on my way up 08.10.2006 08:27 |
I know there are people on this board that can say some intelligent things about this!!I hope people will judge open-minded, no blind pro-freddie comments please!!How does freddie rate when compared to other popular singers like Bono, Mick Jagger , Robert Plant , ...And only discuss the concert environment please!I want to see your opinions. I think he is good and better than most altough he is not as good as in the studio! I'm a big fan but I think he often lacked range and he could have sung with more guts(more variations) |
thomasquinn 32989 08.10.2006 08:41 |
Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise. |
FreMe 08.10.2006 08:46 |
I have to say that I'm not a big live fan :/.. I get disapointed with Freddies live voice almost every time I hear it. I know that it's pretty impossible to sing clear when you're running around like a bat out of hell, but still.. I dont really like Queen live :p |
on my way up 08.10.2006 09:33 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise.The names I cited were just examples.I want to hear other people's opinions about vocalists they know and they consider to be great compared.Then compare these to freddie.There are of course more singers than these ones(and probably better ones). |
on my way up 08.10.2006 09:35 |
thanks for your contribution though, it was the way I want it:-) |
on my way up 08.10.2006 09:37 |
I agree about Plant.'How the west was won' is incredible.I recently purchased it and it is fantastic!!He sings all these song with great range and power and emotion!! After '73 his voice never recovered from what I've heard. |
Bono Mercury 08.10.2006 09:56 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise.How dare you say that Bono is a walking disaster he is one of the greats and still is any way you always throw jibes at my threads so its paqyback time |
Bono Mercury 08.10.2006 09:57 |
I ment payback time |
Mercuryking 08.10.2006 10:13 |
NO ONE , can even come near the energy , the range and the beautyness of freddies voice Freddie was GOD Everyother singer , is just an ordinary singer compared to freddie. Live or studio, doesnt matter. Period. |
Mercuryking 08.10.2006 10:17 |
And by the way , bono is a talentless piece of garbage. He cant sing , cant write he should work at 7eleven. To even compare fred to BONOO!? haha funniest thing ive ever EVER heard. Plus that garbage is a member of the Illuminati secret sociaety, he acts like this jesus guy and cares bout africa , but the money comes right into his and the elites pockets. |
Leaky Luke 08.10.2006 10:41 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: NO ONE , can even come near the energy , the range and the beautyness of freddies voice Freddie was GOD Everyother singer , is just an ordinary singer compared to freddie. Live or studio, doesnt matter. Period.thanks for your narrow minded opinion. Freddie was good, but not the best... to be honest I think "specialist" when it comes to vocals will never agree on who is the best, as it is quite impossible to decide. My favourite singers are already mentioned by ThomasQuinn |
Leaky Luke 08.10.2006 10:42 |
"specialists" |
on my way up 08.10.2006 10:52 |
This should be an open-minded thread where queenfans talk about live-performances. I'm a huge fan of freddie but I agree that he wasn't the best live-singer on a technical level.When one listens to other singers they'll agree. I just want to hear opinions about other vocalists so I know I can check them out and widen my horizons. |
The Real Wizard 08.10.2006 10:53 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: NO ONE , can even come near the energy , the range and the beautyness of freddies voice Freddie was GOD Everyother singer , is just an ordinary singer compared to freddie. Live or studio, doesnt matter. Period.Three cheers for open-mindedness. Range? Have you heard the Jazz tour concerts? In most of them, Freddie barely expanded beyond octave, because he COULDN'T! And this is before he started smoking. Combine a lack of range with a raspy ashtray for vocal cords, and this is Freddie in most 1984-85 shows. He got a bit better for 86, so perhaps he had quit smoking, if he had already learned about his AIDS infection by then. It's a fact that more often than not, Freddie was not a great singer live. He was always a great entertainer, but at least half of Queen's concerts had Freddie in only partial voice. He simply did not take care of it. When you've listened to 300 bootlegs, maybe you'll agree. He had his amazing concerts, but just as many terrible ones too. It's difficult for me to compare Freddie to other vocalists in concert, because there's no other band I have this many bootlegs of. The only one that comes close is Zeppelin... I have about 150 of those. From 69-72, Robert Plant was a machine... absolutely unstoppable. But then he got pretty heavy into drugs, and his voice went down about an octave by 1975. From late 72 until the present day, Plant has been an up and down singer. But he got that throat operation done after the Presence album was recorded, and suddenly he was in great voice again for the 77 US tour. He still had a few bad shows, but overall, 77 was a much better year for Plant than 75. |
Nandeke 08.10.2006 11:23 |
There're more great live vocalist,like Steve Perry (Journey) or Roland Orzabal (Tears for Fears).But i have to say that you can't compare one singer with another one. |
radio_what's_new 08.10.2006 11:30 |
-I really like Frank Sinatras voice.... -I don't like Bonos voice...technical it's really weak. -Altough I don't like the genre or his music I think that Andrea Bocelli has a good voice. -The singer from electric six has a cool voice too, not a real good one, but it sounds nice. -Rod Stewart has a cool voice -The singer from the Killers has a good voice too. |
radio_what's_new 08.10.2006 11:42 |
-I really like Frank Sinatra as a singer, great cool, old fashioned sound. having said that I don't understand why people on here only mention old rock stars from decades ago...There are some good new singers, but you must not expect a second Freddie Mercury....Too me a singer has to have a cool and good sounding voice which fits with the music his band makes... It doesn't matter if it's not perfect...it's only rock and roll and it certainly isn't art. otherwise you can only listen to opera, those singers are REALLY good. I think that some people on this board overestimate Queen too much. Queen was a great band with a great singer...But will people listen to it 100 years from now on? Maybe a couple of songs, but that's it. |
7 seas of Rhye 08.10.2006 11:54 |
I don't think Freddie's voice was great live because it didn't need to be. When people want to hear good singing, they buy the album. When they want to be entertained, they see a concert. Freddie still could sing fine in concert. He had an incredible voice, very powerful in the 80's. But when he was in concert, I think his main concern was to entertain the crowd which we all know he did an amazing job of. |
stateside fan 08.10.2006 12:10 |
i think if you compared todays singers only Chris Cornell(audioslave/soundgarden) and even at times Scott Weiland(velvet revolver) could be mentioned in the same sentence as Freddie.As far as the singers from 70's and 80's only Steve Perry could compare range wise although the kind of music they played(Journey)was built to protect him from live screw ups and also kinda sucked.Freddie's vocal skills are the reason the Band and this site even exist IMHO. |
Rick 08.10.2006 12:18 |
Hmm, he cannot beat Brian Wilson in his early years (the 60's in general.) Later one he found his voice again (due to all his personal problems), especially his solo tours were always great. This is all about Brian Wilson live. He could reach damn high notes in the 60's. In this perspective I like Brian much more then Freddie. Freddie was good live, especially in the early stage of Queen, because the performance itself (vocally, musically) was the most important by then. Late 70's and 80's Queen were more focusing on entertainment and show too. Freddie wasn't really a singer then (there are exceptions offcourse), but an performer/entertainer. Queen became bombastic, talking about lights, smoke-effects etc. |
on my way up 08.10.2006 12:40 |
I agree with most comments. Freddie's voice wasn't well trained. But I think we have to give him credit for uniquenes and beauty, much more than range!It will always be a difficult discussion because you have to taken so many elements into account. When you love his voice , you will enjoy listening to him more than you do with other artists.That makes that some people are blind for his flaws. To me he certainly is up there with the best because he is totally unique!!! |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 12:48 |
<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise.hahahahaha shut the fuck up, wanker |
Mr.Jingles 08.10.2006 12:53 |
Bono extends his vocal abilities beyond it's limits, and that makes him sound fuckin' horrible. He attempts falsettos when he fails miserably at hitting high notes. He literally ruined 'The Sweetest Thing' and other U2 songs for trying too much. The good thing is that nowdays he does this far less now than he did back in the 90s. Bono is a great singer and performer as long as he stays within what his voice allows him to do. The other singers that I can think of who might come close to singing as high as Freddie are Jeff Buckley, Marc Anthony, Mick Hucknall (Simply Red), Robert Plant (back in the early Led Zeppelin days), Steve Perry, George Michael, Steven Tyler, and Matt Bellamy. |
Maruga 08.10.2006 12:58 |
My opinion is Ian Gillan is tied in first place with Freddie. Gillan had a extraordinary voice... you can notice in studio and live gigs. Also Freddie was a showman like Robert Plant, but Freddie was better in that. My ranking is: 1. Ian Gillan and Freddie Mercury. 2. Robert Plant. 3. Bono. 4. Mick Jagger. 5. Roger Daltrey. |
unknown 08.10.2006 13:07 |
In the post-war popular music genre, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley and some other 50s music singers&performers are/were naturally technically better than Freddie and can be counted to the greatest voices of all time (note: in the post-war pop music genre). Freddie had an amazing voice and great talents, but he had no vocal training. If he would have been trained, he really could have sounded "like God". Or he would have become an opera singer. |
Maruga 08.10.2006 13:16 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria k. wrote: In the post-war popular music genre, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley and some other 50s music singers&performers are/were naturally technically better than Freddie and can be counted to the greatest voices of all time (note: in the post-war pop music genre). Freddie had an amazing voice and great talents, but he had no vocal training. If he would have been trained, he really could have sounded "like God". Or he would have become an opera singer.You're right... i forgot to mention the "non-rock" vocalist... balad singers, such as Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. These three singers were AMAZING... the shows they made were excellent. Elvis Presley is another case, because he was EXTRAORDINARY... also i like Jerry Lee Lewis. |
deleted user 08.10.2006 13:31 |
Live, yes, Freddie was a GOOD singer, however on an album he sounded excellent and almost unequalled by vocal terms. Freddie had a fantastic voice no doubting that, but he was an even better showman. And this shows up live. He needed his showman ship, particularly during his performances at Wembley in 1986, listening to him singing 'I Want to Break Free' in particular sticks out like a sore thumb in my memory. Throughout the 80's (I'm going to exclude Live Aid for now) Freddie's live voice wasn't in the best of shape and he relied pretty heavily on Roger to help out with high notes and so on (it had always been that way but more so during 80's tours) but it didn't matter because his best times as a showman were in the 80s. He wasn't disimilar to Robbie Williams, able to deliver a song fantastically, with or without a good voice and have the audience eating out of the palm of your hand regardless (provided that, in the Robster's case, the song wasn't WATC or WWRY). Mick Jagger, although his voice IMO, isn't as good as Freddie's in studio, can also be compared to Freddie for his supreme showman skills. Those two are possibly THE best frontmen of all time. (I've heard great reviews about Roger Daltrey and Robert Plant, but the only time I've seen them live is on video, from Freddie Mercury's Tribute Concert, all I can gather is that they are great frontmen) In the 70's Freddie did sound good, and looked great, it makes me jealous of all those who had the chance to see Queen live at the Rainbow, a fantastic concert from the sound of this. Freddie's problem was his vocal nodes, so taking that into consideration he was a VERY good vocalist live and Queen sounded great live, loud, just like a great rock band should! On a good night he sounded no worse than Jagger or David Bowie. It's hard to compare Freddie to others because every frontman has his own unique way of doing things. Just look at an early David Bowie-sorry, Ziggy Stardust- concert. |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 13:53 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria k. wrote: In the post-war popular music genre, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley and some other 50s music singers&performers are/were naturally technically better than Freddie and can be counted to the greatest voices of all time (note: in the post-war pop music genre). Freddie had an amazing voice and great talents, but he had no vocal training. If he would have been trained, he really could have sounded "like God". Or he would have become an opera singer.no |
Rick 08.10.2006 13:53 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:No need to be that harsh. He has an opinion, you have one. If you don't agree with him, that's too bad. Calling names is not the solution.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise.hahahahaha shut the fuck up, wanker Let's see, did you contribute to this topic? *searches* Nope, you didn't. So in this case you are a wanker, but I don't say it. Just think before you post, please. No hard feelings or whatsoever, just my two cents. |
yury2 08.10.2006 15:04 |
I really like the voice of Duran Duran lead vocalist Simon le bone (think I'm correct) Technically he sings much better than Freddie. I saw a live show of Duran Duran recently, they played almost all the songs from their last album 'Astonaut' So, I must say that I didn't found a difference in the way he sang the songs.He performed the songs with the same quality of singing like in album. Freddie never took vocal lessons, thats why he couldn't sing good live. Than you learn to sing, than your vocal technics is right, so it doesn't matter how many songs you're going to sing. You can control your voice... |
pow wow 08.10.2006 15:19 |
yury2 wrote: I really like the voice of Duran Duran lead vocalist Simon le bone (think I'm correct) Technically he sings much better than Freddie. I saw a live show of Duran Duran recently, they played almost all the songs from their last album 'Astonaut' So, I must say that I didn't found a difference in the way he sang the songs.He performed the songs with the same quality of singing like in album. Freddie never took vocal lessons, thats why he couldn't sing good live. Than you learn to sing, than your vocal technics is right, so it doesn't matter how many songs you're going to sing. You can control your voice...Compare Freddie's & Simon's performance at Live Aid - I think you may change your mind. Probably an unfair comparison, but I've always thought Simon Le Bon could never hold a note. |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 15:51 |
<font color=blue>Rick wrote:I don't feel like posting, so I will do what I fucking wantM a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:No need to be that harsh. He has an opinion, you have one. If you don't agree with him, that's too bad. Calling names is not the solution. Let's see, did you contribute to this topic? *searches* Nope, you didn't. So in this case you are a wanker, but I don't say it. Just think before you post, please. No hard feelings or whatsoever, just my two cents.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise.hahahahaha shut the fuck up, wanker on the other hand, Casper is just a moron and knows shit about music, it's always great to make fun of how little he knows :) |
My Melancholy Blues 08.10.2006 15:56 |
<b><font color=B22222>daria k. wrote: In the post-war popular music genre, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley and some other 50s music singers&performers are/were naturally technically better than Freddie and can be counted to the greatest voices of all time (note: in the post-war pop music genre). Freddie had an amazing voice and great talents, but he had no vocal training. If he would have been trained, he really could have sounded "like God". Or he would have become an opera singer.I agree. Once I searched standard masterpieces and I noticed that Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley can be counted in them and I wonder what Freddie would have recorded if he had had vocal training. By the way, everytime I watch the tribute concert, I notice that their way of singing makes songs sound other ones, not Queen songs, and not extraordinary, not outrageous not flamboyant as Freddie's. I have to say all Queen songs can be more Queen songs only when Freddie sings. |
Mercuryking 08.10.2006 16:20 |
im not narrow minded , i only tell the truth. You jackasses cant compare anyother singers to freddie cause freddie is the only singer that sings with full power all out all the time every concert, thats why his voice cracks up and not to mention he is running around like an gymnastics guy in a circus while he sings . Those other singers all sing with no power AT ALL and offcourse they will all hit higher notes.Thats no pressure on their voices. TO me they ALL suckk cause their music nor their voice have energy. Energy is everything and freddie had all the energy you could get. Get your facts straight before talking again. |
Rick 08.10.2006 16:23 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:I think talking to a tree makes more sense here. I rest my case.<font color=blue>Rick wrote:I don't feel like posting, so I will do what I fucking want on the other hand, Casper is just a moron and knows shit about music, it's always great to make fun of how little he knows :)M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:No need to be that harsh. He has an opinion, you have one. If you don't agree with him, that's too bad. Calling names is not the solution. Let's see, did you contribute to this topic? *searches* Nope, you didn't. So in this case you are a wanker, but I don't say it. Just think before you post, please. No hard feelings or whatsoever, just my two cents.<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise.hahahahaha shut the fuck up, wanker |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 16:36 |
fuck you, cocksucker |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 16:36 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: im not narrow minded , i only tell the truth. You jackasses cant compare anyother singers to freddie cause freddie is the only singer that sings with full power all out all the time every concert, thats why his voice cracks up and not to mention he is running around like an gymnastics guy in a circus while he sings . Those other singers all sing with no power AT ALL and offcourse they will all hit higher notes.Thats no pressure on their voices. TO me they ALL suckk cause their music nor their voice have energy. Energy is everything and freddie had all the energy you could get. Get your facts straight before talking again.oh, shut up |
Mercuryking 08.10.2006 16:44 |
offcourse you cant understand this , cause your brain is as little as an peanut. Noone have as much power as freddie live or in studio, NOONE Bono, robert plant or whoever you like , you name them , they are all averge singers compared. Freddie is on the topp of the mountain They are in the gutter somewhere . |
Asterik 08.10.2006 17:11 |
<font color=FFFFOO>FreMe Mercury wrote: I have to say that I'm not a big live fan :/.. I get disapointed with Freddies live voice almost every time I hear it. I know that it's pretty impossible to sing clear when you're running around like a bat out of hell, but still.. I dont really like Queen live :pWell that is a crackers statement. How can you possibly say that when most of Queen's songs e.g AKOM, UP, DOTL burst into life on stage? That's balmy, Queen live were raucous, gloriously unsubtle and completely energetic. Freddie's live voice, though more flawed than in the studio took to new height sof expression live, just listen to the impromptus in the Magic tour era. You fail absolutely to comprehend the need to be a diferent animal live; as brian May said if you are going to stick rigidly to arrangements you may as well just play the tape sover the PA. |
