QueenZone discussion #750342

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: I'd rather see imperialism come back. We could use a few more stars on the flag.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: What can we expect from a fascist president.

Mr.Jingles wrote: Killing Bush would be a dumb move. We all know he's not even the president. He just takes the shit for the people who make decisions behind his back.

Erin wrote: Boy, that was a pretty stupid thing to do. I can't see them actually sentencing the kid to 5 years in prison, though. That would be ridiculous.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Killing Bush would be a dumb move. We all know he's not even the president. He just takes the shit for the people who make decisions behind his back.

That's true.

Erin wrote: Boy, that was a pretty stupid thing to do. I can't see them actually sentencing the kid to 5 years in prison, though. That would be ridiculous.

Exactly.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: What can we expect from a fascist president.

Lisser wrote: Our President obviously has to be protected since he is in charge of our country.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: I'd rather see imperialism come back. We could use a few more stars on the flag.

ONCE AGAIN THE SITH WILL RULE THE GALAXY!!! ...and we shall have peace.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Lisser wrote: Our President obviously has to be protected since he is in charge of our country.

Yes, but who the hell is going to protect US from HIM being in charge of the country? I've prayed to God to get us out of this shit, but I think he said something like... SORRY DUDE, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: I'd rather see imperialism come back. We could use a few more stars on the flag.

ONCE AGAIN THE SITH WILL RULE THE GALAXY!!! ...and we shall have peace.

What do you like best, UGA United Galaxy of America UUA United Universe of America USSA United Solar System of America

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: I'd rather see imperialism come back. We could use a few more stars on the flag.

ONCE AGAIN THE SITH WILL RULE THE GALAXY!!! ...and we shall have peace.

What do you like best, UGA United Galaxy of America UUA United Universe of America USSA United Solar System of America

I don't know, dude. Ask your buddies at Hitler's Yo... err, I mean Young Republicans which one they like better.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: It's only my opinion... Bush should be in prison, for war crimes, not a poor kid.

Mr.Jingles wrote: I don't know, dude. Ask your buddies at Hitler's Yo... err, I mean Young Republicans which one they like better.

Lisser wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: It's only my opinion... Bush should be in prison, for war crimes, not a poor kid.

The topic is about what this teenager did. Not about war crimes. The kid will not go to jail.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Lisser wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: It's only my opinion... Bush should be in prison, for war crimes, not a poor kid.

The topic is about what this teenager did. Not about war crimes. The kid will not go to jail.

Instead he will have his phone wiretapped, his computer being constantly hacked into, and secret agents following every single move he makes. He won't even have privacy when he takes a shit, leave alone the day he finds a chick to make out with on the backseat of his car.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Lisser wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: It's only my opinion... Bush should be in prison, for war crimes, not a poor kid.

The topic is about what this teenager did. Not about war crimes. The kid will not go to jail.

Instead he will have his phone wiretapped, his computer being constantly hacked into, and secret agents following every single move he makes. He won't even have privacy when he takes a shit, leave alone the day he finds a chick to make out with on the backseat of his car.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: I'd rather see imperialism come back. We could use a few more stars on the flag.

ONCE AGAIN THE SITH WILL RULE THE GALAXY!!! ...and we shall have peace.

What do you like best, UGA United Galaxy of America UUA United Universe of America USSA United Solar System of America

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: USAMT United States Of Alabama, Mississippi and Texas.

Lisser wrote: He won't get prison time. He'll get probation and community service. There has to be some consequence for what he's done. No one is allowed to threaten anyone's life. The difference here is that he threatened several government officials, the President being one of them. Our President obviously has to be protected since he is in charge of our country. That is why the FBI is involved. Thomas, what would happen in your country if this happened? Margua? Are threats against other's lives ignored and tolerated? I agree with what Haystacks said, as usual. Btw, Stacks, glad you are home safe and you had a great time in Cleveland! Is Katie feeling ok?

