| bryans permed poodle 15069 25.09.2005 16:11 |
link If the Champions had returned shouldn't it be at No 1 ? Even Daniel O'Donnell (Blue Rinse Brigade Favourite) and Barbara Streisand ( her with the massive nose to rival Barry Manilow (are they related ?) managed 10th and 3rd respectively. This is EVEN after English Yob ordered 500 copies of ROTC to inflate the figures. For those who bought it at full price will be regretting it as you will be able to buy it next month in a Bargain Bin at your nearest HMV. |
| Daburcor? 25.09.2005 16:31 |
I don't know quite how you see a #12 chart position as 'limping' for a release such as this. My opinion is that you secretly like this whole QPR thing, And that you're just too afraid to admit that you just MAY have been wrong after all this time. |
| bryans permed poodle 15069 25.09.2005 17:25 |
Dan Corson wrote: I don't know quite how you see a #12 chart position as 'limping' for a release such as this. My opinion is that you secretly like this whole QPR thing, And that you're just too afraid to admit that you just MAY have been wrong after all this time.I'm afraid your wrong. Paul Rodgers cannot sing to save his life nor can Roger or Brian for that matter and to call the CD ROTC is as obsurd as Brian and Roger calling themselves Queen + FREDDIE WOULD NOT BE HAPPY |
| Adam Baboolal 25.09.2005 17:32 |
Limps in at 12!! LOL You're funny BPP. The reason people like Daniel O'Donnel gets more is because, guess what, he has a lot of wives/elderly women fans. Queen related stuff is always going to be a mixed bag. You can't expect the same numbers. Peace, Adam. |
| Sharon G. 25.09.2005 17:56 |
As Freddie was the 'King of Queen" and the true Champion, this CD should be called "return of the Chumps." |
| bryans permed poodle 15069 25.09.2005 18:14 |
Sharon G. wrote: As Freddie was the 'King of Queen" and the true Champion, this CD should be called "return of the Chumps."LOL Sharon Or "Return Of The Has-Beens minus their Champion Original Singer" |
| Sharon G. 25.09.2005 18:19 |
If you want to see and hear Queen, buy the Live at Wembley Cd or DVD. It is excellent. |
| Suigi 25.09.2005 18:28 |
Hmmm... This is sort of the same situation as the Who. They are the original members, but it comes out more like a tribute band than anything else. And given the number of BPPs out there in Queen fandom, I guess not many people wanted to get a Queen tribute band's album. |
| Queen& 25.09.2005 19:08 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: link If the Champions had returned shouldn't it be at No 1 ? Even Daniel O'Donnell (Blue Rinse Brigade Favourite) and Barbara Streisand ( her with the massive nose to rival Barry Manilow (are they related ?) managed 10th and 3rd respectively. This is EVEN after English Yob ordered 500 copies of ROTC to inflate the figures. For those who bought it at full price will be regretting it as you will be able to buy it next month in a Bargain Bin at your nearest HMV.Higher than status quo and theve had more hit singles than queen an its a studio album |
| rockit22 25.09.2005 19:42 |
Yes this is awesome! Status Quo had their CD released at the same day as Queen's ROTC, 19.09.05, and they are only at #18, while Queen+ is at #12 :) Concidering ROTC is a live album, this is really champion sales for Queen+. You also have to keep in mind that people know a DVD is going to be released next month, and therefore they perhaps won't buy the CD yet. A third thing, is that the official downloads from the tour on queenonline has been available a long time for those who were curious about it. This might also influence on the sales of the CD. Finally there has not been a lot of promotion of the new album either. So when you concider all this poodle, Queen+ is the champions, you like it or not!:) haha. I got a feeling that the DVD will go straight to the top of the charts ! |
| Richard Orchard 25.09.2005 21:15 |
Remember when Queen albums used to enter the chart at number 1... |
| stateside fan 25.09.2005 21:54 |
Yep Rich I sure do.Seemed to have something to do with a chap named Fred i think.Any news on ROTC charting well in germany??I think Jim Beach could shit in a pie dish ,call it Queen+shit in a pie dish and it would be #1 in Germany. |
| Fedepetti 25.09.2005 22:51 |
Sad, it started at #9 on Monday midweeks and was #10 on Friday sales. The saturday sales were strong because Daniel O'Donnell was #12 on Friday sales and jumped two spots. |
| Freddie's #1 Fan Forever 25.09.2005 23:35 |
Considering the poor reviews it received, I am actually that it did not totally tank! It probably will fall off the charts completely by the second week. Anyway, I think that the critics have made some really good points about why the album sucks without Freddie. tiffany |
| All I Hear Is Radio Gaga 25.09.2005 23:55 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: link If the Champions had returned shouldn't it be at No 1 ? Even Daniel O'Donnell (Blue Rinse Brigade Favourite) and Barbara Streisand ( her with the massive nose to rival Barry Manilow (are they related ?) managed 10th and 3rd respectively. This is EVEN after English Yob ordered 500 copies of ROTC to inflate the figures. For those who bought it at full price will be regretting it as you will be able to buy it next month in a Bargain Bin at your nearest HMV.Poodle did you ride the short bus? |
