| tgunn2760 28.09.2006 13:45 |
Both are from European TV programs, I don't know the date of the Amsterdam concert, it is post Mercury. The torrent file contains screen captures from both videos, so you can download those first and see if you would like to download the rest. My PC will be on constantly, except for the necessary quick reboots. |
| FriedChicken 28.09.2006 14:24 |
April 30th 2002 |
| Titan 28.09.2006 14:40 |
Error: Tracker Response Error:requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker in Tracker: link Doesn't work for me |
| Wilki Amieva 28.09.2006 14:58 |
Both officially available. |
| FriedChicken 28.09.2006 15:05 |
Amsterdam isn't officialy available. It was only available for a week or so, in a special promotion stunt from Heineken. It's not, and it wasn't, for sale in stores |
| radio_what's_new 28.09.2006 19:23 |
FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: Amsterdam isn't officialy available. It was only available for a week or so, in a special promotion stunt from Heineken. It's not, and it wasn't, for sale in storesIt remains a product released officially by Queen productions. The box of tricks for example is deleted a long time and the rainbow gig is also official. |
| FriedChicken 28.09.2006 20:43 |
I don't think that this was a Queen Productions release |
| tgunn2760 28.09.2006 23:41 |
Both clips are from European TV stations. I don't see how they can be official releases. Especially the Jubilee clip. There is a retail DVD of the entire concert featuring a number of artists. but this clip is just of Queen, from a European TV station. It is only about 18 minutes in length. The Amsterdam snow is only about 45 minutes. If the administrator thinks that these files should be removed, I will certainly remove them. ABOUT THE ERROR MESSAGE: I was getting a similar error message earlier, but I stayed with it and it eventually worked. I will upload the screen caps of Amsterdam first, then of Jubilee. |
| lenin 29.09.2006 00:18 |
VCD quality and with that fucking counter??? Why you're sharing that garbage??? Stop of sharing videos with so low resolution and with deliverated marks on the screens! |
| tgunn2760 29.09.2006 00:48 |
Some stupid s**t wrote: VCD quality and with that fucking counter??? Why you're sharing that garbage??? Stop of sharing videos with so low resolution and with deliverated marks on the screens! There are no markings on the video, s**twit, the time stamps are from the screen capture program. If you don't like the videos, DON'T DOWNLOAD THEM. I didn't upload them for your ignorant ASS. Screen captures of the Jubilee clips attached. |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 02:17 |
lenin wrote: VCD quality and with that fucking counter??? Why you're sharing that garbage??? Stop of sharing videos with so low resolution and with deliverated marks on the screens!Why do you only complain in video topics? I can use your help in some audio topics... :) |
| rhapsody8 29.09.2006 02:38 |
It doesn't work my friend... |
| tgunn2760 29.09.2006 03:42 |
It doesn't work my friend... It does work, I'm uploading at 90 kbps now...just stay with it. Stop it and turn it on again, it will work eventually. |
| tgunn2760 29.09.2006 03:44 |
Another twit wrote: Why do you only complain in video topics? I can use your help in some audio topics... :) Any time you or any other "big time collector" has better files to share, the tracker is link Talk is cheap. Put up or shut up. |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 04:00 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Any time you or any other "big time collector" has better files to share, the tracker is link Talk is cheap. Put up or shut up.I'm not going to share something here and have it end up in mp3s or mpeg-1 on rapidshare because someone wants smaller files. Forget it. Of all the band websites on the internet that attract thousands of visitors a day, this is the only one I've ever seen where members actually criticize people for having quality standards. This is absolutely pathetic. Have a look at the policies at The Traders Den. They have their business in order. |
| Jjeroen 29.09.2006 04:57 |
The copyright to the Amsterdam/Heineken cd-rom indeed licensed and belongs to QueenProductions; it says so on the cover and all promotional items. Sorry, but both these are considered official releases and are not allowed to be shared in here. Thanks for your good intentions in sharing these, but please delete the torrent. |
| Wilki Amieva 29.09.2006 08:12 |
Jeroen is right. Please do not share that stuff in here. |
| Erik Viking 29.09.2006 08:16 |
It's tv broadcast, so everybody can record this for self use. Everybody pay taxes in prices of blank cassetes, discs etc. for copyrights, so I CAN record EVERYTHING from tv. I CAN record "We will rock you" from tv and I CAN'T record "We will rock you" from my friends DVD. TV station have paid for Queen for this broadcast already too. They realise people will record this. So if it's ok sharing here some tv reports or tv docummentaries, nothing wrong in sharing this one. |
| tgunn2760 29.09.2006 09:59 |
I am still not sure if the files are official releases or not, I personally do not think they are, so, until an administrator from this forum tells me that the torrent should be deleted they will remain. |
| tgunn2760 29.09.2006 10:08 |
I'm not going to share something here and have it end up in mp3s or mpeg-1 on rapidshare because someone wants smaller files. Forget it. Of all the band websites on the internet that attract thousands of visitors a day, this is the only one I've ever seen where members actually criticize people for having quality standards. This is absolutely pathetic. Have a look at the policies at The Traders Den. They have their business in order. Some sites require only lossless formats be shared, others, like this one, do not. Had it been official policy to NOT share low resolution files, I would not have uploaded the files. But this site does NOT. And some people downloaded them. And what do you care what people do with their files? They share theirs, and you share yours. I'm sure you didn't record your bootlegs yourself, you most likely got them, especially when you first started colledting, on the internet, and for FREE. It is illegal to sell bootlegs, right? I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed. In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it. |
| Jjeroen 29.09.2006 10:10 |
tgunn2760 wrote: I am still not sure if the files are official releases or not, I personally do not think they are, so, until an administrator from this forum tells me that the torrent should be deleted they will remain.I am as good as an administrator. Please delete! ------ To Erik Viking: it does not matter wether it was recorded from tv or not. Wembley, Budapest, WWRY were all broadcast on TV but are not allowed to be shared in here either. They have been officially released. END And once again a reminder: it is not a matter of that WE don't want people to share this in here - it's the rules set by Queen Productions that we have to oblige to to avoid that Queenzone will be closed down. If you don't agree or find it stupid, complain to them - not to us. The rules of Queenzone are that THIS IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE SHARED IN HERE! No discussion needed. We ask you nicely to delete the torrent - no need to wait for any of the moderators to do that FOR you. |
| tgunn2760 29.09.2006 11:19 |
I didn't ask for the moderators to delete the torrent, I asked that one TELL me that he/she is a moderator and then tell me to delete it. I don't understand what "as good as a moderator" means, I see nothing on your profile that indicated that you are a moderator. I did however, delete the torrent. |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2006 12:15 |
tgunn2760 wrote: I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed. In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches. And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so. |
| Sithmarauder 30.09.2006 12:23 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:Do you have to be a trader to join TDD?tgunn2760 wrote: I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed. In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches. And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so. I'm not one, but I do have an excellent share ratio at dime and as you know here too. My FLACs are limited though. |
| The Real Wizard 30.09.2006 20:47 |
Sithmarauder wrote: Do you have to be a trader to join TDD? I'm not one, but I do have an excellent share ratio at dime and as you know here too. My FLACs are limited though.I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join. |
| on my way up 01.10.2006 05:15 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I have downloaded a few shows from trader's den and I'm looking forward to your posts. I will do my best to seed after I have downloaded. The only problem is that I'm only at home at the weekend , so I can't leave my computer on during the week.tgunn2760 wrote: I thought the idea of sites like this was to SHARE bootlegs of Queen. If I had good quality videos like Earl's Court, for which I am still looking, I would share it here, and not create a webpage to show what I have amassed. In fact, I would share it in a number of torrent sites, and make sure a lot of people have it.I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches. And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 09:04 |
