| KEVPAR 02.06.2005 06:07 |
With the announcement that Franke has left The Darkness citing 'musical differences' what is your view of The Darkness as a band? Are they defining a new kind of retro genre? or are they a joke which has now inevitably worn thin? They are certainly over due a new album?! the traditionally 'difficult second album' after such a successful first? what do you think? Kev x |
| Sonja 02.06.2005 06:31 |
I liked the album at first but got bored very quickly and now I actually tend to forget that I have it unless someone reminds me that there's a band called The Darkness. Maybe they were just lucky but there's loads of better music out there. I just don't care too much about them.. And they are certainly not defining a new kind of anything. Everything they do has been done before. |
| Hitman 02.06.2005 06:39 |
though i don't think bands must create something new in music i have never taken too seriously "the darkness"...and they are a bit prisoners of their clichè |
| rachael mae. 02.06.2005 06:40 |
I quite like them.. I sometimes listen to their music... :) |
| The Mir@cle 02.06.2005 07:08 |
Well... I don't know the future plans of the Darkness... But I quite liked their Rock 'n Roll kind of style. I hope they'll not lose that. In fact, they are the only "young" band in that genre at the moment. Never mind. I think they need to have a stronger own identity. Maybe they are too much a copy of... |
| GreatKingSam 02.06.2005 07:11 |
...Queen? Try Thin Lizzy, Led Zeppelin - plenty of bands. And a copy? More fans of making the kind of music they like. People talk about The Darkness being a joke band, if so - why take them so seriously then? In honesty, it's just like when people jumped on the "I hate Paul Rodgers/Queen shouldn't tour/poor Freddie r.i.p." bandwagon. People criticise The Darkness becuase it seems to be the done thing. In honesty, they're actually pretty good. Live are amazing. They write catchy tunes, good rock n roll - the sort of the the charts need, none of that lifeless Rooster and McFly crap. |
| Sonja 02.06.2005 07:47 |
Yeah, it's what the charts need but the charts suck. |
| Fenderek 02.06.2005 08:03 |
There was some beautiful guitar work on that album- some tracks sounded even like AC/DC, Aerosmith or Queen... Which is good- if the music like this gets airplay- that's better than fuckin' Keane, Franz Ferdinand or other Charts crap or whinny, pseudo-arty Coldplay stuff... All those bands sound the same anyway and have no balls whatsoever... BUT- the vocal parts... This IS the joke that wore thin. It could have worked once. It's not gonna work again. Oh- and please- this Christmas song was just too much Spinal Tap for me- absolutely awful... However- overall- it's good when guitar oriented music (riffs and all) becomes popular, nothing's wrong with that. Doesn't happen too often... |
| GreatKingSam 02.06.2005 08:10 |
You're spot on there. They're what we need, but are not the best, yet still pretty good. It's all about Muse, the Foo's etc. I feel that these sort of bands are the only ones who do something different, do it their own way. Those people you mentioned, Coldplay, Keane, Franz Ferdinand - what's the point? Boring artists where each track sounds the same. Monotonous. Particularly Coldplay. And it makes me cringe when people refer to them as a band and Chris Martin as a musician as "rock and roll". Bollocks are they. Franz Ferdinand are boring, same as the Kaizer Chiefs, and Future Heads etc etc the list goes on... |
| brENsKi 02.06.2005 12:58 |
so they were a joke? i didn't find them funny just a poor copy of so many different 70s bands sweet glitter purple rainbow led zep and our very own queen if anyone thinks "throwing every rock influence you can think of" into one album is a way of creating a new style, then they'll love the new oasis album this kinda stuff is (imo) lazy and quite frankly .....SHITE!!! |
| Sonja 02.06.2005 13:11 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote: so they were a joke? i didn't find them funny just a poor copy of so many different 70s bands sweet glitter purple rainbow led zep and our very own queen if anyone thinks "throwing every rock influence you can think of" into one album is a way of creating a new style, then they'll love the new oasis album this kinda stuff is (imo) lazy and quite frankly .....SHITE!!!I haven't heard one good thing about the new Oasis... my friend said if you have all the other albums you certainly dont need the new one cos it's all the same. But speaking of The Darkness, I sent a copy of their album to a friend of mine and he thought it was Def Leppard. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 02.06.2005 13:34 |