| pcgenius9 26.09.2005 03:48 |
Poodle didn't buy it.... Actually though, I managed to go to my local Woolworths and (long story) got it for £1.97 |
| Daburcor? 26.09.2005 04:23 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote:Oh my! You sure put me in MY place!Dan Corson wrote: I don't know quite how you see a #12 chart position as 'limping' for a release such as this. My opinion is that you secretly like this whole QPR thing, And that you're just too afraid to admit that you just MAY have been wrong after all this time.I'm afraid your wrong. Paul Rodgers cannot sing to save his life nor can Roger or Brian for that matter and to call the CD ROTC is as obsurd as Brian and Roger calling themselves Queen + FREDDIE WOULD NOT BE HAPPY Even I have said before that I think there are people better suited to singing the Queen catalog than Paul, But to say that he CAN'T sing or that this CD is bad is the REAL ABSURDity. |
| Fenderek 26.09.2005 04:27 |
Dan- what do you expect from BPP? Any logic? Any intelligence? Wrong address, man... :) |
| Daburcor? 26.09.2005 04:32 |
Sometimes I forget who I'm talking to... ;) |
| ok.computer 26.09.2005 05:37 |
Limps???? No. 12??????? What age is BPP??? I remember when live albums were lucky to break top twenty! I've said this before and I'll say it again. This is a perfectly adequate souvenir of one of the summer's best shows. For this "hybrid" to break in at number 12, from half a band that hasn't done any original material for over ten years is astounding. From what little I've seen of his posts, this "Bryan's Permed Poodle" is very fond of starting a scurrilous post, then darting off, never to reply or substaniate his arguments. I'm quite annoyed at myself for even reading it, never mind replying. |
| 3137prof 26.09.2005 05:39 |
I wouldn't call #12 a very good chart position. One thing to consider about that now aswell is that the number of sales will be down by a hell of a lot from what you used to need to get in the top ten as well. Also, could it be that as it's a double album compared to the other albums being single albums that it cost more than those so people aren't buying it yet? I would be worried though if they bought Daniel O'Donnell instead, because of this. Maybes the crap cover put people off buying it? But then that's a whole different arguement to start again isn't it. |
| Mr_Bad_Guy_91 26.09.2005 06:03 |
Funny enough I thought Poodle doesnt like ROTC but he/she seem to be going on about it and keeping a eye on where they are in chart so if you dont like it then why dont you forget about ROTC and stick to your greatest hit 1 but no you are still ranting about it LOL I bet ya he/she or to those who dont like ROTC have bought the cd without telling ya hahahaha and by the way isnt that GREAT they are in the chart better than nothing :) |
| August R. 26.09.2005 06:19 |
Just wanted to remind you that NONE of Queen's live albums have ever reached #1 in UK. Not even in their heydays when that guy with the moustache was still around. Highest chart positions of Queen's live albums: Live Killers #3 Live Magic #3 Live At Wembley #2 On Fire #6 |
| deleted user 26.09.2005 06:32 |
freddie got only 12th with one of his solo albums before he died.... do you mean that's bad...? |
| deleted user 26.09.2005 06:58 |
AND IT ENTERS THE CHART AT 12 SO WE'LL SEE WHAT IT GOING TO BE WITHIN A FEW WEEKS |
| Mr_Bad_Guy_91 26.09.2005 06:59 |
Lol show that they wasnt No 1 so watch this space we shall see what bpp got to say to this lol i say chart or not they have done well In Play.com best seller they are in 9th place |
| Localboy80 26.09.2005 07:01 |
There is no point reasoning or arguing with BPP, as he is very stuck in his ways. I respect that he has an opinion but to be ignorant and say Paul Rodgers, Brian May or Roger Taylor has no voice, then I really cannot take anything this guy say seriously. I was very fortunate enough to see the Tour at Cardiff International Arena and Hyde Park. The concerts were excellent and I hope these see the light of day via CD and DVD. Now I purchased the CD of the Sheffield concert on the day it was released. Now I was told this was a weak concert on the Tour but believe me, it is not. If BPP was not so far up his own arse and actually listened to the CD, he would understand that this is still the music of Queen! When Paul Rodgers is not singing and it is just the music, you know it is the sound of Queen! As for Paul Rodgers not being able to sing, well, like I said, it is pointless to argue with BPP, because where as I could appreciate if you did not like his voice, due to personal taste etc... Then fair enough but to be so blind and say he cannot sing, then you are a person who cannot be reasoned with, as you do not have the intelligence or maturity to have a discussion with. Listen to the CD and you will hear exactly how good his voice is and the same goes for Mr. May and especially Mr. Taylor. To hear Roger sing and play the drums at his age, you would think he would be terrible but if anything, he is like a fine wine and has got better with age. When Brian May is just about to sing 'Love Of My Life' and then dedicates it to Freddie's mother, who is in the audience, you can really feel and sense the emotion and it really sums the concert and Tour up! All I will say, is that it is pointless arguing but buy, borrow or steal the CD BPP (don't worry, you don't have to tell us if you will/have) and give it a listen. What harm is it going to do? It will be better than listening to anything like Mcfly or Busted! At least then you will be able to give a fairer argument! |