I'll be sharing a lot of stuff at TDD. Here, the share ratio isn't kept track of... and as a result, almost everyone leeches. There have been countless times when something was shared, and there were over 500 leeches and one or two seeders. I wish I could share here as I've been a long-time member, but 99% of the people who come to this share forum are leeches. And then there's the old issue of stuff being converted to lossy format after it's shared. That alone is enough reason for me never to share something here. Do you honestly think I don't want to share 50 master clones and first generation copies? I'd love to! But I know for a fact they won't stay that way for long. Guaranteed, in every topic, there will be someone asking for mp3 and rapidshare. All it takes is for person who "thinks" they're being generous to do the deed, and bingo, the recording is ruined. Sorry, not a chance. I wish it wasn't so. Well, I'm not a "trader", so maybe this is why I don't understand the logic of all you claim. What difference does it make to you what people do with the files after you've shared them? Did people who shared their files with you put restrictions on what you can or cannot do with them? If some want to convert them to mp3 amd burn them to CD power to them. Some will keep lossless formats, some will convert them to lossy. How will this ruin the recording? You will still have your lossless format as will some others. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 09:16 |
If anyone is looking for Pink Floyd Roger Waters lossless video or audio recordings, here is a good site: link |
| The Real Wizard 01.10.2006 10:00 |
on my way up wrote: I have downloaded a few shows from trader's den and I'm looking forward to your posts. I will do my best to seed after I have downloaded. The only problem is that I'm only at home at the weekend , so I can't leave my computer on during the week.But if you're only downloading on weekends too, then you can only spend the same amount of time uploading as you are downloading, right :) |
| The Real Wizard 01.10.2006 10:05 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Well, I'm not a "trader", so maybe this is why I don't understand the logic of all you claim. What difference does it make to you what people do with the files after you've shared them? Did people who shared their files with you put restrictions on what you can or cannot do with them? If some want to convert them to mp3 amd burn them to CD power to them. Some will keep lossless formats, some will convert them to lossy. How will this ruin the recording? You will still have your lossless format as will some others.Think about this: People have has gone through the trouble to record a show, find the recording, and share it online. The least one can do is maintain the sound quality if they wish to spread it - and this is what FLAC is for. FLAC is like WinZip. It makes a file smaller, but it doesn't hurt the file in any way. Encoding something to mp3 is like putting a bad spice on a food. You can't take it away. It's irreversibly damaged. The quality is worse - even if you have encoded it at 320kbps. In any decently-run trading community, there are rules forbidding mp3, or any other lossless file format. Anyone who disagrees is either forced to read up and find out why, or they simply aren't permitted to be a member of the community. Less than 0.1% of Zeppelin, Stones, Rush, AC/DC, etc. bootleg cds are lossy. I'd say it's about 30-40% for Queen. At one point, my collection was about 1/3 mp3-sourced... then I learned, and started replacing my shows. At any decent trading website, it is a GIVEN that you don't convert a recording to mp3 and spread it. If you want to convert a file to mp3 and keep it for yourself, then that's great. But let's say someone has converted a show to mp3, burned it to cd, then traded it to a few people. Let's suppose that one or two of those people aren't aware of the mp3 vs. flac debate... so they spread it. Suddenly there are many lossy (mp3) copies and and lossless (flac/wav) copies. This is what's referred to as "polluting the trade pool". If mp3s are not made available, this kind of thing won't happen. And if people are educated about this and know that mp3 is worse, then mp3s won't be created and spread. I have made plenty of posts about this kind of thing, and they are either going over people's heads, or they aren't bothering to take it seriously. But if Richard created a sticky in the share section, forbidding mp3s, then suddenly people would have to learn. There is no other place (that I know of) for people to find links to mp3-sourced shows. Therefore, things would change dramatically. Everyone who traded cds would learn how to check to see if a recording is lossy or lossless... and the trade pool would slowly clean up... and most importantly, people outside of the Queen trading community would start to have some respect for us... at the moment, there is none. |
| Wilki Amieva 01.10.2006 10:56 |
Your comments are very welcome. I too participate on other sharing communities so I know what you mean. But, on the other hand, if a very simple rule like "do not share official recordings" keep being ignored, is there any room for hope? |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 12:08 |
Think about this: People have has gone through the trouble to record a show, find the recording, and share it online. The least one can do is maintain the sound quality if they wish to spread it - and this is what FLAC is for. FLAC is like WinZip. It makes a file smaller, but it doesn't hurt the file in any way. Encoding something to mp3 is like putting a bad spice on a food. You can't take it away. It's irreversibly damaged. The quality is worse - even if you have encoded it at 320kbps. In any decently-run trading community, there are rules forbidding mp3, or any other lossless file format. Anyone who disagrees is either forced to read up and find out why, or they simply aren't permitted to be a member of the community. Less than 0.1% of Zeppelin, Stones, Rush, AC/DC, etc. bootleg cds are lossy. I'd say it's about 30-40% for Queen. At one point, my collection was about 1/3 mp3-sourced... then I learned, and started replacing my shows. At any decent trading website, it is a GIVEN that you don't convert a recording to mp3 and spread it. If you want to convert a file to mp3 and keep it for yourself, then that's great. But let's say someone has converted a show to mp3, burned it to cd, then traded it to a few people. Let's suppose that one or two of those people aren't aware of the mp3 vs. flac debate... so they spread it. Suddenly there are many lossy (mp3) copies and and lossless (flac/wav) copies. This is what's referred to as "polluting the trade pool". If mp3s are not made available, this kind of thing won't happen. And if people are educated about this and know that mp3 is worse, then mp3s won't be created and spread. I have made plenty of posts about this kind of thing, and they are either going over people's heads, or they aren't bothering to take it seriously. But if Richard created a sticky in the share section, forbidding mp3s, then suddenly people would have to learn. There is no other place (that I know of) for people to find links to mp3-sourced shows. Therefore, things would change dramatically. Everyone who traded cds would learn how to check to see if a recording is lossy or lossless... and the trade pool would slowly clean up... and most importantly, people outside of the Queen trading community would start to have some respect for us... at the moment, there is none. ====================================== If Queenzone isn't up to your standards, why do you spend so much time here? There are other places where you can trade your lossless formats, the owner has not made that restriction here. Did you stop to consider that some people just don't have to software or know-how to record lossless formats? All they know is MP3, and they want to make a CD out of a bootleg audio recording. I don't see a problem with that. Lossless fanatics like you can still keep their "quality" recordings. And I am not writing this because I want MP3s. I do not care for any bootleg AUDIO. The officially released stuff is more than adequate for me. Is this really what's holding you and other "serious" traders back from sharing your collections? What about bootleg videos? Are you afraid people will download a DVD and rip it to an AVI and ruin it in the process? From my perspective, it is people like you that are the problem. You hang on to bootlegs you downloaded for free, and do not share it with others in the same manner you got your collection in the first place. That does NOT merit ANY RESPECT. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 12:11 |
