QueenZone discussion #587401
"Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" discussion (Spoilers allowed)
| inu-liger 18.07.2005 22:14 |
Seeing as there is another topic on this book, which I opened and later marked "(No spoilers please)", I think it would be just as fair to open another topic, and follow suit of other websites such as BulbaGarden and MuggleNet that have separate spoiler and non-spoiler topics on the 6th book in the Harry Potter series, "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince". Note that although I am starting this topic, I will NOT read it (as I am doing the same with those above-mentioned websites with the BBS forums) until I have finished the book. I am currently on page 362 out of 607 (Canadian Edition), so I am a little bit more than half-way through the book. But for those of us QZ'ers that have bought and/or read the book and finished it, you can discuss the book and its plots (and the widely speculated 'death' of course, which I as of writing haven't gotten to the part of yet, hence my abstaining from reading this topic after I create it until I finish reading the book), and even more. To others that may have opened this topic without reading the "Spoilers allowed" part of the title: BEWARE OF SPOILERS WHEN READING THE POSTS BELOW THIS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE STILL READING THE BOOK MENTIONED ABOVE IN THIS POST AND IN THE TOPIC TITLE. Otherwise, discuss away! |
| Smitty 18.07.2005 22:18 |
OK I'll spoil it. DO NOT READ THE POST BELOW IF YOU ARE CURRENTLY READING THE BOOK! |
| Smitty 18.07.2005 22:20 |
Dumbledore dies. Draco Malfoy joins the death eaters. Severus Snape is actually a death eater who killed Dumledore and was known as the Half-Blood Prince. Anyone got more quentions (that's a name) (noooo reallly.) for me to answer, I'll be back in 10 hours. Good night. -edit- SURROUNDED BY CROUDS YELLING "THANKS FOR SPOILING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!!" |
| Smitty 18.07.2005 22:24 |
Alex Solan wrote: I have a question RIGHT NOW: what's a "quention"?It's a name. |
| geeksandgeeks 18.07.2005 23:56 |
I think Dumbledore asked Snape to do it, but I already presented this theory in the Mugglenet chat and they all hate me for it, so maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, dammit. |
| Banquo 19.07.2005 02:54 |
DD wouldn't plead for his life like that. In previous books DD has constantly said there are many things worse than death. In my opinion DD ordered Snape to kill him during the arguement they had. DD was the Hocrux (sp) or that stuff he drank was. In book 7 I think we will see Snape have a massive role and Harry will be torn whether to kill him or help him destroy Voldy. |
| dragonzflame 19.07.2005 05:45 |
RAB is Regulus Black, Sirius' brother and the Horcrux is still at Grimmauld Place somewhere. I am entirely convinced. Remember in OOTP they were cleaning out the house and found "a heavy locket which nobody could open"? Could this be the Horcrux? Regulus joined the Death Eaters, panicked about what he was being asked to do, tried to back out and was killed according to Sirius...maybe he was actually killed because he was suspected of tampering with the Horcrux. It's so characteristic of JKR to mention something seemingly inconsequential in passing that turns out to be crucial. G&G, I agree with you, I don't think DD was pleading for his life, I think he was pleading Snape to finish him off. Snape's still an unknown quantity - we still really don't know why DD trusted him and it must be more than what Harry thinks. Bit rough though, asking Snape to use an Unforgiveable Curse for him... All in all, so very impressed with this book and I look forward to the last instalment. I really want to know more about Harry's parents. |
| Rockyuk 19.07.2005 08:55 |
Taking your own life because someone mentioned a spoiler about book 6 is completly sad... I mean theres still the 7th book? He could do it after that. (joke) Im not sure if snape still bad or not. I felt there were some really sad parts in this book, like when harry was talking about his mother to slughorn (when slughorn was drunk) and breaking up with ginny at the end. |
| iGSM 19.07.2005 09:45 |
That bloke is a drop kick. Fanatic or not -> drop kick. |
| Queenleaf 19.07.2005 17:15 |
I'm really sad. I read it from 12:30am to 8:30am - my dad was pissed because he says Harry Potter is evil but that's beside it. It was really good though. I must say, I thought of Snape being the half-blood prince I mean, he was obviously good at Potions! But I thought the book was supposed to be 50 years old and I thought that was when Tom Riddle was there, not when Snape, Lupin, Sirius, etc. were there. Any other thoughts on this? |
