| r_m88 01.11.2006 13:51 |
Hello everyone, It seems that among all the songs of the "Made in Heaven" album, only these ones are really post "Innuendo" sessions songs : - Mother Love - You don't fool me - Too much love will kill you - A winter's tale Do you agree ? Do you have any precisions ? |
| Jjeroen 01.11.2006 14:09 |
- Mother Love --->Yes, the last song Freddie sang - You don't fool me --->No, from Hot Space sessions - Too much love will kill you --->No, from Miracle sessions - A winter's tale ---->Yes |
| M a t i a s M a y 01.11.2006 14:18 |
No, you don't fool me is actually new |
| Jjeroen 01.11.2006 14:23 |
Whatever! |
| Adam Baboolal 01.11.2006 14:58 |
Yeah, ydfm was a new one. I find it amazing that people still think it's a Hot Space track. Purely because of the amount of times it's come up on the forum and been discussed. Adam. |
| mircal 01.11.2006 17:28 |
Sorry but you dont fool me is from the the hot space sesions. But TMLWKY i am uncertain that it was Mirical times, this was closer to friddies passing as it was done solo by brian in 1992 |
| Rick 01.11.2006 17:42 |
Track 13 |
| junketerQ2 01.11.2006 18:22 |
TMLWKY was definitely recorded during The Miracle session in '89 & unless im mistaken they decided not to use it because they werent happy with the vocals? I think Brian wrote it around '88 with 2 friends. |
| mrjordy 01.11.2006 19:02 |
"Pee Pee" |
| mircal 01.11.2006 20:07 |
mrjordy wrote: "Pee Pee"freddies last words. |
| Jedi Knight 01.11.2006 21:18 |
TMLWKY is from 1988, and YDFM is from 1990 or 1991 |
| mircal 01.11.2006 21:30 |
so..... where is the quoates to prove all this... you mean all the books we read and info is all wrong and we are just to take what we see here as the truth? |
| Bigbrotherbp 02.11.2006 00:15 |
jeroen wrote: - Mother Love --->Yes, the last song Freddie sangI thought it was Bri? |
| mircal 02.11.2006 00:27 |
bigbrotherbp wrote:Noop... twas freddsjeroen wrote: - Mother Love --->Yes, the last song Freddie sangI thought it was Bri? |
| Bigbrotherbp 02.11.2006 00:32 |
mircal wrote: Noop... twas freddsI don't think that. How do you know? Fred doesn't sing as a baritone. He always sang as a tenor! And I heard the voice was different! (If not, are there mother love versions?) ---> Which part did Fred and / or Bri sang? link |
| mircal 02.11.2006 00:47 |
bigbrotherbp wrote:Mother love is the last song freddie sang on... Just coz brian is on the last part of the song doesnt mean anyhting. If want me to post my sauces i will, but it was the last song freddie sang.mircal wrote: Noop... twas freddsI don't think that. How do you know? Fred doesn't sing as a baritone. He always sang as a tenor! And I heard the voice was different! (If not, are there mother love versions?) ---> Which part did Fred and / or Bri sang? link |
| M a t i a s M a y 02.11.2006 01:02 |
mircal wrote: so..... where is the quoates to prove all this... you mean all the books we read and info is all wrong and we are just to take what we see here as the truth?SHUT UP, WANKER YOU DON'T FOOL ME IS NEW |
| Fireplace 02.11.2006 03:50 |
bigbrotherbp wrote:How do we know? Well, amazing as it may sound, some of us actually recognise Freddie's voice when we hear it. It's not that hard really, put on the song and look for the voice that sounds a lot like the one singing lead on Bohemian Rhapsody. It's the one soaring two ocatves above anything Brian ever did. Brian did sing the last verse after the guitar solo though.mircal wrote: Noop... twas freddsI don't think that. How do you know? Fred doesn't sing as a baritone. He always sang as a tenor! And I heard the voice was different! (If not, are there mother love versions?) ---> Which part did Fred and / or Bri sang? link |
| mircal 02.11.2006 05:18 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:wanker he says... go fuck your self dip shit and come back with some proof you know what your talking about... cock headmircal wrote: so..... where is the quoates to prove all this... you mean all the books we read and info is all wrong and we are just to take what we see here as the truth?SHUT UP, WANKER YOU DON'T FOOL ME IS NEW |
| Going Back 02.11.2006 05:19 |
last song freddie sang was NOT mother love, it was A winters tale, mother love was last song freddie wrote. |
| mircal 02.11.2006 05:19 |
Fireplace wrote:bigbrotherbp wrote:I stand by what fireplace... How do we know? Well, amazing as it may sound, some of us actually recognise Freddie's voice when we hear it. It's not that hard really, put on the song and look for the voice that sounds a lot like the one singing lead on Bohemian Rhapsody. It's the one soaring two ocatves above anything Brian ever did. Brian did sing the last verse after the guitar solo though.mircal wrote: Noop... twas freddsI don't think that. How do you know? Fred doesn't sing as a baritone. He always sang as a tenor! And I heard the voice was different! (If not, are there mother love versions?) ---> Which part did Fred and / or Bri sang? link |
| mircal 02.11.2006 05:21 |
Going Back wrote: last song freddie sang was NOT mother love, it was A winters tale, mother love was last song freddie wrote.could you possibly confirm your source???? see M a t i a s M a y,,, you ask nice and you get places.... wanker.... hahahah waht ever... blow me |
| The Fairy King 02.11.2006 05:41 |
jeroen wrote: - You don't fool me --->No, from Hot Space sessionsxD OMG Jeroen, what a noobtastic mistake! :D |
| GriffoChubb 02.11.2006 07:03 |
Mother Love: the last song what Freddie sang. It's true because Brian had to finish it because Freddie couldn't do it due to his illness. A winter's tale: the last song Written by Freddie You don't fool me: It's a new song, listen Freddie's voice: it's quite weak. I guarantee that these infos are correct. Take care! |
| Smitty 02.11.2006 07:08 |
A lot of the previous comments just show exactly WHY we need less noobs on QZ... For the record about TMLWKY... We know it's from 1988/1989 because there is a DEMO of it from 1988/1989. I have the demo, I've heard it. It's not too hard to find. |
| Winter Land Man 02.11.2006 07:09 |
mircal hasn't a clue... he read the booklet "Harks back to the Hot Space era" which does NOT mean it was recorded then, it means they were doing music similar. Jim Beach, Brian, Roger, and all them all have talked about this on different documentaries. |
| john bodega 02.11.2006 07:22 |