deleted user 08.10.2006 17:15 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: im not narrow minded , i only tell the truth. You jackasses cant compare anyother singers to freddie cause freddie is the only singer that sings with full power all out all the time every concert, thats why his voice cracks up and not to mention he is running around like an gymnastics guy in a circus while he sings .So does Mick Jagger, the running around like a 'gymnastics guy in a circus' bit I mean (what crap analogy, you could have said anything 'rushing around' or 'dancing around but no! You decided to be clever!) I apologise for not using your full quote but it does sound like you are biased on behalf of Freddie, there is nothing wrong of course with genuinely believing that Freddie is the greatest live SINGER as opposed to FRONTMAN there ever was, if you'd put your reasoning and opinions across in an honest way then no-one except the assholes here would give you any flak. But comparing everyone else here to 'jackasses' and saying every other frontman 'suckk' is silly and childish as is stating everyone else has their facts wrong whilst telling us about the lack of 'power and energy' of other vocalists. That is a rather idiotic thing to say. I'm not suggesting for a moment you are wrong about Freddie, in actual fact you made some good points which I agree with vis a vis Freddie's power at a concert, but you put them out the wrong way, writing off all other singers with nothing but a generalisation and trying to belittle other people, it's an interesting thread with some very interesting comments. Yours COULD have been one of them but it wasn't. and look: if the jackasses comment was a joke I'm sorry for going off on one like that. Still make it clear you're joking next time yes? |
Asterik 08.10.2006 17:23 |
Well Bono certainly doen't compare, at least not now. I liked his Zoo Tv voice which had quite a lot of depth and range; his falsetto on lemon on the Sydney DVD was very strong and he his rendition of With or Without You was excellent, using the full power and depth of the voice. However an awful lot of his range has disappeared from both the top and bottom end so he now sounds very restricted and whiney, his voice cracks a lot when reaching high notes, he rarely attempts to hold notes with any force and he no longer has that famous breathy quality either because he seems unable to get down into the lower ranges. Therefore he rarely gives a performance of any merit now, let alone variety, which is a shame. Mick Jagger live is often drowned out by the dense wall of guitars, piano and saxohpne so I can rarely hear what he is singing anyway. He seems able to hit very high notes though, as recent renditions of Miss You and Worried About You prove. Freddie had a powerful live voice especially in 82 and 86; there were times where he'd shout and fail to hit notes but he always thrust his voice forward to the full and compared with Bono, his vocie didn't crack that much. He could sing with variety of tone and his ability to sing rockers improved as his voice became more gravelly. |
My Melancholy Blues 08.10.2006 17:27 |
No wonder Queen live is much different from studio ver. They didn't intend to play as they did in the studio. Not reproduce studio ver. And moreover, they regarded live stages as the place where they could entertain the audience and contact with them. I think they regarded their rapport with the audience as more important than any other band did. And looking back Live Aid, for instance, how they caught and moved the audience, all of who were not Queen fans. Once I heard their live are like intercourse in a way because of their(Freddie's) huge energy of contacting with the audience. He contacted with them with all of his heart all the time of his career, even when he was weaker in technique. |
Mercuryking 08.10.2006 17:38 |
well i only tell what is on my mind. And that is , Freddie is the ONLY singer that was powerful in his singing, all other singers are so powerless and thats why their voice can hit them all notes. but, BUT here is one thing i dont think anyone here has thought about... and that is, Queen music is not easy to sing. I dont care what u guys say , U2 , Rollingstone , you name it none has the vocal difficulty as queen music has. And yet still freddie sings queen music with FULL ON POWER , now thats an GOD, not a singer , he is GOD. And something else you can see freddie really like the music , hence why he is so pumped up and uses so much power when he sings. U2 , rollingstones and the rest of them , they are not that into their music like freddie is in his. About the jackasses thing, well i mean it , many people here are jackasses. sorry |
skiqueen 08.10.2006 18:08 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: well i only tell what is on my mind. And that is , Freddie is the ONLY singer that was powerful in his singing, all other singers are so powerless and thats why their voice can hit them all notes. but, BUT here is one thing i dont think anyone here has thought about... and that is, Queen music is not easy to sing. I dont care what u guys say , U2 , Rollingstone , you name it none has the vocal difficulty as queen music has. And yet still freddie sings queen music with FULL ON POWEREXACTLY! thats what i wanted to write, but i couldnt put it in words.....i was sitting over this one for hours....... freddie had one set of awesome pipes. thats all i wanna say. |
Mercuryking 08.10.2006 18:42 |
you got that right, his pipes are equal to i dont know how many singers... Take for example, freddie tribute concert , they were probably 15 singers there , none of them could capture freddies power(george micheal came the closest but bare in mind that the song was downgraded in tone and was much slower than fred used to sing it live. And freddie played the piano singing it) you could combine all those singers , and still it cant beat freddie. |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 21:00 |
shut up, please shut up you don't know shit about singing |
Mercuryking 08.10.2006 21:06 |
haha and you do right? haha shut up you worthless piece of garbage |
Oszmercury 08.10.2006 21:12 |
Macca is a good singer live, now at his mid 60's he's in good shape. Rober Plant, since 1968 to 1972 he's the man, amazin range, high notes, passion, unique. Freddie, was a great singer, durin all his queen years, he knew how adapt a song dependin of his shape, a genius i've to say tha Ozzy in his early years until 1975 sabotage tour, he was amazin, he sang all the songs like they were recorded it |
The Real Wizard 08.10.2006 21:50 |
<b><font color="blue">Also Freddie was a showman like Robert Plant, but Freddie was better in that.Plant was a completely different kind of showman. At every concert, he said different things between songs, and was the absolute KING of creating any kind of vibe he wanted to. M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: shut the fuck up, wankerIf you're such a musical genius as you say you are, then why don't you explain yourself, instead of insulting people for having an opinion different than yours. M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: on the other hand, Casper is just a moron and knows shit about music, it's always great to make fun of how little he knowsI'd rather know little about music than be as arrogant and intolerant of others like you. |
The Real Wizard 08.10.2006 21:51 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: im not narrow minded , i only tell the truth.If you honestly believe that, then either a) you haven't listened to too many singers, and b) you haven't listened to them open-mindedly. Those other singers all sing with no power AT ALL and offcourse they will all hit higher notes.Thats no pressure on their voices.Higher notes = no pressure? Haha, you know nothing about the way the human vocal cords work if you are convinced of that. Ian Gillan, David Lee Roth, and Robert Plant sing with no power? And Bon Scott didn't either? Haha, yeah right. TO me they ALL suckk cause their music nor their voice have energy. Energy is everything and freddie had all the energy you could get.Yes, I agree. Freddie Mercury is the only vocalist in the history of music that sang with energy. In addition, energy is the only thing required to make a good singer. No other bands had energy besides Queen. Forget about Immigrant Song, Start Me Up, Highway Star, You Don't Get Fooled Again, Whole Lotta Rosie, Panama, Walk This Way, Sunday Bloody Sunday, Stockholm Syndrome, and Roundabout. You're absolutely right. No other band has energetic songs. Get your facts straight before talking again.Okay, I'll get right on that! Give me a break. I have never in my life seen more musically closed-minded people than I have here at Queenzone. Yes, Freddie was amazing in many ways, but he had his flaws, like anyone else. And there were plenty of other singers who were as good as Freddie in many ways, or even better. His voice in concert was AVERAGE a lot of the time. ACCEPT IT. He sang We Are The Champions and Bohemian Rhapsody like the record version once or twice out of 400-500 times. He just couldn't do it live. |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 22:01 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I'd rather be arrogant and intolerant than say that Jon Anderson is a good singer<b><font color="blue">Also Freddie was a showman like Robert Plant, but Freddie was better in that.Plant was a completely different kind of showman. At every concert, he said different things between songs, and was the absolute KING of creating any kind of vibe he wanted to.M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: shut the fuck up, wankerIf you're such a musical genius as you say youI'd are, then why don't you explain yourself, instead of insulting people for having an opinion different than yours.M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: on the other hand, Casper is just a moron and knows shit about music, it's always great to make fun of how little he knowsI'd rather know little about music than be as arrogant and intolerant of others like you. go fuck yourself, you moron |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 22:02 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: haha and you do right? haha shut up you worthless piece of garbagewhat? you're still here? |
The Real Wizard 08.10.2006 22:03 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: I'd rather be arrogant and intolerant than say that Jon Anderson is a good singer go fuck yourself, you moronIf distaste for Jon Anderson is more important to you than tolerance and humility, then you really have some deep personal issues you need to deal with. |
rockyracoon 08.10.2006 22:37 |
I was lucky and saw/heard Freddie Mercury and Robert Plant at their best. And yes, they were the best. I also liked Steve Perry's voice a lot, but he turned out to be an asshole. I regret not ever hearing Steve Tyler live. From my perspective, Bono was considerably better than Mick Jagger, but not at all close to the level of the names in my first paragraph. I like the raspiness of Brian Adams, who sometimes sounds a bit like Rod Stewart. Among the shmaltzy singers, such as Art Garfunkel, Neil Diamond, Barry Manilow, Paul Young, etc., there are some very good vocalists and entertainers. But I can't imagine any of them trying to sing the music of Queen or Led Zeppelin. Frank Sinatra was incredibly smooth, Andrea Bocelli is powerful in the operatic sense, and Elvis was great in his time. But those three distinct styles of music don't facilitate comparisons to Freddie/Queen and Plant/Zep. If you were to ask me which vocalist I would like to see perform live, it would definitely be Freddie, because I know that in addition to hearing a great voice, I would see a great performance and hear superb music. |
Bambi 08.10.2006 22:46 |
Freddie was a Great singer but not the only one. I think Steve Perry has a Great voice, and I agree I seen led zepplin in concert in the late 60's and he was great Elvis was a great singer with different venues of music, such as rock, country and gospelI enjoy Steve Tylers voice, |
Mr.Jingles 08.10.2006 22:50 |
I can't believe nobody has mentioned Joey Strummer. He puts Freddie Mercury to shame. |
M a t i a s M a y 08.10.2006 23:05 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:and you have to clean your earsM a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote: I'd rather be arrogant and intolerant than say that Jon Anderson is a good singer go fuck yourself, you moronIf distaste for Jon Anderson is more important to you than tolerance and humility, then you really have some deep personal issues you need to deal with. |
FVBVA 09.10.2006 04:23 |
freddie sang incredibly beautiful in the studio.but when singing live it is very normal to lower the notes to protect the voices.that is why some queen fans find freddie insufficient when singing live.you get used to the studio recording which is unbelievably beautiful and then you hear live and get disappointed.i like freddie singing live as much as he sings live.he forces his chest voice and hits very right notes.and dont forget the vocal games he did with the audience.anybody tried it,i dont know |
Rompez 09.10.2006 06:16 |
fatih wrote: freddie sang incredibly beautiful in the studio.but when singing live it is very normal to lower the notes to protect the voices.that is why some queen fans find freddie insufficient when singing live.you get used to the studio recording which is unbelievably beautiful and then you hear live and get disappointed.i like freddie singing live as much as he sings live.he forces his chest voice and hits very right notes.and dont forget the vocal games he did with the audience.anybody tried it,i dont knowYah. I agree. There is a belief that every vocalist must reach the highest notes and if he can't he is no good. Freddie was a baritone.(not a tenor, as many thinks). He was not supposed to hit thoues high notes naturally. In the studio Freddie forced himself to expand his range and become a tenor. That's make a big difference. So I guess it was sometimes even painful to him to sing some of his parts in the studio. That's all happened because he never had any vocal training. And of course it was impossible to sing that way live each day on tour without ruining voice and health. His vocal methods were quite wrong. And I believe that if he had a course of a vocal training he could've become a decent baritone singer (who is never trying to hit high notes). But he would've never become Freddie Mercury ;). So was not a weak live singer at all. Sometimes he just tried to sing not in his natural register, which caused some problems. |
bgordon88 09.10.2006 06:17 |
He was an untrained singer who wrote really challenging songs. See the WWRY show at the Dominion - those trained singers really can hold the notes wherever they are on the scale. |
john bodega 09.10.2006 06:26 |
This is a hell of a stupid thread, but I'll try and say something constructive. Freddie's live voice did go a little downhill in the 80's, but I reckon it probably aged better than Robert Plant's did. Though both had vocally unreliable performances (there was a Birmingham performance in '84 by Freddie that just... blows, it's a monotone of G almost - and then you have Robert Plant at Live Aid; moments of good singing but mostly a broken voice). Mick Jagger is an average singer. And a not-so-interesting performer. I still find it kind of funny that the Rolling Stones have always been seen in that same class as The Who or the Beatles, who frankly outmatch them. The Who especially. I would rather pay to see half of The Who than a whole Rolling Stones. I think there's an unwillingness in some parties here to accept Freddie wasn't perfect. You know, in the studio - if there was a 'perfect', I think he'd be pretty much it. But live.. you know, its not like one is saying he sucks because he wasn't always reliable in the live situation. There's a lot of factors involved, ya know. And this know-it-all attitude being thrown around concerning music (YEAH you know who you are) I put it to you that we might not know it all about music. It's a simple concept - for one, if one knew everything there was to know about music, they wouldn't be posting here. Second of all, I'd hardly be proud if I did know everything. It'd be staking a claim to an extraordinarily boring life - you'd never learn anything knew, there'd be nothing to enjoy. I mean really.... nobody in this thread has ever shown anything to anyone else here that is proof of any virtuoso qualities. I can only say that I'm happy enough with my abilities that I don't have to 'prove' it to anyone; I can sit down with other people and play along with songs I haven't heard, and I can generally speaking pick up new instruments pretty quickly (I played an oud for the first time the other night). To me - that's music. Having fun, doing the odd new thing. It shouldn't be an argument. |
Rompez 09.10.2006 06:32 |
bgordon88 wrote: He was an untrained singer who wrote really challenging songs. See the WWRY show at the Dominion - those trained singers really can hold the notes wherever they are on the scale.They can hold 100% of notes and 10% of song's substance. ;) |
The Real Wizard 09.10.2006 10:56 |
fatih wrote: freddie sang incredibly beautiful in the studio.but when singing live it is very normal to lower the notes to protect the voices.that is why some queen fans find freddie insufficient when singing live.But if you train your voice properly, your voice can be in the same shape all the time. Do you think opera singers sing lower and raspier when they sing live? The problem with most rock singers is that they don't train their voices, so they sound worse live. Rompez wrote: Freddie was a baritone.(not a tenor, as many thinks).It's hard to classify him. His lower range is definitely baritone, but his highest range exceeds most baritones. There were concerts where he effortlessly hit the high notes. Listen to the South America 81 shows, and Newcastle 79. Baritones have trouble hitting a G above middle C, and in these concerts, he was hitting A and B without any trouble. In the studio, he hit high D and E many times. He sounds so natural on It's Late, for example. I'd classify him as a "baritenor". Zebonka12 wrote: I would rather pay to see half of The Who than a whole Rolling Stones.Is it okay if I do both? ;) |
The Real Wizard 09.10.2006 11:02 |
-double post- |
john bodega 09.10.2006 13:22 |
"Is it okay if I do both? ;)" Well hey if you can afford it :D |
Asterik 09.10.2006 15:58 |
rockyracoon wrote: |
NTL 09.10.2006 17:26 |
Freddies studio work was quite exceptional and I honestly cant think of anyone better, but no one could sing like that on a tour when they are singing night after night doing 50+ shows. Freddie always sang way out of his natural range hence the reason his voice was often in bad shape, thats why opera singers are given a certain job to do, i.e. a baratone sings baratione. How long do you think a baratones voice will last if he is asked to sing the part of the tenor night after night ? Trying to sing out of your range for an hour and a half is hard enough, take both MK and Budapest, Freddie starts both shows quite well but halfway through his voice gets tired and he starts to struggle. And just incase anyone wasnt aware Freddie had nodes on his Vocal chords from as early as 1975 (which I belive were treated immediatly after the Works tour), so what the bloody hell do you expect. If you want to hear an incredable singer who can match Freddie for both power and range, and do it live look no further than the voice of metal, Ronnie James Dio. For about a fiver you can pick-up 'DIO The Collection' which contains half a dozen live tracks with some quite incredable vocal performances, or buy the 'We Rock' DVD, you also get Vivian Campell on guitar ! |
videoviewer 09.10.2006 20:42 |
)Mick Jagger sings like a girl.....wait he is a girl anyway. )Plant was good, for a couple of years.. )Bono=shit )But nobody even comes near to the Great Mercury |
luthorn 09.10.2006 23:25 |
Freddie will always be da greatast mo fo singer on this huge planet. Guy had da energy, da voice, da balls, da charm and da charisma. I personally do not like Bono cos he writes poor songs. No sing alongs. I mean what U2 song can you sing along too? I also think he is a poor entertainer. Jagger is a bit better, but he's been around for so long that he could just die and I would not care. |
Asterik 10.10.2006 11:35 |
luthorn wrote: . |
luthorn 10.10.2006 12:56 |
well he was a good entertainer in the Zoo TV era but now he's returned to being a whiney, hypocritical preacher again.