| @ndy38 26.09.2005 07:33 |
Well entering the UK charts at number 12 is ok, but if it doesn't peak in the top 10 then it'll be a bit of a disappointment. The amount of crap music out there today should really see this album do well. |
| The Mir@cle 26.09.2005 07:35 |
Lots of people are gonna wait for the DVD to come out I think... So let's judge the DVD instead of the CD. |
| deleted user 26.09.2005 07:45 |
<font color=black>andylamb_38 wrote: The amount of crap music out there today should really see this album do well.I do agree about the crap music of these days... If you can have a Crazy frog within the n°1 place!!! or Eurovision crap |
| GreatKingSam 26.09.2005 08:13 |
The problem is, it is the crap manufactured wank that dominates the charts, becuase little girls and their mum's go out and buy it. Shame really, but given the crap out there, for a group that hasn't been around properly for the best part of a decade to team up with another bloke who is in a similar position to enter at number twelve is pretty good in my opinion. Also with not a lot of promotion AND given its a live offering. Well done I say. Good start. Let's hope for better things... |
| Tero 26.09.2005 08:17 |
The problem is that ROTC just isn't that great. If it was as brilliant as the people in here say, than surely it would have sold shitloads anyway? |
| on my way up 26.09.2005 08:45 |
Queen's music is great and Paul Rodgers is a great singer who does a great job.I love some versions on the cd.For me Roger really stands out.The songs he sings are my favourites.I also like Last horizon and hammer to fall and the paul rodgers songs.I'm glad I bought this album and I will buy the dvd aswell.For me it is nowhere near as good as queen with freddie but still brilliant music by brilliant musician. |
| Fenderek 26.09.2005 08:53 |
Tero wrote: The problem is that ROTC just isn't that great. If it was as brilliant as the people in here say, than surely it would have sold shitloads anyway?Don;'t amke me laugh- since when the good music charts really high? Especially nowaday? Look at charts- crap only- decent albums and singles appear there only occasionally!!! If we went with this logic that would mean that Westlife's songs are among the works of Bethoveen or Mozart... They sold shitloads didn't they? Sam goes for Spice girls- sold shitloads. is it so brilliant? And so on and so on... you get my drift... |
| deleted user 26.09.2005 09:15 |
correct .... if I would be singing "CHICKEN ASS" or "STUFFED TURCKEY" in smurf version.... I would probably get the n°1 hit of this winters hitlist... and as I said before it only entered in 12 place so still has a lot to clim...!!!! |
| kerfuffle87 26.09.2005 09:20 |
The Mir@cle wrote: Lots of people are gonna wait for the DVD to come out I think... So let's judge the DVD instead of the CD.that could be true, people tend to focus on the visual nowadays. imo there IS a lot of crap out there as people have said - but unfortunately it sells incredibly well, as opposed to timeless music written by legends. sometimes i wish jack black would in real life run a school of rock, give some people today some PROPER education. |
| deleted user 26.09.2005 09:46 |
kerfuffle87 wrote: give some people today some PROPER education.why not spending the money they waste on those crap to pay proper education or to help ppl out who need help..... |
| Tero 26.09.2005 10:23 |
Fenderek wrote:I get your drift, and I hope you get mine as well...Tero wrote: The problem is that ROTC just isn't that great. If it was as brilliant as the people in here say, than surely it would have sold shitloads anyway?Don;'t amke me laugh- since when the good music charts really high? Especially nowaday? Look at charts- crap only- decent albums and singles appear there only occasionally!!! If we went with this logic that would mean that Westlife's songs are among the works of Bethoveen or Mozart... They sold shitloads didn't they? Sam goes for Spice girls- sold shitloads. is it so brilliant? And so on and so on... you get my drift... There are albums that are (apparently) good, and also sell very well. All those classic albums like "Rumours", "Dark Side of the Moon", "A Night at the Opera"... Now, if the latest Bri+Rog live album was really as great as you could imagine by reading the dozens of rave reviews on this message board, then surely the album would have sold better? Apparently there was some 150,000 tickets sold in the UK, yet only a fraction of those persons have bought the album. I might be interpreting it in a bit more pessimistic way than you, but to me that sounds like the general public who WERE in the concerts didn't like it that much! |