I can't believe this is being asked AGAIN.... You Don't Fool Me was either recorded during or after Innuendo. Why? One must use common sense: * There's not a lot of melody content in it; there's a lot of repeated stuff. One can reason that this is because the song was really only a skeleton, patched together from scraps (as Roger said on the radio in 1999). So either, it's a song idea from Innuendo they never finished, or it was recorded after Innuendo and Freddie was too ill to finish it. A Winter's Tale and Mother Love, if you can trust Dave Richards, may have actually overlapped in the recording process. There is a lot of speculation around here over which was actually recorded last, and when the last recordings where. It's usually taken as read that Freddie's last vocals were done in Montreaux, but I read an interview (with Dave Richards? Someone help me out here...) saying that Metropolis was actually the last place he recorded. Yeah... there's a lot of confusion over those two songs simply because no one 'in the know' has ever given a definitive answer. There's a quote floating around that Freddie's last recording was a mere fortnight before he died (not so impossible, if you figure that his medication kept him going, and once he stopped taking it he couldn't work anymore). There was another interview that suggested A Winter's Tale was recorded first, then Mother Love, but then Freddie went back and did the last verse of A Winter's Tale... One thing you can be *assured* of is that You Don't Fool Me is NOT A HOT SPACE TRACK. If you don't trust people, trust your ears - his voice is remarkably similar to the older, deeper sound heard in Ride the Wild Wind, or I'm Going Slightly Mad. He does not sound like the Freddie of '82, and frankly you'd be a nut for getting confused over this. The ENTIRE Hot Space idea comes from the GH3 booklet, where they mentioned the track 'harking back to' the Hot Space era. This means *nothing*, it's just a comment on the genre of music. Please.... just listen to the recording, use your ears (if you have them) and you'll figure out that the track is in fact from a much later period. |
| r_m88 02.11.2006 14:22 |
I have found this on a french site about Queen : It's a beautiful day : recorded in 1980 Made in heaven : New version of Freddie's song Let me live : demo with Rod Stewart during the Hot Space sessions Mother love : New song My life has been saved : New version of the B-side of the "Scandal" single I was born to love you : New version of Freddie's song Heaven for everyone : New version of The Cross' song already sang by Freddie Too much live will kill you : New song You don't fool me : New song A winter's tale : New song Do you agree ? |
| r_m88 02.11.2006 14:23 |
Finally, only 4 real new songs on this album |
| mircal 02.11.2006 15:40 |
.*.Messenger Of Leah.*. wrote: mircal hasn't a clue... he read the booklet "Harks back to the Hot Space era" which does NOT mean it was recorded then, it means they were doing music similar. Jim Beach, Brian, Roger, and all them all have talked about this on different documentaries.I havent got a clue.... ppffttt your nuts. You dont fool was recorded for the sessions of Made in heaven, how ever it was written in the hot space days.. if i have no such clue as to what i am saying why are there other people saying the same thing.... hhmmmm???answer that. |
| kohuept 02.11.2006 17:13 |
For those who actually want to know/learn something and not just guess and speculate, read Zebonka12's post. |
| mircal 02.11.2006 17:16 |
kohuept wrote: For those who actually want to know/learn something and not just guess and speculate, read Zebonka12's post.Yes there is some valid points but i have known of YDFM being written in the HOT SPACE sessions long before GH3 came out, i never even paid attention to that. |
| kohuept 02.11.2006 18:04 |
OK. Great. Have you listened to the song? It is from the 90s. If you think that it was WRITTEN in the 80s, why is it incomplete? |
| mircal 02.11.2006 18:43 |
kohuept wrote: OK. Great. Have you listened to the song? It is from the 90s. If you think that it was WRITTEN in the 80s, why is it incomplete?my god all these smart ass coments...i had no idea queen fans all hated each other...no i havent listen to the song... whio sang it?? was it you...?? that explains why you know so much about it....who are queen anyway??.... pfft if you know anything about music,, many songs get scrapped...for what ever reason, maybe time, they had to a dead line, they werent happy with it, Look at the track sheer heart attack,,, when was that written?? go find out what session it was from and then see when they decided to use it then come back and tell me why... point is who cares if it was in the 80's are you telling me queens music is dated??? I read in one of many queen bios and books that the song was written in the hot space sessions but they never used it, for what ever reason, how ever in the finall days of freddies recording as i quote brian quating freddie "just get me to sing anything" from the champions of the world doco, they needed songs for freddie to sing... now.. for all this comotion, this is eating up my time for the most important thing.... listening to queen which i am going to do this second, am going to foget about these posts that just make people hate each other over facts that mean shit when it's the music that counts... im done with this topic... Fab! |
| Winter Land Man 02.11.2006 20:58 |
mircal wrote:No, Brian said Freddie told them to WRITE anything.kohuept wrote: OK. Great. Have you listened to the song? It is from the 90s. If you think that it was WRITTEN in the 80s, why is it incomplete?my god all these smart ass coments...i had no idea queen fans all hated each other...no i havent listen to the song... whio sang it?? was it you...?? that explains why you know so much about it....who are queen anyway??.... pfft if you know anything about music,, many songs get scrapped...for what ever reason, maybe time, they had to a dead line, they werent happy with it, Look at the track sheer heart attack,,, when was that written?? go find out what session it was from and then see when they decided to use it then come back and tell me why... point is who cares if it was in the 80's are you telling me queens music is dated??? I read in one of many queen bios and books that the song was written in the hot space sessions but they never used it, for what ever reason, how ever in the finall days of freddies recording as i quote brian quating freddie "just get me to sing anything" from the champions of the world doco, they needed songs for freddie to sing... now.. for all this comotion, this is eating up my time for the most important thing.... listening to queen which i am going to do this second, am going to foget about these posts that just make people hate each other over facts that mean shit when it's the music that counts... im done with this topic... Fab! |
| Lester Burnham 02.11.2006 21:10 |