Weren't people labelling Queen as copying Led Zep back in the early days... You people really should know better. The Darkness are great. |
| brENsKi 02.06.2005 13:57 |
Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach wrote: Weren't people labelling Queen as copying Led Zep back in the early days... You people really should know better. The Darkness are great.when i first heard them, i unaffectionately referred to them as "the dankness", and i still stick by this there's a huge difeerence between "inspirational influences" and blatant copying - the dankness are (at best) a tribute band and at the worse end of their repetoire a "stars in their eyes" attempt gone horribly wrong |
| Sonja 02.06.2005 14:03 |
<B><font color=#ff7f00>Brenski</B> wrote:LOLSir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach wrote: Weren't people labelling Queen as copying Led Zep back in the early days... You people really should know better. The Darkness are great.when i first heard them, i unaffectionately referred to them as "the dankness", and i still stick by this there's a huge difeerence between "inspirational influences" and blatant copying - the dankness are (at best) a tribute band and at the worse end of their repetoire a "stars in their eyes" attempt gone horribly wrong agreed! |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 02.06.2005 14:07 |
I love The Darkness, but they've taken way too long to release their second album! Interest is beginning to die down about them and it was supposed to be released already... |
| GreatKingSam 02.06.2005 14:14 |
"...supposed to be released..." is very different to "...rumoured to be released..." The Darkness have never said it was gonna be released at any specific time, except hopefully this year. |
| deleted user 02.06.2005 16:30 |
I'm their lord. |
| David Jones 02.06.2005 16:34 |
Not a Darkness fan at all, but I think that novelty factor that attracted people to them has worn off. There probably listening to real rock bands now. |
| Adam Baboolal 02.06.2005 17:28 |
Garbage have been around for 10 years and have released 4 albums. There's no release time that needs to be met. I always dislike when people think it's been too long since so and so released their last album, what's taking so long, etc. etc. I was never into The Darkness, but I was interested in what they were up to and where they'd be in 5 years. So, I guess I am still wondering what they're up to. And yes, the singing style can wear thin. I remember them before they were famous. I watched a late night show on BBC Horizons called "Roadies" and the darkness were on it. I really hated the singing, then. I have since grown to accept it. But sometimes I wish for a full voice to burst out at certain moments. Ach well... Peace, Adam. |
| deleted user 03.06.2005 09:20 |
I like The Darkness, but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are a top fave band of mine. |
| Mr.Jingles 03.06.2005 09:33 |
Fenderek wrote: There was some beautiful guitar work on that album- some tracks sounded even like AC/DC, Aerosmith or Queen... Which is good- if the music like this gets airplay- that's better than fuckin' Keane, Franz Ferdinand or other Charts crap or whinny, pseudo-arty Coldplay stuff... All those bands sound the same anyway and have no balls whatsoever... BUT- the vocal parts... This IS the joke that wore thin. It could have worked once. It's not gonna work again. Oh- and please- this Christmas song was just too much Spinal Tap for me- absolutely awful... However- overall- it's good when guitar oriented music (riffs and all) becomes popular, nothing's wrong with that. Doesn't happen too often...The difference between The Darkness and bands like Franz Ferdinand, Jet, Keane, or Muse is that these latest bands mentioned show their musical influence on their work, but at least make the effort to re-invent it and give it an sense of originality. The Darkness does nothing but carbon-copy every single cliche and riff from 70s & 80s bands like Queen or AC/DC, without even trying to bring any original sounds. It's all a matter of taste, there's some people who appreciate originality and others who don't mind being sold the same product over and over again. |
| Fenderek 03.06.2005 09:35 |
Jingles- what's original with Franz Ferdinand...? Tell me- I may have missed something... |
| Mr.Jingles 03.06.2005 09:36 |
