QueenZone discussion #671782

jcrawford79 wrote: None called Somewhere in the Middle. I'm not sure if you are referencing the song or the album but if you're talking about the album, the song is called Bijou. If you're talking about the song, the flamenco part was played the guy from Yes (Steve Howe, I think is his name) and the rest was played by Brian.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

jcrawford79 wrote: None called Somewhere in the Middle. I'm not sure if you are referencing the song or the album but if you're talking about the album, the song is called Bijou. If you're talking about the song, the flamenco part was played the guy from Yes (Steve Howe, I think is his name) and the rest was played by Brian.

"I think is his name" ... ? How about, the brilliant guitarist from Yes and Asia who, from a technical perspective, is a much better guitarist than Brian May ? Tastes are tastes, but Howe is by far a better guitarist. But May is still my favourite.

jcrawford79 wrote: I'm not really sure how to reply to this. I must've been misleading in my post. I know absolutely nothing about Steve Howe so I certainly didn't mean to imply that he's a lesser guitarist. I was only attempting to answer a question. Sorry for the apparently misleading statement.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: lol @ Lester!! Jcrawford: I swear, we didn't correspond before posting!! Lester, I remember your email, and I promise, I will get to it!!

Lester Burnham wrote: Yes (hurr), I'm a huge fan of 'Release Release', though I think my favorite off that album is 'Future Times / Rejoice'. In fact, the only two songs I can't stand are 'Madrigal' and 'Circus Of Heaven'. There's nothing like the bass work in 'Arriving UFO', though - Chris Squire is simply amazing.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

jcrawford79 wrote: I'm not really sure how to reply to this. I must've been misleading in my post. I know absolutely nothing about Steve Howe so I certainly didn't mean to imply that he's a lesser guitarist. I was only attempting to answer a question. Sorry for the apparently misleading statement.

No worries, my friend. :) But if you're interested in rock music fused with classical, you like vocal harmonies, and you appreciate top quality musicianship, then Yes may certainly be a band you would enjoy. In many ways, they influenced the early Queen sound. Particularly, the song "I've Seen All Good People" is clearly what inspired Doing All Right, both in terms of chords and structure (slow and fast parts).

Lester Burnham wrote: I don't want to derail this thread, but considering it is Queen related, then I'm not too concerned. Check out Fragile, Close To The Edge, Relayer, Going For The One, and even Tormato and Drama by Yes - all spectacular albums before they became "pop" with 90125 (or 90215, I can't remember). Surprisingly, it was Tormato that got me into Yes, although it could be considered their Jazz - not really a good place to start, but hey, whatever works. edit: damn you, Bob! Great minds think alike, I guess.

groover wrote: Are you sure about that? Ive Seen All Good People was released commercially in 1971. Wasnt Doin' All Right written b4 then. I'm a huge fan of both. However, I have never thought the two bands were remotely similar.

groover wrote: I always considered Drama to be Yes' "Hot Space"

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

jcrawford79 wrote: None called Somewhere in the Middle. I'm not sure if you are referencing the song or the album but if you're talking about the album, the song is called Bijou. If you're talking about the song, the flamenco part was played the guy from Yes (Steve Howe, I think is his name) and the rest was played by Brian.

"I think is his name" ... ? How about, the brilliant guitarist from Yes and Asia who, from a technical perspective, is a much better guitarist than Brian May ? Tastes are tastes, but Howe is by far a better guitarist. But May is still my favourite.

Lord Blackadder wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Tastes are tastes, but Howe is by far a better guitarist. But May is still my favourite.

Maybe. But Brian is a far, far superior songwriter.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

Lord Blackadder wrote:

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Tastes are tastes, but Howe is by far a better guitarist. But May is still my favourite.

Maybe. But Brian is a far, far superior songwriter.

It's really hard to compare the two, because they write completely different kinds of music! Brian is a pop-oriented player, and Howe plays progressive rock often fused with classical. Could you see Brian writing the guitar bits in Yours Is No Disgrace and Close To The Edge? Likewise, could you see Steve Howe constructing the solo in Killer Queen? As for songwriting as a whole, Yes wrote much more as a closely-knit band unit than Queen did. Steve Howe worked with his bandmates to create the music together, and Queen's material was usually dominated by the one member who wrote the song. In that respect, and so many others, Yes and Queen were two completely different bands, and you just can't compare the two.