| Queenleaf 19.07.2005 17:23 |
geeksandgeeks wrote: I think Dumbledore asked Snape to do it, but I already presented this theory in the Mugglenet chat and they all hate me for it, so maybe I should just keep my mouth shut, dammit.I thought of Snape getting someone else to pretend to be Dumbledore and killing that person instead (you notice, Harry never does use the jam question :) ) but I'm afraid it's probably just wishfull thinking on all our parts. I think Rowling has played a trick on us. Getting us to take it as a given that Snape always looks like he's on the bad side but is really good all along and then she really suprizes us when we find out he's been bad all along after all. Kind of cool. It's a pity, I've always really liked Snape myself. And I think Lucius is sooooooooooooo hot in the movies!!!!!! And everyone I know thinks Draco is hot... I even named my violin Lucius actually which was kind of funny, b/c I named him that before seeing the movies! :) |
| Queenleaf 19.07.2005 17:26 |
Banquo wrote: DD wouldn't plead for his life like that. In previous books DD has constantly said there are many things worse than death. In my opinion DD ordered Snape to kill him during the arguement they had. DD was the Hocrux (sp) or that stuff he drank was. In book 7 I think we will see Snape have a massive role and Harry will be torn whether to kill him or help him destroy Voldy.I had a theory that the necklace (or whatever) really was the horcrux after all. What better way to insure that the person who found it would not destroy his soul than by getting him to think it wasn't in the object at all? That's a very interesting theory about the stuff he drank and all. Thanks for posting that! |
| Queenleaf 19.07.2005 17:28 |
dragonzflame wrote: RAB is Regulus Black, Sirius' brother and the Horcrux is still at Grimmauld Place somewhere. I am entirely convinced. Remember in OOTP they were cleaning out the house and found "a heavy locket which nobody could open"? Could this be the Horcrux? Regulus joined the Death Eaters, panicked about what he was being asked to do, tried to back out and was killed according to Sirius...maybe he was actually killed because he was suspected of tampering with the Horcrux. It's so characteristic of JKR to mention something seemingly inconsequential in passing that turns out to be crucial. G&G, I agree with you, I don't think DD was pleading for his life, I think he was pleading Snape to finish him off. Snape's still an unknown quantity - we still really don't know why DD trusted him and it must be more than what Harry thinks. Bit rough though, asking Snape to use an Unforgiveable Curse for him... All in all, so very impressed with this book and I look forward to the last instalment. I really want to know more about Harry's parents.Oh dear now I think you're right I had forgotten about that! That's good... sigh I'm going to stop all my stupid posting now... |
| Rockyuk 19.07.2005 17:51 |
If harry had drunken the weakening potion, dumbledoor would easily have been able to get back to hogwarts and save the day. And still be alive. Sirius was a anmignous (sp) maybe his brother was aswell? could be in hiding. I had a strange thought that his brother could be fang, hagrids doggy. A stupid therory though. |
| Haystacks Calhoun 19.07.2005 17:52 |
<font color=blue>Smittygecko wrote: Dumbledore dies. Draco Malfoy joins the death eaters. Severus Snape is actually a death eater who killed Dumledore and was known as the Half-Blood Prince. Anyone got more quentions (that's a name) (noooo reallly.) for me to answer, I'll be back in 10 hours. Good night. -edit- SURROUNDED BY CROUDS YELLING "THANKS FOR SPOILING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!!"You are a fucking wanker. Just because it says spoilers allowed dosen't mean you shoudl DO it. Ass. |
| Smitty 19.07.2005 19:11 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote:JUST BECAUSE THE FORUM TOPIC IS HERE DOESN'T MEAN YOU SHOULD VISIT IT.<font color=blue>Smittygecko wrote: Dumbledore dies. Draco Malfoy joins the death eaters. Severus Snape is actually a death eater who killed Dumledore and was known as the Half-Blood Prince. Anyone got more quentions (that's a name) (noooo reallly.) for me to answer, I'll be back in 10 hours. Good night. -edit- SURROUNDED BY CROUDS YELLING "THANKS FOR SPOILING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!!"You are a fucking wanker. Just because it says spoilers allowed dosen't mean you shoudl DO it. Ass. |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 19.07.2005 19:17 |
