| Gillian 30.05.2005 12:35 |
Take a look at the following link: link for Sheffield gig. The seller sais: "This concert at Sheffield was the one chosen to be recorded for a DVD of the tour to be released in September, so the band members AND the sell-out audience ensured it was a concert to remember, and believe me... it was - I was there stood right next to the stage and catwalk!" Item sold by andrews1977football... What else can I say? It's a shame to see this kind item for sale out on e-bay... Don't you think they should have (and apply) stricted rules againgst bootlegs? What do you think? Cheers, Linda. |
| Ray D O'Gaga 30.05.2005 13:39 |
Squeal on him. |
| Headlong24 30.05.2005 16:10 |
People get so excited about theses things, I mean It's only a bloody bootleg Freddie Mercury 1982 |
| Hitman 31.05.2005 07:31 |
the funk black album...blah blah but we didn't lose our rock'n roll feeling ok? this is called...Staying...Power... lots of people get money from bootlegs! |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 12:19 |
I've just come across another item on eBay, selling exactly the same thing with exactly the same description by a different eBayer!! Here is the link: link In fact... I'll tell you the truth... the person selling that is ME! So Gillian, stop moaning - I paid £90 for my ticket off eBay to enable me to go see Queen+PR at Sheffield. If ticket touts can make twice the ticket value on eBay, then why the hell can't I get my ticket price back selling a bootleg of the concert?? I, or the other bloke who's knicked my description of the concert ("This concert at Sheffield was the one chosen to be recorded for a DVD of the tour" - yes, that's mine), are doing no harm in selling this, and if you're telling me that you wouldn't buy a bootleg of a concert that you'd been to, then you're bullshitting. Besides, the money that I've made off this bootleg and also off photographs of the concert that I've been selling on eBay is only going to be used to purchase my concert ticket, train ticket and accomodation for the Hyde Park concert anyway - what's so wrong with that? I look forward to your reply Gillian, or anyone else who wishes to slate me for doing this! Have a nice day! |
| pirrakitas 01.06.2005 12:34 |
Let's put it this way. It is far easier for me to pay 20 or 30 euros for the Vienna DVD (offers anyone?) if I see it on ebay than figure out what to offer to a trader, when all that I have it is also owned by such trader. So personally I am not against ebay sales, but I understand that many people are. |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 13:45 |
Brettles wrote: I've just come across another item on eBay, selling exactly the same thing with exactly the same description by a different eBayer!! Here is the link: link In fact... I'll tell you the truth... the person selling that is ME! So Gillian, stop moaning - I paid £90 for my ticket off eBay to enable me to go see Queen+PR at Sheffield. If ticket touts can make twice the ticket value on eBay, then why the hell can't I get my ticket price back selling a bootleg of the concert?? I, or the other bloke who's knicked my description of the concert ("This concert at Sheffield was the one chosen to be recorded for a DVD of the tour" - yes, that's mine), are doing no harm in selling this, and if you're telling me that you wouldn't buy a bootleg of a concert that you'd been to, then you're bullshitting. Besides, the money that I've made off this bootleg and also off photographs of the concert that I've been selling on eBay is only going to be used to purchase my concert ticket, train ticket and accomodation for the Hyde Park concert anyway - what's so wrong with that? I look forward to your reply Gillian, or anyone else who wishes to slate me for doing this! Have a nice day!I'd love to slate you, but it so hard to slate the lowest of the low, it's like slating garbage when you already know it's worthless. |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2005 14:32 |
Brettles - Your scam is based on taking advatage of the ignorance and generosity of others. You take a concert that you downloaded for free, and sell it for an inflated price. How does this differ from ticket touts? Concert tickets are not usually available for free, but bootlegs are usually available for free via download. So, how does it feel to be sleazier than a ticket tout? |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 14:34 |
"I'd love to slate you, but it so hard to slate the lowest of the low, it's like slating garbage when you already know it's worthless." Excuse me Sir, but who the hell are you to call me 'the lowest of the low' and 'worthless' - what gives you the right? Do you have any? Do you know me? For your information, I am a 17 year old student studying for my A-levels. When I found out that Queen+PR were touring, I couldn't give up the opportunity to go and see them. Unfortunately, by the time I rang the arena up to try and purchase tickets, they had already sold out. So my only option was to pay far above the origional asking price on eBay. As you can probably imagine, £90 for a student is a hell of a lot of money, but it was worth it. After going to the concert at Sheffield, I decided to try and get to Hyde Park if I could get the necessary funds together. Living in Yorkshire, it was going to be quite a struggle alone to even get down London for a low cost. When I realised that I could raise some of the funds using eBay, I set about doing it. I haven't done it to be greedy, haven't done it to con people out of their money. I have done it simply so I can go and see the band I love once more. Now if you can tell me what I have done wrong by doing this, then please set about doing so. But DON'T set about calling me vicious names like you just have done so without good cause and intention, as really, you are narrow-minded for coming into this topic, throwing abuse at me, without any real knowledge of me. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 14:40 |
Rip Van Winkle, Again, for the narrow-minded arseholes who make comment without really looking or asking for the facts, I didn't download the bootleg for free. I myself used my (Quote from you) "ignorance and generosity" to purchase the bootleg CD off eBay. Also, since I've made just short of £100 out of this 'scam', I haven't even touched the funds needed to get down London to see Queen+PR. This will barely cover my concert and train ticket, never mind the over-priced accomodation in London. I don't know if you recognise this, but it's hardly in the same league as to the money ticket touts make on eBay, often making £100's profit on each transaction for sought after tickets. So to call me sleazier than a ticket tout would be a bit of an over-statement don't you think? I do. |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2005 15:10 |