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SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 07:27 |
Freddie Mercury was the greatest male rock vocalist, live or not! How can you people even put Freddie into the same group as Mick Jagger, Bono, Frank Sinatra, or anyone else you want to put up there. Freddie stood alone. Let's compare, shall we? Freddie vs Frank Sinatra. True, Frank Sinatra was smooth vocally. He could sing almost exactly as he sounded in his records. Freddie wasn't as consistent. However, this comparison is invalid. Frank Sinatra rarely sang above a middle F. For Frank Sinatra, hitting a middle F was like Freddie hitting a high C. Frank's range was much lower than Freddies. This is why Frank Sinatra sounded more smooth because the level of difficulty of his songs was MUCH lower. Let me put it this way: Frank or any of the singers of that genre could NEVER sing even a moderate Queen song. They simply did not have the range. Freddie vs Operatic voice. True, opera singers have trained voices that can sing at high ranges with power and consistency. However, this same training also limits them vocally. Therefore, this comparison is invalid. Freddie's singing style was more natural, and emotional. He could combine musical notes with SUCH overpowering emotion that moved people. An Operatic singer CANNOT shape emotions, and sounds as freely and as naturally as Freddie Mercury can. No Operatic singer can because Operatic voice has a rigid style that has limited emotional expressiveness. Freddie vs All the other "ROCK" singers (Bono, Mick Jagger, etc). This comparison may be the most valid comparion of the three. Rock singers sing freely, and some sing at high ranges. But what makes Freddie the best of the best VOCALLY is his tone, versatility, and sheer emotional power. His angelic tone combined with his power made Freddie Mercury special. Mick Jagger does not have Freddies tone, range, or power. In fact, Mick Jagger is a very poor singer. Bono comes closer to Freddie's range, but he did not have the angelic tone, or power. All the other rock singers have pluses and minuses except one. Freddie Mercury. He had no minus vocally. He was all positives. He really did have the perfect voice. And I am only talking about vocal ability. If you factor in showmanship, and charm, Freddie had those in spades as well. To Review singing LIVE: 1> Frank Sinatra. As consistent as operatic singers but more fluid. However, song difficulty was very low ie low range. 2> Operatic singers. Consistent and powerful due to technique. But the same technique produces a rigid style that is unnatural and less versatile emotionally. 3> Rock singers. Natural singers who can sometimes sing high range. But due to the high level of difficulty of their songs, was the least consistent in quality in live singing. However, Freddie Mercury shone brighter than his peers because he had a perfect tone, abundant range, and power. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 07:36 |
OH and the guy who said that Freddie was a Baritone, and not a tenor. Are you nuts?? Freddie in the 70s was a light lyrical tenor. He could easily sing G#, sometimes even A# without much effort. Freddie's voice in the 80s turned heavier. You can see the change from light to heavy from 1980-1983, after 1983, his voice was heavy tenor, but it was still a tenor. The reason you think it's a baritone is because of the heaviness. But let me tell you, no baritone could reach Freddie's range in the 80s. He hit a high D#. That is definitely tenor! And in the 1990s, his voice became a light tenor again. He was definitely a tenor! |
john bodega 11.10.2006 07:44 |
"This is why Frank Sinatra sounded more smooth because the level of difficulty of his songs was MUCH lower." I find this apocryphal at best. How is it, then, that fugger all people have ever sung Sinatra very well; almost to the same ratio as people who can't sing Queen for shite? Different as the two styles are, one is most certainly not noticeably more challenging than the other. I've seen adequate numbers of people screw both up, to convince me that both are pretty tricky. "Freddie Mercury. He had no minus vocally" Wouldn't you consider straining to be a bad thing, vocally? I happen to think Freddie usually sounded brilliant when he pushed it too far, but there were times when it really was a little too much (How Can I Go On, gets on my nerves a bit). You're telling us he's perfect, when he turned in a considerable number of less-than-perfect live shows? You're not talking to people who don't like Freddie, or people who think he sucks. But you must be realistic - he wasn't 'perfect'. Not Live, anyway. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 08:01 |
Zebonka, just because you say that plenty of people screw up singing Frank Sinatra songs, therefore Frank and Freddie must be equal is plain illogical. The reason you see people screwing up Frank's songs is because they suck! If one cannot sing Frank Sinatra's songs well, then they suck. And they definitely cannot sing Queen songs! They are amateurs! However, how many PROFESSIONAL singers have you heard that SCREW up Queen songs? Many. Even very talented ones. why? Because any real singer will tell you that queen songs rank very high on difficulty. Where you fail to understand is, Frank's style and songs were on a much lower difficulty level than Queen songs were. Therefore, you cannot compare Frank Sinatra's live performance, as velvety smooth as his voice was, to Freddie's because the two sang at very different levels. As for your second statement that singing with strain is a negative, well, let me tell you this. It is not possible for any male Rock singer to sing rock songs that often hit high C notes night after night without ruining your voice. It's simply not humanly possible. Just like you cannot expect an athelete to play every single day. Because the body breaks down. We're fragile. This is NOT a negative. It is simply human limitation. Can Frank Sinatra sing night after night almost perfectly? No, but he probably could sing very well 80% of the time. Because his songs are not as taxing as Queen songs are. Can Operatic singers sing night after night? Yes. Because the operatic technique allows this. This same technique however restricts emotional versatility. Compare Montserrat's singing with Freddie's singing in their Rock-Opera duet. The Golden Boy. Can you compare Montserrat with Freddie in that song? No way. Freddie sang with great emotion while Montserrate singing was much more rigid. Technique wise, Montserrate and any Operatic singer can sing songs night after night, but that is because of their technique. I find the Operatic style to be limited. After a while, every Operatic song sounds the same to me. But Freddie and Rock singers are much more expressive, and free. They can sing in many different styles, and emotional colors. Which one is superior? Operatic voices are superior for consistency especially high power songs. But the ROCK voice is superior for versatility, and reaching the full emotional range and color. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 08:22 |
And one more thing. I disagree with people saying Freddie's technique was poor compared to some other Rock singers. Freddie has superb technique singing live. But Freddie was undisciplined. There's a difference between technique, and discipline. Some rock singers are VERY discipined, in that they sing each song, and each note exactly the same night after night. They are disciplined. Freddie was a bit different. He was like a wild mustang. He'd twist and spin and slant a note wildly because that was his personality. He was spontaneous, and full of zest and gusto. Therefore, he sounded less discipline because vocally, he'd be all over the place, doing vocal gymnastics. That is different from technique. He had great technique. In fact, the reason he could sing the same song 10 different ways was because his technique was so great, he could change a song spontaneously. He sang with great emotion. Soemtimes, his voice failed him because he is only human, but his technique was great. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 08:40 |
Freddie Mercury is like a great Actor. A great Actor can say a line 20 different ways. We call great actors great because they have extreme acting range. That is how we define Acting talent. Freddie Mercury did in song what great Actors do with a script. Unlike Operatic singers, who sing the same song EXACTLY each time like robots, in a mechnical but technically perfect manner, Freddie was much more versatile. This is why I consider Rock singers superior to Operatic singers. Rock songs and singers have limitless "Emotional and artistic" range. And that is the essence of singing. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 09:02 |
bgordon88 wrote: He was an untrained singer who wrote really challenging songs. See the WWRY show at the Dominion - those trained singers really can hold the notes wherever they are on the scale.Incorrect. WWRY shows have MANY singers both MALE and FEMALE that each sing SPECIFIC songs that suited their ability. Freddie Mercury was ONE singer who in a typical Queen show, sang 25+ Queen songs over a 2 hour period. He was literally doing what ALL of those singers did ALONE. It is MUCH easier to sing 3 songs that suited one's range night after night than 25 that encompassed the total range. And female voices can easily sing male songs because they have a much higher natural range. It is not fair to say Freddie was untrained because he could not vocally do what an ENTIRE CAST does himself. And I will tell you that NONE of the castmembers of any WWRY shows have the collective ability that Freddie had. Not ONE of the castmember, could on his/her own, duplicate what Freddie did over his career. Not one. WWRY features a large cast to essentially try to do what a SINGLE man, Freddie Mercury, did over his career. That makes Freddie far superior to any of these castmembers. |
Mr.Jingles 11.10.2006 09:12 |
SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Bono comes closer to Freddie's range, but he did not have the angelic tone, or power.C'mon... Bono hardly has more range than The Edge. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 09:15 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:You'd be surprised. Have you tried singing U2's songs? Not easy. And you're talking to someone who has very similiar range to Freddie Mercury.SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: Bono comes closer to Freddie's range, but he did not have the angelic tone, or power.C'mon... Bono hardly has more range than The Edge. Bono does have a good range, not as great as Freddie's but respectable. Now, Bono doesn't have POWER or volume but he does have good range. |
Mr.Jingles 11.10.2006 09:17 |
I think Freddie Mercury was the best singer ever for one particular reason. No other singer can put out an album as bad as 'Mr Bad Guy' and still give a vocal performace that makes it sound decent. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 09:50 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I think Freddie Mercury was the best singer ever for one particular reason. No other singer can put out an album as bad as 'Mr Bad Guy' and still give a vocal performace that makes it sound decent.Yes, I agree with you. That is the hallmark of a great singer. The ability to turn a mediocre song sounding great. You guys may not realize this but as a singer, I find many of Queen songs to be impossible to sing well, not because it is out of my range but there is nothing there. Am I saying that many of Queen songs are mediocre? Yes, but Freddie made it sound great. He out of his sheer talent, turned nothing into something remarkable. Don't get me wrong. Many of Queen songs WERE great, but many were not. A great song is one that makes it very easy for a singer to latch onto and get it right. A mediocre song has less "hooks" (not melody wise) that a singer can latch onto. It's difficult to explain. A good example is Bohemian Rhapsody. This is an extremely difficult song to sing, not just technically. I can't imagine any singer but Freddie to nail this song, and it's true. I haven't heard a version of Bohemian Rhapsody that is as good as the original. The reason is, Freddie's voice makes this song. Without his voice, the song can be easily butchered and turn out horrible. Songs like Who Wants To Live Forever, and Save Me on the other hand (Brian May) are VERY easy to sing. Am I saying that Save Me and WWTLF are better songs than Bohemian Rhapsody? I have to say, yes. Bohemian Rhapsody is a GREAT song because of Freddie. Replace Freddie's voice with another's, and it will not turn out nearly as good. However, WWTLF and Save Me can be reproduced as good by a great singer because these songs are easier (Not technically) to sing than Bohrap. This is what so many fans (non-Singers) miss or fail to understand just how great Freddie's voice was. Another way to demonstrate this is, later on in the 80s, when Freddie's voice changed, his live versions of BohRhap was vastly inferior to his live version in the 70s. His voice changed. While in the 80s, he sang the song with more power, he didn't have the sweet tone that this song required. And he wasn't able to nail this song as he once was able to. |
john bodega 11.10.2006 09:55 |
"Zebonka, just because you say that plenty of people screw up singing Frank Sinatra songs, therefore Frank and Freddie must be equal is plain illogical." Interesting; because that's not the point I was making. They're not 'equal' - they're not even comparable. They're not in the same field - but they're both pretty freaking good at what they do and similarly inimitable. You are seemingly ill-equipped to understand this idea, so we'll drop it I suppose. "As for your second statement that singing with strain is a negative, well, let me tell you this. It is not possible for any male Rock singer to sing rock songs that often hit high C notes night after night without ruining your voice." The point wasn't that one could or couldn't do it without straining. The point was that straining is (from a puritan standpoint) not really 'good' singing. I don't quite agree with that; I was merely commenting that this seems to be a general consensus. There are people who sound good when they 'strain' and people who sound like shit. I just meant it was bad from a vocal health standpoint, dude. "Songs like Who Wants To Live Forever, and Save Me on the other hand (Brian May) are VERY easy to sing." So why have I never heard anyone pull it off? |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 10:10 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "Zebonka, just because you say that plenty of people screw up singing Frank Sinatra songs, therefore Frank and Freddie must be equal is plain illogical." Interesting; because that's not the point I was making. They're not 'equal' - they're not even comparable. They're not in the same field - but they're both pretty freaking good at what they do and similarly inimitable. You are seemingly ill-equipped to understand this idea, so we'll drop it I suppose.Ok, now that you put it this way, I agree with you that they are not comparable and they both are good at what they do. But here's the difference. While the general audience may appreciate both singers equally according to musical taste, they are not equal in ability. And the way you measure ability is their talent. It takes MORE talent to do what Freddie did, than what Frank Sinatra did. Or you can explain it this way: Freddie's talent is more rare and unique than Frank Sinatra's. You can find PLENTY of GOOD singers that sound like Frank Sinatra, and can imitate him, than you can find singers that sound like Freddie. Freddie's talent even today is unmatched. Frank Sinatra's? NOt difficult to find singers who can sing like him. Get the difference? It's about talent. "As for your second statement that singing with strain is a negative, well, let me tell you this. It is not possible for any male Rock singer to sing rock songs that often hit high C notes night after night without ruining your voice." The point wasn't that one could or couldn't do it without straining. The point was that straining is (from a puritan standpoint) not really 'good' singing. I don't quite agree with that; I was merely commenting that this seems to be a general consensus. There are people who sound good when they 'strain' and people who sound like shit. I just meant it was bad from a vocal health standpoint, dude.And the point I was trying to make was, the REASON singers STRAIN is the human voice has limited endurance. Day in, and day out, no human voice can endure at the HIGH level that Queen songs require. You are trying to point out a flaw in Freddie when there isn't. A Great athelete is great, but not when he is forced to play at a level beyond his human limit. When Freddie is straining to sing a note, why is he straining? it's because physically he's reached his endurance. That is NOT a negative on Freddie's part. It is simply being human. Freddie as a singer had NO Negatives. None whatsoever. Just like you can say Tiger Woods as a golfer has no negatives. But if you force him to play 365 days a year, pretty soon, he will play like crap also. is that a negative? No way. It is only human limit. "Songs like Who Wants To Live Forever, and Save Me on the other hand (Brian May) are VERY easy to sing." So why have I never heard anyone pull it off?You've never heard me, that's why. :) For some reason, I can nail those songs, but I can't nail songs like Killer Queen. |
Donna13 11.10.2006 11:22 |
I really liked the tone of Freddie's voice. |
Asterik 11.10.2006 12:53 |
Bono does have a good range, not as great as Freddie's but respectable. Now, Bono doesn't have POWER or volume but he does have good range. If you changed the tense to "did" I'd agree with you. He's lost it now, his voice cracks terribly when he tries to reach a note one e.g. being "Stay" on the Boston DVD. He can't go low either, I don't hear any depth now. I used to in the bridge of "Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses or in So Cruel but now he just sounds like he's got severe flu. |
SomebodyWhoLoves 11.10.2006 13:08 |
A vocalist's range and power changes depending on the physical state of the singer, just like any ability. I haven't kept up with U2 but I do know that Bono is capable of singing high notes, if his physical shape is in good condition. I am sure that if Bono prepared himself to rebuild his voice, he can. Maybe he's allowed his voice to deteriorate because he's too rich, or too busy. But his current condition however poor, is only temporary. The exact same thing happened with Freddie Mercury in the 80s. For whatever reason, Freddie allowed his golden voice to rot. Maybe he was too distraught with his illness, or maybe he just didn't care anymore since he and Queen dominated the rock n roll world during the early 80s. But towards the end of his life, on the Innuendo album, he rebuilt his voice to it's pristine condition by exercise, and diligent use inspite of being in the late stages of AIDS. He perhaps wanted to go out by making a final excellent record, and was motivated to achieve the higher standards of the groups 70's albums. |
Suigi 11.10.2006 14:07 |
Not sure if it's been mentioned before, but Roger Daltrey is one of the better live vocalists, so I've found. Even today, at age 60+. I'd say I prefer Daltrey over Mercury live, but Mercury over Daltrey in the studio. |
AmeriQueen 11.10.2006 14:28 |