Ravenetta wrote: middle schoolers are stupid lol (sry, we all were middle schoolers once, and we were stupid)

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: You know Erin, I think I could live with that. The Jesus-freaks in the CSA and the sensible people in the USA.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: I'd rather see imperialism come back. We could use a few more stars on the flag.

Lisser wrote: He won't get prison time. He'll get probation and community service. There has to be some consequence for what he's done. No one is allowed to threaten anyone's life.

Forever88 <h6>PANINARO!</h6> wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: I'd rather see imperialism come back. We could use a few more stars on the flag.

wow, and i thought you couldnt be more american.

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: A preacher who says Chavez has to be murdered gets a mild warning, and this kid gets the whole FBI over him? Sounds like fascism to me!

<font color=green>Linda Of The Valley wrote: Are you guys serious? This guy slags Bush and the FBI come around? LMFAO only in America! (Ps i didnt read the actual article cos it wouldn't load for me, so maybe I'm missing the complete point.

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote: They'll just scare the holy hell out of the kid and then let him go. Thats what they did when the dumbass did it here.

Musicman wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: A preacher who says Chavez has to be murdered gets a mild warning, and this kid gets the whole FBI over him? Sounds like fascism to me!

There is a clear difference between a threat...and not a threat. Duh.

Forever88 <h6>PANINARO!</h6> wrote:

Lisser wrote: He won't get prison time. He'll get probation and community service. There has to be some consequence for what he's done. No one is allowed to threaten anyone's life.

tell me, can you really consider him a real threat. i say its just a stupid kid with a big mouth. it would be a different story from an adult.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote: A preacher who says Chavez has to be murdered gets a mild warning, and this kid gets the whole FBI over him? Sounds like fascism to me!

There is a clear difference between a threat...and not a threat. Duh.

So what Pat Robertson said wasn't a threat?

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

So I suppose Hitler wasn't a threat, because he didn't EXPLICITLY state the Jews had to be exterminated, but that a 'final sollution' was needed?

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

If I say to you... "I hope an asteroid falls from above and hits your house" According to you that wouldn't be a threat since I'm not God nor I have the capacity of physical power to actually make an asteroid drop on anybody. Yet my mental intention is that I'm making an statement where I'm wishing that something might possibly cause you harm. Pat Robertson doesn't have the power to order our military to kill somebody, and neither does the kid who said he wants Bush to get killed. Either those two are threats, or just simply non-threatening threats.

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

So I suppose Hitler wasn't a threat, because he didn't EXPLICITLY state the Jews had to be exterminated, but that a 'final sollution' was needed?

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

If I say to you... "I hope an asteroid falls from above and hits your house" According to you that wouldn't be a threat since I'm not God nor I have the capacity of physical power to actually make an asteroid drop on anybody. Yet my mental intention is that I'm making an statement where I'm wishing that something might possibly cause you harm. Pat Robertson doesn't have the power to order our military to kill somebody, and neither does the kid who said he wants Bush to get killed. Either those two are threats, or just simply non-threatening threats.

But the kid wasn't ordering someone beyond his power of control to kill the president. It's obvious that Pat Robertson did not have the ability to control the powers of the military. It, however, cannot be assumed that the author of the blatant death threat has not the ability to carry through with the actions stipulated within his threat. Through his letter, he would have made two assumptions: a) that he had the capability to make an attempt at the life of the president, and b) that he had the intentions of doing so. The only way to find out the veracity of these points is to issue an FBI investigation. He should be punished if not only for wasting the resources of the government, as he gave the government valid cause to use those resources.

Mr.Jingles wrote: Tu tambien me caes bien, Maruga. Tienes AOL IM o MSN? Me gustaria hablar contigo.

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

If I say to you... "I hope an asteroid falls from above and hits your house" According to you that wouldn't be a threat since I'm not God nor I have the capacity of physical power to actually make an asteroid drop on anybody. Yet my mental intention is that I'm making an statement where I'm wishing that something might possibly cause you harm. Pat Robertson doesn't have the power to order our military to kill somebody, and neither does the kid who said he wants Bush to get killed. Either those two are threats, or just simply non-threatening threats.