So not only are you sleazy, you are stupid enough to pay for a concert off e-bay that has been available for free download (see link). link Obviously, you know about Queenzone, so I do not see why you originally bought Sheffield instead of downloading it. You think it is ok to take advantage the generosity of those who donate concerts for free download? You think that taking advantage of the ignorance of others by price-gouging them for something that is available for free? I know in the big scheme of things that this scam is not a mortal sin, but you cannot tell me that your scam is a legitimate, upstanding enterprise. I still think you are sleazier than a ticket tout, although on a smaller scale. I must admit, you have courage to come to Queenzone and try to defend your actions. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 15:23 |
Rip Van Winkle, Of course I am going to defend my actions against you. I have every right to. I think one point you're missing is that I did actually buy the CD off eBay because I wanted a lasting memory of the amazing concert I had experienced. I didn't buy the CD with the intention of selling it on. Fair enough, maybe I am taking advantage of peoples ignorance by selling this on eBay, but with the amount of money I have spent on eBay for overpriced items including tickets and concert bootlegs, photographs of concerts and the likes, my concience is clear. As I have previously stated, my intentions are not unmoral or unethical, my intentions are simply to make enough money to get me down London to see the Hyde Park concert. After all, I am not forcing these fanatical Queen-ies and eBayers to buy my item am I? They are simply buying it because they want a memory of the concert, just as I did. I simply used my brain to realise that I could use eBay to my advantage. So on the whole you think I am a wrongdoer by taking part in the big scam that is eBay. Do you really think I would begrudge myself going to see the best live band ever (maybe me being biased) once more, simply because of your comments? Me... I don't think so somehow. |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2005 16:02 |
Brettles - How many concerts have you downloaded off of Queenzone? Are you going to sell those concerts on e-bay as well? When you ship Sheffield to the winning bidder, are you going to tell him that he could have downloaded the concert for free? Are you going to apologize to Pokkeboot for making money off a concert that he generously downloaded for free (the same version you bought)? |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:07 |
Excuse me Sir, but who the hell are you to call me 'the lowest of the low' and 'worthless' - what gives you the right? Do you have any? Do you know me? No, I dont know you, but from what you are saying, my comment and opinoin of you seem to be correct. hey why argue? why dont you just ask the band what they think? Lets see if they agree that no one FORCED you to go to this show, you went, so you paid what the going rate is to go, that does not give you the right to sell a bootleg of the show. A even better Idea, why not state in your ebay, you can d/l this wonderfull show for free, or just buy the CD from you? sounds like a great Idea. |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:09 |
I think we should make a user name and sell these on ebay, 1,000 of them, for 50 cents each show. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:15 |
Rip Van Winkle, As regards Question #1 from you, I haven't downlaoded any concerts off Queenzone. To be totally honest, I didn't know this facility was available, but if I did download any, I wouldn't sell them on eBay. This wouldn't be fair on the person that has placed it to be downloaded for free. However, as regards your point made about apologising to the gentleman/ladie who placed this for free download; no, I will not apologise, because I was as gullable as the rest of the people buying my items on eBay, in that I purchased the CD myself off someone else. Therefore, it is not me been the 'unmoral' one, it is the origional person selling this CD that should apologise, if there needs to be one. A point that I should make is how the hell do you know that this person selling them prior to me on eBay didn't actually record the concert him/herself?? There you are again Mr.Winkle - making pre-assumptions. I look forward to your response. |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:16 |
But DON'T set about calling me vicious names like you just have done so without good cause and intention, as really, you are narrow-minded for coming into this topic, throwing abuse at me, without any real knowledge of me Me Narrow minded? I think you are the new one that came here and tried to defend your self when there is a certain moral codes most of us here follow, without us, you would not be making any money, becuase this page is the place that gave that concert for FREE. So who's narrow-minded? |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:20 |
wstussyb, I didn't know that I needed rights to sell this CD on eBay... however... I'm sure you will try and prove me wrong. And as for the Queen+PR band members, I'm sure that if you read their website, you would find that they actively support bootlegs, and even have a list of the top 100!! They see it as a way to allow fans to listen to the concerts that were never officially recorded. As for your comment about stating on eBay that you could download this product for free... well... what would the purpose of that be?? If I did that ther'd be no chance of me going to Hyde Park would there?? Regards, Brettles. |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:22 |
They Support the act of "Trading" bootlegs, not really sure what the Op about downloading for free..not selling I'm sure some one else can make the claim that Ebay does not allow bootleg selling, and many auctions have been shut becuase of that. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:23 |
Again, I seem to feel the need to re-alliterate to you the point I made previously about me not MAKING money out of this so-called scam... I am simply doing it to enable me to go to the Hyde Park concert. Is there really anything wrong with that?? I thought all you die-hard Queen fans would realise the need to ensure that you get to a once in a lifetime concert. Obviously, I was wrong. |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 16:25 |
ok, plain and simple, your lowest of the low, worthless, a cheap cheating bastard whos way of life is scamming people into buying bootlegs you downloaded for absolutly nothing! so in FIVE bullet points you are:- -LOWEST OF THE LOW -WORTHLESS TOSSER -CHEATING BASTARD -LOW DOWN SCAMMING BASTARD -In my opinion, GAY! HA HA! |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:25 |