mircal wrote:IT. WAS. NOT. WRITTEN. DURING. SESSIONS. FOR. HOT. SPACE. IT. WAS. WRITTEN. AND. RECORDED. DURING. 1991. READ. ZEBONKA12'S. POST. AGAIN. BECAUSE. IT. IS. CORRECT. NOT. ALL. DANCE. SONGS. WERE. WRITTEN. OR. RECORDED. DURING. SESSIONS. FOR. HOT. SPACE.kohuept wrote: For those who actually want to know/learn something and not just guess and speculate, read Zebonka12's post.Yes there is some valid points but i have known of YDFM being written in the HOT SPACE sessions long before GH3 came out, i never even paid attention to that. |
| M a t i a s M a y 02.11.2006 22:02 |
mircal, stop talking shit and go fuck yourself |
| mircal 02.11.2006 22:10 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: mircal, stop talking shit and go fuck yourselfOh did i upset you??? Are you ok...???? Its ok... all little boys cry everynow and then... its ok.. no expects you to brave all the time...poor boy... |
| M a t i a s M a y 03.11.2006 01:34 |
mircal wrote:???M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: mircal, stop talking shit and go fuck yourselfOh did i upset you??? Are you ok...???? Its ok... all little boys cry everynow and then... its ok.. no expects you to brave all the time...poor boy... xDDDD You can't upset me, you're not even human :) but really, you should go fuck yourself |
| mircal 03.11.2006 02:52 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:mircal wrote:??? xDDDD You can't upset me, you're not even human :) yeah no worries mate, grow up. but really, you should go fuck yourselfM a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: mircal, stop talking shit and go fuck yourselfOh did i upset you??? Are you ok...???? Its ok... all little boys cry everynow and then... its ok.. no expects you to brave all the time...poor boy... |
| AmeriQueen 03.11.2006 04:45 |
It depends on how you look at it. Created by the members of Queen? That would be the songs of Innuendo. Created by the four members of Queen, post-humously in terms of Freddie's incomplete efforts. As for what we all get, future box-sets/re-releases will likely introduce the public to further Queen material from the past. But the way I see it, Queen music has usually, more so in the early days, been individually manufactured, Deacon playing guitar, bass, piano on his songs, May singing and playing bass in addition to guitar on some of his, and Roger's tracks often exclude the other Queen members completely. So it is difficult to define what is Queen or just Queen-ish. It's clear to me that Freddie and Queen ended in brilliant fashion as they started to really rock again at the end. I differ from most of you Queen fans in that I prefer 'The Miracle' over 'Innuendo' and 'Made In Heaven'. |
| Jjeroen 03.11.2006 04:52 |
Well, anyway, forget YDFM but Too Much Love WAS indeed actually recorded during the Miracle sessions! DEFINATELY!! |
| Scott_Mercury 03.11.2006 07:33 |
.*.Messenger Of Leah.*. wrote:mircal wrote:No, Brian said Freddie told them to WRITE anything.I fucking hate this comment!!! |
| kohuept 03.11.2006 13:25 |
Scott - you seem to be reading too much into the statement. I think this is how we end up with all of those Brian-bashing threads. It is a very reasonable statement from a dying man who just wants to work and do what he loves. Just because Freddie requested as much from the others as they possibly could give does not mean he had nothing to offer himself. You are implying that, in Freddie/Brian saying this, Freddie only sang material written by the others. As you pointed out, this is not true. In my opinion, he was just making sure there was no down-time when he was able to be in the studio. With all of this said, I, of course, was not there during any of it and am just guessing. |
| Scott_Mercury 03.11.2006 14:29 |
kohuept wrote: Scott - you seem to be reading too much into the statement. I think this is how we end up with all of those Brian-bashing threads.I have never been involved in those. I am a guitarist, Brian is my hero. kohuept wrote: It is a very reasonable statement from a dying man who just wants to work and do what he loves.Reasonable... if true. Brian, god love him... has a way of making his contributions a seem a little bigger then they actually were, an Freddie's a little less. Of course, he's never that explicit about it. Brian will listen to questions about BoRhap like he's only somewhat interested... talk about Hammer to Fall, and the tall curly headed one lights up. Hammer and BoRhap are not equals..at least not to anyone but Brian kohuept wrote: In my opinion, he was just making sure there was no down-time when he was able to be in the studio.And right there... you said it. "he was just making sure there was no down-time when he was able to be in the studio"... he is Freddie.... and even in his advanced stages of illness, he was still the leader of Queen. This is a title that he would always deny, and our Brian would probably cringe to hear... but like Freestone said "Behind closed doors, Freddie felt HE was Queen, or at least there could be no Queen without him. That's not to say Freddie didn't recognize the talents of the others, but he knew he was a key, if not thee key element." I agree. |
| kohuept 03.11.2006 14:59 |
First, I meant that reading into certain statements caused the Brian-bashing threads, not you. Everything you said makes sense, but expecting Brian to rave about Freddie all of the time is a bit much. Doesn't it make sense that he would be more excited about discussing his own contributions since, if for no other reason, he is more knowledgable about them? I've read/heard that George Harrison didn't really like talking about The Beatles, but as soon as the conversation shifted to his solo stuff, he would light up and be chatty. Imagine if everyone kept telling you that the best thing you've ever done happened 30 years ago. Even if Brian is "downplaying Freddie's contributions" like you (and others) claim, I tend to think it's because there really isn't that much for him to say on the subject so he tries to shift the conversation to something he can contribute to - what he did in Queen. |
| Bobby_brown 03.11.2006 16:53 |
Correct me if i´m wrong, i´m writing from memory: Innuendo- RT I´M going Slightly Mad- FM Headlong- BM I Can´t Live With You- BM Don´t Try So Hard- JD & FM Ride The Wild Wind- RT These Are The Days of Our Lives- RT Delilah- FM All Gods People- FM Bijou- FM Hitman- BM The Show Must Go On- BM And don´t forget the amount of work that was put on "TSMGO" by Brian. In the final days they were a GROUP, and in those situations (Freddie´s illness) it´s difficult to bring something good out of you! Even though Freddie and Brian and Roger were the most creatives ones, it´s unfair for example to put down John Deacon, because John basslines were what gave the extra flavour on "IGSM" "TATDOOL" and "AGP". The reason why Brian says that Freddie wanted them to write anything so he could sing, was for people outside to know that freddie knew the time was coming, and he could no longer concentrate on writing anymore. He was too weak! Take care |