I have seen all three(Bono, Jagger, Plant) live, and none of them compare to Freddie. I thought all three were great live, but there is just no comparison. Jagger is the only one of them to match Freddie's energy and charisma(well almost), but his voice isn't as powerful or versatile. He does sing blues better. Plant is the superior blues vocalist of them all, and the singer with the greatest scream, but his range is the most limited. Bono, for me, has the saddest voice and can do things Freddie can't. But at the same time, Freddie's range of what Bono can't compete with is probably wider. I would say that the only rock vocalist who has the live greatness to rival Freddie would be Elvis Presley. That's it. |
AmeriQueen 11.10.2006 14:29 |
Oh, and maybe Michael Jackson. |
cmsdrums 11.10.2006 15:13 |
Elvis (Presley that is, not Costello!)(although I'm not a fan) Danny Bowes of Thunder Danny Vaughn (ex Waysted, Tyketto) I've just seen the earlier post saying Simon Le Bon is a very gifted technically good singer - I nearly pissed myself!!!!! |
kdj2hot 12.10.2006 01:59 |
People should avoid from trying to rank singers because most people simply don't have the knowledge so I'll refrain from making a list but I have to put Brad Elp from Boston as one of the best live singers, he was awesome. |
kdj2hot 12.10.2006 02:01 |
People should avoid from trying to rank singers because most people simply don't have the knowledge so I'll refrain from making a list but I have to put Brad Elp from Boston as one of the best live singers, he was awesome. |
kdj2hot 12.10.2006 02:03 |
People should avoid from trying to rank singers because most people simply don't have the knowledge so I'll refrain from making a list but I have to put Brad Elp from Boston as one of the best live singers, he was awesome. And how is Freddie a bad singer live? I hate ignorant statements. I'm confused. Should I chalk it up to n00b Queen fans? Or should I seriously ponder their complaints? I don't know. |
NTL 12.10.2006 16:42 |
I was speaking to a Grade 8 singer a couple of years ago who was talking about difficult songs to sing, he said that Bo-Rap would easily pass as a Grade 8 piece but in his opinion WWTLF was a far more difficult song to sing and said that he thought it was an increadable vocal. Just because you find WWTLF 'easy' may just mean it suits your vocal style, because I find Bo-Rap far easier than WWTLF. ABTW It was Monserrat who told Freddie that he was a Baratone and I think that I will belive her word over yours. |
NTL 12.10.2006 16:44 |
NTL wrote: I was speaking to a Grade 8 singer a couple of years ago who was talking about difficult songs to sing, he said that Bo-Rap would easily pass as a Grade 8 piece but in his opinion WWTLF was a far more difficult song to sing and said that he thought it was an increadable vocal. Just because you find WWTLF 'easy' may just mean it suits your vocal style, because I find Bo-Rap far easier than WWTLF. ABTW It was Monserrat who told Freddie that he was a Baratone and I think that I will belive her word over yours.Posted again as it was entered halfway down the page ? |
Mercuryking 12.10.2006 21:23 |
Whatta fuck u talkin about?! Mr bad guy album was faaaar from bad , its aloot better than anyother artist can make i can tell you. The only thing that is bad about it is the production , its soundquality aint the best. |
Mercuryking 12.10.2006 21:24 |
mr jingles:: Whatta fuck u talkin about?! Mr bad guy album was faaaar from bad , its aloot better than anyother artist can make i can tell you. The only thing that is bad about it is the production , its soundquality aint the best. |
BluesDimeBlues 19.01.2007 22:11 |
The issues, Yes, people will be listening to Queen in 100 years. As long as there are new singers who want to be legitemate then they will be influenced by Freddie Mercury and admit it to anyone who asks. For anyone who says they will not be listened to is saying there will not be any great singers in the year 2107. Part of Freddies genius lies in his ability to overdub his voice in a seamless way on such songs as "The Prophets Song". As for Bono, that music is as fake as anyone can get. He is someone who denies he is influenced by the greats. The best singers are Jim Morrison of The Doors Sarah Vaughan (Jazz vocalist) Billie Holiday, although her range was limited she put more blues and emotion into her singing that anyone else. She had a way of compressing her vocal lines which she learned from Lester Young the tenor saxophone player. Her voice was an instrument. Bessie Smith, this great blues singer was the foundation on Janis Joplin's sound. Johnny Hartman (jazz vocalist who sang with John Coltrane) Bob "The Bear" Hite of Canned Heat Jack Bruce of Cream Elvis, Sinatra Memphis Slim, Screamin Jay Hawkins (I Put a Spell on you) Peter Tosh "The Voice" Jacob Miller (Tired Fe Lick Weed In The Bush) Also, in terms of emotional depth we will add Kurt Cobain, Bradley Nowell, and TuPac Shakur |
Saif 20.01.2007 02:30 |
Robert Plant is good in studio recordings but...live??? I haven't heard many live recordings of Led Zeppelin, but "How The West Was Won" is okay...on the other hand, I saw a promo video for "Stairway to Heaven" on VH1 and his voice was so lame in it...He kept shortening notes every chance he got and he kept forgetting lyrics. What the hell is wrong with him? He did the same in the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert. Anyway, as far as live voices go...I'd say Freddie is in the same league with Rod Stewart, Robert Plant, Elvis Presley, Elton John, Billy Joel, Garth Brooks, Simon & Garfunkel, David Gilmour, Roger Waters, Syd Barrett, etc. |
Going Back 20.01.2007 03:57 |
I'm quite sure most of you haven't heard a-ha or only 2-3 most well known songs, but a-ha's vocalist Morten Harket has the secound best vocals every after Freddie. his voice is so powerful and he does it same well live and some of them sound even better live. |
Raststätte-Knödel 20.01.2007 05:30 |
Just hear Freddie singing Somebody to love at the bowl. It's supernatural darlings :) |
mike hunt 21.01.2007 01:58 |
I always loved freddie's live voice. I love the operatic voice of the early to mid 70's, but not so crazy about the jazz tour voice. Then the early 80's showed freddie at his best live voice, but again lost some steam for the works tour. Live aid was obviously brilliant and the magic tour was great for me, but not nearly as great as the early 80's. overall I enjoy his live performces almost as much as his studio stuff. The man did have his flaws live, but that's ok. We all know he smoked, snorted, drank up a storm. As for other of my favorite singers, rob halford was average live as was bruce dickinson, but bruce was and is very annoying live. I was never a big Zep fan, but I do think freddie and plant were the best rock singers, but theirs a few others that are right up there. |
Bohemian Rhapsodies 27.01.2007 12:23 |
I think that there was something about Freddie, that puts him beyond comparison with anyone else. Of course, I love his voice both in the studio and in concert. I am also a fan of many of the other vocalists mentioned, but I just don't think any of them are in the same league. Freddie had this quality that was magical. Does anyone else feel this way? |
QueenTaylor 27.01.2007 12:34 |
Bohemian Rhapsodies wrote: I think that there was something about Freddie, that puts him beyond comparison with anyone else. Of course, I love his voice both in the studio and in concert. I am also a fan of many of the other vocalists mentioned, but I just don't think any of them are in the same league. Freddie had this quality that was magical. Does anyone else feel this way?I feel the exact same way..i think that he just had something special about him that made him, him, like his trademark, he had his own style. I 100% agree with you. |
thomasquinn 32989 27.01.2007 12:53 |
Going Back wrote: I'm quite sure most of you haven't heard a-ha or only 2-3 most well known songs, but a-ha's vocalist Morten Harket has the secound best vocals every after Freddie. his voice is so powerful and he does it same well live and some of them sound even better live.Too bad they stick with such formulaic songs... |
on my way up 27.01.2007 13:12 |
Listen to these Queen-shows: Copenhagen 4/13/1978 Newcastle 4/12/1979 Oakland 7/13/1980 London 12/8/1980 Sao Paulo 3/20/1981 Brussels 8/24/1984 Tokyo 5/9/1985 Stockholm 6/7/1986 Leiden 6/11/1986 All these shows exist in great quality and have freddie at his best.It are some of my favourite shows too. Freddie was generally very good during the ADATR of Europe tour, NOTW(europe aswell as USA),'80-82 and crazy tour of course.Almost all shows of these tours are great(1982 ,his voice went downhill after the european leg of the tour) |
on my way up 20.05.2007 05:32 |
I have to add some shows:Buenos Aires 3-8-1981 and puebla 10-17-1981.Freddie was fantastic during these shows, great interaction with the audience aswell(some funny moments in peubla:-). The buenos aires date has one of the most entertaining audiences I've ever heard. |
eenaweena 20.05.2007 10:43 |
do the singers have to be from the past or now? coz i think matt bellamy's quite good live. and (sometimes) alex kapranos. but i still think freddie and ian (gillan) pwns. well, although there were some instances where freddie wasn't up to par. |
turini 20.05.2007 11:44 |
i like freddies voice at Budapest 86 |
Mercuryking 20.05.2007 20:53 |
M a t i a s M a y<h6><i>QZ's Rainmaker wrote:No you should , BONO SUCKSSSS HORSE COCK<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: Bono is a truly lousy vocalist live; he conveys emotion, but technically, he is a walking disaster. Mick Jagger is not one of the great vocalists, but he scores quite decently live. He is a more consistant singer quality-wise than Freddie, although Freddie out-sings him whenever his voice isn't bad (which means: most of the time, though far from always) Robert Plant is one of the greatest live performers ever...when in good shape. Take for instance the intro to Immigrant Song, sheer miracle. But Robert Plant was often out of shape, and if he was, the result would be an abysmal vocal performance. I would also like to mention Ian Gillan (Deep Purple), who scores as good as Plant when in good shape, and was hardly ever out of that great shape. His overal vocal performance was excellent, and he never sank below 'good' vocal-wise.hahahahaha shut the fuck up, wanker |
Mercuryking 20.05.2007 20:56 |
The only reason freddies voice was fucked up is because a number of things 1. He always gives 100% in his vocals 2. Queen songs is much harder to sing than causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on. Freddie is singing much more complex music and therefore his voice suffer cause of it. |
deleted user 20.05.2007 21:20 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: The only reason freddies voice was fucked up is because a number of things 1. He always gives 100% in his vocals 2. Queen songs is much harder to sing than causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on. Freddie is singing much more complex music and therefore his voice suffer cause of it.Er... I have to disagree with that. Singing more "complex" music doesn't mean you're going to hurt your voice. What hurts your voice is things like smoking, pushing your voice to far (in over-projecting or straining to get high notes), and certain diseases (like AIDS). |
My Melancholy Blues 20.05.2007 21:46 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: The only reason freddies voice was fucked up is because a number of things 1. He always gives 100% in his vocals 2. Queen songs is much harder to sing than causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on. Freddie is singing much more complex music and therefore his voice suffer cause of it.I think so, too. Remember Freddie's tribute concert...they were struggling with Queen songs more or less, except very few. Some might have sung better in any other chance. But imho, that concert was only a sort of "Karaoke stage". Indeed, I know it's another thing to sing other band's repertoires. Well, even though Freddie suffered more or less, he always put much more emotion into his singing in the live stages compared with those on their albums. I often have a feeling that compared with his emotion put into, it doesn't matter if the song he's singing in the live isn't the same as original in the album. And yes, I like many Queen songs better when played live. |
My Melancholy Blues 20.05.2007 22:18 |
Talking of his voice itself particularly, personally I like his voice in the NOTW tour, in the Crazy tour, and in the Game tour especially due to his clear, brilliant one. His voice was strong, but born uniquely beautiful for a rock singer, and imho especially during those years his unique voice itself was outstanding in appealing to the audience. As to the Hot Space tour, I think his voice is bigger than ever and his high notes are almost the same as his in the Crazy tour or in the Game tour, and he put his emotion into his singing more than ever. If only he didn't smoke or drink much...Heaven knows though. But I think he made his efforts and succeeded in making his voice much bigger matching the big stadiums. In spite of those about his late career, again I love his voice in those years I mentioned above the best when he made the most of his uniquely beautiful voice. And anyway he showed much variety in his singing through his career. I soon get bored with other pop or rock singers except very few when listening to them everyday, even if I like them. But even though I've listened to him countless times, I never get bored with him surely because of his much voice variety touching me in many ways. |
Killer Queenie 21.05.2007 15:32 |
I don't see how you can compare two completely different vocalists. No two singers have the same vocal range. Freddie was unique. No-one can actually perform Queen songs the way he did. I just don't see how you can compare two or more singers. That probably sounds really stupid but oh well, who gives a flying rats arse. |
dylan12 21.05.2007 18:33 |
For me Freddie has always been the best vocalist but I am also a huge fan of Ian Gillan. I also think that Roger Taylor’s vocals have always been overlooked. He has incredible range is usually consistent with his singing. |
Mercuryking 21.05.2007 22:47 |
Ohh so you really mean that Queens music doesnt hurt your voice? i mean the notes he is singing goes like a rollercoaster, up an down and they are really high notes. So offcourse that will tear your voice down after 20 shows.
Now if you take something like U2 , now he can sing it perfectly every show cause the songs are simple to sing. He doesnt have too strain his voice like freddie have to do every show.
<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote:Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: The only reason freddies voice was fucked up is because a number of things 1. He always gives 100% in his vocals 2. Queen songs is much harder to sing than causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on. Freddie is singing much more complex music and therefore his voice suffer cause of it.Er... I have to disagree with that. Singing more "complex" music doesn't mean you're going to hurt your voice. What hurts your voice is things like smoking, pushing your voice to far (in over-projecting or straining to get high notes), and certain diseases (like AIDS). |
FriedChicken 22.05.2007 01:41 |
Ah yeah, of course you're all right. Sorry, It was late, and I forgot Freddie wasn't human |
hoopymrprosser 22.05.2007 13:07 |
Freddie compared to other vocalists... Gary Cherone had a brilliant range, but it isn't just Freddie. Freddie's vocals only really truly worked when he was surrounded by Brian, Roger and John. Brian's style of guitar playing was very sympathetic to Freddie's voice. Roger and Brian's harmonies also provided the perfect basis to the whole. In the same way, Gary Cherone's best work came whilst working with Extreme. He also needed the rest of the band to provide the harmonies and the music to make it work. |
The Real Wizard 22.05.2007 13:30 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: The only reason freddies voice was fucked up is because a number of things 1. He always gives 100% in his vocals 2. Queen songs is much harder to sing than causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on. Freddie is singing much more complex music and therefore his voice suffer cause of it.You think Zeppelin songs were easy to sing? Trampled Underfoot? Black Dog? The Rain Song? Immigrant Song? And The Who? Have you ever heard Love, Reign O'er Me? Freddie couldn't sing that like Daltrey if he tried. There *are* good rock vocalists other than Freddie, you know. |
on my way up 22.05.2007 14:42 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: The only reason freddies voice was fucked up is because a number of things 1. He always gives 100% in his vocals 2. Queen songs is much harder to sing than causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on. Freddie is singing much more complex music and therefore his voice suffer cause of it.I'm not a big fan of bono's vocals but Robert Plant and Roger Daltrey are amazing singers, 100% unique. I'm a huge fan of Robert Plant. When he was at his very best, he was even better than on the record because he sang with so much emotion and variation. Led Zeppelin were kings of improvisation and Plant just sang what the others began to play or he sang something and the others picked up on it. Go and buy 'How the west was won'.:-) |
deleted user 22.05.2007 15:44 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Ohh so you really mean that Queens music doesnt hurt your voice? i mean the notes he is singing goes like a rollercoaster, up an down and they are really high notes. So offcourse that will tear your voice down after 20 shows. Now if you take something like U2 , now he can sing it perfectly every show cause the songs are simple to sing. He doesnt have too strain his voice like freddie have to do every show.Personally, no, most of it doesn't - but I think that's beside the point. There are these people called "opera singers" - who routinely sing complex songs that cover large parts of their range. With proper technique, it is not going to kill your voice after just twenty shows - in fact, what kills the voice of many is the inevitable "age", and with proper care and good luck, some manage to hold out quite some time. Coloratura sopranos, people singing Rossini, and many other people do not experience their voices dropping dead after a season - o, sure, bad technique, over-exertion, it happens in the classical world too - but if you're engaging in healthy singing practices - the complexity of the music is not going to kill your voice. I don't expect him to sing it "perfect" every time he goes on stage - and Live he didn't always (or from what I know, often) hit the high notes. I'm not complaining. Freddie had some bad technique going on - much as I love the man and his voice. He also had some "bad habits" that effected his voice (smoking and drinking are known to have an effect). It is not so much what is being sung, but how you sing it. Pushing your range can be harmful to ANYONE - regardless of how complex or simple the music being sung. |
Major Tom 22.05.2007 19:21 |
I love U2, but when it comes to skill in The Edge´s playing and Bono´s vocals, they´re not that great as some pepole say. Bono has a uniqe voice but it´s not awesome. And to say that The Edge is one of the best guitar players there ever was, witch I´ve seen written somewhere is just plain bollocks. Together as U2 they make magic, but not as individuals. Like Freddie´s solo works. |
Mercuryking 23.05.2007 21:43 |
I believe freddie can sing anything. He was/is the greatest vocalist/musician ever to walk this planet.