Well... If you look at the amount of bootlegs on sale just for Queen concerts alone on eBay, you will probably see there are far to many people wanting to purchase them, and far too many listings on eBay for the company to control its rules and regulations on what you can and can't sell. |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:31 |
Brettles wrote: Again, I seem to feel the need to re-alliterate to you the point I made previously about me not MAKING money out of this so-called scam... I am simply doing it to enable me to go to the Hyde Park concert. Is there really anything wrong with that?? I thought all you die-hard Queen fans would realise the need to ensure that you get to a once in a lifetime concert. Obviously, I was wrong.Nothing in life is fair. There is probley Thousands of die hard fans who would give to even see any show of this tour but cannot due to location and money. The fact is, you are making money out of this, money to go see another show, you are making money from people who are Un-aware that they can get this product for free, and that it was supposed to be free, thats why it was put on the internet, so every one can enjoy this free, while yes it was a shame that you paid some one for this when you in fact should have gotten this for free, but all you are doing now is lowering youself to that guys level. Honestly, I would like to see if any one here would agree with you, there is over 5,000 registered users. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:33 |
taylorgagababakaka.... Ok... how can you justify the names you've just described me as?? Worthless?? How the fucking hell do you know that?? How the fucking hell can you describe as worthless just because I am making a profit out of a fucking CD? Eh? Also, my way of life?? How do you know what my way of life is?? Do you honestly think I sit at this computer 24/7 selling CDs on eBay?? Now who's the narrow-minded one?? Again, 'worthless tosser'...'low down scamming bastard'...these are all pre-assumptions of a bloke you don't even know mate. You need to re-assess your social skills and how you speak to people. And as for 'gay'...I'd love to know why you think that. Saying that, since you know what such a knob head and cheating bastard I am, you probably know by now my house address, mobile phone number, hair colour, mother's maiden name... need I say more?? Pre-assumptions; you guys make too many. |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2005 16:35 |
wstüssyb wrote: why dont you just ask the band what they think? Lets see if they agree that no one FORCED you to go to this show, you went, so you paid what the going rate is to go, that does not give you the right to sell a bootleg of the show. A even better Idea, why not state in your ebay, you can d/l this wonderfull show for free, or just buy the CD from you? sounds like a great Idea.Brettles - I would be interested in your comments on the above statements / questions by Stussy. If I knew someone who stole some Queen tickets from a mutual acquaintance, and he sold them to me, it would be acceptable for me to resell those tickets because I was not the person who originally stole the tickets? I think I understand now. LOL I am not sure if I will participate any more in this little debate, as there is only so many times that I can repeat myself. Please make sure you put a disclaimer in your e-bay sales in the future, stating that they can buy the concert from you rather than download it for free from Queenzone |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:35 |
taylorgaga (Begg) wrote: ok, plain and simple, your lowest of the low, worthless, a cheap cheating bastard whos way of life is scamming people into buying bootlegs you downloaded for absolutly nothing! so in FIVE bullet points you are:- -LOWEST OF THE LOW -WORTHLESS TOSSER -CHEATING BASTARD -LOW DOWN SCAMMING BASTARD -In my opinion, GAY! HA HA!Gay? is that supposed to be a bad thing? |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:36 |
wstussyb, Again, you're not understanding what I'm trying to say... I am not forcing people to buy the CD am I?? If they want it, they will buy it. Simple. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:38 |
was there a slight element of you sticking up for me there wstussyb?? Saying that... and pigs might fly... |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2005 16:39 |
People that particpate in pyramid schemes are not forced to participate either. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:40 |
Rip Van Winkle, The scenario you've just painted it taking this topic totally off course. I have NOT pinched the bootleg off anyone - I bought it legally off eBay myself. I then simply came up with the idea to sell this on and make a profit to buy a ticket with. I did not physically go into someones house and pinch this CD. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:42 |
But they still choose to do it Rip Van Winkle. It is their choice to do it, THEIR choice, not mine, not anyones. Just like it was my choice to purchase the CD origionally from eBay. My choice! |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:42 |
Brettles wrote: was there a slight element of you sticking up for me there wstussyb?? Saying that... and pigs might fly...Maybe, I enjoy dencent coverstaions even when not I dont agree with people, so far you have shown you can carry on without posting stuff like that post...And I'd like to know why "Being Gay" is supposed to be bad in some way? |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:45 |
wstussyb, I would prefer to discuss this in a civilised matter, and I am listening to everyone's views on the matter, even if I don't particularly agree with them. Oh, and whoever said the point you are making about 'being gay' ?? I simply made a point about being annoyed at how some people in this discussion have a tendancy to keep making pre-assumptions about people, when really there is no need to. Stuff like that really annoys me. |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 16:47 |
erm, im not saying being gay is bad, that one was thrown in as a joke hence the HA HA, the rest of them i thoguht of cos in my opinion, anyone who tries to sell bottlegs (which is illegal) is a low down scamming bastard, and is a low life worthless tosser, there iv explained my "assumptions" |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2005 16:50 |
Pyramid schemes are illegal, but people still choose to participate in them. They enjoy themselves but they are still cheated. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:51 |
Exactly, taylorgaga... It is your opinion, your pre-assumption of me, and other sellers of bootlegs. Yes, you have your right to opinion, but is there really such a need to express it in such a way which can really offend people?? |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 16:52 |
