| Queen& 18.08.2005 06:16 |
which queen live setlist do you think is the worst .I think it is this years tour dont think its very imaginitive. |
| Josuè 18.08.2005 06:18 |
Die. |
| Wet Willie 18.08.2005 07:54 |
I agree with this year's too. Too much Brian / Roger songs. The Jazz Tour was pretty un,imaginative too. We'd all heard the same songs the previous tour (News Tour). just add a couple of the new record... |
| Wet Willie 18.08.2005 09:24 |
The thing is, of course, when a band gets to play stadiums, there are thousands of 'not so fans' or 'new ones'. Therefore, and I'm sure we've all experienced this, when you have a limited knowledge of the band's catalog, you have more fun hearing the popular songs. Some bands do special gigs for Fan Club members and treat them with obscure stuff and that's great to be part of. But as the majority of the audience only know the singles, you have to compromise and offer the majority's choice. Not always fun for the dedicated ones. Hence my critic of the latest tour also. But I understand why. |
| willem-jan 8923 18.08.2005 09:48 |
Chrirons wrote: Some bands do special gigs for Fan Club members and treat them with obscure stuff and that's great to be part of.Remember Queen did one at the Brixton, not too long ago? Damn, the setlist was crammed with obscure material. [/Sarcasm] I agree with the fact that the more people are attending a show, the bigger the hits are that get played (positive exception: Metallica). I really liked the idea of the "The Works" tour, mixing less known songs with the bigger hits. However, it didn't work out due to the way they were performed. But I think I should go with Mr. Quinn in this case, and vote for the magic tour as worst set-list. Contrary to the Works tour, the performances were good (mostly). |
| The Real Wizard 18.08.2005 10:32 |
It's all about perspective. From a hardcore fan's perspective, they want to hear obscure stuff. To the average fan who knows 10-20 songs, if they hear half of them, especially their favourites, they're happy. It's all about keeping both of these groups happy, and the 2005 and Magic tours generally did not accomplish that. But is that what they're trying to accomplish? There were definitely a few points in the show where Brian did subtle things to address the hardcore fans, like the White Man intro to FBG, the Get Down Make Love effects during the AKOM intro, and the occasional Long Away. Not nearly enough for my tastes, but they are playing to keep themselves happy, as well as the majority of people. By playing 20 minutes of obscure stuff, they would be keeping a few hundred people happy, but perhaps boring several thousand. I don't think you can completely please everybody. |
| mike hunt 18.08.2005 10:45 |
i agree, a band like "dream theater" has no hits, so they don't have to worry about such things. |
| Breadman 18.08.2005 12:04 |
mike hunt wrote: i agree, a band like "dream theater" has no hits, so they don't have to worry about such things.Funny you should write that. I was just chatting with a friend about a dream theatre set list for a tour they are currently on. Being into their older stuff, he did not much appreciate the list we were looking at. I told him though that because they have no hits and most, if not all people at their concerts are big fans, they are in a position to significantly rotate their setlist each night, which is what they do. link |
| mike hunt 18.08.2005 13:37 |
that's why people make me laugh with all this talk. in 1975 they had only a couple of hits, that's why you hear songs like "black queen" and "white queen" in 1986 they had way to many hits in england to play those types of songs. the average band has a quarter of the hits queen have (especially in england) that's why it's much harder to make every fan happy. |
| The Fairy King 18.08.2005 15:08 |
<b><font color = "crimson">ThomasQuinn wrote:I totally agree with you'z!Chrirons wrote: I agree with this year's too. Too much Brian / Roger songs. The Jazz Tour was pretty un,imaginative too. We'd all heard the same songs the previous tour (News Tour). just add a couple of the new record...I don't agree, the Jazz-tour was very good setlist-wise IMHO. My vote goes to the 'Greatest Hits' setlist of the Magic Tour. |
| Negative Creep 18.08.2005 16:51 |
Theres nothing obscure about album tracks (!)... its far too easy for bands to play Greatest Hits sets, as it requires a lot less effort to get positive reactions from audiences and the press. The worst tour setlists I would say were the Magic tour and (if you can stretch your imagination quite a lot) this recent tour on the basis that they were playing it far too safely. |
| The Real Wizard 19.08.2005 00:23 |
mike hunt wrote: i agree, a band like "dream theater" has no hits, so they don't have to worry about such things.Is that your lame attempt at trying get an angry reaction out of me? You're well-known here for being intolerant of the opinions of others, but now you've resorted to trying to use people's tastes against them. Sad, no matter how old you are. Dream Theater goes out of their way to look at the setlists of the previous times they played in your city, to make sure they don't play the same songs two concerts in a row. Name one other band who does that for their fans. I have never once gone on a rant about an artist I don't understand or appreciate. I am a mature adult, and realize that my tastes aren't everyone's tastes, and vice versa. As I've said before, appreciation of any art form is relative to one's tastes. So get over the fact that my tastes aren't yours, and start using your time more constructively. So for you, maybe that should mean making a website containing pages full of anger towards all the bands whom you feel like condemning. Maybe then you won't have to spam public forums with your negativity. |
| Mr.Jingles 19.08.2005 00:40 |