Even though I read the spoilers before the book, I couldn't believe Dumbledore died. I'm still hoping there's a catch in there somewhere. And maybe I'm an optimist, but I always thought Snape could've been good! I can't wait to see how the next book turns out now that Harry's not going back to Hogwarts. |
| eggy 20.07.2005 04:30 |
I didn't know what was going to happen, but I gotta say I was pretty dissapointed with the book. Just went on and on about not a lot. All the petty in fighting reminds me of my sister, and 16/17 in this day and age do not get all shy at the site of the opposite sex like that. Still was good, just not what I was expecting. |
| inu-liger 20.07.2005 06:35 |
Just finished the book. I started reading it at about 9:45AM local time on Saturday morning, and finished it this morning, Wednesday at 4:24AM, so in other words for an approx. total of 3 days and 19H 20M (I could've finished it sooner, as I finished book 5 in exactly 3 and a half days as I've mentioned before, first time I read it. I've had other things happen this week to prevent me breaking that record) I actually cried when I got to the part where Dumbledore got killed, and that's really saying something. I didn't cry when Sirius got killed off in the last book, but this death really got to me. But I think it will lead to something BIG in the 7th and final book in the series...what exactly, lies yet ahead to be seen. |
| inu-liger 20.07.2005 06:39 |
Haystacks Calhoun wrote:Well then, you shouldn't have clicked the topic title link, dumbass.<font color=blue>Smittygecko wrote: Dumbledore dies. Draco Malfoy joins the death eaters. Severus Snape is actually a death eater who killed Dumledore and was known as the Half-Blood Prince. Anyone got more quentions (that's a name) (noooo reallly.) for me to answer, I'll be back in 10 hours. Good night. -edit- SURROUNDED BY CROUDS YELLING "THANKS FOR SPOILING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE!!!!"You are a fucking wanker. Just because it says spoilers allowed dosen't mean you shoudl DO it. Ass. There *WAS*, or IS, a reason that I created a topic about this book in the first place, which I later revised the title for to include "(No spoilers please)", and then later decided to create a "spoilers discussion"-type thread about the same book, because I realized afterwards it wouldn't be fair for us not to have an opportunity to express our thoughts and feelings. And the last time a HP book got released (in this case, "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix"), there was only ONE topic, and thus spoilers eventually leaked onto the topic and people got angry. Hence my helping to avoid that situation again by creating two topics on the new book this time. |
| inu-liger 20.07.2005 06:40 |
Oh, and is it just me, or does anyone else think that little kids should NOT read this book until they're older...? What with the darker themes, swear words, and other things... |
| Smitty 20.07.2005 10:00 |
AWWW come on darker themes, swear words, gosh, we can handle it. We've been through the first grade!! |
| Banquo 20.07.2005 13:36 |
Swear words? Where were the swear words? Still think Snape will redeem himself in Book 7. Or Harry will find the truth about Snape after either him or Voldy has killed him. |
| inu-liger 20.07.2005 14:36 |
Doesn't "slut" count as a swear word? If it WAS a children's book (which I do not believe it to be, despite its categorization as one), wouldn't that be too risky a word to put in? |
| Goo 20.07.2005 17:06 |
Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote: I actually cried when I got to the part where Dumbledore got killed, and that's really saying something. I didn't cry when Sirius got killed off in the last book, but this death really got to me.Same . . . I don't think I've cried whilst reading any of the other books (maybe gotten a little bit watery-eyed, but that's it), but Dumbledore was the one character whose loss I knew would really make me teary. I bought the book at 9pm on Monday, and finished it at 4am today (Wednesday). That's less than 36 hours, and I had a 5 hour shift at work yesterday, and I slept somewhere in there too. Not bad, eh? |
| inu-liger 20.07.2005 20:00 |