| Fenderek 26.09.2005 11:10 |
Tero wrote: I get your drift, and I hope you get mine as well... There are albums that are (apparently) good, and also sell very well. All those classic albums like "Rumours", "Dark Side of the Moon", "A Night at the Opera"... Now, if the latest Bri+Rog live album was really as great as you could imagine by reading the dozens of rave reviews on this message board, then surely the album would have sold better? Apparently there was some 150,000 tickets sold in the UK, yet only a fraction of those persons have bought the album. I might be interpreting it in a bit more pessimistic way than you, but to me that sounds like the general public who WERE in the concerts didn't like it that much!One thing you're forgetting- the albums you mentioned indeed sold extremely well, but... they are STUDIO albums, not live ones. Give me ONE live album that sold anywhere near Dark side Of The moon or The Wall... It's acompletely different thing to go on a gig and to buy a live CD- not everyone at those gigs was a band fan- there are many people who go to many gigs and won't necesairly buy a live album from every one of them... I could agree with you to some extent, but it's not as black and white... This album ISN'T the best live work i've ever heard. But it IS good. In fact it's one of the better CDs I bought this year (among Dream Theater's "Octavarium" or System Of A Down's "Mezmerize"). General public didn't buy it? Do you think Queen's Boxed Set will sell in huge quantity? I don't think so- will it mean that no-one cares about Queen even with Freddie? Not really... General public prefers to buy crap like "The Way To Amarillo" or "Crazy frog"- I really don't care how high an album charts- when I like it, i like it... People now buy a lot of terrible shit, so if they don't want to buy Q+PR live album... I don't care, doesn't prove it's not good IMO... |
| Jimi 26.09.2005 11:14 |
Good point Tero. Firstly the 150k of people that went to the tour were not one time attendees. It would be interesting(although impossible ) to know how many different people went. I was at 4 indoor and one outdoor. I've got one copy of the album of course!Most folks attend with partners now due to the age range so thats one copy in two! I still think 12 is a little disappointing and if they're honest , which i doubt they will be, the band should be too. |
| its_a_hard_life 26.09.2005 11:26 |
Sharon G. wrote: If you want to see and hear Queen, buy the Live at Wembley Cd or DVD. It is excellent.I have it... But want more then just those dvds... Seeing as Queen+pr have released a dvd im going to buy it and not keep seeing wembley i like to see other stuff not just that... I love wembley and all there dvds and now this one is coming out soon it will be great something NEW to look forward to. |
| The Real Wizard 26.09.2005 11:34 |
I think the fact that this is the first Queen album in 10 years, the band is lacking its key member, and it is a live album, already at #12 - is absolutely amazing. Queen is a band who are well past their heyday, and this is quite an accomplishment. It's totally not fair to compare this to Rumours, Dark Side, or ANATO as suggested, for the aforementioned reasons. |
| Mr_Bad_Guy_91 26.09.2005 11:46 |
YES YES YES we saw the DVD it ROCKED !!! i will be getting it People that dont like it your loss LOL |
| its_a_hard_life 26.09.2005 11:51 |
Sorry to say but people who dont want to buy it your missing out on alot and i bet you will buy it, put up a front wouldnt you, but when you listen to the cd or dvd you wont want to diss it at all, THANK YOU PAUL RODGERS FOR HELPING QUEENS MUSIC STAY ALIVE AND TO BRIAN AND ROGER FOR AGREEING TO GO ON TOUR AND MAKE ALL YOUR TRUE FANS HAVE A WONDERFUL TIME!!! |
| Mr_Bad_Guy_91 26.09.2005 11:56 |
Freddie is not coming back Face it His mum was at sheffield she accept it if she can why cant you seeing it was FREDDIE MUM Plus Life goes on and show must go on :) saw the dvd at the cinema brillant will be getting it as soon as it on SALE i be outside Virgin store at 9.00 am first thing when it out hahaha ROCK ON !!! |
| gmhmagic 26.09.2005 12:29 |
Brian´s Permed Poodle... you´ve become a pain in the ass... Webmaster Richard, please get rid of him! |
| Tero 26.09.2005 12:45 |
Fenderek wrote: One thing you're forgetting- the albums you mentioned indeed sold extremely well, but... they are STUDIO albums, not live ones.I'm not forgetting it. Why should we separate whether an album is a studio album, live album, or a live in studio album? The fact is that this live album is the only thing Peter, Paul and Mary (or whatever those guys are called... :P ) have released together, and there is a correlation between how much people like them, and how many records they sell. I could agree with you to some extent, but it's not as black and white... This album ISN'T the best live work i've ever heard. But it IS good. In fact it's one of the better CDs I bought this year (among Dream Theater's "Octavarium" or System Of A Down's "Mezmerize"). General public didn't buy