Your comments are very welcome. I too participate on other sharing communities so I know what you mean. But, on the other hand, if a very simple rule like "do not share official recordings" keep being ignored, is there any room for hope? ============================== It might be helpful if there was a list of OFFICIAL RECORDINGS, I personally do not know what is official and what isn't, except for retail video recording that I have seen being sold, like "Tribute to Freddie Mercury", "Live at Wembley" and others. You might be overestimating the knowledge of some members of Queenzone. |
| Wilki Amieva 01.10.2006 13:53 |
Maybe. ...But then again you can always ask first when in doubt. Not to mention that there are several discographies on the net. |
| TheGame 01.10.2006 13:58 |
tgunn2760 wrote: If Queenzone isn't up to your standards, why do you spend so much time here? There are other places where you can trade your lossless formats, the owner has not made that restriction here. Did you stop to consider that some people just don't have to software or know-how to record lossless formats? All they know is MP3, and they want to make a CD out of a bootleg audio recording. I don't see a problem with that. Lossless fanatics like you can still keep their "quality" recordings. And I am not writing this because I want MP3s. I do not care for any bootleg AUDIO. The officially released stuff is more than adequate for me. Is this really what's holding you and other "serious" traders back from sharing your collections? What about bootleg videos? Are you afraid people will download a DVD and rip it to an AVI and ruin it in the process? From my perspective, it is people like you that are the problem. You hang on to bootlegs you downloaded for free, and do not share it with others in the same manner you got your collection in the first place. That does NOT merit ANY RESPECT.How many new shows have been shared here, do you have any clue what might be ONE of the reasons? Bob have talked about this in various threads, but it seems many people dont bother to take this seriously. This site is not used as trading lossless formats, so i dont see the reason why you brought that up. Also, this is a nice chatting board, so i dont see the reason why people cant spend their time here. Trying to learn others why lossless is so important is only positive. I dont understand why most people see this as an negative thing! I only wished more people could be an active part of this, so more people could learn the difference. Oh, and learning about other formats then mp3 is something most normal people would quickly learn, so that is no excuse. There are also FREE software that can do a nice job, so that is no excuse either. And yes, we have the same problem regarding mpg sourced dvd's. That is a big problem i'm sure other traders can confirm. And saying people like SirGH is the problem, that is just pure crap i dont take seriously. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 14:36 |
How many new shows have been shared here, do you have any clue what might be ONE of the reasons? Bob have talked about this in various threads, but it seems many people dont bother to take this seriously. This site is not used as trading lossless formats, so i dont see the reason why you brought that up. Also, this is a nice chatting board, so i dont see the reason why people cant spend their time here. Trying to learn others why lossless is so important is only positive. I dont understand why most people see this as an negative thing! I only wished more people could be an active part of this, so more people could learn the difference. Oh, and learning about other formats then mp3 is something most normal people would quickly learn, so that is no excuse. There are also FREE software that can do a nice job, so that is no excuse either. And yes, we have the same problem regarding mpg sourced dvd's. That is a big problem i'm sure other traders can confirm. And saying people like SirGH is the problem, that is just pure crap i dont take seriously. ============================================ "How many new shows have been shared here, do you have any clue what might be ONE of the reasons?" ============= I have NO CLUE what you are trying to say above. "This site is not used as trading lossless formats, so i dont see the reason why you brought that up." You should learn how to read, I didn't bring that up, and I pointed out that this site is NOT for trading lossless formats. "And yes, we have the same problem regarding mpg sourced dvd's. That is a big problem i'm sure other traders can confirm." RIGHT ON. And what is the problem with this? "Traders" who have better quality source videos but will not share them. Forcing people to make VCD sourced DVDs. GOT IT????? If I could get my hands on the video that was used to make a VCD I can make a good quality DVD. Do you see anyone sharing them? They all have "trade lists". They are worse than the MPAA. At least the MPAA is protecting the intellectual properties of their clients. These "traders" downloaded everything they have in their collections for FREE. When and how did file sharing get this perverted? |
| TheGame 01.10.2006 14:51 |
tgunn2760 wrote: RIGHT ON. And what is the problem with this? "Traders" who have better quality source videos but will not share them. Forcing people to make VCD sourced DVDs. GOT IT?????No, dont got it. So why do people trade vcd sourched videos and spread this polution? It's very similar as with audio. Mp3 is lossy, same is mpg sourced dvd's. You clearly havent been following the discussion in the other threads, thats why you have no clue what i was talking about. "If Queenzone isn't up to your standards, why do you spend so much time here? There are other places where you can trade your lossless formats, the owner has not made that restriction here" See, you did mention this. I know how to read, i think i have to celebrate this..shouldnt i? Come one, let me let me :) This is not a trading site, correct. Sharing is a part of the site, but wouldnt it be nice with some quality? Fuzzy little issue aint it. You say i cant read....well, i would start reading the other threads before getting myself involved in this discussion. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 15:11 |
"No, dont got it. So why do people trade vcd sourched videos and spread this polution? It's very similar as with audio. Mp3 is lossy, same is mpg sourced dvd's." I guess you're not very smart. If the better quality videos were made available, they would be traded, no one would want the inferior quality. Can you wrap your brain around this? And there is some use for the lower quality videos. One can download a VCD or MPG, view it, and then decide whether or not to download a DVD which is a much larger file. |
| TheGame 01.10.2006 15:21 |
tgunn2760 wrote: "No, dont got it. So why do people trade vcd sourched videos and spread this polution? It's very similar as with audio. Mp3 is lossy, same is mpg sourced dvd's." I guess you're not very smart. If the better quality videos were made available, they would be traded, no one would want the inferior quality. Can you wrap your brain around this? And there is some use for the lower quality videos. One can download a VCD or MPG, view it, and then decide whether or not to download a DVD which is a much larger file.Ok, you got me. I'm not very smart. Sorry, i should run away with my tail between my thighs. Oh, have mercy, be nice to me. "If the better quality videos were made available, they would be traded, no one would want the inferior quality. Can you wrap your brain around this?" NO, MY BRAIN IS ROASTED AND I JUST ATE IT FOR DINNER TODAY. THE BETTER VIDEOS ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED TRADING. IF EVERYTHING WAS SHARED, TRADING WOULD NOT EXISTED. DONT MIX TRADING AND THIS LOSSY DICUSSION, BUT WHO AM I TO JUGDE. I'M JUST A DUMBASS, RIGHT? MPEG IS FINE FOR PERSONAL USE, BUT PEOPLE TRADE THIS STUFF AND POLUTE THE TRADING COMMUNITY. MANY PEOPLE DONT SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOSSY AND LOSSLESS STUFF, AND THAT IS ALL WHAT THIS DICUSSION IS ALL ABOUT. LETS CHANGE THE ATTITUDE, HEY HEY HEY! ENOUGH OF THIS, ITS A DEAD END WITH YOU. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 15:23 |
Sir GH wrote: "I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join." Here is a link from TTD: link His ratio is 0.23. Talk about leeching. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 15:37 |
The not too smart Game wrote: "IF EVERYTHING WAS SHARED, TRADING WOULD NOT EXISTED." FINALLY YOU GOT IT RIGHT. TRADING IS THE PROBLEM. YOU ARE STASHING AND TRADING THINGS YOU DOWNLOAD FOR FREE. THESE THINGS DO NOT BELONG TO YOU. YOU GOT IT NOW? THIS IS THE REASON TRADERS LIKE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. |
| TheGame 01.10.2006 15:55 |