yes |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:52 |
Rip Van Winkle... It is obvious that you have now run out of 'steam' on the matter, since you are trying to change the topic in hand to pyramid schemes. Is it time to rest your case?? |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:54 |
But why taylorgaga; why? Do you really feel the need to express your opinions and beliefs in such a pig-headed and un-social manner? I really can't see the need... Can you, if you sit back and be honest with yourself?? |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 16:55 |
nope |
| wstüssyb 01.06.2005 16:56 |
I would talk more, but I prefer to see some other people join in the converstaion. As we will just be saying basically the same thing over and over. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:56 |
You're not playing now are you taylorgaga?? I think you, same as Mr.Winkle or whatever his name is, have run out of steam on the matter, and have nothing else to say... Am I right?? |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 16:57 |
nope |
| Saint Jiub 01.06.2005 16:58 |
I can see that you are analogy impaired. So maybe I better rest my case. Are you going to add that "free" disclaimer for your e-bay sales? Good thing you have gaga to change the subject ... |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 16:59 |
Is it time to leave this be then?? I think same as wstussyb (sorry if mis-spelt - really can't be arsed to keep looking back now) has stated, more people needed to be brought into the conversation. Especially as a majority of the people in this are (in my opinion) pretty arrogant, and refuse to take on board my opinion on matters, and just write it off. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 17:01 |
No Winkle, I don't think I'll add the 'disclaimer' to my 'sales'... It would really get to my concience if I knew I was directing people to Queenzone, many of which would then get talking to the likes of you. Sorry if that offends you, but it really was needed to be said. And besides, if I added the disclaimer, that would in turn decrease my sales, and we all know that I've still got a fair way to go until I reach my target funds for Hyde Park =) |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 17:03 |
your point? |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 17:04 |
My point on what, taylorgaga? |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 17:05 |
that |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 17:06 |
My point on what though? You don't explain yourself very well do you?? |
| Penetration_Guru 01.06.2005 17:21 |
High praise from a child who doesn't know the difference between "iterate" and "alliterate" (see bottom of page 1). Right, twatface, my turn. 1. You're in breach of copyright. That's illegal and the more you huff and puff about it on here, the more chance there is of enough people reporting you to ebay and getting you shut down. 2. Wanting to go to Hyde Park is no excuse. That's just selfish. If you can't afford it, don't go. Does your 6th form close on Fridays or are you bunking off? ------------------- On a related note, I've been in email discussion with the guy originally referred to, and he's claiming that he has the full Sheffield concert. He even sent me the tracklisting. It was the tracklisting of Munich, but at least it was a tracklisting. I'm thinking of getting a bit shitty with him for not having the cojones to be honest. |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 17:25 |
no i do explain myself fully im just deliperatly being a obnoxious wart towards you until you admit you are breaking the law and are a low down charting scamming bastard! so to answer your question,... Yep |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 17:28 |
Well one spelling error isn't bad considering this discussion is 3-pages long and I've answered every fucking query is it mate?? Fair do's as regards your 'in breach of copyright' if this is correct, but who actually has the copyright on this bootleg?? Oh, and college, yes, I am 'bunking off' - one day won't hurt. Only the same as you pulling a sickie from work if you desperately wanted to go, isn't it... Oh, and why is it selfish to want to go to a concert?? I'd love you to answer that one. |
| Penetration_Guru 01.06.2005 17:28 |
And another thing - if you're so skint....quit buying shit on ebay....signed Ken Dodd memorabilia? Crappy wristbands that don't contribute to the cause involved? Time to start growing up. |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 17:29 |
taylorgaga, As if I'm gonna admit that I'm a "low down charting scamming bastard"... |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 17:32 |
The livestrong wristband I bought was an authentic item, therefore the heartless bastard who put this on eBay would have had to buy it in the first place, hence making a donation to the cause involved (even though he is making a profit from it). Kinda fucked that point up for you didn't I mate. As for Ken Dodd, does that mean you've got the right to tell me what I can and can't buy now then? 'Time to grow up' - So you wouldn't be buying Queen memorabilia then? I notice how you didn't mention that I'd bought the Bo Rhap charity single from 1992 from eBay (also made for charity). |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 17:40 |
fucked up the point? nope honest item? nope none of that money went to the ORIGIANL charity did it? fucked your point up there didnt i? yep! |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 17:42 |
The bloke selling the wristband had to buy the wristband in the first place in order to sell it. Therefore, some of the money I paid for it went to the origional cause. Make sense to you? |
| deleted user 01.06.2005 17:55 |
yep, but still not true cos u would of paid more than he bought it for, so technically he has made the profit, which that profit should of went to the charity, AND the fact you can buy those bands in shops and from the charities sites without payin extra, see, some research really does pay off and saves you money:D now hint numero uno, dont buy shite of ebay specailly those from "charities" cos they are obviously not, second, dont sell illegal shite on ebay! unless you want to end up in prison, now that would be funny, you sell the bootleg, get your money buy your ticket and your shoved in the slammer and miss your gig, ha ha i would be in hysterics! |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 18:00 |
