QueenZone discussion #362618
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| akan 04.07.2004 07:44 |
ok people, let's talk about something serious.How led zeppelin influenced queen? |
| Polar Bear 04.07.2004 08:22 |
The most profound influence LEd Zeppelin had on Queen was their blatent abuse of groupies. "Down in the dundeon, just peaches and me." This escalated through to: "mama jsut killed a man, put my love gun to his head, pulle dmy trigger now he's dead." Filthy. |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 04.07.2004 12:10 |
How about how The Who influenced Freddie with the Tommy album? He was quite taken with it and used to listen to it constantly to figure out the concept of a rock opera...which he did later on and is still making money off the end result. Wonder if The Who continue to get royalties as massive as Bo Rhap? (probably not!) |
| geeksandgeeks 04.07.2004 13:40 |
Lisa J Goodrich wrote: How about how The Who influenced Freddie with the Tommy album? He was quite taken with it and used to listen to it constantly to figure out the concept of a rock opera...which he did later on and is still making money off the end result. Wonder if The Who continue to get royalties as massive as Bo Rhap? (probably not!)Did he really? I love that album. I guess I can see that, what with Black Queen and Bo Rhap. As for Zeppelin, I think they mainly influenced Brian. Though they were both fantastic frontmen, Freddie was not like Robert Plant. Freddie did not have a rock voice; Plant did. Btw, andrew, I respect the intentions, but asking us to talk about something serious is like asking a group of people standing outside in a rainstorm not to get wet. |
| Adam Baboolal 04.07.2004 14:05 |
And don't forget that Brian's playing had some influence from The Who. Very evident on the first and second albums. Peace, Adam. |
| Mr.Jingles 04.07.2004 14:12 |
Hendrix influenced Queen way much more than Led Zeppelin or The Who. Just ask any of them. |
| Fenderek 05.07.2004 08:13 |
IMO Led Zeppelin influenced Queen A LOT! just take white side of Queen II- there's plenty of Zeps in there! How about half of the songs on QUEEN? Yeah, I agree- there's also a lot of The Who and a bit of Hendrix, but one have to be death not to hear Led Zeppelin... Especially when it gets to Brian- actually, when you take Queen live it's even more evident! And I don't agree that Freddie wasn't at all influenced by Robert plant. Just listen to "See What A Fool I've Been" (especially BBC version)... |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 05.07.2004 08:30 |
I like to think The Beatles had a tremendous influence on Queen. All four were fans and Freddie and Roger liked John Lennon especially. (Remember the Imagine cover the night Lennon was murdered?) Speaking of that night in 1980, I remember an interview where Freddie said, "We'll never be in that situation" (being stalked by crazed fans). Wonder if that ever happened and to which Queen member? |
| Gunpowder Gelatine 05.07.2004 17:06 |
Does anybody think that Whole Lotta Love sounds like Get Down, Make Love? Especially the live version and it's interlude. Bohemian Rhapsody reminds me vaguely of Stairway To Heaven, except, of course, without the opera part. But both of them start out slow, get heavier, and then return to the beginning again. |
| The Real Wizard 05.07.2004 22:44 |
Glossimer wrote: Does anybody think that Whole Lotta Love sounds like Get Down, Make Love? Especially the live version and it's interlude.Sorry, not a chance. The effects used are completely different. Jimmy Page used a theramin, while Brian May used harmonizing pedals to create augmented and diminished chords using very unique tones. |
| FriedChicken 05.07.2004 22:58 |
I know Brian considers himself as the biggest Led Zeppelin fan on this planet, and they always used to play Immigrant Song during the Queen soundchecks |
| frejorobri 06.07.2004 03:27 |
Glossimer wrote: Does anybody think that Whole Lotta Love sounds like Get Down, Make Love? Especially the live version and it's interlude. Bohemian Rhapsody reminds me vaguely of Stairway To Heaven, except, of course, without the opera part. But both of them start out slow, get heavier, and then return to the beginning again.I noticed that,as well. About Stairway and BoRhap:) |