it? Do you think Queen's Boxed Set will sell in huge quantity?Of course it's not black and white... That's what I am getting at. Some people will look at the charts and think "15,000 sold records and #12 in the charts. That's pretty good for a live album." I'll look at the same figures and think "That's pretty lousy for the only recording this band has to show. Doesn't the audience want to hear them anymore?" It's all about how we choose to interpret the same things. General public prefers to buy crap like "The Way To Amarillo" or "Crazy frog"- I really don't care how high an album charts- when I like it, i like it... People now buy a lot of terrible shit, so if they don't want to buy Q+PR live album... I don't care, doesn't prove it's not good IMO...I can wholeheartedly agree that the charts don't tell a thing about what is good or not. What I do care about is the amount of sales, because there is (again) a correlation between the amount of sold records and the amount of people who actually enjoy the album. I don't know about other people, but I find it a very worrying sign of their popularity if only one quarter of the Hyde Park audience buys the record. Of course, we don't really know how succesful it is until we know how long it will stay in the charts... I suppose it's realistic to expect half of the audience to eventually buy it, so it will at least reach the silver status. :/ |
| Fedepetti 26.09.2005 12:54 |
<font color=red>BEE-ny wrote: correct .... if I would be singing "CHICKEN ASS" or "STUFFED TURCKEY" in smurf version.... I would probably get the n°1 hit of this winters hitlist... and as I said before it only entered in 12 place so still has a lot to clim...!!!!Nowadays, the debut position on the first week it's the best. It will plummet to hell during the second week, just like the Stones (2-13-32) and Macca (10-34) I'll be surprised with another week in the Top 40. Live At The Bowl entered at #20 in the UK charts and disappeared from the Top 40 the following week. |
| deleted user 26.09.2005 13:26 |
Fedepetti wrote:that's my point to much crap around and sad ppl buying in to it...!!!!<font color=red>BEE-ny wrote: correct .... if I would be singing "CHICKEN ASS" or "STUFFED TURCKEY" in smurf version.... I would probably get the n°1 hit of this winters hitlist... and as I said before it only entered in 12 place so still has a lot to clim...!!!!Nowadays, the debut position on the first week it's the best. It will plummet to hell during the second week, just like the Stones (2-13-32) and Macca (10-34) I'll be surprised with another week in the Top 40. Live At The Bowl entered at #20 in the UK charts and disappeared from the Top 40 the following week. I am quite sure that there are other examples around of the contrary |
| john bodega 26.09.2005 13:51 |
Yes. I would like to see BPP go out on a stage in front of god knows how many people saw Q+PR (YES - it has Queen in the name you fool) at Sheffield, and say to them 'these guys are talentless hacks and they suck'. I would love to see the reception he'd get then. So what if their frickin' CD is selling at no. 12? How is YOUR latest single coming in, mate? Roger Taylor remains an inimitable drummer. Brian May still manages to find the odd new thing to do with his guitar parts. Paul Rogers is, to me, not anything nearly as good as Freddie - but heck, when I want to hear Freddie I put him on the stereo. And when I want to hear something different? I buy no. 12 (which is, by the way, my favourite number). You just can't stand to let people enjoy themselves can you? Is it so hard to just let people have their fun? I actually understand your viewpoint, but it's not something worth fighting over. I have a similar dislike of Robbie Williams, I just think he's hopeless in every respect. But at the end of the day, people enjoy themselves at his shows, and not much I say will change that. So, I dunno BPP, and all your bloody offsiders... just live and let live dudes. |
| englishyob 26.09.2005 14:40 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: link If the Champions had returned shouldn't it be at No 1 ? Even Daniel O'Donnell (Blue Rinse Brigade Favourite) and Barbara Streisand ( her with the massive nose to rival Barry Manilow (are they related ?) managed 10th and 3rd respectively. This is EVEN after English Yob ordered 500 copies of ROTC to inflate the figures. For those who bought it at full price will be regretting it as you will be able to buy it next month in a Bargain Bin at your nearest HMV.and I’ve sent them all to your cop shop for your attention cos i know your a massive QPR fan. But number 12 is quite good for a chart that is dominated by pop/rock band wannabes who have the record companies throwing money at them and promotion. Come just admit it you love it really your doing this for the attention now |
| Tero 26.09.2005 15:13 |