You should not even compare these ordinary singers to him.
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: The only reason freddies voice was fucked up is because a number of things 1. He always gives 100% in his vocals 2. Queen songs is much harder to sing than causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on. Freddie is singing much more complex music and therefore his voice suffer cause of it.You think Zeppelin songs were easy to sing? Trampled Underfoot? Black Dog? The Rain Song? Immigrant Song? And The Who? Have you ever heard Love, Reign O'er Me? Freddie couldn't sing that like Daltrey if he tried. There *are* good rock vocalists other than Freddie, you know. |
The Real Wizard 24.05.2007 01:22 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: I believe freddie can sing anything. He was/is the greatest vocalist/musician ever to walk this planet. You should not even compare these ordinary singers to him.Now that you've dismissed all sense of logic, not to mention admitting complete ignorance, I guess you've ended the conversation. Too bad, as it could've been a good one. In the past, I once said this here (perhaps even to you, but definitely to someone similar to you): I think Freddie would be horrified to know that there are people who are dismissing all other musicians on his behalf. |
user name 24.05.2007 01:33 |
Thread was too long, so I didn't read it. Anyway, I think Freddie kind of sucked as far as live vocal performances go. When you take the performance overall, surely no one could top him. But if you isolated the vocals, as can be heard in numerous bootlegs and live albums, it's just so mediocre when compared to the studio recordings. Other vocalists, however, are very capable of duplicating their studio performances - even the hard parts. It's difficult to tell who's legit and who isn't, though, with all the triggering and backing tracks that are so commonplace. Steve Perry, the guy who replaced Steve Perry, Brad Delp, Dennis DeYoung, Morten Harket, and any number of metal vocalists like Rob Halford - they would all likely be astounding live (not speaking from experience - except for the guy who replaced Steve Perry, he was great). |
maxpower 24.05.2007 07:33 |
vocally these days Danny Bowes out of Thunder is the best live rock singer this country has end of story |
Mercuryking 24.05.2007 12:46 |
Its like you said yourself, there are other GOOD singers out there ,but freddie is the BEST.
No im not ignorant ,just that freddie has this drive , power and passion that nobody else has and therefore they cant come to his level.
All the other singers sing so mellow compared to him.
And no im not stupid when i say Freddie Mercury is the best singer/musician ever.
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: I believe freddie can sing anything. He was/is the greatest vocalist/musician ever to walk this planet. You should not even compare these ordinary singers to him.Now that you've dismissed all sense of logic, not to mention admitting complete ignorance, I guess you've ended the conversation. Too bad, as it could've been a good one. In the past, I once said this here (perhaps even to you, but definitely to someone similar to you): I think Freddie would be horrified to know that there are people who are dismissing all other musicians on his behalf. |
Micrówave 24.05.2007 14:23 |
Freddie was one of my favorite vocalists, but I'm surprised at some of the "burn-outs" that are being used to compare him to. Daltrey, Plant, Bono? (and that Simon LeBon reference WAS funny) I'm not saying those guys aren't great but what about some real singers? Singers who CAN'T be covered, like Freddie. Cover bands sing Who songs, U2 songs, Zep songs, like it's going out of style. But about the voices that just can't be copied with justice? Daryl Hall Kenny Loggins Yes, Steve Perry before the flame-out Phil Perry (no relation) Al Green Roy Orbison Wilson Pickett Michael These guys could bring it live or in the studio. It didn't matter. |
on my way up 24.05.2007 14:47 |
Freddie had his brilliant moments. The most well-known example is Live Aid. And as we all know the world was watching! Plant on the other hand was hoarse when he performed at Live Aid. It are such things that people remember and that make up your reputation amongst the masses; |
Micrówave 24.05.2007 15:06 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: causual music like U2, Led zeppling, The who and so on."Casual music", I see. By the way, I love Led zeppling. Almost as fun as the water slide. |
Sebastian 24.05.2007 17:02 |
Fred was an extraordinary studio singer. Live, he was just "very good", imo. |
The Real Wizard 24.05.2007 19:19 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: No im not ignorant ,just that freddie has this drive , power and passion that nobody else has and therefore they cant come to his level.Then I guess you've never heard of James Brown. And no im not stupid when i say Freddie Mercury is the best singer/musician ever.Nobody said you're stupid. However, you definitely are ignorant and intolerant of the tastes of others if you categorically state that any rock singer is the best musician ever. You're smart if you precede the statement with "in my opinion". Somebody, give the man copies of Sapporo '79, Vienna '84, and the uncut Wembley '86 to listen to. |
Mercuryking 24.05.2007 19:34 |
Look i know there were alot of times when freddie barely couldnt sing on a gig but thats why im trying to say that , its because of the way Queens music is written , its very hard to sing them. Freddie sings Queen songs with so much power that he almost destroy his voice.
Now if he wanted to , he could have sung the songs in a mellow and boring way(like U2 etc.) so that he could hit all the notes on most of the gigs. But thats not him , he is so full of energy and he needs to get that out.
So dont try to make him look like an bad live vocalist , its just that he burnes himself out every single gig.
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: No im not ignorant ,just that freddie has this drive , power and passion that nobody else has and therefore they cant come to his level.Then I guess you've never heard of James Brown.And no im not stupid when i say Freddie Mercury is the best singer/musician ever.Nobody said you're stupid. However, you definitely are ignorant and intolerant of the tastes of others if you categorically state that any rock singer is the best musician ever. You're smart if you precede the statement with "in my opinion". Somebody, give the man copies of Sapporo '79, Vienna '84, and the uncut Wembley '86 to listen to. |
deleted user 25.05.2007 00:00 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Look i know there were alot of times when freddie barely couldnt sing on a gig but thats why im trying to say that , its because of the way Queens music is written , its very hard to sing them. Freddie sings Queen songs with so much power that he almost destroy his voice.I have tried to explain it to you nicely... YOU FUCKING IDIOT - SINGING COMPLEX MUSIC DOES NOT INHERENTLY DAMAGE THE VOICE. I'm sorry - but I believe I set forth a logical "argument" - and you have simply ignored it in favour of a view that promotes Freddie as some martyr-thing singing very complicated music that no one else could - and destroying his voice because of it. Freddie didn't even sing it live "as it was written", for fuck's sake. FREDDIE MADE USE OF SOME UNHEALTHY SINGING TECHNIQUES. His voice might not have been "burnt out" if he had "proper training". I love Freddie - he's my favourite male voice, but he was a person, and he certainly wasn't perfect - thank heaven's. I have sung Queen songs for hours. The only time it has been detrimental to my vocal health was when I tried to sing a song that was too low for me - trying to push my voice to something it is not physically capable of - namely, hitting anything below C3, or anything below F#3 with full power. They're certainly harder to sing than some songs - but they seem a bit simple if you're coming to them off a CD of Rossini arias. Complex music doesn't kill your voice - doing stupid things with it does. |
on my way up 25.05.2007 07:16 |
Mercurysingeroflife said: Its like you said yourself, there are other GOOD singers out there ,but freddie is the BEST. No im not ignorant ,just that freddie has this drive , power and passion that nobody else has and therefore they cant come to his level. All the other singers sing so mellow compared to him. And no im not stupid when i say Freddie Mercury is the best singer/musician ever. On my way up said: Freddie is your favourite musician. That's cool but saying that he's the best and that all the others are weak compared to him is bullshit. There are many amazing singers! If you only listen to freddie, you miss a lot. There are fields in which freddie wasn't the best, accept it. This discussion was meant to be about the live environment!If you say that freddie's range was huge live you are not telling the truth. Fact is that he was a totally different singer live compared to the studio. He often sang on his falsetto in the studio and only rarely live, so that part of his range was gone live.Fact is that there are songs he just couldn't sing live the way they were written: Bohemian Rhapsody, We are the champions, Somebody to love, I want to break free,... And that are some of their best-known songs!Of course, I'm the first to say he gave us many other things live as freddie was such a great performer, really looking the audience in the eye and making contact like few artists do on stage but again that is not the subject of this discussion. There are singers that aren't as good as freddie in the studio ( for me too freddie was the best in that field if you think about all the things he recorded)but who sound live much closer to their studiovoice and therefor are, when I'm honest with myself, better than freddie live. |
Sebastian 25.05.2007 08:38 |
Indeed, there are people who sing (on stage) better than Freddie. And if we don't narrow the list to *live singers* and instead we go to *musicians*, there are some who are on the same level as Freddie without neccesarily singing well (e.g. Roger Waters). |
Matias Merçeauroix 25.05.2007 10:39 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Sir, don't even bother... look who you're arguing with!!!Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: I believe freddie can sing anything. He was/is the greatest vocalist/musician ever to walk this planet. You should not even compare these ordinary singers to him.Now that you've dismissed all sense of logic, not to mention admitting complete ignorance, I guess you've ended the conversation. Too bad, as it could've been a good one. In the past, I once said this here (perhaps even to you, but definitely to someone similar to you): I think Freddie would be horrified to know that there are people who are dismissing all other musicians on his behalf. he's from treasure moment!!! xD IT (cause he ain't human) is not worth it. |
Mercuryking 26.05.2007 01:01 |
OK you are forgetting that he not only sings but he plays the piano at the same time which makes it harder to focus 100% on the vocals too. And when he doesnt play the piano he runs/walks around while sining, its not very often he stands still and sing like these other mediocre singers.
He could hit all the notes if he sang them without all the power he puts in the notes.
But he tends to really sing with too much power that he cant sing the higher notes too often.
on my way up wrote: Mercurysingeroflife said: Its like you said yourself, there are other GOOD singers out there ,but freddie is the BEST. No im not ignorant ,just that freddie has this drive , power and passion that nobody else has and therefore they cant come to his level. All the other singers sing so mellow compared to him. And no im not stupid when i say Freddie Mercury is the best singer/musician ever. On my way up said: Freddie is your favourite musician. That's cool but saying that he's the best and that all the others are weak compared to him is bullshit. There are many amazing singers! If you only listen to freddie, you miss a lot. There are fields in which freddie wasn't the best, accept it. This discussion was meant to be about the live environment!If you say that freddie's range was huge live you are not telling the truth. Fact is that he was a totally different singer live compared to the studio. He often sang on his falsetto in the studio and only rarely live, so that part of his range was gone live.Fact is that there are songs he just couldn't sing live the way they were written: Bohemian Rhapsody, We are the champions, Somebody to love, I want to break free,... And that are some of their best-known songs!Of course, I'm the first to say he gave us many other things live as freddie was such a great performer, really looking the audience in the eye and making contact like few artists do on stage but again that is not the subject of this discussion. There are singers that aren't as good as freddie in the studio ( for me too freddie was the best in that field if you think about all the things he recorded)but who sound live much closer to their studiovoice and therefor are, when I'm honest with myself, better than freddie live. |
The Real Wizard 26.05.2007 03:54 |
I feel like we're arguing with a fundamentalist religious nut. This person is completely convinced they're right, to the point that their opinion has become some kind of scientific truth to them. But it's still entertaining to get each new reply. I thought of making some kind of sarcastic remark, but I think in this case even sarcasm is futile, never mind logic. |
rosedewitt 26.05.2007 04:17 |
i don't want to compare freddie with other singers, but his voice was on the albums much better then live. his intonation was not so clear like in the studio versions and he was sometimes more yelling then singing. |
Sebastian 26.05.2007 07:58 |
> OK you are forgetting that he not only sings but he plays the piano at the same time which makes it harder to focus 100% on the vocals too. Hundreds of people sing and play piano at the same time. And many of them play much more difficult piano parts. > he runs/walks around while sining Many actually DANCE while "sining" (sic), which is much more difficult than some absurd walking. And while some lipsynch, some don't. > He could hit all the notes if he sang them without all the power he puts in the notes. If so, then he wasn't THAT good, full stop. |
lyricalassasin77 26.05.2007 09:43 |
It's obvious after reading some of the post's on this thread that some of you don't know what the hell your talking about. Freddie having an "ashtray voice"?? "couldn't get past octave on the Jazz Tour"??....How about you give us your credentials and let us know where you went to school to study the human voice and all the sounds, ranges, and octaves that are out there? Let me touch on a few more things....Bono Vs. Freddie there is no comparison. Robert Plant did have a great voice, a bit too high pitched for my liking. The only person I'll have to agree is right up there with Freddie is Steve Perry from Journey. He had an incredible voice. I'm sorry I can break it down like a science to you folks like some of these "vocal specialist's" on this thread but its not my lot to act like I know what i"m talkin about when I don't........PEACE |
on my way up 26.05.2007 11:01 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: It's obvious after reading some of the post's on this thread that some of you don't know what the hell your talking about. Freddie having an "ashtray voice"?? "couldn't get past octave on the Jazz Tour"??....How about you give us your credentials and let us know where you went to school to study the human voice and all the sounds, ranges, and octaves that are out there? Let me touch on a few more things....Bono Vs. Freddie there is no comparison. Robert Plant did have a great voice, a bit too high pitched for my liking. The only person I'll have to agree is right up there with Freddie is Steve Perry from Journey. He had an incredible voice. I'm sorry I can break it down like a science to you folks like some of these "vocal specialist's" on this thread but its not my lot to act like I know what i"m talkin about when I don't........PEACEYou don't have to know anything about the human voice to hear that freddie's range barely expanded an octave during the jazz tour. For that, you have to know music. And many people without having any musical background hear it aswell(I do and I'm not muscially talented at all, just a lover of music). You can tell the difference between freddie singing in sapporo in 1979 and freddie singing some of the same songs in Newcastle later that year. Compare Don't stop me now, We are the champions or any other song for that matter during these two shows and you'll hear the difference in range:bad in sapporo and at his best in newcastle. And some people on here know what they're talking about, certainly the guy you cite:-) |
Mercuryking 26.05.2007 23:53 |
Well all i can say is , He wasnt human even with his bad days he still is leaps ahead of the rest. He was god. PERIOD. |
The Real Wizard 27.05.2007 00:53 |
You're missing out on a huge world of music, because you have deluded yourself into believing Freddie Mercury was flawless and better than everyone else in every way. All I can say is, I truly feel sorry for you. |
brENsKi 27.05.2007 04:32 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Well all i can say is , He wasnt human even with his bad days he still is leaps ahead of the rest. He was god. PERIOD.this is perhaps the saddest post in this thread he was not god (for the record, i don;t believe in god) 1. God does not exist 2. God (if he did exist) would be flawless 3. God (if he did exist) is immortal 4. God (if he did exist) is omnipresent 5. God (if he did exist) is all-powerful ....Freddie fell down on all five points by the way...did you hear about the dislexsic atheist who refused to believe in the existence of Dog? ;-) |
lyricalassasin77 27.05.2007 06:15 |
I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever. Your fighting a losing battle I can tell you that. I've found its the general consensus in the music world as well as on here that he was arguebly the greatest Male Rock Vocalist of all time. You can bring out your charts, you can do your science experiments, you can brag about your bootlegs, and you can do whatever else you feel necessary but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACE |
The Real Wizard 27.05.2007 13:02 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: by the way...did you hear about the dislexsic atheist who refused to believe in the existence of Dog? ;-)Hahahahaha! Good one! |
brENsKi 27.05.2007 13:38 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever....but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACEI wasn't doing any of the above I was challenging Mercury SingerofLife's statement: "Well all i can say is , He wasnt human even with his bad days he still is leaps ahead of the rest. He was god. PERIOD" the subject was about his live vocals - he was not the best of live singers- i know - apart from the bootlegs i have - i DID see them live FIVE times - 80s' vocals were very average. Not trying to convince anyone of anything - just asking them to present a more reasoned argument than MercurySingerofLife did. as for the "none existence of god" criticism...well if you believ in God that's good, i am glad for you - but as one who was brought up catholic and manged to see all the ills in this world created by religion - ie the following of a "God" - i can't believ that any God would allow his followers to suffer and that any God would want to people to fight/war/die in his name...therefore God does not (imo) exist |
mike hunt 28.05.2007 00:54 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever. Your fighting a losing battle I can tell you that. I've found its the general consensus in the music world as well as on here that he was arguebly the greatest Male Rock Vocalist of all time. You can bring out your charts, you can do your science experiments, you can brag about your bootlegs, and you can do whatever else you feel necessary but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACEby far the best post in this thread!....He was simply one of the best ever, and that you can't dispute. Was he #1?...maybe, or maybe not, but People like "sir" who claim to be queen fans, but come on here and always argue agianst queen are the saddest of all. It's one thing to be open minded, but it's another thing in every argument to go out of your way to argue against Queen. He's trying to sound like a know it all. To me people like this are much sadder than the blinded queen fan. 8 Fucking pages trying to convince someone to not like freddie's live singing, Are you kidding me! |
on my way up 28.05.2007 06:04 |
mike hunt wrote:oh dear, this reply says much about you, nothing about the people you're talking about.lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever. Your fighting a losing battle I can tell you that. I've found its the general consensus in the music world as well as on here that he was arguebly the greatest Male Rock Vocalist of all time. You can bring out your charts, you can do your science experiments, you can brag about your bootlegs, and you can do whatever else you feel necessary but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACEby far the best post in this thread!....He was simply one of the best ever, and that you can't dispute. Was he #1?...maybe, or maybe not, but People like "sir" who claim to be queen fans, but come on here and always argue agianst queen are the saddest of all. It's one thing to be open minded, but it's another thing in every argument to go out of your way to argue against Queen. He's trying to sound like a know it all. To me people like this are much sadder than the blinded queen fan. 8 Fucking pages trying to convince someone to not like freddie's live singing, Are you kidding me! |
mike hunt 28.05.2007 06:45 |
It's amazes me how many asshole are on this site. Brenski the athiest or "sir" and "on my way up" the know it all of queenzone. I never knew so many idiots could exsit on one site!... |
brENsKi 28.05.2007 06:50 |
mike hunt wrote: by far the best post in this thread!....He was simply one of the best ever, and that you can't dispute. Was he #1?...maybe, or maybe not, but People like "sir" who claim to be queen fans, but come on here and always argue agianst queen are the saddest of all. It's one thing to be open minded, but it's another thing in every argument to go out of your way to argue against Queen. He's trying to sound like a know it all. To me people like this are much sadder than the blinded queen fan. 8 Fucking pages trying to convince someone to not like freddie's live singing, Are you kidding me!bit unfair to criticise a reasoned argument just because you diagree with it. there are lots of music fans in here that like queen first and foremost (i am one of thjose) but it doesn't prevent my objectivity from seeing and stating that some bands were better or wrote better songs or were better live...or even had better guitarists...or production...or lyrics...or stageshows...ffs - it's all about opinions...why the fuck should everyone agree? and anyhow who are you to level a shot at Sir Gh for gainst-saying anything queen? it'd be a fairer assessment of you to state you like to argue - after all your profile says "Hobbies: causing trouble on Queenzone. " ;-) |
Sebastian 28.05.2007 08:44 |
Paraphrasing what a friend said, "this is a discussion forum, not a worship forum". |
on my way up 28.05.2007 09:48 |
Sebastian wrote: Paraphrasing what a friend said, "this is a discussion forum, not a worship forum".I agree! |
* adventure seeker * 28.05.2007 12:21 |
i havent read them all but i think that there a few vocalists that compare to paul rodgers live, hes un beatlable, i think freddie vocaly would strugle to beat paul live. |
Mercuryking 28.05.2007 22:23 |
Look , it doesnt matter if Freddie did a couple of bad shows , he is still the ultimate singer. EVER.