Ah well... I've already got my ticket, so I need not sell any more CDs. However, alcohol IS pretty expensive in the capital, so if people are still wanting to buy them... then I'm not gonna say no! Look, if you disagree with what I'm doing, then fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But... If you think I'm gonna stop using eBay for whatever I want to buy, or sell, just because you've 'advised' me not to, then you've got it wrong. And as for the 'shite' I'm selling, since that 'shite' is a recording of the Queen+PR tour, and we're here on Queenzone, you've kinda kicked yourself in the bollocks there mate. Btw, are you going to the Hyde Park gig? |
| Penetration_Guru 01.06.2005 18:22 |
It's the casual arrogance that's so endearing. If you felt strongly about the Poverty/Cancer issues, you'd buy the bands "new", thus ensuring your money goes to the right place. If you want to look cool and are an uncaring fuckwit, you buy them on ebay. Of course, you're correct to say that you may buy and sell what you wish (within the law - the copyright in the bootleg is still held by the artist, incidentally), BUT as I said, to then use lack of funds as justification for your activities is stupid & hypocritical. |
| Penetration_Guru 01.06.2005 18:25 |
And a signed photo of Peter Kay is clearly a once in a lifetime opporunity... |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 18:34 |
At the time I bought the Poverty/Cancer bands, they had totally sold out in all shops (as we all know, there was unbelievable support for them). As for the comment about looking cool, I don't even wear the damn things, I simply bought them to do my bit. Even though I bought them off eBay, the half-wit who was selling them still had to pay the same price as everyone else buying them from the shop... therefore, the charity still got the same amount of money they would have done anyway. Its me that paid over the odds, not the charity that lost out. As for my 'hypocritical' actions in selling the CDs to raise funds to go to Hyde Park, how the hell is that hypocritical of me?? What did I say within this topic to brand myself a hypocrite?? |
| Brettles 01.06.2005 18:36 |
Oh, and I'd love you to explain your comment about the Peter Kay autograph... I don't quite get it... Quite ironic really that you pointed that out, since he's supporting Queen+PR at Hyde Park... Maybe I'll have a look at signed Razorlight items later on... Btw, just listening to my bootleg of the Sheffield concert - amazing! |
| Headlong24 02.06.2005 01:14 |
Again people get so excited about these things I mean it's only a bloody bootleg!!! Freddie Mercury |
| deleted user 02.06.2005 04:28 |
considering the signed photo of Peter Kay is fake! and for your info yes i might be going to Hyde Park but believe it or not im doing the innocent thing and working for it, im working for the cash and in the end, i can go down and say it really payed off, instead of going and saying to myself "yes i got to go by ripping off some thick shit", that would fill me with guilt but i doubt it will with you! my point made, im outta this thread! |
| Bob The Shrek 02.06.2005 05:01 |
'As for the comment about looking cool, I don't even wear the damn things, I simply bought them to do my bit. Even though I bought them off eBay, the half-wit who was selling them still had to pay the same price as everyone else buying them from the shop... therefore, the charity still got the same amount of money they would have done anyway. Its me that paid over the odds, not the charity that lost out.' What a load of bollocks. If you wanted to do 'your bit', you could have made a direct contribution to the charity. Instead you bought a wristband off Ebay and the charity got NOTHING from your transaction - so, indeed, they did lose out. |
| Penetration_Guru 02.06.2005 14:09 |
You argue wiith "hypocritical" but "stupid" goes unchallenged... |
| Cwazy little thing 02.06.2005 14:16 |
Calm down everybody! The bad language and character assasinations on both sides are unnecessary; cant you all play nicely? Yeah - selling bootlegs is wrong, and terribly annoying, but it goes on in copious amounts... for a while it was certainly my main way of getting hold of the things, because I hadnt seen that there was another way of getting some of the bootlegs on QZ through rapidshare (I cant use torrent because of a firewall). The way forward is simply to report anyone selling bootlegs to ebay, and they will be removed; Youre not gonna get through to them on here though - these people are from the same school of people who thinks that downloading their entire music collection off kazaa etc is ok, and that CD's being overpriced (a less valid argument these days) is reason for them not to pay for musicians hard work. |
| andrews 03.06.2005 14:48 |
Peneration Guru you were going to buy one of those bootlegs........ |
| Penetration_Guru 03.06.2005 16:31 |
yes, it must have slipped my mind... or, maybe I was feigning interest instead of outright calling you a leech. Leech. |
| Dreamers Ball 03.06.2005 20:35 |
Why can't everyone just give Brettles a break? It seems to me that too many members of this site are just whinging arseholes who have got nothing better to do than slag off other members. I see constant nit picking in so many threads - people just can't wait to jump straight in and highlight every single speling mistacke and grammatticall erorr. (That's supposed to be humour - so please don't pull me up on it). Are the sales of these bootlegs on Ebay affecting your life in any way? Are the people buying them happy with their purchase? - just look at his 100% feedback record. Ok, so the concerts can be downloaded, but not everyone is able to download hundreds of Megabytes. Not everyone is able to burn CD's. The buyers of this concert were happy to pay £12 for the service provided by Brettles In the old days we had to go to record fairs and car boot sales to buy bootlegs - why is selling them on Ebay any different? I say live and let live. Isn't this site supposed to be for people to communicate about their common interest - The Greatest Rock Band on the Planet? Brettles: I can offer you a lift to London for the Hyde Park gig if you're interested. I will be travelling down from Leeds on the Friday morning. |
| andrews 04.06.2005 08:20 |
Get a life you sad people, and i quote" So, if you have the full set, I'll be a buyer" so dont you think you are setting double standards!!!!!!! And we are big and brave sat behind a computer calling someone a leech aren't we? |
| Penetration_Guru 04.06.2005 18:03 |
If you're suggesting that I wouldn't say it to your face, you are wrong. As to whoever says live and let live - I have no children & I am no longer a child - am I therefore not allowed an opinion on paedophilia? (extreme example use to illustrate point) |
| deleted user 04.06.2005 20:10 |
