| Smitty 23.02.2006 21:44 |
Isn't it strange that the supposed greatest peace-keeping organization in the world is the most politically corrupt, spineless thing that shakes their finger at the US for doing their job? Discuss. (Will I be flamed?) |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.02.2006 22:12 |
Two words: Hotel Rwanda. Words cannot describe how completely disgusting the UN is, but that film can. |
| deleted user 23.02.2006 22:14 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: (Will I be flamed?)Yes. Ironicly, you support that fucking moron that you call President but, at the same time, you know you're at the wrong side. Cheers. Mr. Tampon Tea. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.02.2006 22:18 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: Isn't it strange that the supposed greatest peace-keeping organization in the world is the most politically corrupt, spineless thing that shakes their finger at the US for doing their job? Discuss. (Will I be flamed?)...and the U.S. (particularly the Bush administration) is not corrupt? The reason why this world is so fucked up is because people choose to take sides when they see two wrongs. You might acknowledge the least wrong, but still recognize that there's a lot of things that are not quite correct about either one. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.02.2006 22:28 |
The problem with the UN is that they are afraid to do anything. I like FreddieGhettoTrench's example of hotel Rwanda. If you havent seen it, its about the massacre of the Tutsis by the Hutus. One Hutu said how they could kill 1000 Tutsis in 20 minutes. Thats 50 per minute- which is damn close to 1 a second. And what was the UN's answer to the US's idea of action? "Not Somalia" Not to mention that Rwanda was on the UN with a Hutu as their representative. Im not saying that the UN isnt a step in the right direction but it still needs work. |
| Music Man 23.02.2006 22:38 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: The problem with the UN is that they are afraid to do anything. I like FreddieGhettoTrench's example of hotel Rwanda. If you havent seen it, its about the massacre of the Tutsis by the Hutus. One Hutu said how they could kill 1000 Tutsis in 20 minutes. Thats 50 per minute- which is damn close to 1 a second. And what was the UN's answer to the US's idea of action?Reminds me of one of those logic problems. Is this statement true or false: If all Hutus are Tutus, and all Tutus are Tutsis, then all Hutus are Tutsis. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.02.2006 22:46 |
umm, not really, the Hutus and the Tutsis are the Shiites and Sunni of Rwanda. |
| Mr.Jingles 23.02.2006 22:49 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: umm, not really, the Hutus and the Tutsis are the Shiites and Sunni of Rwanda.NO SHIITE!! |
| Music Man 23.02.2006 22:52 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: umm, not really, the Hutus and the Tutsis are the Shiites and Sunni of Rwanda.I said it reminded me of them. It was a joke. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 23.02.2006 22:52 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:You say that the USA is so terrible and corrupt, why not leave?Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: umm, not really, the Hutus and the Tutsis are the Shiites and Sunni of Rwanda.NO SHIITE!! |
| Mr.Jingles 23.02.2006 23:07 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote:When did I say that the U.S. was so terrible?Mr.Jingles wrote:You say that the USA is so terrible and corrupt, why not leave?Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: umm, not really, the Hutus and the Tutsis are the Shiites and Sunni of Rwanda.NO SHIITE!! Yeah, there's a lot of corruption coming from the Bush administration, but you can't blame an entire nation for the decisions taken by a dozen idiots. There's a lot of moderate politicians, and heads of local government authorities (in both parties) who are not particuarly happy with the way things are being handled, and who are open to ideas and comments from people who want a things heading towards a better future. Things that could benefit EVERYONE, and not just the few who stand on top of the social/economical ladder. Besides, if we told everyone who disagrees to LEAVE, wouldn't that be some sort of totaliarist/fascist way how to run a nation? |
| Maz 24.02.2006 02:16 |
Queen Of WrestlingThe US had an idea of action? First I've heard of it. The US could have done a lot more, yet managed to get in the way. link link |
| Serry... 24.02.2006 04:36 |
Isn't it strange that the supposed greatest peace-keeping country in the world have some guys in President's administration who doesn't know what's the difference between Slovenia and Slovakia? How many pro-USA and anti-USA threads do we need here? |
| TheImpossibleMan 24.02.2006 06:03 |
This thread is gay. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 24.02.2006 13:05 |
Zeni wrote:wikipedia, great source. And anyway, Belgium was given the responsiblility and thats what they got.Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: And what was the UN's answer to the US's idea of action? "Not Somalia"The US had an idea of action? First I've heard of it. The US could have done a lot more, yet managed to get in the way. link link And since when should it be the USA's job to play babysitter for the rest of the world? |
| Maz 24.02.2006 13:33 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: wikipedia, great source.Apparently, you didn't take the time to read the other source provided. Wikipedia gets to the point, that's why it was included. You could use the education. |
| Mr.Jingles 24.02.2006 13:36 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote:Because the American extreme right-wing keeps saying that the U.N. should be eliminated, and the U.S. should completely take the right to handle foreign affairs worldwide.Zeni wrote:wikipedia, great source. And anyway, Belgium was given the responsiblility and thats what they got. And since when should it be the USA's job to play babysitter for the rest of the world?Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: And what was the UN's answer to the US's idea of action? "Not Somalia"The US had an idea of action? First I've heard of it. The US could have done a lot more, yet managed to get in the way. link link If the U.S is going to become the world's police (no 'Team America' pun intended), why should we take care responsibility of only those things that we consider important? It just doesn't make sense. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 24.02.2006 20:29 |