Im gonna tell you why i call the man a god. Its simple , he had all the things you could ever want in a musician/singer/showman ,he was incredible. The voice that he had was so beautiful and pure.
For those so called fans that hangs around here to even compare other singers to Freddie is just ignorant.
There will never be another singer/musician like him, he is THAT unique. If somoones THAT unique and special , then for me that is a God.
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever....but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACEI wasn't doing any of the above I was challenging Mercury SingerofLife's statement: "Well all i can say is , He wasnt human even with his bad days he still is leaps ahead of the rest. He was god. PERIOD" the subject was about his live vocals - he was not the best of live singers- i know - apart from the bootlegs i have - i DID see them live FIVE times - 80s' vocals were very average. Not trying to convince anyone of anything - just asking them to present a more reasoned argument than MercurySingerofLife did. as for the "none existence of god" criticism...well if you believ in God that's good, i am glad for you - but as one who was brought up catholic and manged to see all the ills in this world created by religion - ie the following of a "God" - i can't believ that any God would allow his followers to suffer and that any God would want to people to fight/war/die in his name...therefore God does not (imo) exist |
AmeriQueen 29.05.2007 00:56 |
My guess is that you have only seen or heard the Wembley '86 concert. The reason why is that it's the only common show that presents a less than 100% Freddie. He doesn't musically shift his voice towards some result like a lot of other greats, like Paul Rodgers for instance. Instead he counts on his voice to be enough without any attempt to stylize his vocalization into something unique to the song. He did this with certain tracks in the studio, but his voice used simply to the emotional play of the individual songs was how he went for it. In terms of stage presence, vocal talent and overall lead-singing-greatness, Elvis is the only one who can hang with Freddie. The difference is that Freddie and Queen wrote brilliant music while Elvis sang songs written for him at the dawn of classic rock'n roll/rockabilly music. In answering your question, bias or no bias, I cannot see anything near Freddie's live ability. Furthermore the 'Prophet's Song' vocal solo along with the 'De-Do-Day-Dat' vocal playarounds with the audience would be nothing short of brass arrogance if it didn't come off exceptionally well. To try it shows guts. Freddie did it with regularity to the sound of cheers and gasps from audiences blown away again and again. |
The Real Wizard 29.05.2007 01:13 |
<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:Haha... awesome... I didn't even have to defend myself this time. Thanks dude.. :Pmike hunt wrote: by far the best post in this thread!....He was simply one of the best ever, and that you can't dispute. Was he #1?...maybe, or maybe not, but People like "sir" who claim to be queen fans, but come on here and always argue agianst queen are the saddest of all. It's one thing to be open minded, but it's another thing in every argument to go out of your way to argue against Queen. He's trying to sound like a know it all. To me people like this are much sadder than the blinded queen fan. 8 Fucking pages trying to convince someone to not like freddie's live singing, Are you kidding me!bit unfair to criticise a reasoned argument just because you diagree with it. there are lots of music fans in here that like queen first and foremost (i am one of thjose) but it doesn't prevent my objectivity from seeing and stating that some bands were better or wrote better songs or were better live...or even had better guitarists...or production...or lyrics...or stageshows...ffs - it's all about opinions...why the fuck should everyone agree? and anyhow who are you to level a shot at Sir Gh for gainst-saying anything queen? it'd be a fairer assessment of you to state you like to argue - after all your profile says "Hobbies: causing trouble on Queenzone. " ;-) |
Matias Merçeauroix 29.05.2007 02:03 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Look , it doesnt matter if Freddie did a couple of bad shows , he is still the ultimate singer. EVER. Im gonna tell you why i call the man a god. Its simple , he had all the things you could ever want in a musician/singer/showman ,he was incredible. The voice that he had was so beautiful and pure. For those so called fans that hangs around here to even compare other singers to Freddie is just ignorant. There will never be another singer/musician like him, he is THAT unique. If somoones THAT unique and special , then for me that is a God.Valensia can sing EXACTLY like Freddie.<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever....but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACEI wasn't doing any of the above I was challenging Mercury SingerofLife's statement: "Well all i can say is , He wasnt human even with his bad days he still is leaps ahead of the rest. He was god. PERIOD" the subject was about his live vocals - he was not the best of live singers- i know - apart from the bootlegs i have - i DID see them live FIVE times - 80s' vocals were very average. Not trying to convince anyone of anything - just asking them to present a more reasoned argument than MercurySingerofLife did. as for the "none existence of god" criticism...well if you believ in God that's good, i am glad for you - but as one who was brought up catholic and manged to see all the ills in this world created by religion - ie the following of a "God" - i can't believ that any God would allow his followers to suffer and that any God would want to people to fight/war/die in his name...therefore God does not (imo) exist Plays piano WAAAAAY FUCKING BETTER than Freddie. Shreds on guitar. Plays a fucking lot of instruments, and plays them greatly. Writes OVERCOMPLEX MAGICAL MYSTIC COSMIC BOMBASTIQUE EXCENTRIQUE songs. And is better looking too. Now shut up. |
Sebastian 29.05.2007 06:07 |
> Furthermore the 'Prophet's Song' vocal solo along with the 'De-Do-Day-Dat' vocal playarounds with the audience would be nothing short of brass arrogance if it didn't come off exceptionally well. To try it shows guts. Yet he hadn't got enough guts to try 'Bo Rhap' intro or (with the others) the interlude. Talk about laziness... About Valensia, I completely agree. And there are many who (without neccesarily being better all-round musicians) were or are on a higher level than Freddie when it comes to live singing. In the studio ... that's a different matter: there may be better ones, but not so many. |
lyricalassasin77 29.05.2007 09:09 |
Unlike you and when I say "YOU" you should know who you are. I'm not going to keep up the mindless banter about this now very tired ass subject. You know damn well you was trying to blow smoke with all your talk of bootlegs, and so called knowledge of the Human Voice. Freddie's own peer's the very ones you cite as being better than him have conceded themselves how he was the greatest and could hit ranges and notes that not even themselves were capable of. Now you don't have have to agree with a bit of it, but I would say as far as this post goes you are very much the MINORITY! Sometimes you have to eat crow....PEACE |
lyricalassasin77 29.05.2007 09:14 |
VALENSIA SKY SURVELLIANCE....What a fucking Moron |
Sebastian 29.05.2007 11:57 |
Brian admires Hank Marvin, and it doesn't change the fact he was much better. Likewise, Paul Gilbert admires George Harrison and Jimmy Page, and he's much better guitarist than both of them combined and multiplied. So there are many people who admire Freddie but are/were much better live singers than he was. |
Matias Merçeauroix 29.05.2007 12:00 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: VALENSIA SKY SURVELLIANCE....What a fucking MoronIt's valensiaN sky surveIllance, thank you. That doesn't change the fact that Valensia Clarkson is much closer to be a God than anyone else is. |
brENsKi 29.05.2007 12:18 |
mike hunt wrote: It's amazes me how many asshole are on this site. Brenski the athiest or "sir" and "on my way up" the know it all of queenzone. I never knew so many idiots could exsit on one site!...just following your excellent lead man ;-) |
Micrówave 29.05.2007 12:44 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: There will never be another singer/musician like him, he is THAT unique. If somoones THAT unique and special , then for me that is a God.Well, then hello. I am your new god. I sing waaaaaaay better than Freddie and I write songs. That makes me unique. That and fingerprints. I command you to start listening to other singers now. Go! Brenski wrote: I can't believ that any God would allow his followers to suffer and that any God would want to people to fight/war/die in his name...therefore God does not (imo) exist*poof* |
The Real Wizard 29.05.2007 13:18 |
Sebastian wrote: About Valensia, I completely agree. And there are many who (without neccesarily being better all-round musicians) were or are on a higher level than Freddie when it comes to live singing. In the studio ... that's a different matter: there may be better ones, but not so many.Sure, there are people who are technically better singers and musicians than Freddie... but in the end, it all comes down to songwriting. People will remember Bohemian Rhapsody in 100 years... not a Queen cover album done by someone who was a more proficient musician. The majority of the technical musicians will come and go, but songwriting quality is what will ultimately make one artist endure over another. |
on my way up 29.05.2007 14:14 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:songwriting and also being unique. Freddie was more than just a musician. He has something that's difficult to describe. John Lennon had it, Jimi Hendrix had it,something mysterious.Freddie truly was a kind of magic. He is one of only a handful of artists that are good on all levels(not the best on all levels but good in all:as a singer, as a songwriter, as a performer, as a producer , even the clips got his touch). I will always be a huge fan altough I feel he wasn't always perfect.Some people have said interesting things about some of these aspects in this topic:thank you.Sebastian wrote: About Valensia, I completely agree. And there are many who (without neccesarily being better all-round musicians) were or are on a higher level than Freddie when it comes to live singing. In the studio ... that's a different matter: there may be better ones, but not so many.Sure, there are people who are technically better singers and musicians than Freddie... but in the end, it all comes down to songwriting. People will remember Bohemian Rhapsody in 100 years... not a Queen cover album done by someone who was a more proficient musician. The majority of the technical musicians will come and go, but songwriting quality is what will ultimately make one artist endure over another. |
Sebastian 29.05.2007 14:44 |
I partially disagree there. I'm sure Elvis will still be remembered in hundreds of years in spite of not being a songwriter. On the contrary, very few will know about Jim Steinman (sadly, because he's a brilliant musician). But yes, in a world filled with singers who've got all stuff bespoke for them (who sing superbly but hardly ever do anything else), there have been people like Mercury or Axl Rose who, far from being "just singers", are instrumentalists, composers, lyricists, producers and extraordinary all-round artists. |
Mercuryking 29.05.2007 20:10 |
HAHA you got to be kidding me, Valensia's versions of the queen songs SUCKED BIG TIME.
I mean he sounded nothing like freddie.Just listen to his version of Bohemian rhap, it sounded akward.
you cant even compare Valensia to freddie , they are MILES apart. (even valensia himself says this)
yeah he maybe written some complex stuff but they are SOOO UN-catchy compared to Freddies genius stuff.
Valensia is just a wannabe , first he tries to look like michael jackson then he tries to copy
Bohemian rhapsody with his Phantom of the opera (which by the way SUCKS HUGELY)
The only songs he has is Gaia and tere. and they arent THAT great.
you my friend should SHUT THE FUCK UP and dont ever compare freddie to him again.