tgunn2760 wrote: The not too smart Game wrote: "IF EVERYTHING WAS SHARED, TRADING WOULD NOT EXISTED." FINALLY YOU GOT IT RIGHT. TRADING IS THE PROBLEM. YOU ARE STASHING AND TRADING THINGS YOU DOWNLOAD FOR FREE. THESE THINGS DO NOT BELONG TO YOU. YOU GOT IT NOW? THIS IS THE REASON TRADERS LIKE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM.Sorry, who said traders dowloaded things for free? Do you know how the trading world works? Are you clever enough in your tiny little brain to understand how the trading worked before internet was available? Trading is the problem? Again, stupid little me ( oh, i really care), i understand that the discussion is not trading, but the pollution of mp3 sourched material. Yeah, and small traders like me is the problem. I suggest you contact certain big traders and tell the same story to them. Lets see how far you reach then big boy. Take our little friend Andy who shared some nice mp3 shows. Everyone thanked him, and said this was so kind of him (even though they were lossy). He just admitted he had at least 5 shows nobody knows exists, and he would never share them. THIS ATTITUDE is the problem, or what do you think. Are your IQ high enough for such matters? Perhaps you dont care as long as he shares the ordinary mp3 shows he have? I know, its so easy to hit and run. Yeah, aint the world a great place. |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 16:07 |
I'm beginning to wonder if The Game is really retarded: "Yeah, and small traders like me is the problem. I suggest you contact certain big traders and tell the same story to them. Lets see how far you reach then big boy. Take our little friend Andy who shared some nice mp3 shows. Everyone thanked him, and said this was so kind of him (even though they were lossy). He just admitted he had at least 5 shows nobody knows exists, and he would never share them. THIS ATTITUDE is the problem, or what do you think. Are your IQ high enough for such matters? Perhaps you dont care as long as he shares the ordinary mp3 shows he have? I know, its so easy to hit and run. Yeah, aint the world a great place." Right again. Traders like you, and Sir GH and Andy are the problem. If eveyone shared their bootlegs, traders like you would not exist. |
| TheGame 01.10.2006 16:24 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Right again. Traders like you, and Sir GH and Andy are the problem. If eveyone shared their bootlegs, traders like you would not exist.Yes, Eureka, you figured it out. I'm retarded! Damn, this site gives me big laughes sometimes. Greg B. have so right sometimes. Go figure what i mean. Yes, traders like us is the problem. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Instead of your childish behaviour, why dont you help with a solution? So sharing everything is your solution. Well, traders would not exist then. Its so easy for people like you to just say something like that. Things dont always work the way we want, so instead of moaning, why dont you just keep your mouth shut until you can contribute with something constructive. Sir GH have tried to explain the problem in a very nice way, but you only repeat yourself: TRADERS ARE THE PROBLEM, PEOPLE LIKE YOU, SHARE EVERYTHING.. So, ham anyone? |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 16:42 |
Let's see if you get this: I'm NOT a "trader". If I had a good quality copy of Earl's Court, I would share it here and elsewhere. You and others in the forum ARE TRADERS. You have better quality copies of Earl's Court, but you DON'T share them. You can't see you are the problem, because you are part of it. |
| The Real Wizard 01.10.2006 17:45 |
tgunn2760 wrote: If Queenzone isn't up to your standards, why do you spend so much time here? There are other places where you can trade your lossless formats, the owner has not made that restriction here.I enjoy discussions here. I also am free to express my opinion, like anyone else, when I disagree with something. But no, there are no other places that share strictly Queen material. So, this is all we've got. I'm trying to make a difference here that will benefit everyone. But at the moment, most people here have no clue of what the problems are, even though I'm spoonfeeding them with the details of the problem, and the solution! Did you stop to consider that some people just don't have to software or know-how to record lossless formats? All they know is MP3, and they want to make a CD out of a bootleg audio recording. I don't see a problem with that. Lossless fanatics like you can still keep their "quality" recordings.You just don't get it! The fact that people here aren't educated about mp3 vs. flac means that collectors with rare recordings won't share them, out of FEAR that they will be encoded to mp3. Why can't you understand this? You said yourself you're not a collector... so maybe you should listen to a collector while he tells you the truth about the way things are. Is this really what's holding you and other "serious" traders back from sharing your collections? What about bootleg videos? Are you afraid people will download a DVD and rip it to an AVI and ruin it in the process?Yes, exactly! We don't share here because we don't want our recordings to be converted to worse quality. Simple as that. Do you honestly think I *don't* want to share everything I have? I'd love to! But each recording I'd share is guaranteed to be ruined within a few days. All it takes is one person to ask for something to be converted to mp3 and shared on rapidshare, and then the recording is ruined. If everyone here was educated about mp3 vs. flac, then I GUARANTEE YOU... I bet my entire collection... that there would be much more sharing done... and much better quality recordings. I sure would be incredibly happy... thrilled... to share something new every week if I was COMPLETELY certain that everyone here understood that FLAC/SHN, etc. is the only way to go... not mp3... and that people would seed after they download (which generally does not happen here, since ratio isn't kept track of... but that's a whole other discussion). All it takes is for the administrator to ban mp3, and suddenly people would be forced to learn. It would take a few months... but by then, the majority would understand, and we'd be able to weed out everyone who didn't understand... because they would be in the minority... like I am right now. That alone makes Queenzone a unique place. There is no other website of this size on the Internet where people who have quality standards are in the minority. "How many new shows have been shared here, do you have any clue what might be ONE of the reasons?" ============= I have NO CLUE what you are trying to say above.He was making the observation that NO new recordings (either new shows or quality upgrades of existing shows) have been shared here lately by collectors who own them. The reason is because they're afraid they'll be converted to lossy mp3... like I said above. Most Queen collectors are also afraid to share their recordings elsewhere, because it only takes one person to convert it to mp3 and share it here, and it's ruined. Until this mentality changes, people are NOT going to be sharing quality Queen material. If you want things to be shared, you need to learn the difference between good quality and poor quality. If/when that happens, this forum will be flooded with quality shares from people like me, because we will be completely confident that th |
| tgunn2760 01.10.2006 22:40 |
Sorry but your claims just do not make sense, and your arithmetic just does not add up. Do you really expect anyone to believe that newbies will spend at least 24 hours to download a near perfect DVD, and then turn around and spend another 5 hours of their lives to convert it to avi and then share it? I don't think so. Most likely, it is "traders" like yourself you convert lossless formats to lossy, to show what they have, in order to trade. Your fellow "trader" The Game said a few posts earlier, that a big trader named Andy shared MP3s of rare concerts. Are we to believe that Andy does not have lossless formats, that he converted to MP3 and shared? The alternative is impossible to believe: Andy had lossless; Andy shared lossless; Newbies downloaded lossless; Newbies converted lossless to lossy; Newbies shared lossy; Andy downloaded lossy; Andy shared lossy. Do you really expect anyone to believe this? As for your ratio at TTD, it indicates that you HIT AND RAN, and didn't have the courtesy to SEED what you downloaded. As you are well aware, you upload as you download, and my experience tells me that I upload about 20%-40% of what I download as I am downloading. I then stop the download, switch to SEED, and upload. I keep my ratio at least 1:1. If you go to Jamtothis, you will see my ratio is 1.13. But you didn't SEED at all, not with a ratio of 0.23. As far as only getting 1% of your items by downloading, it is also impossible to believe. You downloaded 16 GBs from TTD. That's at least 4 DVDs. Do you mean to say that you managed to get 400 DVDs by trading those 4? I don't think so. More than half of it would have to come via downloading, and NONE of your collection originated from you. Others recorded them, and shared them either via internet or snail mail. |
| MDNA 02.10.2006 07:05 |