C'mon Mike, why bring the subject of Dream Theater when Bob didn't even point it out. Personally I like Dream Theater, but there are times when I'm just not in the mood for a song that is 15 minutes long. Nonetheless they're a great band, but it's just a matter of taste. A lot of people I know despise rap with a passion, and I can understand why because most of the genre sucks. However, there's a few great rappers like Tupac Shakur. |
| The Real Wizard 19.08.2005 00:44 |
What? All rappers suck, and they all talk about nothing except for sex and drugs. They all have no talent, and never will. The only reason why they make videos is because Queen were the first band to make videos. The only band that will ever have talent is Queen. Queen are infallable. --- Always wanted to be a stepford for a minute. |
| Mr.Jingles 19.08.2005 00:44 |
Now back to the real subject of this thread, I think that the reason why 'The Magic Tour' included so many of the hits was because there was far more demand for tickets from non-fans who saw Queen on LiveAid and were driven by the hype of seeing Queen live on their next tour. It still wasn't a bad setlist. Personally I think that Queen never had a bad setlist. |
| Mr.Jingles 19.08.2005 00:45 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: What? All rappers suck, and they all talk about nothing except for sex and drugs. They all have no talent, and never will. The only reason why they make videos is because Queen were the first band to make videos. The only band that will ever have talent is Queen. Queen are infallable. --- Always wanted to be a stepford for a minute.Hehe, you got me there for once. |
| The Real Wizard 19.08.2005 01:05 |
Mr.Jingles wrote:Hehe, you got me there for once.Mission accomplished. |
| Brianmay1975 19.08.2005 05:21 |
Well, I'm a hardcore fan and I'm totally pleased with their 2005 setlist. Well, of course I'd hacve liked to hear some "obscure" material, but I'm just happy with what they gave to the audience. As long as it was well done (and it was). I love their big hits, they're my favourite songs. I would be pretty disappointed if I'd go to a Queen show and I wouldn't hear A Kind Of Magic or Radio Ga Ga. We may be sick and tired of their big hits, but, let's face it, their greatest hits are indeed their best songs (gonna hate me for reminding that to you, don't you? :P) |
| willem-jan 8923 19.08.2005 05:51 |
Brianmay1975 wrote: I would be pretty disappointed if I'd go to a Queen show and I wouldn't hear A Kind Of Magic or Radio Ga Ga. We may be sick and tired of their big hits, but, let's face it, their greatest hits are indeed their best songs (gonna hate me for reminding that to you, don't you? :P)You think those songs are their best? Wow, then I think taste indeed IS something very personal, as Bob already mentioned earlier. But I think it's strange that Metallica can get away with playing "obscure" stuff. Why can't Queen? Could it be that Queen has a "radio-listening" audience, while Metallica fans (or metal in general) listen to albums? |
| mike hunt 19.08.2005 11:17 |
that's another thing i hate about these forums, the word "steford" it makes a person sound like an idiot when they say that. i never heard about a steford in music until i started visiting this stupid site. your a steford, how stupid. |
| iljaiya 19.08.2005 13:10 |
Yeah like other bands (Metallica for example) Queen should have played three/five big hits every nigh throughout the tour and fill the rest of the concerts up with album tracks (25-30 rotating). |
| mike hunt 19.08.2005 16:56 |
your forgetting one thing, like the rest of the know it alls on this board. metallica had a half dozen top 40 hits, when queen played wembly in 86 they had between 30 and 40 top 40's. again it doesn't take a genious to figure out why queen had a tougher time pulling that off, but then again, this is queenzone, asking people to use some common sense is way to much to ask. duh, why do queen play so many hits, duh. i wish i could be as smart as the rest of you queenzoners. |
| willem-jan 8923 19.08.2005 17:14 |
Even if that would be true, and they only were to play the hits, then why not vary. I mean, they had the same bloody setlist every show (yeah yeah, I know they had some one-off covers). Metallica may have less hits, at least they dare to skip songs as Enter Sandman, One, Nothing Else Matters. I mean, this band is known for those few songs, people come to see these songs. Skipping them is therefor a risky business. Queen didn't skip WATC/WWRY, TYMD or Bohemian Rhapsody once. Sure they're great songs, but to keep things interesting for the fans, it's nice to see a change every now and then. |
| mike hunt 19.08.2005 17:17 |
ok, then go to a metallica fan site, what the hell are you doing here. |
| willem-jan 8923 20.08.2005 04:42 |
mike hunt wrote: ok, then go to a metallica fan siteNeh, I'm not that much of a fan of them. I'm just more openminded than the average Queen fan I guess. I could tell the same story for Iron Maiden. Doing a tour at the moment playing only songs from their first 4 albums. Imagine Queen would do that instead of the Magic tour. what the hell are you doing here.Killing time |
| OgreBattleField1980 21.08.2005 18:20 |
Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: What? All rappers suck, and they all talk about nothing except for sex and drugs. They all have no talent, and never will. The only reason why they make videos is because Queen were the first band to make videos. The only band that will ever have talent is Queen. Queen are infallable. --- Always wanted to be a stepford for a minute.Im gonna start a band called retards attempting poetry. Anyone wanna join me? C'mon it will be great. Think of it as an answer to Fiddy Cent. Our biggest brag we could ever have is we got shot by nine tomatoes with a potato gun! I even have a song title for ya. Let's call it We Will Act Like Someone we aren't! lol |