Jimi wrote: Firstly the 150k of people that went to the tour were not one time attendees. It would be interesting(although impossible ) to know how many different people went. I was at 4 indoor and one outdoor. I've got one copy of the album of course!Most folks attend with partners now due to the age range so thats one copy in two! I still think 12 is a little disappointing and if they're honest , which i doubt they will be, the band should be too.I don't think there were THAT many people who saw several concerts. :P Even if there were 1,000 of the same people at every concert, it wouldn't register when rounding the total audience to 150k. Your second point however is one that I hadn't even thought about (since I go to concerts by myself). That would of course mean that in a few years time virtually every household that saw the concert (all 70,000 of them) will probably have the album... And that amount is surely a disappointment for everyone who wants to see this album as the reneissance of Queen. And just in case somebody is still wondering... Yes, I travelled to another country to see the QPR show. Yes, I bought the live album on the day of release. No, I still haven't listened to it all the way through. I just don't like the cd, and I'm not going to recommend anyone to buy it. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 26.09.2005 16:25 |
If it was phlEghMINEM or Kanye West then they'd have staying power. Rap is now a caricature of itself. Jay-Z is a fake gangsta. Rap died after 2Pac and BIG died. Kanye West is a racist as he degraded white artists more than once. He degraded Gretchen Wilson(a white country singer) for winning the American Music Award for Best New Artist and cried race card. He then degraded Dick Clark and the award committee for being biased towards white people. He then whined about losing a Best New Artist Grammy. Then he whined about how the media is portraying black people in the media after the tragic Hurricane Katrina. Not all black people are bad, there are just some bad apples is all. Music buyers today are naive sheep whom are told by big brother eMptyTV what to listen to and what is hip. Music is dead IMHO! |
| NOTWMEDDLE 26.09.2005 16:26 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote:BPP needs to go to a mental asylum. He can't accept that a legend like Paul Rodgers is with Queen instead of that moron Robbie Williams whom is basically despised in the US and George Michael whom was an 80s teen sensation whom fell from GRACE big time!Sharon G. wrote: As Freddie was the 'King of Queen" and the true Champion, this CD should be called "return of the Chumps."LOL Sharon Or "Return Of The Has-Beens minus their Champion Original Singer" |
| NOTWMEDDLE 26.09.2005 16:28 |
August R. wrote: Just wanted to remind you that NONE of Queen's live albums have ever reached #1 in UK. Not even in their heydays when that guy with the moustache was still around. Highest chart positions of Queen's live albums: Live Killers #3 Live Magic #3 Live At Wembley #2 On Fire #6LK peaked at #16 in the US LM wasn't released in the US until 1996 and didn't chart LaW hit #52 in the US and sank On Fire didn't chart ROTC debuted at #84 ROTC is the third highest charting live effort from Queen. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 26.09.2005 16:31 |
Fenderek wrote:Best albums of 2005 areTero wrote: I get your drift, and I hope you get mine as well... There are albums that are (apparently) good, and also sell very well. All those classic albums like "Rumours", "Dark Side of the Moon", "A Night at the Opera"... Now, if the latest Bri+Rog live album was really as great as you could imagine by reading the dozens of rave reviews on this message board, then surely the album would have sold better? Apparently there was some 150,000 tickets sold in the UK, yet only a fraction of those persons have bought the album. I might be interpreting it in a bit more pessimistic way than you, but to me that sounds like the general public who WERE in the concerts didn't like it that much!One thing you're forgetting- the albums you mentioned indeed sold extremely well, but... they are STUDIO albums, not live ones. Give me ONE live album that sold anywhere near Dark side Of The moon or The Wall... It's acompletely different thing to go on a gig and to buy a live CD- not everyone at those gigs was a band fan- there are many people who go to many gigs and won't necesairly buy a live album from every one of them... I could agree with you to some extent, but it's not as black and white... This album ISN'T the best live work i've ever heard. But it IS good. In fact it's one of the better CDs I bought this year (among Dream Theater's "Octavarium" or System Of A Down's "Mezmerize"). General public didn't buy it? Do you think Queen's Boxed Set will sell in huge quantity? I don't think so- will it mean that no-one cares about Queen even with Freddie? Not really... General public prefers to buy crap like "The Way To Amarillo" or "Crazy frog"- I really don't care how high an album charts- when I like it, i like it... People now buy a lot of terrible shit, so if they don't want to buy Q+PR live album... I don't care, doesn't prove it's not good IMO... 1)The Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang 2)Queen + Paul Rodgers - Return of the Champions 3)Genesis Platinum Collection(which came out in the US on the same day as ROTC) 4)Judas Priest - Angel of Retribution Now I just have to wait for ANAtO and Pink Floyd's WYWH 30th Anniversary edition sets. |