| Asterik 03.11.2006 17:10 |
Bobby_brown wrote: Correct me if i´m wrong, i´m writing from memory: Innuendo- RT I´M going Slightly Mad- FM Headlong- BM I Can´t Live With You- BM Don´t Try So Hard- JD & FM Ride The Wild Wind- RT These Are The Days of Our Lives- RT Delilah- FM All Gods People- FM Bijou- FM Hitman- BM The Show Must Go On- BM Take careIt's interesting thatJohn Deacon's smaller song writing role and Freddie's larger writing role co-incided with a return to form for Queen. AS far as I'm aware, Fred wrote Innuendo too, with Roger contributing lyrics. |
| Scott_Mercury 03.11.2006 23:30 |
Bobby_brown wrote: Correct me if i´m wrong, i´m writing from memory: Innuendo- RT I´M going Slightly Mad- FM Headlong- BM I Can´t Live With You- BM Don´t Try So Hard- JD & FM Ride The Wild Wind- RT These Are The Days of Our Lives- RT Delilah- FM All Gods People- FM Bijou- FM Hitman- BM The Show Must Go On- BM Even though Freddie and Brian and Roger were the most creatives ones, it´s unfair for example to put down John Deacon, because John basslines were what gave the extra flavour on "IGSM" "TATDOOL" and "AGP".Innuendo is 95% Freddie's, with some last minute ideas on lyrics from Roger. Roger told MODERN DRUMMER magazine in a 1991 interview that "the first single off the new album is Freddie's, and we have invited Steve Howe to play a classical piece in the middle." It should be noted that Steve Howe's complete solo in the middle of Innuendo was written by Freddie.....Steve tabbed it out for himself on guitar, Steve Howe told GFTPM magazine in 1998 what it was like to work with Queen 7 years earlier, he said "Freddie was the consumate professional, when I came in, he showed me note for note what he wanted played, and jokingly said, don't screw this up dear, I'll never forgive you." So... Innuendo = Freddie Don't try so hard = All Freddie (this John helped rumor was laid to rest by the engineer in the studio) TSMGO = Song is Brian's, chord arrangement of the verses is John & Roger. John felt the song could be awesome, but hated Brian's demo of it...he thought he could make it better, Brian agreed with the changes. I agree with the other listings you have, and these are supported by Sebastian as well. To call John not as creative as the others is a misguided statement. John simply had a different writing approach. Whereas Fred & Brian cranked out material at a fast rate, some brilliant, some just ok.... John was more calculated and thoughtful with his thoughts, and shy about presenting them to the group. When John did speak up though.... He brought us: Spread Your Wings Your My Best Friend Another One Bites The Dust I want To break free You and I In Only Seven Days Need Your Loving Tonight Backchat All some of the core Queen fanbase favorite songs. |
| Adam Baboolal 04.11.2006 06:47 |
Scott_Mercury wrote: TSMGO = Song is Brian's, chord arrangement of the verses is John & Roger. John felt the song could be awesome, but hated Brian's demo of it...he thought he could make it better, Brian agreed with the changes.This is the first time I've ever heard this statement. About John and Roger, I mean. Where did you find this? It doesn't make sense to me because of this chord arrangement business. It's the same from intro till outro, with little different bits at some points. Adam. |
| Asterik 04.11.2006 08:20 |
When John did speak up though.... He brought us: Spread Your Wings Your My Best Friend Another One Bites The Dust I want To break free You and I In Only Seven Days Need Your Loving Tonight Backchat All some of the core Queen fanbase favorite songs. He also gave us Cool Cat, Pain/Pleasure, my baby Does Me, Rain Must Fall, and If You Can't beat Them.. oh and One year of Love too. He is to blame along with Freddie for Queen pursuing a disco line in the 1980s, which wa sok in moderation but no more. |
| Bobby_brown 04.11.2006 10:57 |
Adam Baboolal wrote:Yes, i´ve never heard that too!Scott_Mercury wrote: TSMGO = Song is Brian's, chord arrangement of the verses is John & Roger. John felt the song could be awesome, but hated Brian's demo of it...he thought he could make it better, Brian agreed with the changes.This is the first time I've ever heard this statement. About John and Roger, I mean. Where did you find this? It doesn't make sense to me because of this chord arrangement business. It's the same from intro till outro, with little different bits at some points. Adam. What i read at the soapbox, not long ago, was Brian saying that he was struggling hard to get the right chord progressions. He felt the song had real potencial, but he never mentioned the John or Roger input!- I think he even stated that the inspiration was "Canon in D" by Pachelbell. About Innuendo, i don´t know about that 1991 interview, what is common sense is: Roger started the bolero beat at the drums and then the band joined in; Freddie played the keyboards and probably came out with the chords; I think that Greg Brooks said that there is a fantastic demo tape with other member of the band singing Innuendo (correct me if i´m wrong), so i don´t think it was a last minute contribuition. I´t´s well known that the author of the song would demoed for Freddie, so...i don´t know what to think about this one. Don´t get me wrong but Queen members contradict themeselves over the years with the who wrote it topic. Who wrote "Under Prssure"?- I have at least three different opinions from them, so... Take care |
| The Real Wizard 04.11.2006 22:38 |
r_m88 wrote: I have found this on a french site about Queen : It's a beautiful day : recorded in 1980 Made in heaven : New version of Freddie's song Let me live : demo with Rod Stewart during the Hot Space sessions Mother love : New song My life has been saved : New version of the B-side of the "Scandal" single I was born to love you : New version of Freddie's song Heaven for everyone : New version of The Cross' song already sang by Freddie Too much live will kill you : New song You don't fool me : New song A winter's tale : New song Do you agree ?That looks about right! Except for TMLWKY, which was from The Miracle sessions for sure. Lester Burnham wrote:I think you need to be just a slight bit more clear, Lester. I didn't get your point. Try some different languages, perhaps? Gibberish would be a good start. Honestly people, just listen to Freddie's voice with your own two ears. Does he sound like the Hot Space Freddie, or does he sound like Innuendo Freddie? They are almost two completely different voices.mircal wrote: Yes there is some valid points but i have known of YDFM being written in the HOT SPACE sessions long before GH3 came out, i never even paid attention to that.IT. WAS. NOT. WRITTEN. DURING. SESSIONS. FOR. HOT. SPACE. IT. WAS. WRITTEN. AND. RECORDED. DURING. 1991. READ. ZEBONKA12'S. POST. AGAIN. BECAUSE. IT. IS. CORRECT. NOT. ALL. DANCE. SONGS. WERE. WRITTEN. OR. RECORDED. DURING. SESSIONS. FOR. HOT. SPACE. Scott_Mercury wrote: It should be noted that Steve Howe's complete solo in the middle of Innuendo was written by Freddie.....Steve tabbed it out for himself on guitar, Steve Howe told GFTPM magazine in 1998 what it was like to work with Queen 7 years earlier, he said "Freddie was the consumate professional, when I came in, he showed me note for note what he wanted played, and jokingly said, don't screw this up dear, I'll never forgive you."Haha, I love that. Steve Howe is the man! A brilliant musician. |