You two are both from the USA and you are constantly whining about it. There is nothing wrong with questioning government but you do nothing about it. You sit there and sigh while you do nothing to help your country. Maybe if you had a legitamate arguement and you stayed the course you could change something. But guess what Bush is the president and unless you have a couple million dollars to send to the democrats, there is nothing you can do about it. |
| Maz 24.02.2006 23:29 |
Queen Of Wrestling*Sigh* You've apparently not learned critical thinking skills yet. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 24.02.2006 23:48 |
or maybe I realized that question without action is a waste of air. |
| Music Man 24.02.2006 23:56 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: or maybe I realized that question without action is a waste of air.Every four years we get a chance for action, and without all this preexisting questioning, we would all be making a waste of this opportunity. It takes four years to make such an important decision - not just the few months before election. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 25.02.2006 00:18 |
yes, and? |
| Music Man 25.02.2006 01:03 |
Therefore, all their bitching is all in preparation for the day at hand when their voices shall be heard. |
| Maz 25.02.2006 01:18 |
Queen Of WrestlingTell me, please, what action you suggest? According to you, I constantly whine about the US, which comes as a bit of shock to myself. According to you, talking about issues is worthless unless you have action, whatever that "action" might be. What I see, however, is a teenager convinced that everyone else is wrong, yet provides no evidence of that fact. I also see a teenager who makes too many assumptions about other posters on a noticeboard. And, finally, I see a teenager who fails to understand that citizenship often means questioning the workings of power. Blindly accepting anything, right or left, is worthless. Social change from below does work. Read a history book sometime. But, since you have everything already figured out, what action do you suggest? |
| deleted user 25.02.2006 10:33 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: You two are both from the USA and you are constantly whining about it. There is nothing wrong with questioning government but you do nothing about it. You sit there and sigh while you do nothing to help your country. Maybe if you had a legitamate arguement and you stayed the course you could change something. But guess what Bush is the president and unless you have a couple million dollars to send to the democrats, there is nothing you can do about it.There is nothing you can do about it period. No amount of money can change the way things get done. The people have no say in who gets elected. It's obvious. It's all in the government and who THEY want in. Voting counts only as numbers...it's all bullshit. As you saw when Bush got elected the first time. Voting makes people THINK they have a voice when they really have nothing but a worthless piece of paper. |
| deleted user 25.02.2006 10:36 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Oddly enough Thomas, I agree with you.Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote:Since they're always trying to anyway? You're 100% an American. If you are told NOT to interfere, you do so, and thus act like you're the international police force; then, when you OUGHT to have interfered, you don't, and tell the rest of the world you're not our baby sitter. Bunch of fucking hypocrits. If it were up to me, every goddamn country in the world would enforce an economic boycot against the US until your Nazi-president is put up against the wall, your officers responsible for the atrocities in Iraq, Afghanistan and against illegal prisoners are prosecuted and preferably locked up for all of eternity and your soldiers are withdrawn. Then, the US ought to be forced to cut their army down to 10% of its current size. That way, world peace actually has a chance.Zeni wrote:wikipedia, great source. And anyway, Belgium was given the responsiblility and thats what they got. And since when should it be the USA's job to play babysitter for the rest of the world?Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: And what was the UN's answer to the US's idea of action? "Not Somalia"The US had an idea of action? First I've heard of it. The US could have done a lot more, yet managed to get in the way. link link |
| Smitty 25.02.2006 10:49 |
@ ThomasQuinn: "You're 100% an American. If you are told NOT to interfere, you do so, and thus act like you're the international police force..." -Only because apart from our allies, no one is willing to do the job? "...then, when you OUGHT to have interfered, you don't, and tell the rest of the world you're not our baby sitter." -Maybe under the Clinton administration but I hope everyone else is smart enough now "Bunch of fucking hypocrits. If it were up to me, every goddamn country in the world would enforce an economic boycot against the US until your Nazi-president is put up against the wall..." -Oh so he's a nazi now, a boycott of the US, nah, we have too many allies becuase we helped them when they needed us. "...your officers responsible for the atrocities in Iraq..." -Atrocities? "...Afghanistan..." -Okay, a couple people screwed up. and against illegal prisoners are prosecuted and preferably locked up for all of eternity and your soldiers are withdrawn -What good a complete withdrawal would do right now... "Then, the US ought to be forced to cut their army down to 10% of its current size. That way, world peace actually has a chance." I see where you're coming from, yet I still think you are a total fucking prick. Let's clump everything I just said into one large group, and we'll go into detail. The only reason we act like the "International Police Force" is because we really felt threatened by the goings on in Iraq and Afganistan either by their governments or by terrorist groups sending people over to kill thousonds of people. We feel we need to stop these groups before anything else happens. I also don't see one time during the Bush Administration where we