This is an interesting and recurring topic here at QZ, and once again here is my view of it: 1 - There is nothing wrong with sharing or trading MP3 in my oppinion, as long as you who share/trade these recordings are absolutely truthfull about what you are sharing/trading. Just make sure everybody is happy with what they are getting out of the deal. I got to listen to my very first bootlegs thanks to Mr Scully and the Queenzone FTP server that used to share MP3 bootleg recordings. 2 - Traders are NOT the problem. I recently started trading for the fun of it, and since I recently started collecting lossless shows, my collection as it is is mostly downloaded from the internet (QZ, Dime, TTD, etc). 3 - Bootleg trading isn't a new thing that started when the internet became widly available. bootleg trading is as old as bootleging itself. People like Sir GH or Mr. Scully, to name but a few, have been probably trading since the days of reel-to-reel tapes, when you would meet people at concerts or fan gatherings. 4 - Using FLAC and other audio lossless formats does not imply the use of expensive software. in fact the FLAC codec, including winamp and Nero plugins can be downloaded for FREE. In my oppinion a lot could be improved with two litle things, and this is not the first time I said it: 1 - Sharing ratio enforcement and public sharing stats. 2 - Posting rules. these could eventualy include the ban of lossy formats in the long run. By posting rules I mean the following: detailed information about the files posted namely: Date of show Venue Quality complete lineage whenever possible Format used Complete setlist/description of contents We get a lot of posts like this: "Queen London 1980" and nothing else. this canot be considered as acceptable. One other thing that can't be allowed is the re-encoding of recordings. by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again; or take a MP3 recording burn to CD the rip it and encode to MP3 again. The later is particulay bad because it puts the recording thru two steps of quality loss. |
| Wilki Amieva 02.10.2006 07:59 |
"by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again" From a quality point of view, there is nothing wrong with that particular behaviour. |
| Jjeroen 02.10.2006 11:52 |
Oh my Lord... Another newby that doesn't know or understands the use and workings of the 'big' traders-community... How many more times do we need to explain and defend the strategies? It's so annoying to see people that don't know any better OR are not capable of thinking deeper then the things they see on a website but DO start judging people... Welcome to the board! \Stick around - read some shit. You'll learn... |
| tgunn2760 02.10.2006 22:47 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh my Lord... Another newby that doesn't know or understands the use and workings of the 'big' traders-community... How many more times do we need to explain and defend the strategies? It's so annoying to see people that don't know any better OR are not capable of thinking deeper then the things they see on a website but DO start judging people... Welcome to the board! \Stick around - read some shit. You'll learn... ============================ From my experience, it has been casual Queen fans who have shared most of the quality shows available on the internet. These may have come from "big traders" at one time. I don't know. Sir GH claims that he does not share his bootlegs here because the members only leech and do not seed, while he does the exact same thing if not worse on TTD. This is called HYPOCRICY. He claimed he only leeched but seeded afterwards, at a ratio of 4:1. His actual ratio is 0.23. This is called LYING. If this is the way the "big traders" community functions, I will stay away from them, and people who defend them. Namely, YOU. In case anyone is interested, two quality DVDs of Queen are being shared at TTD, "Hammersmith 1975" and "Houston 1977". |
| The Real Wizard 03.10.2006 00:27 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Do you really expect anyone to believe that newbies will spend at least 24 hours to download a near perfect DVD, and then turn around and spend another 5 hours of their lives to convert it to avi and then share it? I don't think so.It's more common with audio than video, obviously. Just count the number of posts that say, "can someone convert to mp3 and upload it to rapidshare?", because they're too lazy to learn about FLAC and/or bit-torrent. Most likely, it is "traders" like yourself you convert lossless formats to lossy, to show what they have, in order to trade.Speculation will get you nowhere. This is what people like Andy are doing. Not me. I have never in my life knowingly traded something that was mp3-sourced. A few years ago, I traded mp3-sourced material a couple times, but only because I didn't know how to check to see if a recording is lossless. I'll admit that. But there is nothing else to admit. Your fellow "trader" The Game said a few posts earlier, that a big trader named Andy shared MP3s of rare concerts. Are we to believe that Andy does not have lossless formats, that he converted to MP3 and shared?Of course Andy has the lossless ones... they're from his old tapes. But Andy isn't a big trader, that I know of. He seems to have a few interesting things, but he's never contacted anyone I know of for a trade. As for your ratio at TTD, it indicates that you HIT AND RAN, and didn't have the courtesy to SEED what you downloaded.I'm new to bit-torrent, and now I've finally figured out how to properly seed things after I've downloaded them. I had no intentions of pulling a "hit and run", like you suggested. I thought I was seeding, but now I know better. It was a software-learning issue. I am definitely no hypocrite. The intention was there. He claimed he only leeched but seeded afterwards, at a ratio of 4:1. His actual ratio is 0.23. This is called LYING.No, I said 1:4. For simplicity, I rounded it up to 0.25. 0.25 : 1 is equivalent to 1:4. 1 Gb u/l for every 4 Gb d/l. This is grade 6 math. As far as only getting 1% of your items by downloading, it is also impossible to believe. You downloaded 16 GBs from TTD. That's at least 4 DVDs. Do you mean to say that you managed to get 400 DVDs by trading those 4? I don't think so. More than half of it would have to come via downloading, and NONE of your collection originated from you.In my collection, I have about 300 DVD-Rs and 3000 CDRs, all of which were obtained by trading through the post. So yes, about 1% of my collection has been acquired by downloading. Probably less. Who made you the expert of my collection and trading history, anyway? I really don't know why you feel the need to attack me here, but suit yourself, if this is something you feel you need to do. I'll just continue to defend myself if I must. If you want to see me as some kind of enemy, then that's your perogative. Wilki Amieva wrote: "by this I mean taking a FLAC recording, use it to burn a CD then rip it and encode to FLAC again" From a quality point of view, there is nothing wrong with that particular behaviour.Yes, but it's still unnecessary. Burning it to cd one extra time creates the risk that digital errors could have happened. |
| tgunn2760 03.10.2006 02:28 |
This is what you wrote in the fifth message of page two of this thread: "I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join." 4:1 ratio is 4.00. 1:4 is 0.25. Have you taken Grade 6 math? I am not attacking you, I have better things to do with my time. You and the Russkie made smart ass comments about the low quality of the files I attempted to share. This is all I have. And I have been trying to point out that the reason for this, is that "traders" like yourself keep the quality files out of circulation. I also said that the casual Queen fan like myself is more likely to share his files than a collector. You sound pathological about your collection. I think you love it so much you don't want to share it with anyone. You write of a list of what I guess is supposed to be a pretty impressive inventory. Don't bother trying to impress me. To be honest, I don't know what it means. Nor do I want to know. I don't want to end up like you. I like the first five Queen albums and JAZZ. I have the retail CDs, and I am happy with what's on them, and I don't want to know what the musician intended to put on them by collecting FLAC and SHIN. What I do want, are a few early Queen concerts. And I don't want them to build a collection, I WATCH them. After I smoke my doobies. If they were commercially available, I would buy them, and not bother with this mess. But they are not. So, I have to download them. I thought I would be able to find them here. Obviously I was wrong, but that's OK because they do appear from time to time on JAMTOTHIS and TTD. I did manage to get a very good quality HAMMERSMITH DVD and I am now downloading HOUSTON 1977. My ratio there, BTW, is 0.58, and this while I am downloading. When I finish the download, I will seed until I reach at least 1:1. Once again: you "traders" are the problem. Not the newbies who share lossless formats. You have become so caught up in "collecting", that you forgot what file sharing was intended for: to share the music. |
| The Real Wizard 03.10.2006 02:49 |