| Adam Baboolal 05.11.2006 08:09 |
Steve rocks for sure!! |
| john bodega 05.11.2006 08:32 |
I thought Hitman was a Freddie song? Don't hit me too hard, it's just what I remember. |
| beautifulsoup 05.11.2006 21:20 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I thought Hitman was a Freddie song? Don't hit me too hard, it's just what I remember.I have a demo snippet with Brian singing it - which doesn't prove anything, I guess. But I thought maybe it was his song. ? |
| Jimmy Dean 06.11.2006 04:07 |
Going back to the discussion of You Don't Fool Me... I think this was written back during the hot space sessions, except it was rewritten during the Montreaux sessions. The Montreux version has a dark sound to it, as the chords are mostly in minors. I would think that this was originally written in an up-tempo sounding meoldy, closer to Staying Power, and Dancer. Body Language and YDFM bear similar qualities. My guess is the original version of YDFM they came up with was unfinished and shelved since Body Language was a stronger composition at the time. Having both YDFM and Body Language would leave YDFM to be the obvious filler. Now if I stretch my imagination a little further, the song may have resurfaced during the Miracle sessions, as YDFM could have possibly fit on the album...My Baby Does Me, Rain Must Fall, they have the same Miracle "atmosphere". There may have been an attempt to rework the song then, and that may have reserfaced during the Montreux sessions alongside Too Much Love Will Kill You and My Life Has Been Saved, among others. When recording during the Montreux sessions, they must have reworked the song and changed the key to fit the darker sounding nature of the album. This is just my take on this mysterious YDFM-Hot Space theory. I have absolutely no source to back me up! |
| Lester Burnham 06.11.2006 08:25 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: This is just my take on this mysterious YDFM-Hot Space theory. I have absolutely no source to back me up!Sigh... “As I remember, the bare bones of this song (and they were very bare!) were put down in the last sessions we did with Freddie in Montreux. When it came to piecing together Made In Heaven, the album, David Richards was keen to make the fragments into a finished song. I wasn’t sure there was enough to work on! He got a long way with weaving textures around the vocal sections we had, stretching things out a little. I think both Roger and John, who had had a lot to do with those original fragments in the beginning, went in and added some ideas. There came a point where finally I got enthusiastic, and I spent a day or so, with Dave, putting down a lot of different riffy ideas that came to me while listening to the rough mix so far. Dave then moved a lot of things around, and worked his magic (mixing is his specialty – he ‘rescued’ a lot of stuff in the past, including Duran Duran tracks, for instance) – and then we all sat around and said, ‘Didn’t we just play that perfectly!’ Well, that’s probably an oversimplification, but there you have it!” That's from Brian, sometime in 2004. There's concrete proof - straight from the guitarist's fingers - as opposed to a theory with no evidence to support it. Can we finally put this to rest? |
| Sebastian 06.11.2006 09:02 |
> Body Language and YDFM bear similar qualities So do 'Seaside Rendezvous' and loads of songs in the 1920s and it doesn't mean Freddie wrote the track two decades before being born. 'Fool Me' harks back to the Hot Space era in the same way we can say 'Need Your Loving' harks back (for some extent) to the Beatles era and 'Procession' harks back to the 17th century. Anyway, there seems to be a lot of confusion around these topics, so I decided to clear them up a bit: Who wrote what: Indeed Freddie was still the dominant songwriter, the only songs he didn't have significative input were Scandal, Invisible Man, Breakthru (except the intro), I Want It All, Headlong, I Can't Live With You, Show Must Go On, Ride The Wild Wind, My Life Has Been Saved, Hijack my Heart and Days Of Our Lives. All the rest from Miracle onwards were written or co-written by Freddie. John making changes to a demo: It happened with Hitman, not Show, and it doesn't mean he "hated" it. Innuendo as 95% Freddie's: It wasn't quite that way. He was indeed the chief songwriter, but the others contributed much more than just 5%. You Don't Fool Me, Mother Love and Winter's Tale are the only songs recorded after Innuendo. The rest of Made In Heaven is a compilation which included a previously unreleased song from 1980, some solo efforts put now as Queen tracks and a B-Side. Indeed Mother Love and Winter's Tale overlapped. |
| Jimmy Dean 06.11.2006 10:47 |
Lester Burnham wrote:Hey, good enough for me! I still like my thinking process ;) YDFM is from the Montreux sessions! Ok, back to the discussion on whether BohRhap was about AIDS (joke!).Jimmy Dean wrote: This is just my take on this mysterious YDFM-Hot Space theory. I have absolutely no source to back me up!Sigh... That's from Brian, sometime in 2004. There's concrete proof - straight from the guitarist's fingers - as opposed to a theory with no evidence to support it. Can we finally put this to rest? |
| Jimmy Dean 06.11.2006 11:00 |
Sebastian wrote: > Body Language and YDFM bear similar qualities So do 'Seaside Rendezvous' and loads of songs in the 1920s and it doesn't mean Freddie wrote the track two decades before being born. 'Fool Me' harks back to the Hot Space era in the same way we can say 'Need Your Loving' harks back (for some extent) to the Beatles era and 'Procession' harks back to the 17th century.Think I'm an idiot, eh? If the only proof I had at the time that YDFM came from the Hot Space session, I decided to use THAT era of songs written by QUEEN as my scope. Every one of Queen's songs were influenced by another at any point in time that precedes the song: Another One Bites the Dust's bass riff from Chic, Under Pressure OBVIOUSLY was John's attempt to copy Vanilla Ice (joke), etc... In fact, most music we listen to have African origins. Beatles --Elvis --> African American R&B (Johnson, Leadbelly, etc...) --> African (tribal beats, call & response and so on). Oh yes, and thank you Lester for clearing that up, I appreciate the quote. |
