| bryans permed poodle 15069 16.11.2004 18:29 |
I can understand him not wanting to perform live or record again as part of Queen but surely it wouldn't hurt him to attend and accept an award with Brian and Roger thanking fans for their votes (ie last weekends Hall Of Fame Event). I don't get it ? I know the guy is a very private person but if I was Brian and Roger I would see it as a snub to them and the fans of Queen. Does anybody know whether Brian and Roger are unhappy with the lack of involvement from John ? |
| FriedChicken 16.11.2004 18:33 |
John has a terrible form of Acné. Check this topic: link |
| deleted user 16.11.2004 18:43 |
There's not going to be any snubbing there. It was his choice, and frankly, I don't think Brian and Roger gives a damn. |
| deleted user 17.11.2004 04:52 |
Do you think Brian and Roger still meet up with John at all or still like him even. |
| Mrs.Taylor 17.11.2004 05:47 |
Did anyone notice that apart from not acknowledging John, Roger and Brian didn't even mention Freddie? |
| Benn 17.11.2004 09:16 |
John has bene the only member of the band to truly respect Freddie's memory IMO. His decision to NOT continue with Queen shows just how much he truly believed Queen to be a sum of the 4 parts. Cleary, Brian and Roger have their own agendas - they both live extremely lavish lifestyles and have a number of children / ex-wives to pay for. They need to continue making themselves money to fun that and their only vehicle for it is under the Queen banner. John lives within his means and doesn't need to do any more than accept the royalty cheques that appears from EMI. Good on him I say. |
| mystic_rhythms 17.11.2004 11:55 |
What the hell is up with this 'curse' crap? We all know that John Deacon has decided not to take part in any of Queen's actions, decisions, and future ideas simply because he is not interested. He has a life outside of Queen, you know! He has a big family, many kids to take care of, and a wife he's been married to for almost as long as Queen has been around. Brian and Roger still respect John and they're still friends with him. They're not gonna hate him because he doesn't want any part of Queen (though he will happily accept the money he gets for royalties, good business lol) As for the Brian May 'curse', it's superstition. I don't know who comes up with this (pardon my language) bullshit, because, simply put, it's sad and pathetic that someone would make this up. Brian May has no curse, he never had a curse, and he never will have a curse. |
| Wouter 17.11.2004 12:00 |
Benn wrote: John has bene the only member of the band to truly respect Freddie's memory IMO. His decision to NOT continue with Queen shows just how much he truly believed Queen to be a sum of the 4 parts. [...] Good on him I say.Hmmm, you're putting too much meaning in his decision not to appear in public, I suppose. Besides, if he were so busy respecting Freddie, he would logically have made a statement once (?) |
| Negative Creep 17.11.2004 12:03 |
Friends? How are they friends? Theyre not in direct contact anymore. John has done the right thing. Brian & Roger are raping the name Queen. They are NOT Queen - never can be. Queen is their little business adventure now. More money as they can't make millions with solo albums. Sad. I was surprised when they took the award and Brian announced that "we" are going to play, as if THEY are Queen! Most people who voted for Queen, voted for Freddie Mercury, not the guitarist and drummer. No ones being fooled - theyll find this out soon enough. Maybe they should fuck off back to their stupid musical. |
| Benn 17.11.2004 12:07 |
But, *surely*, John's respect of Freddie is best illustrated by not having said anything about it all since he died. Put it this way, if a very close friend of *yours* died in those kind of circumstances (bearing mind that the press have been / were standing on freddie's doorstep, waiting for any kind of tit-bit of information to print and then turn around to their advantage), would you make a public statement? I know I wouldn't. John's memories and thoughts on Freddie are his and his alone - why should he let us all know what he's thinking and why; it's none of our business..... |
| Wouter 17.11.2004 12:09 |
Benn wrote: But, *surely*, John's respect of Freddie is best illustrated by not having said anything about it all since he died. Put it this way, if a very close friend of *yours* died in those kind of circumstances (bearing mind that the press have been / were standing on freddie's doorstep, waiting for any kind of tit-bit of information to print and then turn around to their advantage), would you make a public statement? I know I wouldn't. John's memories and thoughts on Freddie are his and his alone - why should he let us all know what he's thinking and why; it's none of our business.....then why are you interpreting his silence? |