But the kid wasn't ordering someone beyond his power of control to kill the president. It's obvious that Pat Robertson did not have the ability to control the powers of the military. It, however, cannot be assumed that the author of the blatant death threat has not the ability to carry through with the actions stipulated within his threat. Through his letter, he would have made two assumptions: a) that he had the capability to make an attempt at the life of the president, and b) that he had the intentions of doing so. The only way to find out the veracity of these points is to issue an FBI investigation. He should be punished if not only for wasting the resources of the government, as he gave the government valid cause to use those resources.

C'mon, it's just a 13 year old kid acting like a silly little punk. The kid at it's worst should just be asked to do community service, but from there to actually treat him like a terrorist is completely fuckin' ridiculous. It's clear that this government is stepping down to the level of immaturity of a naive teenager who just wants to play bad-ass. One more sign of how this administration is wasting time and money on things that are not even worth it. Pat Robertson himself is more capable of actually convincing the government of killing Hugo Chavez giving his ties to the other bunch of ultra conservative cronies at the White House. On the other hand, the worst thing that kid could possibly do is vandalize local property, or shoplift snacks from a 7 Eleven. The most pathetic thing is that we have murderers, rapists, cons, and perhaps even terrorists in this country who are running free. Tons of crimes that are still unsolved, and we send the FBI to track a 13 year old kid who just has a little too much free time on his hands. The kid is not wasting government resources, they're wasting them themselves.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Tu tambien me caes bien, Maruga. Tienes AOL IM o MSN? Me gustaria hablar contigo.

MSN... But i can't give it here.. i'm a chilean man, who hates nazis, republicans (or right people), homophobics, etc..

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Tu tambien me caes bien, Maruga. Tienes AOL IM o MSN? Me gustaria hablar contigo.

MSN... But i can't give it here.. i'm a chilean man, who hates nazis, republicans (or right people), homophobics, etc..

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Tu tambien me caes bien, Maruga. Tienes AOL IM o MSN? Me gustaria hablar contigo.

MSN... But i can't give it here.. i'm a chilean man, who hates nazis, republicans (or right people), homophobics, etc..

Nosotros no somos todos malos. Algunos de nosotros no mordemos.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Tu tambien me caes bien, Maruga. Tienes AOL IM o MSN? Me gustaria hablar contigo.

MSN... But i can't give it here.. i'm a chilean man, who hates nazis, republicans (or right people), homophobics, etc..

Nosotros no somos todos malos. Algunos de nosotros no mordemos.

I know not all americans are bad, but the person who rules your country is evil...

Musicman wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Tu tambien me caes bien, Maruga. Tienes AOL IM o MSN? Me gustaria hablar contigo.

MSN... But i can't give it here.. i'm a chilean man, who hates nazis, republicans (or right people), homophobics, etc..

Nosotros no somos todos malos. Algunos de nosotros no mordemos.

I know not all americans are bad, but the person who rules your country is evil...

Ha ha, it's been a long time since I've heard the word evil used to describe somebody. However, I disagree. Being stupid and ignorant is quite different from being evil. I think that Bush has good intentions...he's just a dumbass. And of course, nobody "rules" our country. And saying one hates Republicans is kind of...misinformed. To be honest, Republican citizens tend to be wiser and more informed on economic matters. Of course, this is but a slight trend - but you must realize that in America, there really isn't much of a difference between MOST Democrats and Republicans. Nothing is ever so plain as black and white; everything exists in shades of gray...especially in the United States.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Musicman wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Louvre wrote:

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Tu tambien me caes bien, Maruga. Tienes AOL IM o MSN? Me gustaria hablar contigo.

MSN... But i can't give it here.. i'm a chilean man, who hates nazis, republicans (or right people), homophobics, etc..

Nosotros no somos todos malos. Algunos de nosotros no mordemos.

I know not all americans are bad, but the person who rules your country is evil...