Mention me one single band that sounds exactly like Franz Ferdinand. I can see that they're influenced by The Kinks, but for the most part they do their own thing. |
| The Fairy King 03.06.2005 09:38 |
Partybands with catchy songs and funny image are ok in my book!! Don't care about the copying...if they're fun ;)! I think the whole "The ...." band thing is really old though, like two years ago and who started the whole thing again anyway? The Vines? The Strokes? The Hives? (the singer is just a Mick Jagger-wannabe) The Killers? The Rasmus? The White Stripes? The Music? The Darkness? |
| Fenderek 03.06.2005 09:45 |
New York Dolls? Structure is the same. C'mon- the Darkness DOESN'T sound EXACTLY like AC/DC or Queen either. It's nothing new, true. But so isn't Franz. That's just MO. |
| Adam Baboolal 03.06.2005 09:51 |
I agree with you on that Fenderek. Franz Ferdinand are nothing new. They haven't re-invented anything. Peace, Adam. |
| Mr.Jingles 03.06.2005 10:13 |
The New York Dolls was a punk band, and Franz Ferdinand can't certainly be labeled as punk. Just admit it Fenderek, you're one of those who doesn't appreciate rock bands bringing new sounds and would rather listen the same kind of music over and over again. Not like there's anything wrong with that, because I know a lot of people who do, but in order for artists to grow they have to bring new styles, and cross over to new musical grounds. It's a tough situation because when it comes to changing sounds there's too many risks, and that's when bands get their talent put to the ultimate test. Some will stay afloat and others will sink. Dream Theater has been playing the same music for over 10 years. I have to admit that they have a lot of talent, but they're one of those bands that is definitely afraid to change in order to not dissapoint their loyal cult fan base. They might not be losing by staying where they are, but they're not gaining anything either. On the other hand Queen and Genesis managed to remain successful despite changing their sound. Most people will say that their old stuff was their best, but I certainly appreciate that they didn't want to sell the same kind of sound on every single album. |
| iGSM 03.06.2005 10:34 |
Everytime I've gone to listen to them there's either a blackout or a thunderstorm or dinosaurs on the loose. I've been told they are good though. |
| Fenderek 03.06.2005 11:09 |
Oh Jingles, Jingles... "Just admit it Fenderek, you're one of those who doesn't appreciate rock bands bringing new sounds and would rather listen the same kind of music over and over again" Bollocks. Find me any other band that sounds like System Of A Down... And I absolutely love them. The punk thing... Sex Pistols was punk but so was labelled many other bands 2-3 years later. Anyway- did NY Dolls sound anything like Sex Pistols? Not really. Franz Ferdinand ISN'Ta punk band, but took a lot from that music, taken into the larger picture. Now- saying that Dream Theater sounds exactly the same for 10 years (actually it's 15) shows your ignorance- admit, you've heard no more than few tracks... There's nothing wrong with that- fine! But don't say anything about their music if you don't know it... Just admit it, Jingles, you're one of those who justify their taste with the talk about "new and fresh" and "influential". There's nothing fresh about FF In My Opinion. You may like it (and that's good!), but it's something we also heard over and over again one way or another. I like when there's something fresh and new, but it also HAS TO BE GOOD. If for you the fact that something is "different" and "new" is enough... well, there you go, I'm sure there's shit loads of bands on charts at the moment to your liking. I prefer something GOOD. Couldn't care less if it's fresh or stale- if it's good, it's just simply good. IMO Franz Ferdinand are crap. And not because it's different (it's not), but simply because thay are BORING. |
| bitesthedust 03.06.2005 13:11 |
<font color =#CC00FF>***Marial-B*** wrote: Since you're talking about these bands... I have to mentioned "Kings of Leon", they're great... and they have like the sense of style of the 60's-early 70's :Dsomeone else likes Kings Of Leon...I'm just getting into them myself ! We have so much in common Marial-B !!! LOL |
| Mr.Jingles 03.06.2005 14:13 |