| brENsKi 17.11.2004 12:38 |
how is "opting out" respecting Freddie's Memory any more than trying to keep the meory alive surely any commercial moves Brian/Roger make - ill-conceived or otherwise, are at least keeping freddie's legend going John clearly isn't doing that - for whatever reason(s) |
| deleted user 17.11.2004 12:52 |
Well, we or "you" don't know what John is going through. He has his reasons for not joining B and R. You don't know why he doesnt want to go to the awards. Maybe he developed some kind of social anxiety disorder..I don't know, but don't assume he's a snob or he doesn't care about his fans. |
| Negative Creep 17.11.2004 13:00 |
Do you actually think Freddie expected the band to continue without him? I seriously doubt it - John obviously didn't expect them to either... out of fuckin respect. To the general public, Freddie WAS Queen. He left those vocal takes to allow them to release one more album. If he knew they were doing to cheapen the Queen "brand" by working with any old singer I doubt he would have bothered. |
| brENsKi 17.11.2004 13:11 |
queen4ever said: Well, we or "you" don't know what John is going through. He has his reasons for not joining B and R. You don't know why he doesnt want to go to the awards. but don't assume he's a snob or he doesn't care about his fans. --------------------- where id i say that? in fatc i said the exact opposite - surely me saying he chooses not to "for whatver reason(s) - says exactly that he has reasons and WE can never really guess what they are. my point is that Brian/Roger are keeping queen alive - they make some mistakes WWRY, but generally they are trying to keep it alive john hasn't got involved - he has his reasons, we don't know them - that's all there is to it |
| deakys ghost 17.11.2004 13:37 |
Well done "Negative Creep" for at least being honest, you're not alone in your reasoning!! There seems to be 2 distinct types of Queen fan now, those who remember & support the 4 piece group and those who support the Queen+ May & Taylor bastardised version minus John. Fairplay to John for not particiating in the "Hall of Fame" and staying true to the original group legend. May & Taylor have been hinting for donkeys that they have this "holy grail" of a letter from John stating that they can do what they want with the Queen name. Why has this never been published in the Fan Club magazine, is there too much truth in there?? Does John think that everything post '95 is bollocks? Queen (Queen+) seems to be no longer a band but a clever marketing machine churning out the franchise (the musical) around the world. It seems that the wonderful legacy of Freddie is being reduced to tacky merchandice in a theatre "..near you" and that a generation of kids will grow up thinking they (Queen) only had 2 songs, wwry & watc. LONG LIVE FREDDIE!!!!!!!!! |
| Wouter 17.11.2004 16:53 |
deakys ghost wrote: Well done "Negative Creep" for at least being honest, you're not alone in your reasoning!! There seems to be 2 distinct types of Queen fan now, those who remember & support the 4 piece group and those who support the Queen+ May & Taylor bastardised version minus John. Fairplay to John for not particiating in the "Hall of Fame" and staying true to the original group legend. May & Taylor have been hinting for donkeys that they have this "holy grail" of a letter from John stating that they can do what they want with the Queen name. Why has this never been published in the Fan Club magazine, is there too much truth in there?? Does John think that everything post '95 is bollocks? Queen (Queen+) seems to be no longer a band but a clever marketing machine churning out the franchise (the musical) around the world. It seems that the wonderful legacy of Freddie is being reduced to tacky merchandice in a theatre "..near you" and that a generation of kids will grow up thinking they (Queen) only had 2 songs, wwry & watc. LONG LIVE FREDDIE!!!!!!!!!1. Negative Creep: as far as I know, we don't know Freddie's plans for the band after his death, so don't use speculations. 2. we don't know how John feels about the 'new Queen'. It might be uncertain whether he agrees, but it is just as uncertain that he disagrees. So again, don't use speculations. 3. stop seeing this as a black-or-white discussion. I don't especially like the new Queen, but I don't see any problem in them going on with the band/brand, which is not the same as supporting them. Stop seeing John Deacon as a martyr for everything that is 'the true Queen', because there is no proof whatsoever for this. |