tgunn2760 wrote: "I haven't shared anything myself there, but I just seed things after I download them. My ratio is about 4:1 right now. Anyone can join." 4:1 ratio is 4.00. 1:4 is 0.25. Have you taken Grade 6 math?My apologies for reversing the numbers. But I also explicitly said 1Gb UL : 4Gb DL before you still chose to call me a liar anyway for good measure. You knew what I meant. You obviously aren't a collector. You are ignorant of the workings of the collecting world - but I realize you aren't required to be otherwise. It is not simply a matter of sharing one's collection, and calling it a day. For someone who isn't interested in any most bootleg recordings, you sure have a lot to say on the topic. You are the umpteenth person to come here and speak about collecting as if you're the expert, and can determine what collectors should do with their recordings. The truth of the matter is, we are the ones who provide the recordings in the first place. We are not the problem at all. Without us, 99% of QZ's shares wouldn't be here, mp3 or otherwise. If people are happy with mp3, then so be it. But if they want the better recordings, then they are welcome to start collecting. To each their own. For now, this is the way it works here. In trading communities with quality standards, the average person understands that lossless is best. Here, to most, mp3 is best. If this changes, then maybe some collectors will change too. |
| tgunn2760 03.10.2006 09:42 |
"My apologies for reversing the numbers. But I also explicitly said 1Gb UL : 4Gb DL before you still chose to call me a liar anyway for good measure. You knew what I meant" ================== Sorry. You said the above AFTER I posted your ratio from TTD. You had initially claimed your ratio was 4:1, not 0.25 ============================= "You are the umpteenth person to come here and speak about collecting as if you're the expert, and can determine what collectors should do with their recordings. The truth of the matter is, we are the ones who provide the recordings in the first place. We are not the problem at all. Without us, 99% of QZ's shares wouldn't be here, mp3 or otherwise" ============================ YES! People like me come to this site to find bootleg recording of Queen. This is what the site was intended for. What has happened, though, is that we have become frustrated because "collectors" like you "stash" the recordings and keep them from circulating for one reason or another. "Collectors" like you may have 99% of Queen bootlegs in your collections, but I am confident that all of you put together are responsible for recording a very small percentage of these bootlegs. OTHERS did the work and shared them with you, but you and other "collectors" like you have gone and taken them OUT of circulation. |
| The Real Wizard 03.10.2006 13:10 |
tgunn2760 wrote: "Collectors" like you may have 99% of Queen bootlegs in your collections, but I am confident that all of you put together are responsible for recording a very small percentage of these bootlegs. OTHERS did the work and shared them with you, but you and other "collectors" like you have gone and taken them OUT of circulation.No... I've done plenty of work. Sometimes it takes weeks or even months to make an agreement with someone for a particular recording. Without that effort, many of the recordings that have been seeded here wouldn't have been here at all. Also, I've sat at the computer for hours at a time combining sources, or synching better audio to a video. I don't think any of these mp3-sharers have done anything of the kind. It's impossible to take a recording "out of circulation", as you claim. If a recording was circulating enough, then it would continue to circulate, as one or two collectors wouldn't hurt that process. Give me an example of a recording which you feel doesn't circulate enough, and if I'll give you the full story about it if I can. Did you see the "Freezer's Revenge" topic at TTD? Go there and tell them to stop hoarding their stuff, and see what they say. They probably wouldn't even give you the time of day because they've been dealing with people like you for decades who just have no clue of how the collecting world works. The Led Zeppelin New Orleans 73 audience recording got out only by sheer luck, and a hell of a lot of backstabbing in the process. I've been trading my recordings for years, and never completely hoarded anything. Those guys have been hanging onto their things for 30+ years without trading them even once... just bragging that they have them. In the Zeppelin community, there have been times where people come across the country to fight over a recording, and there have even been death threats. Queen collectors do nothing of the kind. People like me are far from being any kind of a problem. If you or anyone would like to have any of my recordings which you don't believe are available elsewhere, then you're more than welcome to contact me for a trade. I will never turn down a trade if I'm offered the right thing. You can't say the same for a lot of these hardcore Zeppelin/Stones/Floyd/Who/Sabbath fanatics. |
| tgunn2760 04.10.2006 02:16 |
There is no point in carrying this any further, you are so caught up in the "trader" mentality that no matter what I or anyone else says you are incapable of seeing the point. You were at TTD, and you downloaded some files. You replied to one Queen topic, I don't know if you downloaded either of the two, Hammersmith or Houston. On one of those threads, a number of people requested the Earl's Court DVD, which you claim to have, and in excellent quality. If you did not have the "trader" mentality, you would have replied and said " I have it, and I will post it". But you don't behave in that manner. You leech,and hold on to your files. If I had the Earl's Court DVD, it would have been up at TTD already. I have seen this DVD before, BTW, but not lately. You say you have it. You are not sharing it, when people in TTD requested it. TTD only allows lossless formats, yet you won't even post it there. How can you claim that "traders" are not keeping files from circulating? BTW, my ratio is almost up to 1:1, after downloading only one file. I will seed until others complete their downloads. It's only common courtesy. As for trading, I don't have much to trade. I only download what I think is worth watching, I don't "collect". I have Hammersmith, and now Houston of Queen bootlegs. The only other one I am looking for is Earl's Court, and if a better quality video of Houston is available, I would surely try to get that. On a different note: Whoever said that Houston was the Holy Grail of Queen bootlegs appears to be right. The first half of the concert I have seen so far is awesome. And the audio is stereo AC3 and sounds great. I have some questions regarding this bootleg, if anyone can answer them: I read the source for the Houston DVD was a VHS rip. Does anyone know if it was from a Japanese TV program, what format it was, avi or mpeg, and if that source file exists or is available? Thanks in advance. |
| tgunn2760 04.10.2006 02:31 |
One more thing: it may be too late to share the Earl's Court bootleg already. This from TTD: "-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Earls Court show would be a nice post. You can get it in Frankenshow form over at DIME... (as much as I love Dime, their policies are killing shows). There is a 10 second snippet of a song on Queen Rare Live, by far the worst video release from a band in the history of music. Because the song was "officially released" it had to be deleted from the torrent at Dime" |
| MDNA 04.10.2006 06:21 |
What is this "trader mentality" you're talking about? You make it sound like trading a recording is a bad thing. Get this thru your THICK scull. TRADING AND COLLECTING ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. Trading and collecting are the reason you are even able to get Queen bootlegs for download in ANY format. If it wasn't for the efforts of dedicated Queen collectors and traders many of the recordings available today in digital suport (CD/DVD) would have probably been lost over the years. It was by trading cassete tapes that most of these recordings first started to circulate, others by bootleg label releases in vynil or cassete. Yes, the first queen bootlegs available for download where MP3 and they where made available by traders and collectors that felt more people should have access to them, and saw MP3 as a quick way to achieve this. What they never expected was for people to see this as a way of getting in the trading comunity and for those early MP3 gigs to start entering the trading pool. This needs to be stoped, and thankfully there are people that understand this and strugle to preserve the quality of the recordings. What you call staching, I call preserving. If all the recordings where released soon whe would have a flood of multiple gen MP3 encodings. And yes MP3 degrades the sound quality. I first noticed this when I listened to an encoding of a South America gig and noticed there where bits of time you couln't ear ANYTHING, not even the tape hiss. I still have the show, I may be able to tel wich it is. And I didn't have a fancy expensive stereo sistem. You see, in order to compress the audio, the MP3 codec looses what it percieves to be unnecessary. In studio or high quality recordings this is hard to notice, but in bootleg recordings it is often blatant obvious. Now multiply this for N reencodings and you can begin to see the problem. From reading your posts I can see that you have absolutely no idea how hard it is sometimes secure a trade, or what kind of work goes in to finding new recordings/sources. You also seem to believe that collectors and traders are a new thing when in fact most of these people where arround collecting and trading probably before you where born. My advice get all your information together before throwing away acusations. Remember this, for you to have access to Queen bootlegs, someone recorded them, they where either traded as tapes or released by a bootleg label, people collected them and preserved them, then someone transferd them to digital format, edited and often enhanced it and made it available to you. From my point of view you how the Queen trading and collecting comunity a huge big thanks. I know I do. Sir GH you are NOT ALONE. |
