| That guy who digs energy domes 19.06.2006 23:43 |
This is an article from a Tampa newspaper. I think they did a great job- IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However...... the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language! "In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so! But once you are done complaining....... whining..... and griping....... about our flag....... our pledge...... our national motto........or our way of life...I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other Great American Freedom....... THE RIGHT TO LEAVE. - Now, I think the American public's real problem is Assimilation. Most all Americans are descended from immigrants somewhere, I am too, nothing wrong with that. Now, I have German heritage, as does most of Sheboygan, but what do I show for it? Beer, Bratwurst (wurst city in the world BTW), Oktober Fest and Brat Days. I do not hang a German flag on my house. My parents do not refuse to teach me English. I dont walk around claiming how the USA is terrible and I support my German pride If you look over the past 20-30 years, the Hmong and other Asian cultures have assimilated very well in the USA. Now the Hmong community is getting what they deserve, the Hmong Memorial for their service during the Secret War. In our press, we're having a 9 part story that started Sunday about their services that damn well needs to be told and they need to be honored for what they did. Now, I know this newspaper article has come so many times "Look at <insert race here> you should see how many they cram into one house and you should see what they eat they smell wierd blahblahblah"- Our teacher showed us one about Germans from 1915. Its hilarious considering Sheboygan's german population. To the current issue, there is nothing wrong with coming to the USA in search of a better life. We cant deny that immigration has contributed to the economy. I dont know about the rest of you but I like payin |
| deleted user 19.06.2006 23:51 |
Long! |
| Maz 20.06.2006 00:21 |
Paul McCartney Junior wrote: I dont support this train of thought but when Oliver Schnell and his wife came to the USA, they came legally.When did Oliver Schnell come to the United States? Paul McCartney Junior wrote: Ive said my part, what are your thoughts?That this argument regurgitates the same ol' tiresome rhetoric while not actually providing any critical analysis of the issue. |
| its_a_hard_life 26994 20.06.2006 00:24 |
<font color=orange>Fight From The Inside wrote: Long!Exactly! lol... |
| deleted user 20.06.2006 07:28 |
Paul McCartney Junior wrote: Ive said my part, what are your thoughts?If your part was simply "assimilate or leave" then my thoughts are: you need to think about it some more. |
| Poo, again 20.06.2006 07:54 |
Are you sure this is the right place to discuss this, Ben? |
| FreMe 20.06.2006 08:33 |
I dont bother to read that :s... Too long! |
| magicalfreddiemercury 20.06.2006 08:51 |
This is a hot button issue that won't go away any time soon. Immigrants - legal immigrants - should indeed learn the language. English first in this country. Sadly, it's more like English only for most of us. But when the discussion turns to 'culture', we must acknowledge that "American Culture" is a combination of cultures. There wouldn't be American culture as we know it without the influx of immigrants. I'm all for legal immigration. I love the melding of traditions, the diversity in foods, religious beliefs, clothing, etc. Illegal immigration is another story. It is, after all, illegal. IMO, there's nothing more to say about it. |
| user name 20.06.2006 16:23 |
One musn't forget, however, that a big part of our American culture is liberalism. We all share the right to left, and this is a core tenet of our culture. |
| Mr.Jingles 21.06.2006 09:22 |
Paul McCartney Junior wrote: 11 million people here illegally is a scary thought, that outnumbers the US army.11 million people willing to work is less scary than 11 million people with machine guns. |
| Saint Jiub 21.06.2006 11:10 |
11 million people willing to work ... and sell drugs, gangbang, get free health care & free education ... and keep wages low |
| Maz 21.06.2006 12:34 |
I just want to point out that there are two different definitions of "gangbang." Apparently, my mind went to the one that Rip *did not* mean. |
| Erin 21.06.2006 12:56 |
LMAO |
| Saint Jiub 21.06.2006 14:04 |
I wish it was the other gangbang. My eldest son will be attending high school in Aurora IL (gangland #2 in IL behind Chicago) in four years ... and there is no sign of a new high school being built. When we moved to the town of NORTH Aurora in mid 2000, illegal immigration was much less of a problem. Unfortunately, the gang bangers (get your mind out of the gutter LOL) have started pushing their weight around in North Aurora in the last year or so: Two shootings ... the criminals had hispanic names A burrito shop was closed down because the hard working owners were caught selling drugs. A local bar/restaurant two miles from my did have some gang problems a few years ago, but that has seem to go away with police enforcement and a "no hats allowed" policy. |
| Erin 21.06.2006 14:08 |
Aurora is home of Wayne's World....EXCELLENT! ;-) |
| Saint Jiub 21.06.2006 14:12 |
LOL - Not so excellent now ... a lot can happen in 5 years. |
| user name 21.06.2006 17:27 |
What is the definition of gangbang that doesn't involve a woman engaging in sexual intercourse with numerous men? Pardon my poor slang vocabulary. |
| Saint Jiub 21.06.2006 18:50 |
From dictionary.com: Slang. To participate in violent gang-related activities. |
| Mr.Jingles 21.06.2006 20:21 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: 11 million people willing to work ... and sell drugs, gangbang, get free health care & free education ... and keep wages lowGotta love generalizations. As far as I'm concerned, selling drugs is not related exclusively to illegal immigration and neither is gang violence. Illegal immigrants can't get free health care and free education for the simple reason that they don't even have social security. Even poor American citizens can get a decent health care. ...and that whole gang bang thing. That just made me laugh my ass off. |