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Look , it doesnt matter if Freddie did a couple of bad shows , he is still the ultimate singer. EVER. Im gonna tell you why i call the man a god. Its simple , he had all the things you could ever want in a musician/singer/showman ,he was incredible. The voice that he had was so beautiful and pure. For those so called fans that hangs around here to even compare other singers to Freddie is just ignorant. There will never be another singer/musician like him, he is THAT unique. If somoones THAT unique and special , then for me that is a God.Valensia can sing EXACTLY like Freddie. Plays piano WAAAAAY FUCKING BETTER than Freddie. Shreds on guitar. Plays a fucking lot of instruments, and plays them greatly. Writes OVERCOMPLEX MAGICAL MYSTIC COSMIC BOMBASTIQUE EXCENTRIQUE songs. And is better looking too. Now shut up.<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever....but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACEI wasn't doing any of the above I was challenging Mercury SingerofLife's statement: "Well all i can say is , He wasnt human even with his bad days he still is leaps ahead of the rest. He was god. PERIOD" the subject was about his live vocals - he was not the best of live singers- i know - apart from the bootlegs i have - i DID see them live FIVE times - 80s' vocals were very average. Not trying to convince anyone of anything - just asking them to present a more reasoned argument than MercurySingerofLife did. as for the "none existence of god" criticism...well if you believ in God that's good, i am glad for you - but as one who was brought up catholic and manged to see all the ills in this world created by religion - ie the following of a "God" - i can't believ that any God would allow his followers to suffer and that any God would want to people to fight/war/die in his name...therefore God does not (imo) exist |
Mercuryking 29.05.2007 20:14 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: HAHA you got to be kidding me, Valensia's versions of the queen songs SUCKED BIG TIME. I mean he sounded nothing like freddie.Just listen to his version of Bohemian rhap, it sounded akward. you cant even compare Valensia to freddie , they are MILES apart. (even valensia himself says this) yeah he maybe written some complex stuff but they are SOOO UN-catchy compared to Freddies genius stuff. Valensia is just a wannabe , first he tries to look like michael jackson then he tries to copy Bohemian rhapsody with his Phantom of the opera (which by the way SUCKS HUGELY) The only songs he has is Gaia and tere. and they arent even that great. you my friend should SHUT THE FUCK UP and dont ever compare freddie to him again.Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Look , it doesnt matter if Freddie did a couple of bad shows , he is still the ultimate singer. EVER. Im gonna tell you why i call the man a god. Its simple , he had all the things you could ever want in a musician/singer/showman ,he was incredible. The voice that he had was so beautiful and pure. For those so called fans that hangs around here to even compare other singers to Freddie is just ignorant. There will never be another singer/musician like him, he is THAT unique. If somoones THAT unique and special , then for me that is a God.Valensia can sing EXACTLY like Freddie. Plays piano WAAAAAY FUCKING BETTER than Freddie. Shreds on guitar. Plays a fucking lot of instruments, and plays them greatly. Writes OVERCOMPLEX MAGICAL MYSTIC COSMIC BOMBASTIQUE EXCENTRIQUE songs. And is better looking too. Now shut up.<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote:lyricalassasin_77 wrote: I'll have to agree that calling Freddie Mercury GOD is way over the top and is one terrible thing to say! I also believe though having somebody dismiss God as he doesn't exist is pretty stupid too. So what's the moral of the story? Both of you are idiots!! LoL......I find it funny that some of you come onto a QUEEN site were there are TONS of QUEEN fans and think that your going to convince them that Freddie wasn't the best vocalist ever....but you call the people on this site that blindly defend Freddie as being "sad and out of touch" but yet you are here 8 fuckin pages later still arguing about it and trying to convince people who it should be obvious to you by now aren't going to change their minds. So who's really the sad one?......PEACEI wasn't doing any of the above I was challenging Mercury SingerofLife's statement: "Well all i can say is , He wasnt human even with his bad days he still is leaps ahead of the rest. He was god. PERIOD" the subject was about his live vocals - he was not the best of live singers- i know - apart from the bootlegs i have - i DID see them live FIVE times - 80s' vocals were very average. Not trying to convince anyone of anything - just asking them to present a more reasoned argument than MercurySingerofLife did. as for the "none existence of god" criticism...well if you believ in God that's good, i am glad for you - but as one who was brought up catholic and manged to see all the ills in this world created by religion - ie the following of a "God" - i can't believ that any God would allow his followers to suffer and that any God would want to people to fight/war/die in his name...therefore God does not (imo) exist |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 01:02 |
WAY MORE COMPLEX WAY HARDER TO PLAY WAY MORE PRODUCED WAY MORE DIFFICULT TO DO He plays everything (except drums) on the Queen Tribute, and sings all the fucking vocals there. He is a GOD. You obviously know shit about Valensia, and music in general. Gaia is a KICK ASS song, and so is Kosmos... and Thunderbolt, Bonenhood, Life Is A Killer, Nathalie, Tere, The Barely Acceptable Truth Of Knowing, The Polka, Bleeding, Never Eyes, Blue Rain, The Masquerade, Millenium, Ley Park, Acquelcuela, Phantom of the Opera, Illsia, Mayte, Inshallah, Alyssa, Amateur, The Line, Night in Spain and almost everything he does is more than just great. Who else could make a non-Queen song, sound Queen (All The Young Dudes)? He kicks the rest of the world's ass. But, actually, I'm just trying to make people listen to Valens. I am extremely sure that you are a crazy schizoid homosexual moron that masturbates all day long while looking at Freddie's cock, and sticks candles up his very ass. You're not even qualified to be a human. Let alone being a musician, not even a sucky one (which is the kind you would be). I really hope your parents realize that their son is a moron, and kick you out of their house. Unless they're morons like you, which is possible. Now zip it, bitch! And listen to the people that actually have something useful to say, or at least something funny. You suck at living, go kill yourself. Enough said. |
goinback 30.05.2007 02:08 |
IMHO Freddie struck the best balance between showmanship and singing the best he could when he needed to. |
The Real Wizard 30.05.2007 02:43 |
Sebastian wrote: I partially disagree there. I'm sure Elvis will still be remembered in hundreds of years in spite of not being a songwriter. On the contrary, very few will know about Jim Steinman (sadly, because he's a brilliant musician).Very true. There are always exceptions, in everything! Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: you my friend should SHUT THE FUCK UP and dont ever compare freddie to him again.Yes, your majesty. |
mike hunt 30.05.2007 03:45 |
on my way up wrote:I couldn't agree more. What's the point of this discussion?...we all know freddie wasn't perfect, but for grown men (you know who you are) to argue with a girl that's probably 13 years of age is pretty pathetic. Was elvis perfect?...hendrix?...no one's perfect, get off the mans back!Sebastian wrote: Paraphrasing what a friend said, "this is a discussion forum, not a worship forum".I agree! |
Rick 30.05.2007 04:04 |
People who imitate Freddie's voice :') That's so sad and even more embarrassing. Why repeat history? If you want to make a tribute, use your "own" singing voice, otherwise you can't take it really seriously. At least, that's what I think. |
mike hunt 30.05.2007 04:50 |
good point rick!...being a great singer is just like the guitar or drums. It's all about originality and being creative with your voice. That's what makes singers like elvis and freddie or plant so great. How many people rip off elvis and do a great ripoff job?...but their never be in the same league as him. |
mike hunt 30.05.2007 04:56 |
on my way up wrote: I know there are people on this board that can say some intelligent things about this!!I hope people will judge open-minded, no blind pro-freddie comments please!!How does freddie rate when compared to other popular singers like Bono, Mick Jagger , Robert Plant , ...And only discuss the concert environment please!I want to see your opinions. I think he is good and better than most altough he is not as good as in the studio! I'm a big fan but I think he often lacked range and he could have sung with more guts(more variations)He could have sang with more guts?...didn't he sing with a fucking throat problem for his whole career?...he never got the operation cos he thought it would effect his singing style. Don't you know anything about Mercury?... |
on my way up 30.05.2007 06:38 |
mike hunt wrote:Who is freddie mercury? Never heard of him, sorry!on my way up wrote: I know there are people on this board that can say some intelligent things about this!!I hope people will judge open-minded, no blind pro-freddie comments please!!How does freddie rate when compared to other popular singers like Bono, Mick Jagger , Robert Plant , ...And only discuss the concert environment please!I want to see your opinions. I think he is good and better than most altough he is not as good as in the studio! I'm a big fan but I think he often lacked range and he could have sung with more guts(more variations)He could have sang with more guts?...didn't he sing with a fucking throat problem for his whole career?...he never got the operation cos he thought it would effect his singing style. Don't you know anything about Mercury?... |
Mercuryking 30.05.2007 10:28 |
You are such a sad person. Talking about me being gay , im straight and i know alot more than you it seems about music.
Phantom of the opera must be the worst song ive ever heard. Its soo obvious that he has tried to copy the structure of Bohemian rhap and he fails miserably.
He is average compared to fred.
Everyone is average compared to fred.
He's singing is akward. All he is , is an impersonator.
He lost his originality when he tried to copy freddie and michael jackson. And that means he himself is Nothing.
So i know ur an amature in music so you can stop trying to fool everyone that you know about music.
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote: WAY MORE COMPLEX WAY HARDER TO PLAY WAY MORE PRODUCED WAY MORE DIFFICULT TO DO He plays everything (except drums) on the Queen Tribute, and sings all the fucking vocals there. He is a GOD. You obviously know shit about Valensia, and music in general. Gaia is a KICK ASS song, and so is Kosmos... and Thunderbolt, Bonenhood, Life Is A Killer, Nathalie, Tere, The Barely Acceptable Truth Of Knowing, The Polka, Bleeding, Never Eyes, Blue Rain, The Masquerade, Millenium, Ley Park, Acquelcuela, Phantom of the Opera, Illsia, Mayte, Inshallah, Alyssa, Amateur, The Line, Night in Spain and almost everything he does is more than just great. Who else could make a non-Queen song, sound Queen (All The Young Dudes)? He kicks the rest of the world's ass. But, actually, I'm just trying to make people listen to Valens. I am extremely sure that you are a crazy schizoid homosexual moron that masturbates all day long while looking at Freddie's cock, and sticks candles up his very ass. You're not even qualified to be a human. Let alone being a musician, not even a sucky one (which is the kind you would be). I really hope your parents realize that their son is a moron, and kick you out of their house. Unless they're morons like you, which is possible. Now zip it, bitch! And listen to the people that actually have something useful to say, or at least something funny. You suck at living, go kill yourself. Enough said. |
lyricalassasin77 30.05.2007 12:17 |
10 pages and counting.....Who is this Valencia or whatever the fuck his name is anyway? Dude your music is about as hard on the ears as a fuckin fire siren you wannabe Freddie BITCH! You best wake up ALICE cuz your in WONDERLAND again if you think that crap you put together is music. What a pole smokin chump you are to attack people on here that have a bit of sense. Why don't you go lick the snotty end of somebody's fuckstick and save your moronic comments for something that you might be able to contribute too like the art of teabaggin somebody's sweaty balls across your egotistical snoze.......DISMISSED |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 12:23 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: You are such a sad person. Talking about me being gay , im straight and i know alot more than you it seems about music. Phantom of the opera must be the worst song ive ever heard. Its soo obvious that he has tried to copy the structure of Bohemian rhap and he fails miserably. He is average compared to fred. Everyone is average compared to fred. He's singing is akward. All he is , is an impersonator. He lost his originality when he tried to copy freddie and michael jackson. And that means he himself is Nothing. So i know ur an amature in music so you can stop trying to fool everyone that you know about music.OMGValensian Sky Surveillance wrote: WAY MORE COMPLEX WAY HARDER TO PLAY WAY MORE PRODUCED WAY MORE DIFFICULT TO DO He plays everything (except drums) on the Queen Tribute, and sings all the fucking vocals there. He is a GOD. You obviously know shit about Valensia, and music in general. Gaia is a KICK ASS song, and so is Kosmos... and Thunderbolt, Bonenhood, Life Is A Killer, Nathalie, Tere, The Barely Acceptable Truth Of Knowing, The Polka, Bleeding, Never Eyes, Blue Rain, The Masquerade, Millenium, Ley Park, Acquelcuela, Phantom of the Opera, Illsia, Mayte, Inshallah, Alyssa, Amateur, The Line, Night in Spain and almost everything he does is more than just great. Who else could make a non-Queen song, sound Queen (All The Young Dudes)? He kicks the rest of the world's ass. But, actually, I'm just trying to make people listen to Valens. I am extremely sure that you are a crazy schizoid homosexual moron that masturbates all day long while looking at Freddie's cock, and sticks candles up his very ass. You're not even qualified to be a human. Let alone being a musician, not even a sucky one (which is the kind you would be). I really hope your parents realize that their son is a moron, and kick you out of their house. Unless they're morons like you, which is possible. Now zip it, bitch! And listen to the people that actually have something useful to say, or at least something funny. You suck at living, go kill yourself. Enough said. SOME GUY FROM TREASURE MOMENT IS INSULTING ME I BETTER WRITE THAT DOWN ON MY BLOG! DID YOU HEAR THAT, SEBASTIAN? YOU CORRECTED BRIAN?? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!! CHECK THIS OUT!! A GUY FROM TREASURE MOMENT, THE VERY BEST BAND AFTER QUEEN, IS INSULTING ME THIS'S GOTTA BE WORTH A FORTUNE! Oh |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 12:45 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote: 10 pages and counting.....Who is this Valencia or whatever the fuck his name is anyway? Dude your music is about as hard on the ears as a fuckin fire siren you wannabe Freddie BITCH! You best wake up ALICE cuz your in WONDERLAND again if you think that crap you put together is music. What a pole smokin chump you are to attack people on here that have a bit of sense. Why don't you go lick the snotty end of somebody's fuckstick and save your moronic comments for something that you might be able to contribute too like the art of teabaggin somebody's sweaty balls across your egotistical snoze.......DISMISSEDu.u you're a waste of semen. |
Mercuryking 30.05.2007 12:50 |
You better believe it , Treasure Moment will be huge , just wait till we are finished, but TM is not the issue here , its your ignorance about Freddie we are talking about here.
You dont seem to get how incredible fred was and is and i dont think you will ever understand it either.