| mircal 06.11.2006 19:21 |
Jimmy Dean wrote:Hey Jimmy,Sebastian wrote: > Body Language and YDFM bear similar qualities So do 'Seaside Rendezvous' and loads of songs in the 1920s and it doesn't mean Freddie wrote the track two decades before being born. 'Fool Me' harks back to the Hot Space era in the same way we can say 'Need Your Loving' harks back (for some extent) to the Beatles era and 'Procession' harks back to the 17th century.Think I'm an idiot, eh? If the only proof I had at the time that YDFM came from the Hot Space session, I decided to use THAT era of songs written by QUEEN as my scope. Every one of Queen's songs were influenced by another at any point in time that precedes the song: Another One Bites the Dust's bass riff from Chic, Under Pressure OBVIOUSLY was John's attempt to copy Vanilla Ice (joke), etc... In fact, most music we listen to have African origins. Beatles --Elvis --> African American R&B (Johnson, Leadbelly, etc...) --> African (tribal beats, call & response and so on). Oh yes, and thank you Lester for clearing that up, I appreciate the quote. I dont think your the idiot, if you look up the dictionary you will find the dudes who replied to you are the idiots. And its not from there knowledge on queen either. I cant see why millions of fans cant express them self's and there thoughts and be respected. Its like a fucking star-wars convetion. Shit... i know what you mean, yes the three songs do fall in to that same vibe. Yes Sebastian, freddie went wrote 'Seaside Rendezvous' long before he was born, just like you were born long before the fuk with birth controll was brought out, christ where is the depth in half the peoples mind's here. Now, i am getting some popcorn and coke and awaiting replys from the most smartest people here to tell me am i am wrong and ect ect ect ect!!! |
| john bodega 07.11.2006 02:36 |
So what.... You are arguing that it wasn't recorded in circa 82, but WRITTEN back then? Dodgiest assertion ever! Thanks for the laugh guys. Unless you've got the original lined paper that the lyrics were written on (with a cute little 'August 1982' scribbled in the corner) then you really haven't got a lot to rely on. One can assume that You Don't Fool Me is wholly a 90's tune. The vocals obviously come from circa 91 because thats the condition of his voice at that time. The lyrics are sparse, basic - if he'd had TEN YEARS TO WRITE THEM they'd probably have been more fleshed out by then. If a band is turning out songs like A Winter's Tale and Innuendo, all while a man is deteriorating from HIV and receiving painful blood transfusions.... why would he keep a sheet of paper with 'You don't fool me, la la la la la' in a drawer for 10 years before recording it? Wouldn't it have been more finished up by then? No. It's simple. The song was just a basic song idea that Freddie started recording, and never finished it. Brian, Roger, John and Dave Richards got together and orchestrated something good out of it. Plain and simple - and it all began sometime in 90-91. The idea that it comes from the early 80's isn't even that strong anyway. What, all dance songs come from 1982 now? Haha. Melodically, it's not even that closely related to anything on Hot Space. It has a simple bassline and a doompf doompf beat and all of a sudden, it can't have been written in 1991?? I would never stoop so low as to call you guys retards. But you might want to use your noggins, use a bit of logic, realise that this YDFM = 1982 assertion is clear bullshit, and *move along*. |
| Jimmy Dean 07.11.2006 03:25 |
Zebonka12 wrote: So what.... You are arguing that it wasn't recorded in circa 82, but WRITTEN back then? Dodgiest assertion ever! Thanks for the laugh guys. Unless you've got the original lined paper that the lyrics were written on (with a cute little 'August 1982' scribbled in the corner) then you really haven't got a lot to rely on. I would never stoop so low as to call you guys retards. But you might want to use your noggins, use a bit of logic, realise that this YDFM = 1982 assertion is clear bullshit, and *move along*.No, not arguing, giving light to an official statement about the song orginating from the Hot Space sessions.First of all, "written" does not mean lyrics. It means music, I never said the words were written at all. I only added a theory that it may have been recorded as an outtake that was shelved. The version we hear is obviously from 90-91 as his voice would suggest. Also, no one has called us *retards*... but you were the first to call us crazy! thank you for your post, you have definitely proven yourself to be quite the intellectual one, haven't you. |
| M a t i a s M a y 07.11.2006 03:39 |
Zebonka12 wrote: The lyrics are sparse, basic - if he'd had TEN YEARS TO WRITE THEM they'd probably have been more fleshed out by then.LMAOOOOOOO That was epic |
| john bodega 07.11.2006 06:45 |
"Also, no one has called us *retards*... but you were the first to call us crazy! thank you for your post, you have definitely proven yourself to be quite the intellectual one, haven't you." Yes, yes I have, but I won't boast because you guys are hardly making it difficult! Let's work with another choice piece here... "No, not arguing" Looked like an argument to me, when people started swearing! "giving light to an official statement about the song orginating from the Hot Space sessions." But it wasn't an official statement. There never has been. There was a hokey comment written by God-knows-who in a booklet for a video compilation that it 'harked back' to an era when cheap dance music was supposedly more fashionable. Which is of course, utter nonsense. What they probably meant was that it was one of few dance numbers they'd tried making since Hot Space. "First of all, "written" does not mean lyrics. It means music, I never said the words were written at all." Funny. I thought music was 'composed'. In any case, it's all no-never-mind. Why would they make some of it up in the early 80s, then revisit it in 1991? I don't think there's any example of them doing that with any of their other songs? There is a precedent for this kind of behaviour, in the Beatles track "One After 909". Which was written in what, '59? Then recorded in '63 - and THEN finally redone for the 'Get Back' album (later renamed "Let It Be"). But it just doesn't make as much sense with You Don't Fool Me. Here was an unfinished song; hardly a piece of work with 10 years revision put into it. Listen to it - it's full of repeated vocals, overdubs by Brian and Roger; it is not something they spent a lot of time on (before Freddie died, that is). I might add, that Freddie himself said something like "I like to capture a song very quickly, while it's still fresh." He went on to talk about keeping it simple at first, and then adding all the fancy bits. But if a song didn't come quickly, he said, "Come on, forget it, let's try something else". I don't see him starting You Don't Fool Me in the early 80's, giving up on it, then trying to record it again. "I only added a theory that it may have been recorded as an outtake that was shelved." .. that's not a theory. Aren't most outtakes, uh.... shelved?? "The version we hear is obviously from 90-91 as his voice would suggest." Yes. |