didn't intervene when we needed to. That "boycott of the US" is really silly. How will that help and how will you do that great ruler of people's opinions? I also find it funny that you call Bush a nazi. I laughed when I read that part. What atrocities in Iraq by the way? Also, no one apart from maybe .00000000000001% like what those few soldiers did to the prisoners in Afganistan. Just to let you know. A complete withdrawal would put Iraq in a state of civil war and many people would be killed, good people too. When a relative of mine fought down in Iraq, so many of the people were greatful that he was there and keeping terrorists from cooming into Iraq from Syria, he recieved gifts, hugs, and the satisfaction of knowing because he was there, he saved these people's lives. Think about that for a second. By the way, we tried cutting our army down after a big war known as World War 2. That's how we lost at Vietnam. We need our military no matter what to protect ourselves from the many groups that threaten and/or attack us. If we just laid down and said "We will never fight again" how many people will die, hundreds? thousands? You think if we cut down our military and stop fighting, we'll be closer to world peace while I believe if we continue to fight and remove the threat of terrorism in the Middle East, the world WILL be that much closer to world peace. Apart from that, what other groups are that much if a threat? I also believe that you can not see past your own idealistic views and into the reality of the world today. So, lighten up a bit and start seeing things from our point of view. |
| deleted user 25.02.2006 11:06 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: @ The only reason we act like the "International Police Force" is because we really felt threatened by the goings on in Iraq and Afghanistan.......... Most Americans threatened by their own reflection.... |
| deleted user 25.02.2006 12:02 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: @ ThomasQuinn: "You're 100% an American. If you are told NOT to interfere, you do so, and thus act like you're the international police force..." -Only because apart from our allies, no one is willing to do the job? "...then, when you OUGHT to have interfered, you don't, and tell the rest of the world you're not our baby sitter." -Maybe under the Clinton administration but I hope everyone else is smart enough now "Bunch of fucking hypocrits. If it were up to me, every goddamn country in the world would enforce an economic boycot against the US until your Nazi-president is put up against the wall..." -Oh so he's a nazi now, a boycott of the US, nah, we have too many allies becuase we helped them when they needed us. "...your officers responsible for the atrocities in Iraq..." -Atrocities? "...Afghanistan..." -Okay, a couple people screwed up. and against illegal prisoners are prosecuted and preferably locked up for all of eternity and your soldiers are withdrawn -What good a complete withdrawal would do right now... "Then, the US ought to be forced to cut their army down to 10% of its current size. That way, world peace actually has a chance." I see where you're coming from, yet I still think you are a total fucking prick. Let's clump everything I just said into one large group, and we'll go into detail. The only reason we act like the "International Police Force" is because we really felt threatened by the goings on in Iraq and Afganistan either by their governments or by terrorist groups sending people over to kill thousonds of people. We feel we need to stop these groups before anything else happens. I also don't see one time during the Bush Administration where we didn't intervene when we needed to. That "boycott of the US" is really silly. How will that help and how will you do that great ruler of people's opinions? I also find it funny that you call Bush a nazi. I laughed when I read that part. What atrocities in Iraq by the way? Also, no one apart from maybe .00000000000001% like what those few soldiers did to the prisoners in Afganistan. Just to let you know. A complete withdrawal would put Iraq in a state of civil war and many people would be killed, good people too. When a relative of mine fought down in Iraq, so many of the people were greatful that he was there and keeping terrorists from cooming into Iraq from Syria, he recieved gifts, hugs, and the satisfaction of knowing because he was there, he saved these people's lives. Think about that for a second. By the way, we tried cutting our army down after a big war known as World War 2. That's how we lost at Vietnam. We need our military no matter what to protect ourselves from the many groups that threaten and/or attack us. If we just laid down and said "We will never fight again" how many people will die, hundreds? thousands? You think if we cut down our military and stop fighting, we'll be closer to world peace while I believe if we continue to fight and remove the threat of terrorism in the Middle East, the world WILL be that much closer to world peace. Apart from that, what other groups are that much if a threat? I also believe that you can not see past your own idealistic views and into the reality of the world today. So, lighten up a bit and start seeing things from our point of view.So many things are shit in this post. First, I'm an American. Don't add me when you say 'we' in you posts. That is a generalizing term. I'm not one of 'you' who think the way you do. Now. In detail: "The only reason we act like the "International Police Force" is because we really felt threatened by the goings on in Iraq and Afganistan either by their governments or by terrorist groups sending people over |
| Smitty 25.02.2006 12:05 |
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| Smitty 25.02.2006 12:07 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: Atrocities? How about you shooting people at weddings? How about you bombing residential areas? How about your soldiers beating up INNOCENT KIDS? How about your soldiers torturing prisoners? Is that enough for ya?There were only a small group of soldiers torturing prisoners. Apart from that, where is your proof? If you have a real problem with the Americans that support the war STAY IN THE NETHERLANDS. ...and at M@tt: Excuse me for the generalization. I don't agree with you but I respect your opinion. It's just the people who aren't American talking down everything about our war (I believe our can be used in this situation) that angers me. |