| The Real Wizard 27.09.2005 13:49 |
NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Best albums of 2005 are 1)The Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang 2)Queen + Paul Rodgers - Return of the Champions 3)Genesis Platinum Collection(which came out in the US on the same day as ROTC) 4)Judas Priest - Angel of RetributionHow many other albums from 2005 have you actually listened to from beginning to end? And you really can't count two of those selections, because they're not really new music. I suggest you pick up Dream Theater's "Octavarium" and System's "Mezmerize". But really, there aren't many good "albums" to choose from these days, because it's all about singles, as opposed to albums. There aren't many album bands anymore. Whatever happened to the Floyds, Zeppelins, Genesis', and Whos of the past? |
| NOTWMEDDLE 27.09.2005 14:26 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:System of A Down sucks! Dream Theater I only liked Images and Words. Haven't heard the rest of their stuff. Because of eMptyTV and such we are back to the 1940s/50s/60s singles concept. Album rock is a dying breed. The Who is working on an album, David Gilmour and Roger Waters' solo discs are due for release next year. Led Zeppelin is gone. Genesis folded after Calling All Stations tanked! Nowadays, I am going more into classical music and weaning away from rock and roll. Give me Bach, Mozart and Beethoven over Prisstina Aquafina!NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Best albums of 2005 are 1)The Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang 2)Queen + Paul Rodgers - Return of the Champions 3)Genesis Platinum Collection(which came out in the US on the same day as ROTC) 4)Judas Priest - Angel of RetributionHow many other albums from 2005 have you actually listened to from beginning to end? And you really can't count two of those selections, because they're not really new music. I suggest you pick up Dream Theater's "Octavarium" and System's "Mezmerize". But really, there aren't many good "albums" to choose from these days, because it's all about singles, as opposed to albums. There aren't many album bands anymore. Whatever happened to the Floyds, Zeppelins, Genesis', and Whos of the past? |
| NOTWMEDDLE 27.09.2005 14:32 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote:I am so disillusioned with today's music that I am now going to classical music and even opera. Linkin Park, Coldplay and so forth can go to Hell! Rap is a caricature of itself and more phonies come out every year. Even the teen pop queen Bratney Sneers' career is over. Her last two records TANKED and her firing her manager put the nail in the coffin for her career especially after marrying the freeloader dancer she stole from a pregnant woman!NOTWMEDDLE wrote: Best albums of 2005 are 1)The Rolling Stones - A Bigger Bang 2)Queen + Paul Rodgers - Return of the Champions 3)Genesis Platinum Collection(which came out in the US on the same day as ROTC) 4)Judas Priest - Angel of RetributionHow many other albums from 2005 have you actually listened to from beginning to end? And you really can't count two of those selections, because they're not really new music. I suggest you pick up Dream Theater's "Octavarium" and System's "Mezmerize". But really, there aren't many good "albums" to choose from these days, because it's all about singles, as opposed to albums. There aren't many album bands anymore. Whatever happened to the Floyds, Zeppelins, Genesis', and Whos of the past? The sad fact is no one buys records nor go to the movies anymore nor go buy fast food. Reality TV, healthy living and violent video games are what is in! If life will be that way, I might as well just commit suicide! |
| Ray D O'Gaga 28.09.2005 00:32 |
August R. wrote: Highest chart positions of Queen's live albums: Live Killers #3 Live Magic #3 Live At Wembley #2 On Fire #6"On Fire - Live at the Bowl" debuted and peaked at #20 in the UK, which means that Queen + Paul Rodgers live did 8 slots better on the chart than Queen + Freddie Mercury live. And as has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, ROTC debuted at #84 in the US whereas "On Fire" didn't sell enough copies to even chart on the Top 200. ROTC, both the album and the tour, is absolutely and quantifiably a success. The numbers alone tell the story, to say nothing of the overwhelmingly positive critical reviews and the thousands and thousands and thousands of happy and satisfied concert attendees. End of discussion. The poodle and his bitch should really find the deepest hole they can, crawl inside, and die. They bring nothing to this board but trolly tedium. So, GO AWAY! |
| August R. 28.09.2005 04:21 |