Goo wrote:That isn't too bad, really.Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote: I actually cried when I got to the part where Dumbledore got killed, and that's really saying something. I didn't cry when Sirius got killed off in the last book, but this death really got to me.Same . . . I don't think I've cried whilst reading any of the other books (maybe gotten a little bit watery-eyed, but that's it), but Dumbledore was the one character whose loss I knew would really make me teary. I bought the book at 9pm on Monday, and finished it at 4am today (Wednesday). That's less than 36 hours, and I had a 5 hour shift at work yesterday, and I slept somewhere in there too. Not bad, eh? Book 2 only took me slightly less than 24 hours to read, so that's the fastest I've read any of the Harry Potter books (and that one was the first one I'd ever actually read too!) |
| Goo 20.07.2005 23:37 |
You started with book 2??? Why's that? |
| inu-liger 21.07.2005 01:17 |
Goo wrote: You started with book 2??? Why's that?Because I was never originally interested in the Harry Potter series to begin with. I'll explain... It was in 2001, when the first HP movie came out, that my dad decided to take me, my sisters, his ex-girlfriend and her kids to see the movie, so I thought "Why not?". Turns out I actually liked the movie. Flash forward to summer 2002: I was at my grandparents' place for the summer in Ontario. And one day I found a copy of "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" lying around, which I discovered was my cousin's copy. So I started reading it, and I was basically hooked. I read it in less than 24 hours from the first afternoon that I started reading it to the next afternoon when I finished it. So there was my curiosity now begun at that point to find out what happens in the next Harry Potter book. I saw the movie adaptation of book 2 twice(!), first time by myself, and second time with my sisters. I really enjoyed that movie when it came out back in late 2002. And then in early 2003, after I had been with McDonald's for some time, I finally got myself copies of "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone", "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets", and "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" during the winter time shortly after Christmas, if memory serves me correctly. (I remember the muddy floors in the mall where I got the 3rd book at Coles) I got the first two books at Shoppers Drug Mart, and I'm glad I did, because my copy of book 1 has a different back cover than what they sell now for copies of the book. (The copy I have has a young goatee'd wizard on the back, while newer copies have Dumbledore. Does anyone know why this is?) And then a friend of dad's visited (while I was away at some other place), and since she couldn't meet me, she left me $50 CDN on my bed along with a navy blue (golf?) shirt. I used some of the money to get "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire". And I've read those stories of course. So then for the first time, with "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix", I was actually waiting for a new HP book to come out in later 2003. It came out eventually, on the same day as my ex-girlfriend's birthday incidentally. It took me exactly 3-½ days to read it. I could've read the new book in less than that, but I've been a bit lazy to be honest. That and I've been trying to get myself set up with Hire A Student so I can get some work through that service here in Canada. But overall, if you were to ask me, I think books 3, 5 and 6 are my favourites. I've read book 5 over 5 times! (Partly 'cos I bought both the Canadian and American edition versions of that book, which is the only time so far I've done for any of the books. I want to do the same for book 6) |
| Goo 21.07.2005 02:01 |
Haha, I read book 5 in 1 1/2 days. :P I've only read 5 and 6 once, but I've read the 4th at least 3 times, and I've read the first 3 probably around 8 times each. I used to be a huge HP nut! I even went to see J.K. Rowling when she came to Toronto for the public reading. It was pretty cool, lots of people were dressed up and stuff! Plus, I really admired her, so it was nice to be able to see her in person and everything. |
| Nyrende 21.07.2005 03:56 |
Ugh Dumbledore is dead, I can't see him coming back it's like the people at Wotmania all think Moraine is coming back. I doubt it JK Rowling isn't that great of an author, I can't see her doing that.. The books are all relatively predictable and really I don't see her doing that, I see him as being dead and staying dead. I Don't see him pulling a Gandalf and coming back; especially with only one book left. IMHO not a very good ending, with Harry not wanting to go to school the next year... seems rather stupid. |
