDs and not HIV. He had most likely had HIV for a great number of years before it turned into AIDs. But because he didn't have HIV when he discovered he was ill he couldn't have had the medication to prevent it from progressing into AIDs even if that was a couple of years. In modern days it can now be sustained for up to 20 years. I don't know if drugs increses the speed of HIV developing into AIDs but I don't think it does. |
| Poo, again 20.12.2006 13:24 |
^ AIDs. |
| deleted user 20.12.2006 13:54 |
I'll try to give a complete answer for anybody interested. At the time Freddie found out that he was HIV positive NO drugs existed. The drugs used today became available two or three years after Freddie's death. Now, there are indeed some people who don't develop the illness, although they are HIV positive and can pass the illness to other people. According to scientists, those people have a special enzyme called A3G, which is the one responsible for these people not developing AIDS. Jim Hutton is probably one of the persons who have that enzyme. |
| Pandy Legend 21.12.2006 04:05 |
Further to previous answers, I think it also depends on the individual's immune system. Some people are naturally better at fighting infection than others and so their own body would be able to "hold back" the virus longer than other sufferers' bodies. The use of recreational drugs may have an effect on the immune system therefore lowering the body's defences. |
| john bodega 21.12.2006 06:00 |
KingMercury wrote:You're just a sissy. "Oooh no, this subject offends me, I'm going to hide under the table".teleman wrote:its not a relevant topic!!!! i listen to queen music, and (like most of people) i'm not interested in "when did freddie get the illness" or "why jim is still alive and freddie not" please people if you think AIDS is a relevant topic talking about Queen, you're sick and you're morbid please let freddie rest in peace, and please enjoy his legacy, i mean, his musicKingMercury wrote: there's a forum, where you can ask the experts what you want to know sbout AIDS or HIV link it's very usefull you cant use it for any thing, it's a forum where people who have the illnes ask about his treatment so be very carefull on what you ask but i think this forum is not to talk about HIV or AIDS it's a Queen related forum so, lets try to talk about it and not about AIDSLike it or not AIDS is a relevant topic when discussing Queen/Freddie. After all it is what lead to Freddie's death and played a role in songs written at the time. As for the topic, there are different strains of HIV including some newer strains which are more lethal than other strains. You can't control conversations in real life - so you can't do it on the internet. It might be an *awful* awful truth, but AIDS and Freddie are unfortunately tied together now. It might suck for you, but spare a thought for how much it sucked for HIM, you bedwetter. |
| Donna13 21.12.2006 11:02 |
On the question of whether or not Freddie would rest in peace knowing we were discussing AIDS and his situation as it was, just remember Freddie's final words to us, his fans. "...I hope everyone will join me, my doctors and all those worldwide in the fight against this terrible disease." That means to me that Freddie wanted his fans to be involved. I think that the most we can do sometimes is to keep the disease in discussion to increase awareness and thereby (hopefully) prevent new infection. |
| Micrówave 21.12.2006 12:25 |
Yes, but Freddie's statement came at a time when AIDS was filling his every thought. Looking back, I think it's the last thing he'd want us to remember him for. We all know about AIDS now. We all know how NOT to get it. If you're mad that Freddie's dead and Magic Johnson looks like he could go for 25 against the Clippers tonight, I am too. But some things just can't be explained. Do I need to wear a ribbon? No. And I'm sure glad the "World Aids Day" banner has been taken down from this site. |
| bohemian 11513 21.12.2006 12:56 |
you_rock_my_socks06 wrote: ...He had most likely had HIV for a great number of years before it turned into AIDs...Socks, you´re absolutely right... just listen to BoRhap... it´s all in there... way back in 1975!!! If Fred hadn´t died of aids he sure would have died listening to "Return Of The Champions". ...so he would be dead by now anyway!!! :-))) And this "kitchen device" is right too! Tear down those red ribbons... they just don´t help... ...at least not Fred returning to the NBA!!! Btw, anyone, even John Deacon, could score 25 against the Clippers at any given time these days! PS: This is Queenzone.com and not Aidszone.com... so better talk about Paul Rodgers and his beautiful voice... and the upcoming "PR+" double CD! Who´s Fred? What´s Aids? Who are the Clippers? Who is PR+??? ...to be continued! ;-) |