Ha ha, it's been a long time since I've heard the word evil used to describe somebody. However, I disagree. Being stupid and ignorant is quite different from being evil. I think that Bush has good intentions...he's just a dumbass. And of course, nobody "rules" our country. And saying one hates Republicans is kind of...misinformed. To be honest, Republican citizens tend to be wiser and more informed on economic matters. Of course, this is but a slight trend - but you must realize that in America, there really isn't much of a difference between MOST Democrats and Republicans. Nothing is ever so plain as black and white; everything exists in shades of gray...especially in the United States.

I know that Republicans and Democrats are almost the same (in case of USA). But you are saying that Republicans knows most about economics and things like that. Well, i must say that the persons who ruled Chile between 1973 and 1990 studied in the University of Chicago, and they were the people who made my country going into a huge economic crisis, they passed the State enterprises to privates.

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: Musicman: No sabía que eras uruguayo... mejor hablar en español :)

<b><font color="blue">Maruga_Mercury wrote: Perfect, no problem... Search for ministers of Pinochet... like Joaquín Lavín (who was running for president in 1999 and 2005) Opus Dei member, Sebastián Piñera (he wasn't a minister, but he got rich with social prevision, Sergio Fernández, Jaime Guzmán, and others... you'll find that in one time one dolar costed 39 chilean pesos (now is around 500 chilean pesos)... When dolar was low, people became indebted themselves in dolars, but later dolar began to raise, and people were indebted, with levels of highest inflation and unemployment.

Brandon wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

So I suppose Hitler wasn't a threat, because he didn't EXPLICITLY state the Jews had to be exterminated, but that a 'final sollution' was needed?

You're a complete idiot and do a great injustice to all that's transpired before. Just coming from Germany and Austria, I have seen firsthand how bad the thrid reich was. I cannot even put into words how ridiculous comparing a senile and antiquated old man with geonicidal maniac and religious fanatic is. God the depths of stupidity this thread has breached.

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:

Brandon wrote:

<b><font color = "crimson">Thomas Quinn wrote:

Musicman wrote:

Mr.Jingles wrote: Asking someone to kill someone is still a threat though.

Not really, unless it's an earnest solicitation...and he didn't even do that. Basically what he said was no worse than the common phrase, "So-and-so/a certain group of people/Pat Robertson/you should be shot." (Pat deserves his own spot in that saying.) All he did was suggest that the military should assassinate him. If I said, "Our military could kill you, and they should, because you're a big jerk," I can't see how that would be any different from what he said. Now, it would be different if I had said "I'm going to kill you," "I have asked so-and-so to kill you," or, at the very least, "so-and-so is going to kill you." And particularly less threatening is saying the the government is going to do one of these things. I'm sorry, but I can't see how in any way what he said was even a minor threat.

So I suppose Hitler wasn't a threat, because he didn't EXPLICITLY state the Jews had to be exterminated, but that a 'final sollution' was needed?

You're a complete idiot and do a great injustice to all that's transpired before. Just coming from Germany and Austria, I have seen firsthand how bad the thrid reich was. I cannot even put into words how ridiculous comparing a senile and antiquated old man with geonicidal maniac and religious fanatic is. God the depths of stupidity this thread has breached.

Anyone who calls for the murder of a person or group is the same. Hitler and Robertson are both evil, so is Bush, who is as much a racist as Hitler and shows equally genocidal tendencies (see: Iraq and his desire to invade Iran).

Musicman wrote: Hmmm...yeah, it sounds like they really messed things up for a while. But why? Was the transition done in the wrong manner? At the wrong time? Or are these the costs we should expect from any drastic transition to privatization? Perhaps if they did it more gradually, it would have been less devastating...but would it have also been less effective in the long run? Or maybe it was the militaristic government that created some issues...I think this resulted in a very undisciplined and inexperienced privatization, where I can already see large gaps for things to go wrong. Any macroeconomics experts around the forum? I actually find this very interesting, and I would like to understand it better. Actually, I'm sure Maruga can give me a lot of insight on the situation as well.