| *3*Playful as a pussycat 21.07.2005 13:05 |
yeah...i was kinda surprised when she used 'slut'...but thank god that confirms im no longer reading a children's book! WooT! uh-huh...i thought it was ok...kinda rushed, but kinda worth the wait. i got a tear when dumbly died (as opposed to the depression i went through when sirius died o__O), but after reading some good theories in here about it, im having some second thoughts...just have to explain them to my 19 year old brother who is utterly disappointed that he died...oh god... |
| Queenleaf 21.07.2005 13:15 |
I didn't cry when Dumbledore died though I almost did. I think I was too tired to cry. But I sure did cry when Siruis died. He was my favorite person. I personally think Snape still has a chance. I have a friend who lives in Fairbanks (AK) and she camped out in front of the bookstore for 28(?) hours before it came out! Woot! |
| My Melancholy Blues 22.07.2005 04:32 |
I don't want to know how you feel it in detail until I'll finish it. :P I just bought it yesterday and I've just begun to read it. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 22.07.2005 18:55 |
Maybe Snape was under the Imperius Curse? Either by Voldemort or by Dumbledore himself???? |
| geeksandgeeks 22.07.2005 22:54 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Maybe Snape was under the Imperius Curse? Either by Voldemort or by Dumbledore himself????Can't see it, Snape is an Occlumens, he'd be strong enough to fight the Imperius Curse. I go with the Dumbledore-wanted-him-to-do-it theory. |
| inu-liger 23.07.2005 00:47 |
Don't forget that Snape did make an Unbreakable Vow near the beginning of the book. Perhaps the power of the vow made him do it. He never wanted to make that vow in the first place, if I recall correctly. |
| Goo 23.07.2005 08:51 |
He didn't HAVE to make it though. I mean, it helped him gain Belatrix's trust, but seeing as he already had the trust of Dumbledore AND Voldemort, as well as Narcissa, I don't really think that ridding himself of Belatrix's scepticism was more important than Dumbledore's life. He essentially volunteered to do it, IMO. I like the theory of Dumbledore asking him to though. |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 23.07.2005 10:00 |
geeksandgeeks wrote:Yeah, I've been moving to that theory myself. One thing is Dumbledore knew about Malfoy's mission - maybe there was something that would happen if Malfoy ended up doing it, and to stop that Snape needed to do it?FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Maybe Snape was under the Imperius Curse? Either by Voldemort or by Dumbledore himself????Can't see it, Snape is an Occlumens, he'd be strong enough to fight the Imperius Curse. I go with the Dumbledore-wanted-him-to-do-it theory. One of the things is Dumbledore finally giving Snape the DatDA job... It seems like it was to cement some kind of deal. |
| Val 23.07.2005 12:11 |
My stupid theory: Dumbledore's not dead. He fakes beeing dead, and Snape knows it (He's good in fact!!) After all, when Hagrid bring Dumbledore's body, nobody could see it, remember? Snape decided to fake kill Dumbledore for escape of the Unbreakable VOw. Ok that's stupid! |
| Forever88 23.07.2005 12:25 |
I'll spoil it for ya! The book has a cover The main character is Harry Potter He does magic The book has pages It was written by JK Rowling Da Da Dum... |
| Queenleaf 24.07.2005 10:12 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Maybe Snape was under the Imperius Curse? Either by Voldemort or by Dumbledore himself????I don't think Dumbledore would have used an illegal curse do you? |
| FreddiesGhettoTrench 24.07.2005 12:18 |
Queenleaf wrote:True... but there could be more to it if it were...FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Maybe Snape was under the Imperius Curse? Either by Voldemort or by Dumbledore himself????I don't think Dumbledore would have used an illegal curse do you? |
| Queenleaf 24.07.2005 18:30 |
FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote:mm yeahQueenleaf wrote:True... but there could be more to it if it were...FreddiesGhettoTrench wrote: Maybe Snape was under the Imperius Curse? Either by Voldemort or by Dumbledore himself????I don't think Dumbledore would have used an illegal curse do you? |
| deleted user 04.08.2005 19:58 |
Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote: Oh, and is it just me, or does anyone else think that little kids should NOT read this book until they're older...? What with the darker themes, swear words, and other things...swear words? is this a bad attemp to make us laugh? |
| inu-liger 04.08.2005 21:01 |
<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote:Perhaps :)Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote: Oh, and is it just me, or does anyone else think that little kids should NOT read this book until they're older...? What with the darker themes, swear words, and other things...swear words? is this a bad attemp to make us laugh? |
| deleted user 04.08.2005 21:29 |
Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote:C'mon I mean slut, like children dunno the words. Judging by other posts of you I mentioned that you have a way to protective opinion about what children(and even on wich age children are still children) could handle and not (like the post about the Queen tour poster from A Night At The opera featuring two nude woman)<font color=black>The Lord Of Darkness wrote:Perhaps :)Inu-Liger<h6>-a.k.a. Richard Guilbault- wrote: Oh, and is it just me, or does anyone else think that little kids should NOT read this book until they're older...? What with the darker themes, swear words, and other things...swear words? is this a bad attemp to make us laugh? |
| bassist08 05.08.2005 08:11 |
*3* Forever88 wrote: I'll spoil it for ya! The book has a cover The main character is Harry Potter He does magic The book has pages It was written by JK Rowling Da Da Dum...EEEK! You've completly ruined for me now! *goes of and pouts* J/K! I've already read it. I DO think that Dumbledore is dead. I think that J.K. did that so Harry can triumph over Voldemort by himself to prove that he's capable without anybody's help. |
| killer_queen00 05.08.2005 23:35 |
Hey everyone. I have a blog but just started chatting. A couple theories for ya (just randomly popped into my head while reading). 1. Somehow (maybe my inferi) Harry's parents will come back from the dead and Voldemort will use this to some how slow down Harry from attacking the evil people. I know people are usually like "They'll never come back from the dead," but there have been too many foreshadows in the books (my mom agrees, she's an english major). 2. Somehow Draco is under the Imperius curse. Think about how afraid he was when trying to kill Dumbledore but never could do it. Just a thought. 3. I had one of those books that dropped hints towards possibly what would happen in the sixth book. They said many times to look at Dumbledore's behavior in the fifth book. Is it me or does he act really different than usual? I wasn't surprised to see him die. 4. I agree w/ the one of the Horcruxes being the unopenable locket from the fifth book. I wonder if possibly the Malfoys have another Horcrux somewhere. They always seem to be hiding things. 5. The pensive always seems like a useful tool... if I were Harry I'd be trying to use it more often. I'm going to be re-reading the books now that I know about the Horcruxes thing and I'm going to see if there are any other signs or hints toward more. |
| Queenleaf 06.08.2005 11:13 |
bassist08 wrote:tehe, tehe. And for those who haven't read it by Now, I'm going to spoil it for you by explaining that Draco and Hermione get married. :>)*3* Forever88 wrote: I'll spoil it for ya! The book has a cover The main character is Harry Potter He does magic The book has pages It was written by JK Rowling Da Da Dum...EEEK! You've completly ruined for me now! *goes of and pouts* J/K! I've already read it. I DO think that Dumbledore is dead. I think that J.K. did that so Harry can triumph over Voldemort by himself to prove that he's capable without anybody's help. |
| Queenleaf 06.08.2005 11:15 |
killer_queen00 wrote: 5. The pensive always seems like a useful tool... if I were Harry I'd be trying to use it more often.How would he get back though, without Dumbledore? That always seemed terribley lucky to me that he was always there to pull him back - otherwise he might get stuck in an endless stream of memories. That would suck! |
| dragonzflame 06.08.2005 21:40 |
No - he'd come back when the memory ended. All that's in the Pensieve is the memory/ies that have been put there. Once they'd all been exhausted he'd be brought back, like when he watched the memory in RIddle's diary. |
| Queenleaf 06.08.2005 22:30 |
yeah but that's a lot of memories to get through! |