| Paul Mark 17.11.2004 17:29 |
Well, I usually stay out of these kind of debates because they happen all the time and I dont thing the 2 sides will ever agree. But because I'm completely bored at work I though I would give my 2 cents worth. All this debate about tarnishing the name of Queen... what a load of bollocks. Queen have 30 years of material to back up what a great band they are. Roger and John performing under the name Queen is not going to change that. The Queen name just gives them far greater exposure. Its also ridiculous to suggest that they are doing it for the money. Brian and Roger regularly feature in the list of the highest paid entertainers in the UK even though they are members of a largely defunct band. It is obvious it is the music, not money, that they love. Brian is particular just seems to love playing guitar. Why do you think the list of artists he as collaborated with is pages long? I'm sure that should they decide to record a new album or tour under the name Queen they will be universally panned by critics (as they always are!!!) for exactly the reasons that people on this board are giving: 2 Old Farts cashing in on the Queen name. Do I care? NO! Roger and Brian are two fantastically talented songwriters. They also seem to write their best music when together as a band. I only became a fan after Freddie died and I would definately love to hear new music from these guys. I would also love to see Queen go out on tour again. I actually was in the crowd at 46664 and I can tell you that a crowd of 60 000 people (not Queen fans) absolutely loved the show that Brian and Roger put on. People out there still love Queens music and would rather hear is being sung by other people (i.e. not Freddie) then not at all. I have also heard the Paul Rogers tracks from the UK Hall of Fame and I really think that he has a great voice. No, he doesnt sound like Freddie but do we want somebody up their performing as though he was in a tribute band?!? I think its far better for whoever sings for Queen to give each song a unique twist. I certainly hope its not the last we see of this collaboration. At the end of the day the Queen name is Brian and Rogers to do with as they like. If you dont like it dont buy it. You can pretend that Queen died along with Freddie in 1991. I on the other hand hope that for he next 10 years Queen will go on to produce more great music. P.S. As far as Roger and Brian not thanking Freddie, I'm sure that was not a deliberate snub. Neither Roger or Brian would deny that Freddie was huge part of Queen. I just dont think they took the award too seriously. When it was the US Hall Of Fame they thanked Freddie and accepted the award with Jer Bulsara. |
| gabriel79 19.11.2004 11:06 |
Negative Creep wrote: Friends? How are they friends? Theyre not in direct contact anymore. John has done the right thing. Brian & Roger are raping the name Queen. They are NOT Queen - never can be. Queen is their little business adventure now. More money as they can't make millions with solo albums. Sad. I was surprised when they took the award and Brian announced that "we" are going to play, as if THEY are Queen! Most people who voted for Queen, voted for Freddie Mercury, not the guitarist and drummer. No ones being fooled - theyll find this out soon enough. Maybe they should fuck off back to their stupid musical.i agree |
| gabriel79 19.11.2004 11:08 |
deakys ghost wrote: Well done "Negative Creep" for at least being honest, you're not alone in your reasoning!! There seems to be 2 distinct types of Queen fan now, those who remember & support the 4 piece group and those who support the Queen+ May & Taylor bastardised version minus John. Fairplay to John for not particiating in the "Hall of Fame" and staying true to the original group legend. May & Taylor have been hinting for donkeys that they have this "holy grail" of a letter from John stating that they can do what they want with the Queen name. Why has this never been published in the Fan Club magazine, is there too much truth in there?? Does John think that everything post '95 is bollocks? Queen (Queen+) seems to be no longer a band but a clever marketing machine churning out the franchise (the musical) around the world. It seems that the wonderful legacy of Freddie is being reduced to tacky merchandice in a theatre "..near you" and that a generation of kids will grow up thinking they (Queen) only had 2 songs, wwry & watc. LONG LIVE FREDDIE!!!!!!!!!i agree with u too |
| Daburcor? 19.11.2004 11:33 |