| Jjeroen 04.10.2006 06:47 |
*applauds* Pfew... finally someone that spoke the wise words I did not feel like posting myself again for the zillionth time. I wonder though if this will make m get it... |
| The Real Wizard 04.10.2006 11:09 |
MDNA wrote: Sir GH you are NOT ALONE.Thanks for the great post. Very, very, glad to have your support. But I'm afraid you'll still fly far over the heads of the majority here. Most people just don't have a clue, even though we're spood-feeding them with every little detail. |
| L-R-TIGER1994 04.10.2006 11:59 |
I was just about to share some shows(I got more than 200 either FL AC and mp3) but with all this crap here I really don't feel like doing it I'm afraid,sorry. |
| Jjeroen 04.10.2006 12:24 |
L-R-TIGER1994 wrote: I was just about to share some shows(I got more than 200 either FL AC and mp3) but with all this crap here I really don't feel like doing it I'm afraid,sorry.lol - 'all this crap'? What you just said - THAT's a load of crap! |
| L-R-TIGER1994 04.10.2006 12:35 |
Really?ok,if anyone wants a concert,just mail me and I'll send it,anyone you like and you'll see I have it,for the rest,I don't care what people say. |
| tgunn2760 04.10.2006 14:15 |
"What is this "trader mentality" you're talking about? You make it sound like trading a recording is a bad thing" I described Bob's actions over at TDD: he downloaded, hit and ran, saw that people had asked for Earl's Court, which he claims he has, but he didn't share it. He advertised that he has a copy of Rainbow, but claimed he checked the regulations of the forum and discovered that he was not allowed to post an "official" release. Do you expect anyone to believe he didn't know that? Impossible. It looks to me like he was advertising his "stash" for snail mail trades, rather than sharing files, that he claims he has, in TTD, where he had just finished downloading 16 GBs. That's my point. Try to get THAT through your thick skull. ======== "Remember this, for you to have access to Queen bootlegs, someone recorded them, they where either traded as tapes or released by a bootleg label, people collected them and preserved them, then someone transferd them to digital format, edited and often enhanced it and made it available to you" Right. People DID record them, but most likely YOU and BOB did not record them. You got them because these people made them available to you. For free. But Bob is not doing that. Not here, because he claims people here degrade the quality. Well, TTDs standards call for lossless formats only. Is Bob sharing there? NOPE. Even after downloading 16 GBs, and ignoring requests to post a file he claims he has. ================================ "From my point of view you how the Queen trading and collecting comunity a huge big thanks. I know I do" What I have been able to secure so far, and it is not much, has come from CASUAL fans, who share their music. Not hard core collectors and traders who stash it. That's my experience. And I am grateful to people who share their files at TTD, and seed at least until my ration is more than 1:1 Your boy Bob hit and ran. And he has the audacity to claim that Queenzoners only leech and not seed. |
| The Real Wizard 04.10.2006 15:07 |
To tgunn2760: I really don't give a shit what you think. You've made it your personal mission to take time out of your day to attack me at a forum, and you're really not getting anywhere with it. Your monitoring of my activities at TTD along with your need to report them here is borderline stalking. Soon enough you'll be eating your words when I seed plenty of recordings at TTD. You can keep throwing the insults all you want. Time will tell what happens. |
| Bobby_brown 04.10.2006 15:22 |
tgunn2760 wrote: What I have been able to secure so far, and it is not much, has come from CASUAL fans, who share their music. Not hard core collectors and traders who stash it. That's my experience.I couldn´t say it better! The casual fans are the ones who share because they enjoy to share. They don´t expect nothing in return! The last Queen+Paul Rodgers was a great example, and i´m really thankfull for ALL the uploadings. I live im Portugal, and Queen never toured this land with Freddie, so it´s obvious that we don´t have access to as many material as we would like. Now, if you live in England, USA, Holand; Germany, Japan, you have access to almost everything Queen ever did! I understand the discussion about mp3 and i think it´s reasonable to keep the Best Quality recording, but please don´t tell me that great collectors don´t share because they´re afraid of mp3!! They don´t share simply because they don´t want to!!- It´s not in their blood and i respect it! What i can´t understand is the fact that so many fans upload reports from around the world, and other TV stuff that even big collcetors don´t have, and still they guive us the finger!! Take care |
| The Real Wizard 05.10.2006 11:52 |
Bobby_brown wrote: I understand the discussion about mp3 and i think it´s reasonable to keep the Best Quality recording, but please don´t tell me that great collectors don´t share because they´re afraid of mp3!! They don´t share simply because they don´t want to!!- It´s not in their blood and i respect it!Don't let Mr Scully speak for the rest of us. I respect his honesty, but let's be aware that not all collectors think alike. The last person who knows what goes on in a collector's mind and dealings is a non-collector, like you Bobby Brown, so don't put your two cents into a topic where you know nothing at all. All you know how to do is click and download. You can enjoy those mp3s from the Paris 79 DVD-rip for the umpteenth time, and we'll keep on trying to get recordings of other 79 shows you've never even heard of. But again, what am I talking about? These new recordings just drop down from the sky one day and magically end up on rapidshare for ignorant and ungrateful people like you to download. |
| tgunn2760 05.10.2006 14:05 |
"I really don't give a shit what you think. You've made it your personal mission to take time out of your day to attack me at a forum, and you're really not getting anywhere with it. Your monitoring of my activities at TTD along with your need to report them here is borderline stalking." You seem to have a very selective memory Bob. You and Lenin started this. I am merely retaliating to your unprovoked attacks. The line about borderline stalking is precious Bob, thank you for making me chuckle. Maybe you should take a valium, you sound borderline hysterical. It was sheer coincidence that I found your name in TTD. I had joined a few days earlier, and when you made some claims in this forum about your activities there, I used your stats to refute your claims. THAT'S ALL. And I am not against traders and collectors per se. I have no issue with people collecting Queen files, or trading them. I do have an issue with traders and collectors: A. asking for a return for something they got for free; B. asking for a return for something from casual Queen fans who don't have anything to trade. If there are rare items out there and collectors want to trade each other for them, I see no probem. But the things most casual fans ask for, are widely available. Another thing about you that irritates me and others, is that you are trying to change this forum to suit your desires. TTD allows only lossless files. This forum does not. You belong to both, so you can have the best of both worlds. Queenzoners do not go to TTD and ask them to change their policy. But you come here and expect to change this one. And on top of that, you are trying to tell people what they can and cannot do with their files. No matter how good your intentions are, or how good YOU THINK your intentions are, people will resent your attitude because no one likes to be told what to do. "Soon enough you'll be eating your words when I seed plenty of recordings at TTD. You can keep throwing the insults all you want. Time will tell what happens." Yes, time will tell. But based on what I have seen from you this far, I really doubt that you will. I think you love your collection far too much to share it with anyone. Not that I care personally. I have said before that I do not care for bootleg audio recordings,lossy or lossless. No matter how rare they are. On a final note, now that some sharing is taking place here, I hope that the people who are now downloading some files will make them available when others come to this forum and request them. |