Brettles wrote: I've just come across another item on eBay, selling exactly the same thing with exactly the same description by a different eBayer!! Here is the link: link In fact... I'll tell you the truth... the person selling that is ME! So Gillian, stop moaning - I paid £90 for my ticket off eBay to enable me to go see Queen+PR at Sheffield. If ticket touts can make twice the ticket value on eBay, then why the hell can't I get my ticket price back selling a bootleg of the concert?? I, or the other bloke who's knicked my description of the concert ("This concert at Sheffield was the one chosen to be recorded for a DVD of the tour" - yes, that's mine), are doing no harm in selling this, and if you're telling me that you wouldn't buy a bootleg of a concert that you'd been to, then you're bullshitting. Besides, the money that I've made off this bootleg and also off photographs of the concert that I've been selling on eBay is only going to be used to purchase my concert ticket, train ticket and accomodation for the Hyde Park concert anyway - what's so wrong with that? I look forward to your reply Gillian, or anyone else who wishes to slate me for doing this! Have a nice day!Why should we care how you spend your money? Your selling illegal things, wich is illegal (dah). And that your spending it on a hyde park ticket is also bulshit, I mean someone else would have bought a Hyde park ticket if you wheren't there. And apart from that using the same money is for them like playing for free to you :S. |
| andrews 06.06.2005 12:27 |
If you are that bothered about preventing crime why dont you get your teeth into some real issues, instead of something trivial like this???? Lord of Darkness i think you should sort yourself out instead of worrying about other people, who taught you how to spell???? Or are you really a five year old who cant spell???? Brett dont forget your recorder to make some bootlegs at Hyde Park!!!!!!! |
| Saint Jiub 06.06.2005 14:07 |
Andrews - You are a leech. You resell stuff that you do not own which you have taken from others that they have selflessly shared. Off course the sharers will be upset. You are nothing but a two bit thief. P.S. In the interest of fairness, make sure you put a disclaimer in your next e-bay scam stating that the item can be downloaded for free from Queenzone. |
| andrews 06.06.2005 16:49 |
why should i? Its only half the concert for sheffield aint it? You the one who is the leech making a big deal out of something and nothing. Why dont you go and get a life and do something constructive with your life!!!!!! |
| andrews 06.06.2005 16:51 |
what if people dont have access to Broadband, to download an album could take 3 or 4 hours, and other people dont have access to a cd burner???? Have you ever thought about that you dim wit? At the end of the day people have a choice whether they buy it or not!!!!!!! |
| Saint Jiub 06.06.2005 16:57 |
I am doing something constructive, but yet futile: I am trying to keep fools from being parted unnecessarily from their money, by appealing to your conscience (which you apparently do not have). |
| Saint Jiub 06.06.2005 16:58 |
double post |
| Saint Jiub 06.06.2005 16:59 |
andrews wrote: what if people dont have access to Broadband, to download an album could take 3 or 4 hours, and other people dont have access to a cd burner???? Have you ever thought about that you dim wit? At the end of the day people have a choice whether they buy it or not!!!!!!!Then sell for the cost of CD's and postage. Duh |
| Saint Jiub 06.06.2005 17:00 |
double post |
| Brettles 06.06.2005 17:04 |
I think the post added by Dreamers Ball (about 8 above) sums up all we are discussing in this topic. Certain people on here like to indulge in unneccessarily going overboard for pathetic, and to put it simply, fucking stupid reasons. As stated in previous posts, we are not forcing people to buy the bootlegs. If I had people tied up, making them buy the fucking things, then I could maybe understand! But I haven't!! It is their choice to buy the CD, their choice to part with their money and enjoy the concert recording! So how the fuck can you say that we are lower than low, etc?? Sorry for my swearing for the calmer characters in this forum, but it's doing my fucking box in now! Also, a good valid point made by Andrews - people can't even download the full concert off this website, what use is that to them?? Less use that a friggin chocolate fireguard!! By the way, lots of thanks to Dreamers Ball for his kind offer of a lift down to London - unfortunately for me, I have already purchased the train ticket (yes - I have now made enough money 'skanking' people! ha ha!) - but it is much appreciated - thanks once again. |
| andrews 06.06.2005 17:08 |
Nice one Brett, if you make enough money from the hyde park concert you may be able to go and see them abroad somewhere!!!!! |
| andrews 06.06.2005 17:10 |
what do you think broadband is free as well??? Duh!!!!!! |
| Brettles 06.06.2005 17:14 |
Well as you said Andy, you've gotta speculate to accumulate!! I'm purchasing professional recording equipment off eBay as we speak!!!!! As for going abroad, QueenPlusPaulRodgers.com has just announced they're playing in Japan later on this year... you fancy it?!! ...We should have made enough money selling bootlegs on eBay by then to afford transport, etc!!! |
| Penetration_Guru 06.06.2005 18:18 |
You can just tell these two are teenagers, can't you? |
| Dreamers Ball 06.06.2005 18:33 |
Brettles - You're very welcome - enjoy the gig! Rip Van Winkle (& all the other whingers) - You say sell for the cost of the CD's + postage - are you forgetting about labour? I will say again in case you didn't quite understand the first time around:- Brettles is providing a service which the people on Ebay were/are very happy to pay for. They're happy. Brettles is happy. What the f*ck is your problem? The guy who used the paedophilia analogy - that isn't even worth replying to. |
| Brettles 06.06.2005 18:40 |
Penetration_guru... You think just because I'm a 'teenager' I haven't got a right to my opinion, haven't got a right to speak in this forum just as much as everyone else has?? I think you'll find you're quite wrong in this day-and-age. Dreamers Ball and Andrews are the only sane people in here (apart from me!) able to understand a reasonable meaning to all this - it seems to me that the rest of you are all biased b****rds, as you all share your half-recorded bootlegs of gigs amongst yourselfs. I know I'm treading on old ground, but I go back to the point made before - what if people dont have the facilities of a CD burner?? What if people wanting the recording of the gig haven't got an internet connection with a half decent download speed?? At the end of the day, people are willing to pay for Andrews' and myself's services on eBay, after all, a price of about a tenner isn't exactly unreasonable is it?? So what the fuck is the problem??! |