| deleted user 25.02.2006 12:43 |
agreed. I respect yours as well. |
| Music Man 25.02.2006 16:18 |
<font color=green> M@tt wrote:Tell me, why is it obvious that our votes are nothing but worthless pieces of paper?Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: You two are both from the USA and you are constantly whining about it. There is nothing wrong with questioning government but you do nothing about it. You sit there and sigh while you do nothing to help your country. Maybe if you had a legitamate arguement and you stayed the course you could change something. But guess what Bush is the president and unless you have a couple million dollars to send to the democrats, there is nothing you can do about it.There is nothing you can do about it period. No amount of money can change the way things get done. The people have no say in who gets elected. It's obvious. It's all in the government and who THEY want in. Voting counts only as numbers...it's all bullshit. As you saw when Bush got elected the first time. Voting makes people THINK they have a voice when they really have nothing but a worthless piece of paper. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 25.02.2006 23:02 |
ooh, its all a government conspiracy, I like where this is going. But tell me now, if the USA is that bad, why not leave? Or is it because you know damn well you wont find a better place to live? |
| Music Man 26.02.2006 02:22 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: ooh, its all a government conspiracy, I like where this is going. But tell me now, if the USA is that bad, why not leave? Or is it because you know damn well you wont find a better place to live?The point of our democracy and freedom of speech is not to create the best country in the world. The point is to create the best country our country could possibly be. If there is any room for potential improvement, it should be explored and assimilated into our country. |
| Smitty 26.02.2006 10:54 |
So now the US government is crazy? I could just as easily say you are crazy. If you have real problems with America, give us a call at 1-800-up-yours |
| Smitty 26.02.2006 11:34 |
Okay, I'm done. You can bitch and moan all you want. I think you are the crazy one. |
| Music Man 26.02.2006 12:01 |
I think you're both crazy. Does that make me doubly insane? |
| Mr.Jingles 26.02.2006 12:20 |
Music Man wrote: I think you're both crazy. Does that make me doubly insane?I second that. |
| Smitty 26.02.2006 14:39 |
I'm not crazy... <twitches> |
| Music Man 26.02.2006 15:32 |
Maybe we're all crazy, and all this argument is null since we're all wrong. |
| Smitty 26.02.2006 16:46 |
Good point. A TOAST: To all being wrong. |
| The Real Wizard 27.02.2006 00:17 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: What atrocities in Iraq by the way?Um... the fact that the US has killed over 100,000 civilians. The media reports only 30,000, but it's well-known that it's much higher. <font color=green> M@tt wrote: Bush and his admin have pulled the wool over 90% of America's eyes. There IS NO TERRORIST THREAT. He is running this countr on fear tactics. Nothing less.Amen. It's called the politics of fear. We'll tell you what to be afraid of, and then we'll protect you from it. But it really gets down to deep psychology. Do you honestly think most people want to accept even the possibility that their president is doing these kinds of things? |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.02.2006 13:13 |
no but really, Bush is a nice guy. Too bad he kept dropping bratwurst in the grill at the cookout... |
| Mr.Jingles 27.02.2006 13:27 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: no but really, Bush is a nice guy.Quite possibly The REAL assholes are those behind him: Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, Condolezza Rice, John Ashcroft and Paul Wolfowitz. Bush a complete idiot, but that's why he was picked to run for President. They knew that once the shit hits the fan, the one who would take most of the blame would be Bush. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.02.2006 13:29 |
all the Young Republicans got a letter of appreciation from him. Its framed on my wall. |
| Mr.Jingles 27.02.2006 13:42 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: all the Young Republicans got a letter of appreciation from him. Its framed on my wall.Everybody gets a freakin' letter of appreciation from a politician. They have a reputation to defend, and the best way to keep a good image among citizens is to reply to anyone who writes to them. A lot of reply letters are categorized depending on who sends them (senior citizens, kids, teenagers, etc.), and in most cases they're not even written by the politician himself, but by their personal assistants. All that a politician might do is sign the letter. Although, I'm sure that in most cases they will stamp the signature into the letter so the person who gets it will think that the politician actually took time to reply. I could send a letter to a politician addressed by a dog, sign it with his paw print, and still get an appreciation reply. |
| Sherwood Forest 27.02.2006 15:13 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:and the democrats arent???Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: all the Young Republicans got a letter of appreciation from him. Its framed on my wall.If I were you, I wouldn't be so proud about being a young republican. That's quite possibly the only thing that's worse than an old republican. You're being lied to, cheated, tricked...and yet you republicans keep saying it's the people who DON'T take that who are screwing the country. id like to hear your reasoning- im not either because i hate government and prefer to stay out of it. But im not ignorant and i do know a lot of about it. And i think if someone actually has a clear mind and thinks for themselves then they would realize both parties are lying dirt bags who are lookin for the $$$. |
| user name 27.02.2006 17:30 |