| Saint Jiub 21.06.2006 23:05 |
Free education: link Free health care: link The other "Don't ask Don't tell" policy: link |
| blerp 22.06.2006 02:31 |
I come from the land of the ice and snow! Zeppelin :) |
| Poo, again 22.06.2006 08:57 |
... from the midnight sun where the hot springs blow! |
| Mr.Jingles 22.06.2006 09:34 |
Rip Van Winkle wrote: Free education: linkLocal news. It doesn't really apply to the entire nation. Rip Van Winkle wrote: Free health care: linkThe article clearly states that law requires ALL people to identify themselves whenever they receive medical services, to which I totally agree. I'm still wondering what's your point? Rip Van Winkle wrote: The other "Don't ask Don't tell" policy: linkLocal police authorities have far more important things to worry about than immigration. That's why there are immigration agents. The article also states that police has long cooperated to crack down criminal activity by suspected illegal immigrants. |
| yamaha 22.06.2006 21:38 |
Illegals can get free health care. All they have to do is show up at a hospital ER. They are not allowed to refuse service to any human. As long as it is illegal to be an illegal imigrant, I am happy. Prosecution seems obvious to me. We should be able to punish criminals such as illegals just like a foreign country would punish an American for commiting an overseas crime. There is plenty of work in the gulf coast. Perhaps there could be a temporary program to exchange labor and shelter for citizenship over a period of time. If someone really wants a job, we ought to be able to help them out. America is a team affair. You should be helping us out "taxes, accountability" while you reap the benefits of our society "wages, education, healthcare, stability". "I'm proud to be an American. Where at least I know I'm free. And I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me" Mike |
| magicalfreddiemercury 22.06.2006 22:11 |
yamaha wrote: Illegals can get free health care. All they have to do is show up at a hospital ER. They are not allowed to refuse service to any human. As long as it is illegal to be an illegal imigrant, I am happy. Prosecution seems obvious to me. We should be able to punish criminals such as illegals just like a foreign country would punish an American for commiting an overseas crime. There is plenty of work in the gulf coast. Perhaps there could be a temporary program to exchange labor and shelter for citizenship over a period of time. If someone really wants a job, we ought to be able to help them out. America is a team affair. You should be helping us out "taxes, accountability" while you reap the benefits of our society "wages, education, healthcare, stability". "I'm proud to be an American. Where at least I know I'm free. And I won't forget the men who died, who gave that right to me" Mike<<Applauding>> Very well said, Mr. Yamaha Mike. |
| Saint Jiub 23.06.2006 00:03 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:... But the police at many large cities are not even allowed to inquire about immigration status ... dont ask, don't tell.Rip Van Winkle wrote: Free education: linkLocal news. It doesn't really apply to the entire nation. ... Local news that has national implications because of a 1986 Supreme Court ruling that requires Americans to foot the bill for educating illegal aliens.Rip Van Winkle wrote: Free health care: linkThe article clearly states that law requires ALL people to identify themselves whenever they receive medical services, to which I totally agree. I'm still wondering what's your point? ... The US taxpayers are footing the bill (Over 1 billion dollars per year) for free health care for illegal aliens.Rip Van Winkle wrote: The other "Don't ask Don't tell" policy: linkLocal police authorities have far more important things to worry about than immigration. That's why there are immigration agents. The article also states that police has long cooperated to crack down criminal activity by suspected illegal immigrants. |
| great king rat 1138 23.06.2006 03:27 |
If people want free healthcare, they should come andf move to britain, we all get it here, and have done for over 60 years! |
| Mr.Jingles 23.06.2006 09:22 |
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with providing medical attention towards people who are illegal as long as they report their status as required by law. $1 billion going towards hospitals who give services to illegal immigrants is by far better than the $290 billion (and counting) that have been spent on a phony war. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 23.06.2006 09:26 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with providing medical attention towards people who are illegal as long as they report their status as required by law.The problem is, the tax dollars of law-abiding citizens pay for the medical attention illegals receive. I take issue with that. Mr.Jingles wrote: $1 billion going towards health care for illegal immigrants is by far better than the $290 billion (and counting) that have been spent on a phony war.Two wrongs, Mr. Jingles. Nothing more. |
| @ndy38 23.06.2006 09:27 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: $1 billion going towards hospitals who give services to illegal immigrants is by far better than the $290 billion (and counting) that have been spent on a phony war.Wonderful statement. |
| Saint Jiub 23.06.2006 11:20 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: $1 billion going towards hospitals who give services to illegal immigrants is by far better than the $290 billion (and counting) that have been spent on a phony war.I fail to see the link between illegal aliens and the "phony" war. Is this a desperate topic hijack attempt? Please stay on topic Jingles. |
| user name 23.06.2006 16:14 |
<font color=black>@ndy<font color=red>38 wrote:Except the two are not budgeted in the direct link that you suggest. Therefore, impotent statement...Mr.Jingles wrote: $1 billion going towards hospitals who give services to illegal immigrants is by far better than the $290 billion (and counting) that have been spent on a phony war.Wonderful statement. |