| tgunn2760 05.10.2006 14:09 |
"I really don't give a shit what you think. You've made it your personal mission to take time out of your day to attack me at a forum, and you're really not getting anywhere with it. Your monitoring of my activities at TTD along with your need to report them here is borderline stalking." You seem to have a very selective memory Bob. You and Lenin started this. I am merely retaliating to your unprovoked attacks. The line about borderline stalking is precious Bob, thank you for making me chuckle. Maybe you should take a valium, you sound borderline hysterical. It was sheer coincidence that I found your name in TTD. I had joined a few days earlier, and when you made some claims in this forum about your activities there, I used your stats to refute your claims. THAT'S ALL. And I am not against traders and collectors per se. I have no issue with people collecting Queen files, or trading them. I do have an issue with traders and collectors: A. asking for a return for something they got for free; B. asking for a return for something from casual Queen fans who don't have anything to trade. If there are rare items out there and collectors want to trade each other for them, I see no probem. But the things most casual fans ask for, are widely available. Another thing about you that irritates me and others, is that you are trying to change this forum to suit your desires. TTD allows only lossless files. This forum does not. You belong to both, so you can have the best of both worlds. Queenzoners do not go to TTD and ask them to change their policy. But you come here and expect to change this one. And on top of that, you are trying to tell people what they can and cannot do with their files. No matter how good your intentions are, or how good YOU THINK your intentions are, people will resent your attitude because no one likes to be told what to do. "Soon enough you'll be eating your words when I seed plenty of recordings at TTD. You can keep throwing the insults all you want. Time will tell what happens." Yes, time will tell. But based on what I have seen from you this far, I really doubt that you will. I think you love your collection far too much to share it with anyone. Not that I care personally. I have said before that I do not care for bootleg audio recordings,lossy or lossless. No matter how rare they are. On a final note, now that some sharing is taking place here, I hope that the people who are now downloading some files will make them available when others come to this forum and request them. |
| The Real Wizard 05.10.2006 15:29 |
tgunn2760 wrote: Yes, time will tell. But based on what I have seen from you this far, I really doubt that you will. I think you love your collection far too much to share it with anyone.If you'd like to check out the recent share of the second generation Vienna 78 recording, allow me to be the first to prove you wrong. I don't want to waste any more time on you. For someone who isn't that interested in bootlegs, you surely are opinionated, and might I say, drastically wrong the majority of the time. If you're not a collector, then you have no clue about the way things work in the collecting world - even though I have outlined everything perfectly in a few topics on this forum. Mind your own business, please. If you want to download anything that's shared, then feel free to do so. Just keep in mind that if it wasn't for the person doing the sharing, the recording wouldn't be available in the first place, so respecting the conditions as laid out by the sharer is saying "thank you". |
| tgunn2760 06.10.2006 14:00 |
You are right Bob, I don't know how things work in the trading world. Others made the same point, that the "rules and regulations" were there, they didn't make them, they are simply playing by them the way they found them etc. My opinion is, just because it was so, doesn't make it right. As for voicing my opinion, it is my right to do so, and I will continue to express it. I don't have anything personal against you, I don't KNOW you at all. I also admit that you have proven me wrong, so far, but after all this nastiness I see that the forum is now functioning in the manner it should have been functioning in the first place. Once again, I do not care for audio bootlegs, so it's not like I got into this argument in order to get you all to share these for my benefit. And I wouldn't know a rare Queen recording if you beat me over the head with it. In case you or anyone thinks I may be downloading some of these, my IP address is 65.95.232.30, and the server IP address is 64.230.197.203, Bell Sympatico. I came to Queenzone looking for two concert videos only, I may later discover that I like others: the two I was looking for are Earl's Court, and a better quality of Houston if there is one available. When and if they are posted, I will certainly download them, and will not forget to write "thank you". |
| The Real Wizard 06.10.2006 18:27 |
Well, I'm glad we're on better terms then. The Earls Court DVD will come. I have a great video source, but I still need a better audio source. When the better audio source comes, I'll synch it to the video, fix the repeat during the RnR medley, and then share it here via BitTorrent. Just be patient. It will come! I'm looking forward to it as much as you are. |
| Bobby_brown 06.10.2006 19:21 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> drop down from the sky one day and magically end up on rapidshare for ignorant and ungrateful people like you to download.For a guy who declares that spends months negotiating a simple trade (let me say it again- TRADE), this is a very ironic answer to my reply! My words weren´t directed to you in particular, but for some reason you felt offended. Next time, try to search for better words to express your feelings without trying to offend other people. I try not to be disrespectfull to anyone, and i would like to have the same treatment. I understand your reaction, because you were being attacked in various topics and you just lost it, but i don´t deserve to be call those names, O.K? Of course i only click and download, did i ever said i´m a great uploader? I already explained that to Don Geraldo, and according to your reaction to me, you remember that discussion! But i try to be totally honest. If a collector says he doesn´t share, it´s up to you if you believe it or not!- I mean, there are people saying they don´t share because of Greg Brooks!!!! But even if i don´t upload (i only spend money collecting official items), i think i can point what i think it´s bad behaviour from even the great collectors. Andy has been sharing his collection to everybody (and boy, what a collection!), but i don´t doubt this: 1- Even big collectors may not have some of the items he´s sharing; 2- If he asks for a real rare gem (like "Face it alone"-just an example), i´m certain that no one will share it - they will probably trade it!! 3- He has lost his negotiation power, if he wants to trade in the future; This is why i say what i say. And yes, i´m gratefull for your recent uploads too, so thanks for that. Keep´em coming!! Take care |
| tgunn2760 06.10.2006 20:23 |
I think the flurry of activity of the last couple of days is a pretty good indication that if people share what they have freely, others are much more likely to follow suit. I noticed a thread in TTD where someone uploaded a Dire Straits DVD. A downloader then said that he had another, and asked if people wanted his as well. And then another offered his, and there are now three or four Dire Straits DVDs available on TTD. One can also upload some of his rare items on QZ, and in the same thread ask if someone has some of the files he's looking for. I'm sure if the downloaders have one or more, they would be happy to share them. |
| tgunn2760 06.10.2006 20:25 |
I think the flurry of activity of the last couple of days is a pretty good indication that if people share what they have freely, others are much more likely to follow suit. I noticed a thread in TTD where someone uploaded a Dire Straits DVD. A downloader then said that he had another, and asked if people wanted his as well. And then another offered his, and there are now three or four Dire Straits DVDs available on TTD. One can also upload some of his rare items on QZ, and in the same thread ask if someone has some of the files he's looking for. I'm sure if the downloaders have one or more, they would be happy to share them. |
| The Real Wizard 06.10.2006 22:50 |
Bobby_brown wrote:It was called sarcasm. :)Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6>drop down from the sky one day and magically end up on rapidshare for ignorant and ungrateful people like you to download.For a guy who declares that spends months negotiating a simple trade (let me say it again- TRADE), this is a very ironic answer to my reply! |