<font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote: you fuckin crazy bastards I'd like to put you in a normal Iraqi's shoes and see how fucking patriotic you feel then. It SICKENS me to read that people actually support this massacre of a war...a war which apparently begun because of weapons of mass destruction? BULLSHIT. It's your idiot of a 'president' and his dumfuck minions who are destroying lives - day in day out. And then when I hear about these disgusting so called 'soldiers'....tortuting civillians, beating up innocent children.. ..i cry... and here..on our very own queenzone we have supporters of this mass murder and his country? It's shocking And here we have teenagers as young as I who want to enrol for the army...who feel so loyal to their country..yet the wool has been pull oer their eyes (as one has already said in this thread)...they are fucking blind. I really have no more t add to this thread..from what I've read Caspar, Matt etc. are the only sane people in here... :(You seem to imply that by supporting the war, Americans are supporting the torturing of civilians and the beating up of innocent children. That's just as ignorant as saying that by supporting the Catholic Church that you support the molestation of children by priests. To be quite honest, I see where you are coming from. But what I see even more is the fact that the wool has been pulled over the eyes of both sides. |
| Sherwood Forest 27.02.2006 18:23 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:aww well maybe the democrats dont do that because they dont want to completely destroy and divide the country.JamieSureWould<br><font size=1>QOQOW wrote:And when did I say the democrats are so great? Precisely, I didn't. They should show they have some guts and do something about Bush's lies, attacking him in the senate and in the house. But they don't, so the people must do that for themselves. How? First of all by voicing the knowledge that Bush is cheating the country, and by not falling for the lies the government spoon-feeds you.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:and the democrats arent??? id like to hear your reasoning- im not either because i hate government and prefer to stay out of it. But im not ignorant and i do know a lot of about it. And i think if someone actually has a clear mind and thinks for themselves then they would realize both parties are lying dirt bags who are lookin for the $$$.Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: all the Young Republicans got a letter of appreciation from him. Its framed on my wall.If I were you, I wouldn't be so proud about being a young republican. That's quite possibly the only thing that's worse than an old republican. You're being lied to, cheated, tricked...and yet you republicans keep saying it's the people who DON'T take that who are screwing the country. "A house divided can not stand" |
| Mr.Jingles 27.02.2006 18:37 |
Both extreme sides of the political spectrum make me sick to the stomach. Believe it or not there are still (though, very few) Republicans and Democrats with slightly centered ideologies who don't take things too far, and are able to have a discussions of all kinds of political affairs without pulling things to their sides. Sadly, there's just a very few of them. |
| Sherwood Forest 27.02.2006 19:08 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: Both extreme sides of the political spectrum make me sick to the stomach. Believe it or not there are still (though, very few) Republicans and Democrats with slightly centered ideologies who don't take things too far, and are able to have a discussions of all kinds of political affairs without pulling things to their sides. Sadly, there's just a very few of them.EXACTLY thats what i stear SO clear of. Thats always exactly what my dad tells me |
| Sherwood Forest 27.02.2006 19:19 |
yea i know that. I Never said that my president wasnt doing anything to make it worse but the fact is there always is and will be extreme people on each side but its worse than ever. So i would like to know what do you propose we do to solve this problem? |
| Sherwood Forest 27.02.2006 19:32 |
hmm alright, i dont agree with some of it but i see what your saying |
| Mr.Jingles 27.02.2006 19:59 |
Republicans are more likely to take things to the extremes. In this case, to the extreme side of the conservative/right. However, Democrats don't come up with any ideas of how to make things better. Democrats are divided among themselves because while being the most moderate of both parties, they can't even agree among themselves whether to lean more to towards the right or towards the left. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 27.02.2006 20:12 |
QZ needs a constitiution. |
| user name 27.02.2006 20:40 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: QZ needs a constitiution.No, I like the anarchic feeling. Bad for government (or lack thereof), good for Queenzone. |
| Smitty 28.02.2006 08:13 |
Sorry to steer away from where the topic is going, but one thing I hate is how the US soldiers are getting so much crap from some of you people. FYI, our Army (Navy Seals, Marines, etc.) are not doing anything that some of you are saying they are doing. There was ONE report of prisoner abuse in Afganistan. That has already been resolved. But, where do you hear that our soldiers are beating up children, bombing weddings, etc. : THE MEDIA. From what it soulds like, everything you are hearing has been skewed by the media. I KNOW people who were and still are over there. I can honestly say our soldiers aren't doing any of the things you say they are doing. If our soldiers were found out to be doing any of those things, they'd be arrested, and brought to trial. The only people who are doing these things: bombing weddings, beating up kids, are the terrorists we are protecting these people from. Now, come on! Get your information straightened out! Oh, and ThomasQuinn, you need help. SERIOUS help... |