Simply put, John is retired. Now, When I think of retirement, I think of people not working their chosen job anymore. Making music, touring, interviewing, and even accepting awards were all parts of his job. Expecting John to appear at an award ceremony is like expecting ol' retired Joe Blow construction worker to be back at the job on Monday morning. |
| geeksandgeeks 19.11.2004 16:32 |
He's. Retired. Once a person retires from anything, they no longer have an obligation to appear at functions of that particular thing. Besides, people who come out of retirement have a long and glaring history of being complete wonks. |
| FredMerBul 19.11.2004 20:22 |
John Deacon is out of the show. Brian & Roger pretend to be QUEEN; of course they aren´t. Queen (like it or not) was -mostly- FREDDIE. A little disorder without the Mr. Bad Guy. I´m sad they didn´t mentioned FRED (Hall Fame). We continue missing you Freddie! |
| All Star 19.11.2004 20:34 |
Of course!!! i forgot John and Freddie were best pals. They used to go to the pub together all the time, drink a pint of shandy and play darts. Then later they would often be seen in a stripclub stuffing fifty pound notes down the g-strings of expensive hookers. Why do people continue to spout this speculative crap about John staying out of the limelight out of respect for Freddie. The guy has retired, end of story. Brian and Roger have decided NOT to retire and waste their talent. It's their choice at the end of the day and as the founding members of Queen they can do whatever they like with the Queen name. |
| Deacons 1st Choice 19.11.2004 20:46 |
Well said.... I agree with many points made here. This is a great topic for a thread...now we are REALLY hearing what everyone thinks! I respect John a LOT and i'm glad in a way that he took the initiative and called it a day as far as Queen goes. A part of me feels that B and R are trying to drag this out long after it has come to a end, but then i rememeber that music is a business to them....has been for MANY years.....so they feel a need to continue endlessly. John does not feel that way, as he was always quite comportable to put things aside and move onto something else. Brian has noted this quite a bit in the past. I think John did the right thing, and it's too bad B and R can't follow his lead and sit back, relax, and enjoy the remaining years left in their lives instead of shelepping around the world neverendlessly for the sake of $$$. They have enough...they have said so....so why do they still do it? Why not take it easy? It's in their blood i guess....keeps em' feeling young i guess.... |
| Lester Burnham 19.11.2004 21:01 |
I agree with several points here, the first being about John retiring. The man has simply retired, and whether or not it's out of respect to Freddie is not known, nor is it relevant. A good example of this is Bill Wyman's retirement from The Rolling Stones; personally, I would love to see Wyman join his old band again, but respect him for keeping away as they are the shell of what they once were. While 'Queen', as it exists today, isn't necessarily a shell, they aren't the same anymore. With that said, Brian and Roger should continue, and I'm glad they're doing so. They could have taken John's way and become recluses, but they're showing an active interest in playing music again, which is important. They're still creative after all these years, and while it would be nice if John joined them, he has other priorities. So good on all of them for following their hearts, even if it's not what we, as Queen fans, want to see. Because, at the end of the day, they're the ones playing their music; thus, it should matter most to them how it's executed. I would hate to be an ageing musician with whiny fans expecting this and that of their idols; let them do what they want. |
| Boy Thomas Raker 19.11.2004 21:11 |
What a fine week for sensible conversation at QZ. It appears that intelligence reigns for one week anyway. Lester, fine post, but I'll have to quibble with your comment on Brian and Roger being creative after all these years. They could make changes to every song in the musical for the next hundred years while fast asleep. It's great they're flogging product to keep the Queen name alive, but that's entertainment only. From Queen to at least NOTW, maybe Jazz, Queen made art, like Picasso or Michaelangelo. What they're doing now is akin to selling sketches on the sidewalk. |
| Lester Burnham 19.11.2004 22:26 |
Err, yeah, I probably should have said "with intent to be creative"...the new songs for the 46664 project at least they could still write, but I briefly forgot that they haven't released anything new, either as Queen or as a solo artist, since 2001. |