MaTiaSMaY wrote: Steve Howe's a great guitarist, he plays better than Brian but I don't think he's actually a better guitarist than May. Brian is far more creative and original.

And Yes is one of the best bands ever, however, Jon Anderson is an AWFUL singer.

MaTiaSMaY wrote: I really doubt Brian could play The Clap, and that's what I said... Steve plays better than Brian, BUT Brian's far more creative and original in his stuff.

Jon Anderson doesn't have a huge range, he just has a high voice... it's not a great range because his voice's already high. He is an awful singer. First of all, he sings SOOOOOO out of tune that makes me crazy... he lacks grace and his vocal technique is not that good...

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:

MaTiaSMaY wrote: I really doubt Brian could play The Clap, and that's what I said... Steve plays better than Brian, BUT Brian's far more creative and original in his stuff.

Clap is not creative? Steve Howe brought an entire genre of acoustic music to the mainstream. In 1970, hardly anybody in the mainstream played the acoustic guitar well, never mind like Steve Howe.

Jon Anderson doesn't have a huge range, he just has a high voice... it's not a great range because his voice's already high. He is an awful singer. First of all, he sings SOOOOOO out of tune that makes me crazy... he lacks grace and his vocal technique is not that good...

You must not have a clue about singing, honestly. I have heard dozens of Yes albums and concerts, and never once has Jon Anderson went out of tune. And he does have a huge vocal range - bigger than Freddie Mercury's. Every night he hits and sustains notes so cleanly and effortlessly (Going For The One) that Mercury could barely hit on his best day. Jon's lower range is as low as Freddie's as well (The Ancient). On the average Queen tour, Freddie's vocal range would be an octave and a half. Anderson destroys Mercury in that department. Whether or not you like his voice is up to your personal taste, but his singing abilities are nothing short of outstanding.

MaTiaSMaY wrote: And vocal range is not something important in singing, the important is to sing well, no matter your range... I don't know who taught you about singing but he's got no idea about it.

Maybe you should say that anybody who plays fast is better than somebody that's not fast.

MaTiaSMaY wrote: But what you tried to say was that Anderson was a better singer than Mercury.

MaTiaSMaY wrote: And you show pitiful musical knowledgements, dear A vocal range is not "better" than another range. Jon Anderson's range is HIGH, his voice is just high and his mids and bass are very bad. You should read a little about singing because you are showing that you don't know nothing at all about it. Cheers

MaTiaSMaY wrote: And you show pitiful musical knowledgements, dear A vocal range is not "better" than another range.

My dad the singing teacher and I've been listening to The Ancient and Going For The One as you said they were the prove that Jon Anderson has a bigger range than Freddie.

In The Ancient (16 minutes of its 18 are SHIT) Jon Anderson barely hits a B 1, actually he doesn't hits that note... he's "blowing" the note, because he doesn't really hits that low... I guess a Db 2 may be his lower note. Meanwhile Freddie Mercury hits a F 1, 6 semitones lower than Anderson.

Alright, in Going For The One, Anderson hits a E4, with a little bit of Falsetto on it... Freddie also hits an E4 in The Show Must Go On.

Anderson's vocal range and Freddie's vocal range are completely different because their voices are as oppossite as possible. So it's not about "ANDERSON HAS A BETTER RANGE THAN FREDDIE" because we're not talking about ranges from a "common" vocal range in every man, we're talking about different ranges of different voices. So that's the main reason why Jon hasn't got a "better" range than Freddie. And Freddie has a bigger range than Jon. ;-) So better luck next time.

Mr. Barcelona wrote: If you agree freddie has the overall better voice than what is the base of your argument?...

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Just because Freddie's voice is the overall better one doesn't make Jon's voice substandard in every way. I maintain that Jon's higher range is much better than Freddie's, because he could hit notes on consistent basis that Freddie could rarely hit.

Libor2 wrote: I always considered Freddie live singing much weaker than studio one.

Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: Generally, yes... but there were some incredible concerts from him: May 1977 December 1979 July 1980 Europe 1982 And a few single shows: Copenhagen 4-13-78, Sao Paulo 3-20-81, Brussels 8-24-84, Tokyo 5-9-85, Stockholm 6-7-86, Leiden 6-11-86, and surely others.