| Whatinthewhatthe? 06.07.2004 07:45 |
Didn't the April issue of Classic Rock magazine cover this subject? |
| Sebastian 06.07.2004 09:02 |
What Brian said is that he's the biggest Beatles fan. Imo Roger and Fred were more Zep fans although that doesn't mean Brian didn't like them. Liking a band and being influenced by it is different. Moreover remember what they say at some martial arts schools "if you want to be the champion, don't get trained by the champion. Get trained by the one who trained the champion". So if Queen in some songs sounds like Deep Purple or whatever it can be that both were infuenced by the same one, more than each other. Anyway, brothers are more similar between them than compared to their parents, in most cases. I only find two Queen songs Zeppelin-esque: Son & Daughter, and Modern Times. Bo Rhap is very different to Stairway in specific details - harmony, rhythm... - although they're both acyclic pieces, and have that arrangement detail one of you mentioned earlier. Even though none of them come back to the beginning. The reprise of Bo Rhap is another down-beat section but it's different to the previous ballad section, the key and the chords are different. The outro reference in Stairway to the verses of the song is very creative. Both Page & Brian had mean influences in Hendrix, so that can explain a lot too. Roger has said a lot of times that his favourite drummer is Mr Bonham. Fred said in 1975 that his fave singer was Robert. And that Robert had said he liked Killer Queen. Also Elton John. They were both in his white book because of that. In many details Queen seemed to be a clone of Led and that annoyed the press: the fact that both bands have their first albums as "Band" and "Band II", the use of riff-driven tracks in the first album, Rock N Roll and Modern Times... (both songs with piano entering late in the song, and similar kind of solo...). That played a lot against the band, so they're widely considered a Led Zeppelin replica, even if only 1% of their material is close to that band. |
| RainMustFall 06.07.2004 09:04 |
I think Queen were a little influenced by Black Sabbath on Queen I. The instrumental in Jesus somehow always reminds me of Iron Man... |
| FriedChicken 06.07.2004 09:06 |
"What Brian said is that he's the biggest Beatles fan" Maybe he said that aswell, but he also said he's the biggest Zeppelin fan |
| geeksandgeeks 06.07.2004 11:12 |
FriedChicken wrote: "What Brian said is that he's the biggest Beatles fan" Maybe he said that aswell, but he also said he's the biggest Zeppelin fanAnd according to NQ, not that I usually trust them, his favorite band is AC/DC. How many world's-biggest-fan titles does he claim to hold? |
| Sebastian 06.07.2004 13:13 |
I think your confused Niek. He did say when Bo Rhap was voted #1 song of the Millennium that he was the biggest Beatles fan. But as far as I know he never put Led as his #1. Or him as the #1 Zeppelin fan. Maybe Hendrix, maybe J. Lennon. Perhaps even The Who. |
| FriedChicken 06.07.2004 13:15 |
nope, i'm not confused |
| FriedChicken 06.07.2004 13:16 |
here's the exact quote: "I'm the world's biggest Led Zeppelin fan. The music, the way they conducted themselves, their whole management structure - they were the blueprint. Queen always used to play The Immigrant Song in soundchecks just for the glory of the sound." |
| Fenderek 06.07.2004 13:39 |
I'm not sure about "Jesus", but "Son And Daughter" could have been very well written by Tony Iommi and been one of the classic Black Sabbath classic tracks... |
| *goodco* 12.07.2004 10:24 |
as to Zep influences, 'I'm In Love With My Car' has the same type of hidden 'automobile/sex' innuendoes that 'Trampled Underfoot' had (also a '75 release). And, of course, 'Innuendo'. Mostly, you'll read critics comments about how Queen kinda filled the listeners Zep 'void' (if memory serves correctly) The artist who has influenced Queen the most: Alice Cooper by a long shot. joe and wife and dog+ |