| Dreamers Ball 06.06.2005 19:07 |
Brettles - Enjoy being a teenager. Once it's gone, it's gone for good. Enjoy having fun. Learn from mistakes you may make along the way, but, in 10 or 20 years time, be able to look back and say 'yeah - it was all f*cking worth it'. You hopefully have many years of quality life before you. Enjoy it. Know how sad the whingers must be to get upset about someone they don't know selling recordings they don't own to someone else that they also don't know - and to know that these people were actually glad to be 'ripped off'. Maybe Penetration what's his face moved straight from early childhood to middle age. BTW Penetration - I myself have never sold any bootleg recordings - it doesn't seem worth the time & hassle for such a small return. BUT..... I may just sell some now. I'll be sure to give you first refusal! |
| AC 07.06.2005 05:24 |
Dreamers Ball wrote: You say sell for the cost of the CD's + postage - are you forgetting about labour?What's the labour? Downloading a concert for free, burning it on Cd and sending it? I hope you're not serious. How can you take something for free and then sell it, making a good profit from it and pretending you're doing a favour to the community? |
| Gillian 07.06.2005 06:22 |
Dear Brettles, I haven't answered before because I had some holidays without my pc! I read all your answers and all I have to say is this: it's a free world and anyone is free to do anything in respect of the rules society has stated. Or at least it's still so in this moment. Have you noticed what e-bay says about bootlegs? Here it is: " Bootleg Recordings Bootleg recordings are unauthorized recordings of concerts or live performances. Sellers are not permitted to list bootleg recordings on eBay. Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including: Listing cancellation Limits on account privileges Account suspension" No checks by E-bay or other authorities do not mean, in my opinion, that everyone can simply ignore it. And if other people do so, does it mean that we all can break rules? In my opinion rules must be obeyed. I'm only sorry that you had my first message as a personal critic. Because it wasn't! I do perfectly know, since I buy a lot on e-bay, that there are lots of bootlegs and not only Queen bootlegs. And I, like others here on this forum, totally disapprove this kind of sellings. I know that there also a lot of people who buy this item... I disapprove them too! Especially because I know that they can trade or simply download quite everything they buy! After this, I can understand your personal reasons. I've been a student since November 2003 and I perfectly remember I didn't have enough money to afford a lot of things... still haven't got much. But I remember also that I started working when I was 19 just to pay for my study and all the things I wanted. I attended a gig of the tour too and I paid the ticket very much. I won't talk about too personal things, but I can ensure you that it was a very big amount for my present earnings. But I never even thought to sell on e-bay pics or bootlegs! I just have to say that alla I was saying on the first message wasn't personal. I was just talking about my point of view. |
| Dreamers Ball 07.06.2005 11:53 |
AC - You may not place much value on your time. This is not the case for most people in the western world. |
| Nuno 07.06.2005 12:43 |
I can't believe I just read through this shit - I must be as sad and pathetic as most of you on here Dreamres Ball sums it all up who is forcing people to pay for these items off eBay ( or anywhere else for that matter) If they are happy to pay for it - in the words of Metallica " SO FUCKING WHAT" Is everyone that sad that they have to get involved in other business I think Richard should remove this topic it's fucking sad |
| wstüssyb 07.06.2005 13:53 |
Dreamers Ball wrote: AC - You may not place much value on your time. This is not the case for most people in the western world.Oh yea Im in the western world...so I need to place a high value on just a few clicks? let me guess, are you fat and lazy? You should not bring in "Your time" into this, there is basically no work at all to make a cd, unless you are really lazy and stupid that it takes you a few hours to figure out how to make a CD. If you think we are wrong here at Queenzone, Then I invite you to ask, lets say Brian may..You can submit questions to him. Will you do it? I thought so. |
| Saint Jiub 07.06.2005 14:21 |
May I suggest drug dealing (preferrably on e-bay) instead of your CD-R scamming. The profits are higher, and the customers are all too willing to buy ... and a little recreational drug use never hurt anyone. |
| AC 07.06.2005 14:29 |
Dreamers Ball wrote: AC - You may not place much value on your time. This is not the case for most people in the western world.Time to download the torrent: right click and save and then open the .torrent file. (then you leave the computer connected to internet, go to sleep, come back after 15 hours and there you have it) Time to burn the CD: drag & drop the files, insert a blank CD, click on "Burn CD". Repeat 2 times for 2 Cds. Time to put the item on ebay: 5 minutes for the description maybe? So, where is all this valuable time? It doesn't seem much to me. If you are really doing it for ebay users, why didn't you put "downloaded from free on link on the description? |
| andrews 08.06.2005 03:21 |
AC do you think that if you leave your computer on over night the electricity is free? I dont think so, it may be free for you sitting in your Gypo Caravan with your electricty wired up to a lamp post. why dont you just get over it!!!!! Brett could be doing a lot worse things!!!! |
| AC 08.06.2005 07:50 |
andrews wrote: AC do you think that if you leave your computer on over night the electricity is free? I dont think so, it may be free for you sitting in your Gypo Caravan with your electricty wired up to a lamp post.You're an idiot. You download something for free and you complain about paying electricity? Where do you come from, Uganda maybe? (no offence to Uganda) You're just a thief because you take something for free and then you make others pay for it, without telling them they could get it for free as well. andrews wrote: Brett could be doing a lot worse things!!!!And how do you know he is not doing them? |
| Brettles 08.06.2005 07:59 |