Fenderek wrote: Franz Ferdinand ISN'Ta punk band, but took a lot from that music, taken into the larger picture.You just said it yourself. As far as I'm concerned, every single rock band that deserves respect has taken things from other bands & artists to be re-invented in such a way that they can have a sound that they can call their own. That's something that has happened with these bands: - Metallica mainly influenced by Motorhead - Nirvana mainly influenced by Meat Puppets - No Doubt mainly influenced by Madness - Green Day mainly influenced by The Clash Somehow these bands have managed to make themselves more successful than their influences because they have taken their sound and as you mentioned taken it into a larger picture. The reason why I despise The Darkness is because they are taking the exact same elements from other bands and not doing anything new with it. |
| deleted user 03.06.2005 14:29 |
I like The Darkness. Especially 6 of thier tracks. It's one of the few good bands out at the moment, in my opinion. Most of the music at the moment tends to be utter shit. The Darkness are a great band but would have been more successful back in the 70's. |
| brENsKi 03.06.2005 14:33 |
<font color=orange>Mr Brittas</bold> wrote: I like The Darkness. Especially 6 of thier tracks. It's one of the few good bands out at the moment, in my opinion. Most of the music at the moment tends to be utter shit. The Darkness are a great band but would have been more successful back in the 70's.i don't hink they WOULD have been more successful back in the 70s. i think they would have struggled to have any kind of chart success...the reason? queen, led zep, sweet, glitter, slade, ufo, deep purple and in the late 70s - rainbow, gillan, leppard, saxon etc the only reason the Dankness are big-ish now is the 70s style is vogue again and they are one of a few doing it |
| dragonzflame 04.06.2005 00:35 |
The Darkness are good fun and it's a good CD to have on at a party but it's not something I listen to often. They have their moments but I think they need to try and do something different if they want any staying power. |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 04.06.2005 07:07 |
'when i first heard them, i unaffectionately referred to them as "the dankness", and i still stick by this' And there I was thinking the Queenzone 'audience' had found themselves the next great satirist... You'll be telling me next John Wayne was a good actor! |
| brENsKi 04.06.2005 08:18 |
Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach wrote: 'when i first heard them, i unaffectionately referred to them as "the dankness", and i still stick by this' And there I was thinking the Queenzone 'audience' had found themselves the next great satirist... You'll be telling me next John Wayne was a good actor!john wayne was a hero - he managed to make six films during his eight year battle with cancer - the motivation to carry on working or doing what you do, when you knnow you're dying is something to be admired watch the shootist and tell me you still don't think he could act |
| Fenderek 05.06.2005 08:29 |
Mr.Jingles79 wrote: As far as I'm concerned, every single rock band that deserves respect has taken things from other bands & artists to be re-invented in such a way that they can have a sound that they can call their own. That's something that has happened with these bands: - Metallica mainly influenced by Motorhead - Nirvana mainly influenced by Meat Puppets - No Doubt mainly influenced by Madness - Green Day mainly influenced by The Clash Somehow these bands have managed to make themselves more successful than their influences because they have taken their sound and as you mentioned taken it into a larger picture. The reason why I despise The Darkness is because they are taking the exact same elements from other bands and not doing anything new with it.Fair opint; I wasn't defending Darkness- I liked few of their tracks but I guess I wouldn't even want to see them live. All I was against was amking all those bands like FF "fresh" and "new". Anyway- my bet is in 10 years time nno-one is going to remember them. The bands you've mentioned are gonna be remembered for a long time. And that's the thing- if it's good- it will last. If it's not... Well, Darkness can't even do the second album... |
| Ray D O'Gaga 05.06.2005 13:51 |
I understand many dentists are replacing novacane with Coldplay. They certainly leave me feeling numb and drowsy. |
| GreatKingSam 05.06.2005 14:02 |
Jesus, Coldplay - monotonous, boring, same old same old on every song. Franz Ferdinand - there's a band who may be something "new", but all the songs are VERY similar in structure and format which is boring as hell, and very dissapointing, and now the Future Heads have come along - it's like with Busted and McFly... there's a market for this genre, let's get a band that does the same and rinse it. To be fair, The Darkness lads may have "copied" (I prefer "borrowed") from their influences, but who else around is like them? No one. |