| Sebastian 07.11.2006 08:18 |
> But it wasn't an official statement. There never has been. Indeed there has been: when David Richards (and Brian later on) implied that it was written AFTER Innuendo. > There was a hokey comment written by God-knows who in a booklet for a video compilation that it 'harked back' to an era when cheap dance music was supposedly more fashionable. And as I said, it doesn't mean it was written back then. For that matter Fred wrote 'Rendezvous' two decades before being born, and Brian composed 'Procession' before his great-grand-father was born. > Which is of course, utter nonsense. What they probably meant was that it was one of few dance numbers they'd tried making since Hot Space. Indeed. Otherwise, Paul McCartney composed 'Eleanor Rigby' in the 18th century! > I don't think there's any example of them doing that with any of their other songs? There are indeed, but of course with much less years of difference - 'Brighton Rock', 'Stone Cold Crazy' - yet that's not the point: it's been already confirmed that 'Fool Me' was written and recorded after 'Innuendo', and the fact it "harks back" to the 'Hot Space' era doesn't mean it was written back then. Otherwise Lennon composed 'Because' in the 19th century. |
| Jimmy Dean 07.11.2006 09:10 |
I am underway. I'm attempting to do a cover version of You Don't Fool Me with using nothing more than my penis... |
| john bodega 07.11.2006 11:42 |
"Indeed there has been: when David Richards (and Brian later on) implied that it was written AFTER Innuendo." Oh really? Crap, I must've missed that. However, I did have a point - my insinuation was that there has never been any official statement to the effect of the song being written in the early 80's. And there hasn't! "There are indeed, but of course with much less years of difference" Ah. Yeah, I was thinking in terms of a whole decade between writing & release. "I am underway. I'm attempting to do a cover version of You Don't Fool Me with using nothing more than my penis..." Well, if you can't beat 'em, make them laugh? |
| PALACE BOY 07.11.2006 12:08 |
Given the title of the thread, shouldn't THE very last song be No-One But You - the remaining members tribute? I know - I'm being picky - but no-one ever seems to mention the song, and I love it, because it's so under-produced - the complete opposite of Queen's normal stuff. I think FM would have laughed at the irony. |
| Sebastian 07.11.2006 13:02 |
NOBY is "another story", not actually a Queen song. |
| Jimmy Dean 07.11.2006 13:24 |
"I am underway. I'm attempting to do a cover version of You Don't Fool Me with using nothing more than my penis..." Well, if you can't beat 'em, make them laugh?Beat who? I am merely pointing out the fact that I'm arguing with an idiot. It was pointed out by Lester Burnham that Brian stated on his website back in 2004, that the song was done during the 90-91 period (this is after i posted my mesage). Had you read that, you would have realized all of your lengthy posts were actually useless. So kudos, I'll be the first to send you my penis song ;-) |
| Daveboy35 07.11.2006 13:35 |
I always thought You don't fool me came from the Sheer heart attack sessions well you learn something new every day on here don't you(yawns at sixhundreth topic on this), listen guys we can all speculate when and where things were recorded but let's wait for the OFFICIAL book with all sessions and when/where they were recorded. I personally reckon that YDFM came from the innuendo sessions as a skelton idea my theory behind it well for a start freddie's voice is different than the miracle and on par with some songs on innuendo(i'm going slightly mad would be a perfect example) but the hot space idea is a no go freddie's vocals then were brilliant. The last song would have been mother love but i have a suspicion that it is a winter's tale as freddie was in or around montreux until nov9th and then came back to the uk, seeing as christmas is almost there in his mind it was finished then. |
| PALACE BOY 07.11.2006 13:41 |
NOBY is "another story", not actually a Queen song. Funny - I have a Queen Cd single clearly labelling it as a Queen song. Got to number 20 in the UK as I recall. |
| mircal 07.11.2006 19:07 |
the real last song queen made was "norwegian wood" it was very experimental, thats the most far out song they ever did, i think they were influenced by the beatles. |
| ITSM 07.11.2006 21:04 |
I also think that "A Winter's Tale" was the last song Freddie ever sang... I have a commerical poster for "A Winter's Tale" from Norway, and there it says that it's the last song he sang. But I'm not sure, but I have belived it since November of 1995, 11 years that is. Time goes fast... |
| john bodega 07.11.2006 23:46 |
"Beat who? I am merely pointing out the fact that I'm arguing with an idiot. It was pointed out by Lester Burnham that Brian stated on his website back in 2004, that the song was done during the 90-91 period (this is after i posted my mesage). Had you read that, you would have realized all of your lengthy posts were actually useless. So kudos, I'll be the first to send you my penis song ;-)" So hang on, why did you persist to go on like a jackass then? What, in fact, was your point? I was just illustrating the manifest reasons that it wasn't in any way a Hot Space song - to the poor bumpkins of the forum. And I didn't even need a Brian May quote to do it! You aren't arguing with any idiots. Well maybe a couple. Not me though. And when we really get down to it, it was mircal who raised my ire, not you. Just because his lousy theories got shat on (and then disproven), he reckons there's no 'depth of thought' here... Haha. Nice. |
| August R. 08.11.2006 05:59 |