AC, what the fuck are you on about?? Firstly, Andrews and myself didn't download the concerts for free. We both bought them off eBay, just the same as people are buying them off us. Also, why the fuck would we post a listing on eBay stating that you can download the exact item we are selling for free?? That would be a pointless money-making scam now wouldn't it... If you're so bothered, why don't you take it upon yourself to post a listing on eBay (not forgetting to pay the listing fee's etc out of your own pocket), stating that you can download a concert from Queenzone for free, even though half-way through the concert it cuts out?? I think you'll find a hell of a lot more people are willing to pay a small amount for a CD to come through their letterbox with the complete concert on, rather than leave their computer on for a stupid amount of hours, just to recieve half a friggin concert!! Think about it AC... |
| andrews 08.06.2005 08:06 |
I am getting a bit bored of this AC you are the idiot cause if you notice you can not download all the Sheffield concert for free. ITS ONLY HALF THE CONCERT YOU MUPPET.... Brett maybe doing things a lot worse than selling a cd on ebay but he keeps that to himself... |
| Brettles 08.06.2005 08:10 |
Yeah AC... I'm a drugs baron really... I just devise scams on eBay to top my bank account up now and again... |
| AC 08.06.2005 08:13 |
Wow, idiots, find new excuses. Frist the time, then the electricity... you did it to save the world, right? Oh, how great you are, you did it for the starving children... how many times did you download the Live Aid DVD? Donwloading it many times surely helps the poor children to get the food... |
| andrews 08.06.2005 08:14 |
AC dont you think your the idiot because as this forum has been going on me and brett have made about £500!!! So whos the idiot???? |
| Brettles 08.06.2005 08:16 |
...Where did the Live Aid DVD come into this?? I think since Live Aid was about banishing poverty amongst Third World countries, it's quite a world away from selling recordings of Queen concerts on eBay, don't you, AC?? Get a grip of yourself you dick... |
| Brettles 08.06.2005 08:20 |
Nice comment there by Andy... Should easily get to London and back, pay for the train ticket, pay for the concert ticket, pay for the hotel... and also have quite a few drinks off the money I've made!!! Nice little earner we've found here Andy...! |
| andrews 08.06.2005 08:22 |
Yeah it sure is Brett am seriously thinking about jacking my job in and doing this for a living. By the way Brett hows your Oasis tickets doing?? |
| Brettles 08.06.2005 08:25 |
I haven't put it on eBay yet... Waiting until a little later so more people are eager to get to the concert... so more money to make...!! And hey... why jack your job in Andy... after all, as AC said... it only takes 5minutes to list it, burn the CD, go to the Post Office, buy the padded envelope, send it, print the CD covers off, etc...... |
| andrews 08.06.2005 08:27 |
link if anyone is interested..... |
| andrews 09.06.2005 13:19 |
Its all gone quiet on here Brett hasnt it? Maybe they have more pressing issues....... Like making sure their tea is done for 7pm |
| wstüssyb 09.06.2005 15:09 |
There is a big difference between a idiot, and some one who has moral issues. To bad you can't seem to figure it out. 500 off bootlegs is a sad business, Kinda sucks when you simply cannot get a dencent part time job to do the things that you want to do. More or less, just becuase you got ripped off buying this bootleg, does that give you the right to make profit off of it? Selling bootlegs is illigal, of course people do it, just like people kill people and break the law. Face it, what you are doing is wrong, no matter how much you bitch about it not and whatever it is wrong. |
| Brettles 09.06.2005 16:36 |
wstussyb... I'm sure andrews will back me up when I tell you that I do have a part-time job, earning a decent wage. Andrews also has a respectable job, being my boss where I work... small work eh?!! But whats wrong with topping that wage up with a bit of wheeling and dealing on eBay?! |
| Mr Drowse 10.06.2005 05:32 |
I want to go there too. Let me just rob a bank quickly cause otherwise i cannot afford my ticket. I'm sure all you Queen fans justify this. Thanks ;) |
| Brettles 10.06.2005 05:39 |
Somehow I don't think selling stuff on eBay and robbing a bank to pay for your Hyde Park ticket are quite in the same league, are they?? |
| Mr Drowse 10.06.2005 05:50 |
That's why I put a ";)" Some call it irony. |
| Brettles 10.06.2005 05:51 |
Sorry, I forgot to laugh... |
| Mr Drowse 10.06.2005 06:02 |
Smile! :) |
| andrews 11.06.2005 11:22 |
wstussyb, what sort of name is that did you just pick random letters off they keyboard???? Brett is a respectable young man who works for me, the money he earns from me covers him for his and rent and food, and what he earns from this pays for his beers. It all about economics, if anyone did it at school, their is a demand for these bootlegs and we supply them, easy!!!!!! At the end of the day money talks and bullshit walks, we'll do the talking and you lot can do the walking!!!! |
| TheGame 12.06.2005 23:34 |
Look at this idiot and read what he writes: link I've sent him a notice, and wonder what he respond to it. He can't be very clever, writing that this item is rare, and "One Vison" and "AKOM" was rarely performed! |
| onevsion 13.06.2005 05:07 |
andrews wrote: wstussyb, what sort of name is that did you just pick random letters off they keyboard???? Brett is a respectable young man who works for me, the money he earns from me covers him for his and rent and food, and what he earns from this pays for his beers. It all about economics, if anyone did it at school, their is a demand for these bootlegs and we supply them, easy!!!!!! At the end of the day money talks and bullshit walks, we'll do the talking and you lot can do the walking!!!!And you could end up in jail. We keep on walking freely |
| Gillian 13.06.2005 06:38 |
Ducksoup wrote:Totally agree with you, Ducksoup.andrews wrote: wstussyb, what sort of name is that did you just pick random letters off they keyboard???? Brett is a respectable young man who works for me, the money he earns from me covers him for his and rent and food, and what he earns from this pays for his beers. It all about economics, if anyone did it at school, their is a demand for these bootlegs and we supply them, easy!!!!!! At the end of the day money talks and bullshit walks, we'll do the talking and you lot can do the walking!!!!And you could end up in jail. We keep on walking freely And, since I have a degree in economics, I can tell wstussyb that economy is not ruled by any ethics, that's way we have governments e law to rise against something like bootlegs... I'm sure there is a market for a lot of illegal things like drugs and similar items, but that doesn't make them legal! That's the only point. Everyone knows that wherever there's a law there is also someone who's trying not to respect it but breaking or ignoring rules, doesn't mean that they exist and, in this particular case, that someone could tell ebay what is happening with unauthorized copies. Always remember: economics it's a justice. For this, we need rules and law. Gill. |