Valensian Sky Surveillance wrote:Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: You are such a sad person. Talking about me being gay , im straight and i know alot more than you it seems about music. Phantom of the opera must be the worst song ive ever heard. Its soo obvious that he has tried to copy the structure of Bohemian rhap and he fails miserably. He is average compared to fred. Everyone is average compared to fred. He's singing is akward. All he is , is an impersonator. He lost his originality when he tried to copy freddie and michael jackson. And that means he himself is Nothing. So i know ur an amature in music so you can stop trying to fool everyone that you know about music.OMG SOME GUY FROM TREASURE MOMENT IS INSULTING ME I BETTER WRITE THAT DOWN ON MY BLOG! DID YOU HEAR THAT, SEBASTIAN? YOU CORRECTED BRIAN?? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!! CHECK THIS OUT!! A GUY FROM TREASURE MOMENT, THE VERY BEST BAND AFTER QUEEN, IS INSULTING ME THIS'S GOTTA BE WORTH A FORTUNE! OhValensian Sky Surveillance wrote: WAY MORE COMPLEX WAY HARDER TO PLAY WAY MORE PRODUCED WAY MORE DIFFICULT TO DO He plays everything (except drums) on the Queen Tribute, and sings all the fucking vocals there. He is a GOD. You obviously know shit about Valensia, and music in general. Gaia is a KICK ASS song, and so is Kosmos... and Thunderbolt, Bonenhood, Life Is A Killer, Nathalie, Tere, The Barely Acceptable Truth Of Knowing, The Polka, Bleeding, Never Eyes, Blue Rain, The Masquerade, Millenium, Ley Park, Acquelcuela, Phantom of the Opera, Illsia, Mayte, Inshallah, Alyssa, Amateur, The Line, Night in Spain and almost everything he does is more than just great. Who else could make a non-Queen song, sound Queen (All The Young Dudes)? He kicks the rest of the world's ass. But, actually, I'm just trying to make people listen to Valens. I am extremely sure that you are a crazy schizoid homosexual moron that masturbates all day long while looking at Freddie's cock, and sticks candles up his very ass. You're not even qualified to be a human. Let alone being a musician, not even a sucky one (which is the kind you would be). I really hope your parents realize that their son is a moron, and kick you out of their house. Unless they're morons like you, which is possible. Now zip it, bitch! And listen to the people that actually have something useful to say, or at least something funny. You suck at living, go kill yourself. Enough said. |
inmydefence 30.05.2007 13:12 |
Why is it SO important to 'SomebodyWhoLoves' and certain others to insist Freddie was a tenor and the greatest singer who ever lived or will live?? i bet even if you bothered to research it you wouldn't believe that you might be wrong! here goes... i'll do the research for you. "Freddie Mercury possessed a remarkably light voice, capable of producing not only very high sounds but low sounds as well. If we were to classify him according to the classic standards he would be a light tenor or a lyric tenor. He had a most enviable vocal extension, with an outstanding range of three octaves and a major sixth, including his falsetto singing (F1 - D5). Since falsetto is not a part of a singer's real range, his real full-voiced range was three octaves (F1 - F4). But Freddie was actually a baritone. His lowest range, (below C2), it's not a tenor tessitura. He was a light baritone, who was actually singing in tenor's range. His passagio zone was, in fact, more similar to tenor's than a baritone's. He usually kept his voice between G2 and G3, but his head voice could go up to Bb3 easily, like in 'Somebody to Love', where the fact that he does not make a great effort to get to that tone is highly noticeable. In various songs you can hear him reaching C4 with his head voice, but there it is evident, both by the timbre and the vibrato of his voice, that he is shouting, in a way, forcing his voice." Taken from link PLEASE have a read... you never know, you may learn something.... then u wont spout so much crap on the forums. As for comparing Freddie to other singers when live.... i think no-one touches Steve Perry for a flawless live performance. freddie used to like the raspy sound of his voice which i think was deliberate. he had singing technique in that he knew how to breath for the higher notes (this's clear during love of my life on the montreal dvd- watch him breath into his STOMACH and not his chest anyone who knows anything about singing will know the importance of this!).. but when u allow the sound to be created "on the throat" with the raspy sound thats where you run into problems. the raspyness is created when the vocal chords collide which each other which happens when u hold back a little on your breathing support. but this also inflames you vocal chords and eventually leads to shouting (which is also the vocal chords colliding with each other only MUCH MORE harshly). but this style of singing and sometimes straining (as zebonka correctly pointed out) is degenerative and your voice gets tired and your range decreases. not to mention drugs alcohol and smoking are all considered negative for a singer. queen songs are hard to sing (not as hard as journey mind you) all whilst running around on stage! its hard work to maintain a good vocal performance, believe me! that accounts for his often poor performances. where as steve perry... He wouldn't allow anyone, band... roadcrew... NOBODY to smoke around him or back stage. I've never heard a poor vocal performance from him. STING is pretty consistant live (good technique) if a little boring sometimes... ANDREA BOCELLI is my favourite Male Opera singer. the pure SOUND of his voice is amazing. THE WHO's Live Aid performance of 'love rain o'er me' Totally blew me away. he also made a great job of I Want It All at the tribute concert IMHO. Eva Cassidy was the single most greatest FEMALE singer of all time in my opinion FLAWLESS live. Err.... Conclusion... Freddie voice Album = GREAT Freddie voice Live = Inconsistant... but what a performance. thats my tu'pence worth. |
Mercuryking 30.05.2007 13:14 |
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Mercuryking 30.05.2007 13:15 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:No problem ;PSebastian wrote: I partially disagree there. I'm sure Elvis will still be remembered in hundreds of years in spite of not being a songwriter. On the contrary, very few will know about Jim Steinman (sadly, because he's a brilliant musician).Very true. There are always exceptions, in everything!Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: you my friend should SHUT THE FUCK UP and dont ever compare freddie to him again.Yes, your majesty. |
john bodega 30.05.2007 13:34 |
"You better believe it , Treasure Moment will be huge" I'm going to remember this. |
Matias Merçeauroix 30.05.2007 13:38 |
Zebonka12 wrote: "You better believe it , Treasure Moment will be huge" I'm going to remember this.I can't imagine what would become of QZ if you weren't here xDDDD |
Sebastian 30.05.2007 13:40 |
> DID YOU HEAR THAT, SEBASTIAN? YOU CORRECTED BRIAN?? DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!! CHECK THIS OUT!! A GUY FROM TREASURE MOMENT, THE VERY BEST BAND AFTER QUEEN, IS INSULTING ME I'm so bloody jealous. > You are such a sad person. Talking about me being gay , im straight and i know alot more than you it seems about music. The typical losers' argument "I know more than you do". > He had a most enviable vocal extension, with an outstanding range of three octaves and a major sixth, including his falsetto singing (F1 - D5). Yes, but how often could he do those notes? Live, his range never was that large ... as some have mentioned here, sometimes it was merely an octave or a little more and that was it. > Freddie voice Album = GREAT > Freddie voice Live = Inconsistant... but what a performance. IMO, Freddie's voice Live = Nice, but notably inferior to his studio voice. |
lyricalassasin77 01.06.2007 10:20 |
you're a waste of semen. That's all that stupid poor bastard can comeback with. Can't blame you though fool. If I got lyrically assasinated like that I would comeup with some quick one liner myself and bail out.....What a fuckin chump....Moving on though......I'm very surprised to see this post is still going but I've heard Steve Perry live a couple of times and he is so NOT FLAWLESS......A great singer, and a close 2nd to Freddie but certainly not flawless. Peace.... |
Sebastian 01.06.2007 12:18 |
Not flawless at all, but certainly a better live singer than Lord Teeth. |
The Real Wizard 01.06.2007 12:58 |
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Phantom of the opera must be the worst song ive ever heard. Its soo obvious that he has tried to copy the structure of Bohemian rhap and he fails miserably.Are you kidding me? If anything, Webber ripped off Echoes by Pink Floyd (the descending chromatic line). By the way, putting you and Valensian Sky Surveillance in a room to discuss music is the most pointless thing ever, since neither of you bother to rationalize your arguments in any way. It's just a bunch of counter-productive drivel. Sebastian wrote: Not flawless at all, but certainly a better live singer than Lord Teeth.Haha...! I love it. |
Sebastian 01.06.2007 13:10 |
I think he meant a song by Valensia with the same title. I wonder which is the most overused title for a song btw, 'Take My Breath Away' has been used quite several times too... |
inmydefence 01.06.2007 14:22 |
Sebastian wrote: > |
inmydefence 01.06.2007 14:23 |
double post! i haven't figured out the *quotes* thing yet.... kinda shows. |
maxpower 01.06.2007 14:45 |
Are you people not listening? Danny Bowes out of Thunder is the best live rock singer this country has/had & unlike Freddie doesnt drop the key |
Richy Mercury 01.06.2007 15:27 |
SIR GH SAID: I have never in my life seen more musically closed-minded people than I have here at Queenzone. Yes, Freddie was amazing in many ways, but he had his flaws, like anyone else. And there were plenty of other singers who were as good as Freddie in many ways, or even better. His voice in concert was AVERAGE a lot of the time. ACCEPT IT. He sang We Are The Champions and Bohemian Rhapsody like the record version once or twice out of 400-500 times. He just couldn't do it live. When did he do this? |
maxpower 02.06.2007 06:02 |
I rest my case - what annoys about Queen fans is they think Freddie was untouchable listen to any live Thunder (if you aint got a clue who they are do some research) dvd/cd & you'll notice it is identical to studio version or as close as.. the reason I keep harping on about Danny Bowes is he & Freddie are my two favourite singers with Danny just edging it as far as live perfomances go in terms of singing, nothing else i.e. being able to hold 250000 people in palms of your hands etc.. |
The Real Wizard 02.06.2007 11:35 |
Richy Mercury wrote: SIR GH SAID: I have never in my life seen more musically closed-minded people than I have here at Queenzone. Yes, Freddie was amazing in many ways, but he had his flaws, like anyone else. And there were plenty of other singers who were as good as Freddie in many ways, or even better. His voice in concert was AVERAGE a lot of the time. ACCEPT IT. He sang We Are The Champions and Bohemian Rhapsody like the record version once or twice out of 400-500 times. He just couldn't do it live.When did he do this? Newcastle 12-4-79. This is definitely Freddie's strongest concert on tape. |
Asterik 02.06.2007 16:21 |
The question for me is did Freddie's voice entertain? The answer is yes. Rich whoever they are, is completely missing the point- of course I would not expect those perfect vocals live, I wouldn't want perfect vocals live otherwise we're in MOR Barbara Steisand territory. Now the fact is, some nights it sounded strained but it was still powerful and it was still entertaining. At Wembley, for example he might have barked rather than sung but in a stadium with 75,000 people I'd take barking any day. That version of WWTLF was fantastic- the way he roared "don't touch my wounds with my finger tips" sounded much more spontaneous live. Yes, We Are the Champs was an effort but he held the final note with power and it was a highly charged perfomance. I tell you compared with Sting and phil Collins etc his live voice was great- really prominent (unlike Jagger's barely audible croak). I'm not sating he is infallible but it is that vulnerability in his live voice that I enjoy becasue just as it produced difficulties, it also produced the mighty roar on Under pressure at Wembley. So please stop trying to bring down a truly individual live vocalist because you are all completely missing the point. |
Knute 02.06.2007 17:42 |
maxpower wrote: I rest my case - what annoys about Queen fans is they think Freddie was untouchable listen to any live Thunder (if you aint got a clue who they are do some research) dvd/cd & you'll notice it is identical to studio version or as close as.. the reason I keep harping on about Danny Bowes is he & Freddie are my two favourite singers with Danny just edging it as far as live perfomances go in terms of singing, nothing else i.e. being able to hold 250000 people in palms of your hands etc..I feel the same way about PR. He's one of those rare vocalists who actually outdo his studio recordings live. I have heard some Danny Bowes via youtube and I was impressed. When I first heard him I swore I could pick out some Paul Rodgers influence. Then I found out the he is indeed a big fan. |
mike hunt 03.06.2007 01:24 |
Asterik wrote: The question for me is did Freddie's voice entertain? The answer is yes. Rich whoever they are, is completely missing the point- of course I would not expect those perfect vocals live, I wouldn't want perfect vocals live otherwise we're in MOR Barbara Steisand territory. Now the fact is, some nights it sounded strained but it was still powerful and it was still entertaining. At Wembley, for example he might have barked rather than sung but in a stadium with 75,000 people I'd take barking any day. That version of WWTLF was fantastic- the way he roared "don't touch my wounds with my finger tips" sounded much more spontaneous live. Yes, We Are the Champs was an effort but he held the final note with power and it was a highly charged perfomance. I tell you compared with Sting and phil Collins etc his live voice was great- really prominent (unlike Jagger's barely audible croak). I'm not sating he is infallible but it is that vulnerability in his live voice that I enjoy becasue just as it produced difficulties, it also produced the mighty roar on Under pressure at Wembley. So please stop trying to bring down a truly individual live vocalist because you are all completely missing the point.I love his wembly performance. some of my all time favorites are during this show, but I can't get past a few horrible moments like "another one bites the dust" and I want to break free' those are two horrible performaces I usually skip, but the rest I love. |
Asterik 03.06.2007 06:37 |
QUOTE] I love his wembly performance. some of my all time favorites are during this show, but I can't get past a few horrible moments like "another one bites the dust" and I want to break free' those are two horrible performaces I usually skip, but the rest I love. Yes, Break Free never really worked well live. From Fred's lack of movement etc, you always sensed they were going through the motions there, playing it because it was a popular hit. If they had wanted to do a recent hit at Wembley they should have done It's A hard Life instead, which would have enabled us to hear some of Fred's piano work. As for ABTD, well it worked some nights and it didn't on others. I thought the 2nd night rendition was very sharp actually but he struggled a lot on the first night with his breathing. |
on my way up 03.06.2007 08:09 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Newcastle 12-4-79. This is definitely Freddie's strongest concert on tape. Yes, fantastic show from freddie!! He sings all songs perfectly. Save me, Don't stop me now , '39, Now I'm here, bohemian and Liar are some of my favourite freddie live performances. Greg's book made clear they have recorded some Crazy tour shows and I really hope they release one of these one day. Maybe he was as good during one of these recorded shows as he was in Newcastle.Richy Mercury wrote: SIR GH SAID: I have never in my life seen more musically closed-minded people than I have here at Queenzone. Yes, Freddie was amazing in many ways, but he had his flaws, like anyone else. And there were plenty of other singers who were as good as Freddie in many ways, or even better. His voice in concert was AVERAGE a lot of the time. ACCEPT IT. He sang We Are The Champions and Bohemian Rhapsody like the record version once or twice out of 400-500 times. He just couldn't do it live.When did he do this? I'd actually prefer a Cd box with about 4 shows from the seventies over a compilation DVD.I hope we will have both one day:-) |
lyricalassasin77 03.06.2007 09:36 |
Sebastian wrote: Not flawless at all, but certainly a better live singer than Lord Teeth.Lord Teeth huh? Why the hell are you on a Queen site if you want to ridicule Freddie? Could it be you have nothing better to do than beat a dead horse? That's the kinda comment somebody makes when they are losing an argument...Steve Perry?? ha ha... |
Sebastian 03.06.2007 10:02 |
I don't want to ridicule Queen or any of the members (i.e. Lord Teeth, Dr Wig, Mr Bulldog-Face and The Duke Ostrich). But as said before, this is a discussion forum, not a worship one. |
Richy Mercury 03.06.2007 22:06 |
Anybody like Michael Kiske? |
mike hunt 04.06.2007 00:49 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote:I don't know who was the best singer in rock history, but something to keep in mind is freddie sang a lot of different styles on stage from hard rock, "tie your mother down" then ballads, "love of my life" while perry pretty much sang the same style ballad/pop music. Of course if freddie sang only songs like love of my life and is this the world we created?...he would have had a much easier time, but going from one extrem to another would cause most singers problems. Just a thought.Sebastian wrote: Not flawless at all, but certainly a better live singer than Lord Teeth.Lord Teeth huh? Why the hell are you on a Queen site if you want to ridicule Freddie? Could it be you have nothing better to do than beat a dead horse? That's the kinda comment somebody makes when they are losing an argument...Steve Perry?? ha ha... |
My Melancholy Blues 04.06.2007 03:58 |
Just because he didn't sing and didn't hit the higher notes as same as he did on the original albums doesn't mean he was not great live. I don't mean to be a blind worshiper of him. But well, I'm thinking of their live setlists, for instance, he sings '39 cheerfully and on the same stage he sings Sheer Heart Attack kind of violently. Or he sings Love Of My Life emotionally and on the same stage he does Body Language thrillingly. In one stage his vocals make you smile or even laugh, thrill you, entertain you, cheer you up, make you cry, give you peace of mind, inspire you, make you feel released...not always that many, but very often...and that's why I've never got bored with his even in the live stages. Actually, I can't tell who's better, but there are very few who could do so like him. |
lyricalassasin77 04.06.2007 08:34 |
Sebastian wrote: I don't want to ridicule Queen or any of the members (i.e. Lord Teeth, Dr Wig, Mr Bulldog-Face and The Duke Ostrich). But as said before, this is a discussion forum, not a worship one.] Nobody is worshipping anybody you fool. But to sit there and make up goofy ass names for somebody is pretty damny childish...... |
Matias Merçeauroix 04.06.2007 13:13 |
HAHAHAHAHAHHA DUKE OSTRICH xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Go Sebas! |
maxpower 04.06.2007 14:25 |
ref the paul rodgers comparission with danny bowes, his actual favourite singer is stevie wonder & there's a element of steve marriott out of the small faces |
Sebastian 04.06.2007 21:49 |
lyricalassasin_77 wrote:In which case Lord Teeth was "pretty damny childish", because he used to come up with some rather silly nicknames for others (Gemma, Phoebe, Maggie...)Sebastian wrote: I don't want to ridicule Queen or any of the members (i.e. Lord Teeth, Dr Wig, Mr Bulldog-Face and The Duke Ostrich). But as said before, this is a discussion forum, not a worship one.] Nobody is worshipping anybody you fool. But to sit there and make up goofy ass names for somebody is pretty damny childish...... |
Knute 04.06.2007 22:56 |
maxpower wrote: ref the paul rodgers comparission with danny bowes, his actual favourite singer is stevie wonder & there's a element of steve marriott out of the small facesWell I know another guy who's a big Thunder fan and he said Bowes is definitely a huge PR fan. Besides, my ears don't fool me. I can hear it. Also I found this from link Lead singer Danny Bowes When asked what was the first gig he ever went to? How old were you? What was it like? His reply was Bad Company December '74 - Rainbow London "I remember every moment..." So it stand to reason that he was influenced by PR, like every blues-rock stylist has been. |
lyricalassasin77 05.06.2007 08:49 |
Wow I made a typo....maybe you and that Valensian fucker should go have a sausage party and let us know how it went ya Quier......By the way I misspelled it on purpose so I could leave ya something to comeback with....Either that or get him some pom pom's as he likes cheering for ya like a little high school bitch would...Give me an F......Give me an A.......Give me a G....I'll leave the spelling of those letter's to you since your such the English Teacher....Ballz on your chin again.....PEACE |
Dusta 03.07.2007 19:57 |
Yes! I have a friend, who is a singer, and, she always used to say that Freddie had an amazingly beautiful voice, but, needed to learn how to control it during live performances. She believed some training would have accomplished this.
In my, admittedly, untrained opinion, Freddie's voice is so expressive, and, powerful, it blended perfectly with Brian's guitar to make the unique Queen sound. As far as his live perforances: I can tell you that Queen songs are very difficult to sing(for an average singer, certainly), and, I imagine, even for Freddie, singing those already difficult songs, whilst prancing about in the heat for extended periods of time, must have made it difficult to hit some of those notes gracefully.
I have actually heard very very few singers who sound half as good live as they do on the albums(I'm old), and, I'm quite certain, were I to list them here, I'd be mocked mercilessly!<b><font color=B22222>daria wrote: In the post-war popular music genre, Frank Sinatra, Elvis Presley and some other 50s music singers&performers are/were naturally technically better than Freddie and can be counted to the greatest voices of all time (note: in the post-war pop music genre). Freddie had an amazing voice and great talents, but he had no vocal training. If he would have been trained, he really could have sounded "like God". Or he would have become an opera singer. |
The Real Wizard 05.07.2007 00:49 |
Dusta wrote: I'm quite certain, were I to list them here, I'd be mocked mercilessly!Nonsense! Bring on the list. |