Let's drop this YDFM issue. By now, it should be clear to everyone that YDFM was written sometime in '90/'91. BUT, for me the real problem on MIH has always been LET ME LIVE. There are numerous stories about this song. Some say it's origins are in late 70's and that Rod Stewart had something to do with it (he's not credited on the album, though), others say it was originally recorded on The Works sessions, and now, someone wrote on this thread that it came from Hot Space sessions. What is the truth?? Further, what do we know about the writing process? How much of the song/lyrics were written earlier and how much were written on MIH sessions without Freddie? Who is the main author of this song? Some say it's originally Freddie's unfinished song but Roger wrote the additional lyrics (sung by Roger & Brian on the album) later to make the song complete. Is there any truth in this?? I know Let Me Live was NOT the last song by Queen, but I'd like to know more about this song as well. |
| john bodega 08.11.2006 08:46 |
With Let Me Live? The usual consensus is that the song is from 1983. A drunken collaboration. I can't really argue with that idea, his voice sounds about right (to be honest it sounds in similar condition to "It's a Beautiful Day", I guess he hadn't quite smoked his range away yet). There was a concern (I think close to when it was released?) that it might have been too similar to "Take a Little Piece of My Heart" or whatever that older song is called. (No kidding!). |
| Lester Burnham 08.11.2006 09:08 |
I remember reading on the fan club site ages ago (when Jacky used to update the pages every day) that 'Let Me Live' was recorded in Los Angeles on September 2, 1983, under the title of 'Another Little Piece Of My Heart', and that Rod Stewart and Jeff Beck had stopped by. It was mostly a jam, and in 1993/4/5, Brian, John, and Roger were able to flesh 90 seconds of that song into a five minute single. |
| Jimmy Dean 08.11.2006 11:39 |
Zebonka12 wrote: There was a concern (I think close to when it was released?) that it might have been too similar to "Take a Little Piece of My Heart" or whatever that older song is called. (No kidding!).I think I have that version somewhere. It was released on the iniitial copies of MIH and were later recalled due to copyright issues. They then edited the song to get rid of the world "Little" and subsequently put the album back on the market. I think that's how it went. |
| August R. 08.11.2006 15:24 |
Jimmy Dean wrote:I have the "banned version" as well, and a hell of a lot more than just one word is edited out.Zebonka12 wrote: There was a concern (I think close to when it was released?) that it might have been too similar to "Take a Little Piece of My Heart" or whatever that older song is called. (No kidding!).I think I have that version somewhere. It was released on the iniitial copies of MIH and were later recalled due to copyright issues. They then edited the song to get rid of the world "Little" and subsequently put the album back on the market. I think that's how it went. Anyway, thanks Zebonka and Lester! Any idea about the author of the song? Sebastian? Anybody? Or is this really one of those few occasions when our boys really wrote something together as Lester suggested? |
| mircal 08.11.2006 19:05 |
what was the 23rd song queen wrote and the 45th song freddie sang? |
| Jimmy Dean 08.11.2006 19:28 |
August R. wrote: I have the "banned version" as well, and a hell of a lot more than just one word is edited out.Really? I actually never noticed... which parts? |
| Sebastian 08.11.2006 20:46 |
Apparently, there's a manuscript with the lyrics and it's Roger's handwriting (part of the lyrics? the entire thing?). About the music ... no idea, had 'Days Of Our Lives' never existed I would've sworn it'd be definitely NOT Roger's, but I've got vague doubts actually... it COULD be Roger's, or anybody else's for that matter, the song's quite simple actually in terms of chords (not so much the form though, but it could be that Fred arranged a Roger's track like he did in 'Ga Ga' and 'Magic', but not co-wrote it per se). So that's a mystery ... what I'd love to know anyway is who scored the vocal parts for the choir? Neither Brian nor John nor Roger had any experience in arranging those kinds of gospel things, so did Fred leave the arrangements before he died or what on earth happened? |
| john bodega 09.11.2006 01:31 |
Well the question is - how high order would one consider the arranging for the gospel parts? Is it an advanced example of such orchestrations, or could Brian have simply lifted parts of the motif from examples he'd heard? I suppose it would be a more typically Freddie thing to do (they almost go barber shop at the start of Breakthru!). But I reckon, between the three of them (and Dave Richards and whoever else they wanted) they could mimic a simple gospel orchestration. I wonder! |
| Bobby_brown 09.11.2006 18:30 |
Sebastian wrote: So that's a mystery ... what I'd love to know anyway is who scored the vocal parts for the choir? Neither Brian nor John nor Roger had any experience in arranging those kinds of gospel things, so did Fred leave the arrangements before he died or what on earth happened?There are a lots of great ghospel leaders, and i think that Brian or Roger only gave the indication of the pretended result, that´s why i think they have based the ideas on the Janis Joplin´s version. It´s like the Somebody to Love version at the tribute. I don´t think Brian and Roger coached the backing vocals. There was a guy conducting the choir and probably he coached them based on the original track. On the other hand, you have a very similar choir on the "Barcelona" album in the song "The fallen Priest", but i don´t think Freddie had something to do with "Let me live". Take care |
| beautifulsoup 09.11.2006 18:38 |
"The Golden Boy." Definitely gospel-ish. |
| jasen101 09.11.2006 19:59 |
Not many know that at the end of track 13 you hear freddie say "fab"...actually turned out to be the last word ever recorded around November 1991. |
| john bodega 09.11.2006 21:34 |
jasen101 wrote: Not many know that at the end of track 13 you hear freddie say "fab"...actually turned out to be the last word ever recorded around November 1991.Anyone can tell that it's definitely a recording from later in his career, because his voice sounds older. Uhm - but who on earth told you it was the last recording, exactly? I've never heard it said before, that's all. |
| August R. 13.11.2006 07:48 |
Jimmy Dean wrote:The Intro:August R. wrote: I have the "banned version" as well, and a hell of a lot more than just one word is edited out.Really? I actually never noticed... which parts? Instead of "Take another little piece of my heart now baby, Take a piece of my heart, Take another little piece of my soul now baby, Take a piece of my soul" All we hear on the album version is: "Take a piece of my heart, Take a piece of my soul" Same lines are edited later in the song, as well, though the lyrics on the booklet still have the edited lines. After listening to the Banned Version, the album version sounds a bit hollow. |