Ray D O'Gaga wrote:Ok. I believe you. I used internet source to find out the highest chart postition for 'On Fire'.August R. wrote: Highest chart positions of Queen's live albums: Live Killers #3 Live Magic #3 Live At Wembley #2 On Fire #6"On Fire - Live at the Bowl" debuted and peaked at #20 in the UK, which means that Queen + Paul Rodgers live did 8 slots better on the chart than Queen + Freddie Mercury live. And as has been pointed out elsewhere in the thread, ROTC debuted at #84 in the US whereas "On Fire" didn't sell enough copies to even chart on the Top 200. ROTC, both the album and the tour, is absolutely and quantifiably a success. The numbers alone tell the story, to say nothing of the overwhelmingly positive critical reviews and the thousands and thousands and thousands of happy and satisfied concert attendees. End of discussion. The poodle and his bitch should really find the deepest hole they can, crawl inside, and die. They bring nothing to this board but trolly tedium. So, GO AWAY! And I found this site telling it reached #6 link I really shouldn't believe everything I read in the Net:). Thanks for correcting me. Anyway, ROTC rocks!!! |
| Bobby_brown 28.09.2005 18:15 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: link If the Champions had returned shouldn't it be at No 1 ? Even Daniel O'Donnell (Blue Rinse Brigade Favourite) and Barbara Streisand ( her with the massive nose to rival Barry Manilow (are they related ?) managed 10th and 3rd respectively. This is EVEN after English Yob ordered 500 copies of ROTC to inflate the figures. For those who bought it at full price will be regretting it as you will be able to buy it next month in a Bargain Bin at your nearest HMV.The thing is that nowadays people are starting to buy less Cd's from the stores and by now Live Albums just don't sell!! They've got lucky to get to number 12 in the charts. I bet that if U2 release a live album it flops big deal too. People prefer to buy the DVD and so do i! That's why i think that live albums don't make sense unless they are packed with the DVD because between the two, people are going for the DVD. Just wait and see the DVD sales. Look how high in charts the Live at The Bowl went last year. It flopped big time, but the DVD it's still selling, so this is not a question of Paul or Freddie, the music companies have to update themselves for reallity, people have way too many things to spend their money, and to release a CD and DVD in separate ways isn't appealing anymore, and the prices!??? Take care |
| The Real Wizard 29.09.2005 00:20 |
NOTWMEDDLE wrote: System of A Down sucks! Dream Theater I only liked Images and Words. Haven't heard the rest of their stuff. Because of eMptyTV and such we are back to the 1940s/50s/60s singles concept. Album rock is a dying breed. The Who is working on an album, David Gilmour and Roger Waters' solo discs are due for release next year. Led Zeppelin is gone. Genesis folded after Calling All Stations tanked! Nowadays, I am going more into classical music and weaning away from rock and roll. Give me Bach, Mozart and Beethoven over Prisstina Aquafina!Dream Theater - pick up Scenes From A Memory and Octavarium. Two of the best albums created in the past ten years. Disc 2 of Six Degrees Of Inner Turbulence is their other concept album, and it's incredible as well. Btw, my "whatever happened to..." question was more hypothetical than anything... I know what actually happened to them! :P |
| Lord Blackadder 29.09.2005 13:38 |
Number 12 eh. That's 8 places higher then 'Live At The Bowl'. |
| NOTWMEDDLE 29.09.2005 15:57 |
Bobby_brown wrote:DVDs are boring for the most part. I don't watch TV or movies. I only have THREE or so DVDs as I tend to sell the ones I have for CDs. I only have The Making of Dark Side of the Moon, Red Sox World Series Faith Rewarded, Genesis The Way We Walk Live. I just don't watch TV or anything for that matter and I still stick with VHS pretty much.Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: link If the Champions had returned shouldn't it be at No 1 ? Even Daniel O'Donnell (Blue Rinse Brigade Favourite) and Barbara Streisand ( her with the massive nose to rival Barry Manilow (are they related ?) managed 10th and 3rd respectively. This is EVEN after English Yob ordered 500 copies of ROTC to inflate the figures. For those who bought it at full price will be regretting it as you will be able to buy it next month in a Bargain Bin at your nearest HMV.The thing is that nowadays people are starting to buy less Cd's from the stores and by now Live Albums just don't sell!! They've got lucky to get to number 12 in the charts. I bet that if U2 release a live album it flops big deal too. People prefer to buy the DVD and so do i! That's why i think that live albums don't make sense unless they are packed with the DVD because between the two, people are going for the DVD. Just wait and see the DVD sales. Look how high in charts the Live at The Bowl went last year. It flopped big time, but the DVD it's still selling, so this is not a question of Paul or Freddie, the music companies have to update themselves for reallity, people have way too many things to spend their money, and to release a CD and DVD in separate ways isn't appealing anymore, and the prices!??? Take care |
| brENsKi 29.09.2005 16:09 |
Bryans Permed Poodle wrote: Bryan's Permed Poodle limps into yet another pathetic anti-queen+pr attack No. 2,435 |
| Mr_Bad_Guy_91 30.09.2005 03:31 |
It not Luck it them Queen and Pr they will enter the chart no matter how high or how low they are in QUEEN ROCK and that simple :) |