| Mr.Jingles 28.02.2006 10:50 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: Sorry to steer away from where the topic is going, but one thing I hate is how the US soldiers are getting so much crap from some of you people. FYI, our Army (Navy Seals, Marines, etc.) are not doing anything that some of you are saying they are doing. There was ONE report of prisoner abuse in Afganistan. That has already been resolved. But, where do you hear that our soldiers are beating up children, bombing weddings, etc. : THE MEDIA.The media? The media doesn't know half the shit that possibly goes on in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo. God knows how many violations of human rights have happened that haven't been documented on Kodak moments (like Abu Ghraib). Yes, perhaps many of our soldiers follow all the codes of treatment of human beings according to the Geneva Convention. Yet, there's also a very strong possibility that many of them don't give a shit about it, and take justice into their very own hands. Of course, there will always be a superior willing to cover-up any sort of abuse and make sure it goes unreported. Just look at that asshole Rumsfeld himself trying to make sure that those Abu Ghraib pictures wouldn't get leaked into the media. Personally I'm sick and tired of the whole "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS" shit. I'm fed up with the whole "THEY'RE FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM" crap. How is our freedom threatened anyways?? Why do we have to send our soldiers to start a war in a nation that turns out to be was never a threat in the first place? It just sickens me. You wanna know something? I support the troops. I want them to be where they belong... HOME. How come we didn't send troops to New Orleans to help restore the order, help rescue victims, and re-build the city after hurricaine Katrina? They sent a limited number of members of the National Guard who arrived to the zone of disaster 5 days late. Of course to our fuckin' retarded president an entire city destructed is not a major issue. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 28.02.2006 11:27 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: You wanna know something? I support the troops. I want them to be where they belong... HOME. How come we didn't send troops to New Orleans to help restore the order, help rescue victims, and re-build the city after hurricaine Katrina? They sent a limited number of members of the National Guard who arrived to the zone of disaster 5 days late. Of course to our fuckin' retarded president an entire city destructed is not a major issue.Perfect. <applauds> |
| Smitty 28.02.2006 13:28 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:possibly, possibility...§mï++ÿ™ wrote: Sorry to steer away from where the topic is going, but one thing I hate is how the US soldiers are getting so much crap from some of you people. FYI, our Army (Navy Seals, Marines, etc.) are not doing anything that some of you are saying they are doing. There was ONE report of prisoner abuse in Afganistan. That has already been resolved. But, where do you hear that our soldiers are beating up children, bombing weddings, etc. : THE MEDIA.The media? The media doesn't know half the shit that POSSIBLY goes on in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo. God knows how many violations of human rights have happened that haven't been documented on Kodak moments (like Abu Ghraib). Yes, perhaps many of our soldiers follow all the codes of treatment of human beings according to the Geneva Convention. Yet, there's also a VERY STRONG POSSIBILITY that many of them don't give a shit about it, and take justice into their very own hands... Do you really know if you're right? Name ONE other time apart from the happenings at Abu Ghraib where the people of the middle east were treated with extreme inhumanity with unarguable proof, and I'll leave Queenzone. That goes for you too ThomasQuinn. |
| Smitty 28.02.2006 13:33 |
-double post- |
| Mr.Jingles 28.02.2006 13:35 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote:Here...Mr.Jingles wrote:possibly, possibility... Do you really know if you're right? Name ONE other time apart from the happenings at Abu Ghraib where the people of the middle east were treated with extreme inhumanity with unarguable proof, and I'll leave Queenzone. That goes for you too ThomasQuinn.<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: Sorry to steer away from where the topic is going, but one thing I hate is how the US soldiers are getting so much crap from some of you people. FYI, our Army (Navy Seals, Marines, etc.) are not doing anything that some of you are saying they are doing. There was ONE report of prisoner abuse in Afganistan. That has already been resolved. But, where do you hear that our soldiers are beating up children, bombing weddings, etc. : THE MEDIA.The media? The media doesn't know half the shit that POSSIBLY goes on in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantanamo. God knows how many violations of human rights have happened that haven't been documented on Kodak moments (like Abu Ghraib). Yes, perhaps many of our soldiers follow all the codes of treatment of human beings according to the Geneva Convention. Yet, there's also a VERY STRONG POSSIBILITY that many of them don't give a shit about it, and take justice into their very own hands... link These guys are non-partisan and don't make accusations based on fitting a political agenda from either left or right. |
| Smitty 28.02.2006 13:42 |
By our soldiers? Where? I don't see anything. -edit- Well, I guess I'll stay. |
| user name 28.02.2006 17:46 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote: 9/1/04 A 55-year-old Iraqi man had been removed from his house in August after a search by American soldiers found no weapons there. His family had been desperately searching for him for months, and they finally found him, brain dead in a Tikrit hospital. After performing diagnostic tests, doctors told his family he had suffered massive head trauma, electrocution, and other beatings on his arms. The family was told he would be in a coma for the rest of his life from the obvious trauma suffered from torture. It turns out that American soldiers had dropped him off at the hospital, saying he had had a heart attack. In a similar story, the Arab newspaper Al-Bawaba reported the presidential secretary of former leader Saddam Hussein died two days ago while in U.S. custody. He had been taken into custody in June. Reports in the Arabic press noted he was tortured by U.S. investigators to pressure him to provide information on weapons development programs. An Iraqi mother has written to President Bush and other top politicos around the world to ask them to explain why her son was deliberately murdered by U.S. troops. In her heart-wrenching letter, she explained that her 19-year-old son, who was soon to be married, was returning home with friends when their truck broke down. After being confronted by an American patrol, they were searched and handcuffed, and led three kilometers to a nearby dam, then ordered to jump into the raging waters. One of the three boys survived to tell the tale, but her son, who could not swim, was never found, only his jacket. Then as a final signature, U.S. soldiers flattened the boys' vehicle by running over it with heavy equipment. The distraught mother, wrote: "To document the incident, my son's name is Zaydun Ma'mun Fadhil Hassun Al-Samarrai, born in the 1st of June 1984...Yes, they killed him and they broke my heart, try to imagine that dear sirs and ask your wives how hard it is for a mother to see her fruit ripen only to be thrown by sinful hands and to be swept away without any mercy or humanity. Those soldiers have turned everything America has ever stood for into one big lie. I was a victim, and there are and will be many more." (You need to read this whole story, and see the boy's photo, if you want to really cry (link SOURCE: link Sufficient proof for you, Mr. Nationalist scum?See, Quinn boy? You had a really good post going for you, but you just had to throw in that personal attack, didn't ya? Oy vey... |