| brENsKi 05.06.2005 14:14 |
GreatKingSam wrote: Jesus, Coldplay - monotonous, boring, same old same old on every song. To be fair, The Darkness lads may have "copied" (I prefer "borrowed") from their influences, but who else around is like them? No one.no one. they are to rock music, what Hot Space is to Queen in America |
| Fraz 05.06.2005 14:44 |
they are fantstic and can't wait till the next album!! |
| Cwazy little thing 05.06.2005 14:55 |
Everyone gets so caught up in this business of being "different"; I really dont see why? Theres no point being different for the sake of being different, which is all FF etc are trying to do. The Darkness play the music they like, and in style which pays homages to a certain era, but their almost certainly some of the best musicians and performers outthere right now. Its all about fun - Id expect Queen fans to get that! Its not a joke, but its far from serious. Its good fun music, with blistering guitar parts, and, thanks in part to the singing, you cant mistake anyone for the Darkness, or mistake the Darkness for anyone else - therefore theres no copying worth mentioning. If they sounded exactly like someone else, Id agree. But they dont. Second album should be great - the new tracks played live at christmas sounded pretty good. (theres another thing - live band second only to QPR at the moment; total entertainment, and ROCK!) |
| Queen& 05.06.2005 16:13 |
KEVPAR wrote: With the announcement that Franke has left The Darkness citing 'musical differences' what is your view of The Darkness as a band? Are they defining a new kind of retro genre? or are they a joke which has now inevitably worn thin? They are certainly over due a new album?! the traditionally 'difficult second album' after such a successful first? what do you think? Is This The Bass Player Of The Darkness If So He Might Have Left To BE Queens New Bassist Kev x |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 06.06.2005 16:15 |
Just watched 'The Shootist'. I was right. |
| brENsKi 06.06.2005 17:42 |
Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach wrote: Just watched 'The Shootist'. I was right.in your opinion you were right but that just goes to show how ignorant you can be it's a fine film with a good cast and some nice cameos...did you know that so many actors "asked" to be in that film? Lauren Bacall and James Stewart...plus a couple of others said they'd even "just play cards in the saloon scene just to be in it" it was a poignant and special film, made by a true professional |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 07.06.2005 13:21 |
A truly professional ham old boy. He couldn't act his way out of a dress...allegedly. |
| brENsKi 07.06.2005 14:57 |
Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach wrote: A truly professional ham old boy. He couldn't act his way out of a dress...allegedly....and you're just being a tw*t ho-hum - some things are always meant to stay the same (there's no repsonse to this that disproves any kind of "Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach is a tw*t status") |
| doremi 07.06.2005 15:08 |
Ray D O'Gaga wrote: I understand many dentists are replacing novacane with Coldplay. They certainly leave me feeling numb and drowsy.I have a dentist appointment next week. I will keep this in mind when he turns on the radio! LOL! |
| brENsKi 07.06.2005 17:26 |
Arlene R. Weiss wrote:where were you when i was fighting the John wayne cause earlier?Ray D O'Gaga wrote: I understand many dentists are replacing novacane with Coldplay. They certainly leave me feeling numb and drowsy.I have a dentist appointment next week. I will keep this in mind when he turns on the radio! LOL! |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 08.06.2005 14:15 |
There ain't no defending John Wayne. He's piss poor. |
| brENsKi 08.06.2005 14:30 |
Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach wrote: There ain't no defending John Wayne. He's piss poor.pray tell, oh great oracle of acting ability...who would you cite as being your "great actors"? |
| Sir Archie 'Tiffany' Leach 08.06.2005 18:59 |
I would put Chuck Norris, Steven Seagal and Dolph Ludgren ahead of John Wayne. Even if he was wearing mascara. Please address me with capital letters if you don't mind. |