| That guy who digs energy domes 28.02.2006 21:10 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Whats wrong with YR? You do that until youre 18 and then you go to GOPQueen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: all the Young Republicans got a letter of appreciation from him. Its framed on my wall.If I were you, I wouldn't be so proud about being a young republican. That's quite possibly the only thing that's worse than an old republican. You're being lied to, cheated, tricked...and yet you republicans keep saying it's the people who DON'T take that who are screwing the country. |
| Mr.Jingles 28.02.2006 23:32 |
I'd rather join the girl scouts. |
| Smitty 01.03.2006 06:20 |
I'm staying just because of ThomasQuinn's personal attack by the way. Oh, and those stories are total crap. You could obviously see that the writer was biased and the stories were unbelieveable. That's not proof ThomasQuinn. Okay let's just all get along. Everything is sooooo much nicer that way... :-D |
| Mr.Jingles 01.03.2006 10:42 |
If you believe that Abu Ghraib was the only case of human rights abuse in Iraq, then you probably also believe that Rick Salomon is the only guy who has fucked Paris Hilton. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 01.03.2006 12:32 |
Me encantan los Estados Unidos |
| Mr.Jingles 01.03.2006 13:10 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: Me encantan los Estados UnidosA mi tambien Lo que odio son los politicos hijos de su gran puta madre. Que de por si son iguales que los de cualquier otro pais, la diferencia es que estos tienen demasiado poder. |
| Smitty 01.03.2006 15:49 |
That is funny Linda. Alright, I guess it's time to let all of this go Mr. ThomasQuinn. I have. I'm on to better things, such as learning, studying, running. I suggest you do the same. |
| Mr.Jingles 01.03.2006 17:46 |
<font color=gold>§mï<font color=1>++ÿ™ wrote: That is funny Linda. Alright, I guess it's time to let all of this go Mr. ThomasQuinn. I have. I'm on to better things, such as learning, studying, running. I suggest you do the same.Good for you. Want a cookie? |
| Smitty 02.03.2006 07:04 |
...and you can't keep your mouth shut. |
| Maz 02.03.2006 10:39 |
Oh, the irony of Caspar lecturing someone else on the value of accurate evidence. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 02.03.2006 11:34 |
hmm, well I do live 2 miles away from the largest American flag in the world....maybe thats it.... |
| user name 02.03.2006 16:30 |
<font color=FF0099>Linda Of The Valley wrote:...they sell lighters in New York, I'm pretty sure. You might have to get a license, though.Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: hmm, well I do live 2 miles away from the largest American flag in the world....maybe thats it....do they allow lighters on planes, do you know? :P cos I'm goin to New York in the summer...hmmm.. |
| user name 02.03.2006 20:17 |
Oh, and I just received word - you CAN, in fact, bring money on the airplane that you can use to purchase a lighter once in New York. In fact, lighters may be purchased from virtually anywhere in the United States. |
| Forever88 02.03.2006 20:30 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote:i hate america. i plan to leave.Mr.Jingles wrote:You say that the USA is so terrible and corrupt, why not leave?Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: umm, not really, the Hutus and the Tutsis are the Shiites and Sunni of Rwanda.NO SHIITE!! |
| greaserkat 02.03.2006 23:07 |
You know what we need? We need a HISPANIC president. hispanics dont take shit from no one and they know what is good for the majority of the people here because the majority is not wealthy and us hispanics come from that kind of living. I wouldnt want a black president because you know how they are, maybe we'll get a president like the mayor of New York who was caught by the FBI smoking crack and he was so-called "framed" Now Im going to sit back and read all the minority attacks from most of you people. |
| user name 02.03.2006 23:27 |
If we got a Jewish president, we could get out of this little deficit. |
| Mr.Jingles 03.03.2006 00:06 |
I was going to say that we need a female president... Then I realized that I don't want a president shooting nukes to a foreign country just because IT'S THAT TIME OF THE MONTH. |
| greaserkat 03.03.2006 00:14 |
Mr.Jingles wrote: I was going to say that we need a female president... Then I realized that I don't want a president shooting nukes to a foreign country just because IT'S THAT TIME OF THE MONTH.haha I know what you mean. I have to go thorugh with it with my gf, but imagine having to deal with a mowan when shes on that time of the month and is the most powerful person the the world?? Damn!! But yeah, I think we need a hispanic president. ARRIBA CABRONES!!! |
| The Real Wizard 03.03.2006 01:50 |
Musicman wrote: If we got a Jewish president, we could get out of this little deficit.Sorry, couldn't help but laugh at that one! Interesting and practical thought. |
| Mr.Jingles 03.03.2006 10:33 |
Speaking of a hispanic president I remember once reading that Jennifer Lopez said that if she was President she'd give the White House a makeover. J-Lo in the White House would definitely be the next Imelda Marcos. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 03.03.2006 12:57 |
we have a hispanic mayor |
| greaserkat 03.03.2006 13:25 |
We hispanics are growing in power. Here in Los Angeles we already have a Mexican-American mayor. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 03.03.2006 13:27 |
tee hee, now everyone has a "Dont blame me, I voted for Schramm" sign |
| Mr.Jingles 03.03.2006 13:32 |
greaserkat wrote: We hispanics are growing in power. Here in Los Angeles we already have a Mexican-American mayor.Shit! We are already outnumbering blacks in America. Someone seriously needs to give away rubbers to hispanic teens. |
| greaserkat 03.03.2006 13:36 |
i know what you mean, but thats not the only reason why were growing so fast, more hispanices are coming form latin america aswell, and just as a side not, i dont think the US should put a wall along the mexico us border |
| user name 03.03.2006 14:56 |
Was someone in potential political power considering the construction of a wall along the US-Mexico border? |
| greaserkat 03.03.2006 15:09 |
I think it was Bush wasnt it? |
| user name 03.03.2006 16:20 |
Then Bush is retarded because there's no way anything like that is happening. |
| greaserkat 03.03.2006 19:12 |
thats for sure. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 04.03.2006 01:19 |
I have nothing against people immigrating here but I hate how we need to deport people every week. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 04.03.2006 16:44 |
yes we do Thomas otherwise we get overpopulated with people who arent westernized. |
| Sherwood Forest 04.03.2006 17:18 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:ahahaha shows how much you knowwQueen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: I have nothing against people immigrating here but I hate how we need to deport people every week.You don't 'need to', you just do so. So does our dearest Dutch xenophobe (racist) minister in charge of refugee-matters. She now wants to send refugees from Iran who are homosexual back there, regardless of the fact that they get put to death there. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 04.03.2006 17:56 |
Jamie should run for president |
| That guy who digs energy domes 04.03.2006 18:16 |
Thomas Quinn- Would you call him Dubba-U or Dubya? |
| Mr.Jingles 05.03.2006 10:50 |
Dumbya |
| Mr.Jingles 05.03.2006 11:06 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: I have nothing against people immigrating here but I hate how we need to deport people every week.I came here legally, but I also feel bad for those who haven't and are just looking for a better chance to succeed and live a decent life. Sadly immigrating illegally has its consecuences. While most illegal immigrants might just be looking for better paid jobs, there's also the possibility that some of them will live in poverty, which will eventually result in a rise in the crime rate. I'm all up for giving illegal immigrants who have proof that they've been working honestly and follow the law, a chance to become legal residents of this country. However, I have zero tolerance for people who have been dishonest and turned to crime as a way of life. |
| greaserkat 05.03.2006 15:00 |
Mr. Jingles you should run for president |
| That guy who digs energy domes 05.03.2006 15:41 |
Im eating popcorn |
| Sherwood Forest 05.03.2006 16:12 |
*was- yo ben thats off topicc |
| That guy who digs energy domes 05.03.2006 17:08 |
Jamie Sherwood '08 |
| That guy who digs energy domes 06.03.2006 13:17 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:Where did you hear that comeback?JamieSureWould<br><font size=1>QOQOW wrote:I FORGOT more during the last WEEK than you will EVER KNOW in your entire LIFE.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:ahahaha shows how much you knowwQueen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: I have nothing against people immigrating here but I hate how we need to deport people every week.You don't 'need to', you just do so. So does our dearest Dutch xenophobe (racist) minister in charge of refugee-matters. She now wants to send refugees from Iran who are homosexual back there, regardless of the fact that they get put to death there. |
| The Fairy King 06.03.2006 13:22 |
Dude, relax! :D QOW is a spoiled little wrestling homo and Jamie is just Jamie. xD |
| That guy who digs energy domes 06.03.2006 13:24 |
Please, its not that I hate you personally, its just that I hate degenerates and terrorists as a whole |
| The Fairy King 06.03.2006 13:27 |
Said the person who likes to touch beefcakes for sport. |
| Sherwood Forest 06.03.2006 15:09 |
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| Sherwood Forest 06.03.2006 15:10 |
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| user name 06.03.2006 16:16 |
This is becoming one of the most retarded pseudo-argumentative threads I have ever seen. I feel sorry for Mr. Jingles for having his intelligent post heaped up amongst the rest of yours. |
| user name 06.03.2006 16:16 |
Not to mention that the posts are all fucked up again. |
| Smitty 06.03.2006 21:10 |
Okay, let's just make this all go away. Then everyone will be happy. link |
| Sherwood Forest 06.03.2006 21:48 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:AAhaha once again, that shows how much you knowJamieSureWould<br><font size=1>QOQOW wrote:I FORGOT more during the last WEEK than you will EVER KNOW in your entire LIFE.<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:ahahaha shows how much you knowwQueen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: I have nothing against people immigrating here but I hate how we need to deport people every week.You don't 'need to', you just do so. So does our dearest Dutch xenophobe (racist) minister in charge of refugee-matters. She now wants to send refugees from Iran who are homosexual back there, regardless of the fact that they get put to death there. |
| Mr.Jingles 06.03.2006 21:51 |
greaserkat wrote: Mr. Jingles you should run for presidentThanks! I'd make a great politician because I talk shit all the time. |
| greaserkat 06.03.2006 22:23 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Atleast your shit is the truth, not like most people in this countrygreaserkat wrote: Mr. Jingles you should run for presidentThanks! I'd make a great politician because I talk shit all the time. |
| Mr.Jingles 06.03.2006 22:33 |
+ when I talk shit, no one dies. |
| That guy who digs energy domes 06.03.2006 22:48 |
What would your party be? |
| Mr.Jingles 07.03.2006 13:30 |
Queen Of Wrestling<h6>Jamie's Bitch</h6> wrote: What would your party be?You gotta fight for your right to Party |