| Joma 05.02.2004 17:54 |
I have a bootleg from 2nd night Wembley 1986 with a very clear soundboard recording (though a little too slow) with a version of We Are The Champions. Now there's a LITTLE difference to the dvd and cd version. At the end of the 2nd verse ('... and I ain't gonna lose') Freddie's voice cracks a little and he goes down, very low. I noticed the following: You can't see Freddie sing this on the VHS or the DVD, even the Freddie cam changes to a far distance right to the back of the stadium. Well - I'm very certain of that overdubbing. So has anyone noticed that, too? And why did they do that? It's the same with Roger singing the 'why' in Under Pressure when he didn't. I hate such things!! |
| Joma 05.02.2004 18:21 |
Now after cutting and listening I am all the most convinced. It's like that: On the DVD: Freddie's vocal ist edited from 'before the whole human race and I ain't gonna lose'. The 'on, on, keep on' is the real concert again. Of course the edited line sounds better and is sung stronger. That's it! Anyone interested? The I might put the snippet online. cheers! |
| Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira 05.02.2004 21:40 |
Yes, official releases often are overdubbed. The first time I noticed something like that, though, was not an overdub. In the Rock in Rio VHS, in hammer to fall, when Freddie sings "it's going to faaaaaall" he goes way out of tune, but his voice was lowered down in the final mix to hide that. I have a k7 I recorded straight from tv at the time in which you hear his voice cracking. I guess he was human, after all, despite of all the evidences that he was an inhabitant of Mount Olimpus. ;) Cheers, Ogre- |
| wstüssyb 06.02.2004 01:18 |
yea, quite a few wembley parts were overdubbed and remade |
| Mr. Scully 06.02.2004 03:31 |
The overdubs and edits are only minor. A few in One Vision, a few in We Are The Champions but nothing serious (OK, if you're musician, you will hear more differences I guess). |
| RMT 06.02.2004 03:35 |
I never knew they overdubbed Wembley, I knew Live Killers was a bit of a mishmash of overdubbing, and I heard that Live At Brixton Academy CD version was too. I'll have to watch the DVD now, oh well, I needed an excuse! |
| Kenneth E. Sandvær 06.02.2004 04:36 |
Is the DVD mixed from stereo to 5.1? or is it mixed from the master? I could read on some review that they used the stereo mix for the CD and mixed it into 5.1 because they didn't have the master anymore. I think at least the stereo mix from the CD and DVD sounds the same. But I do not have DTS decoder so I don't know about that. |
| earwig 06.02.2004 05:45 |
Well the FM tribute DVD is 'upmixed' from stereo to 5.1 I guess cos it cost less. Cheating though! Roger Daltry is definately overdubbed in the DVD and VHS after the guitar solo in I want It All. On the subject of the Wembley DVD - what is the full 'Rivers of blood' speech before Who wants to live forever? I've heard so much about it but have no idea what Freddie says |
| Harry_queenrecordings 06.02.2004 07:23 |
There are not just a few overdubs on the wembley 2nd night, it's a bit more then a few. The bootleg ''Flash Freddie'' has 75% the wembley 2nd night concert and you can hear in almost every song that some slightly parts are overdubbed, some parts more then others. It's a pity that the bootleg isn't complete. Overdubs(vocals only)as far as i know are on these songs: One vision Tie your mother down A kind of magic I want to break free Now i'm here Hammer to fall We are the champions Also only the ''music'' parts are overdubbed in some songs like Hammer to fall on brian's guitar. It's maybe a bit stupid but i listen more the Mannheim 86 concert instead of the wembley one because of those damn overdubs. I like to hear the 100% real thing but besides that wembley is sure a wonderful concert. |
| Mr. Scully 06.02.2004 07:35 |
I will listen to Wembley this weekend and we'll see. But I know for sure Freddie's voice wasn't bad at Wembley. Most concerts in 1984-1985 were worse. |
| Hank H. 06.02.2004 08:42 |
And to my mind IWTBF still sounds shit, despite the overdubs. |
| Joma 07.02.2004 12:36 |
That's true, I adore the Mannheim concert (and it was only 30 miles away from my home town). But next question (for all those Magic Tour experts): From what date is the overdub in We Are The Champions??? |
| wstüssyb 07.02.2004 16:13 |
From what date is the overdub in We Are The Champions??? To me it sounds from Belguim show(IMO of course), the voice is high, it has to be from one of the first shows. |
| Harry_queenrecordings 08.02.2004 08:57 |
Some say that the overdubs are coming from other dates like brussels 86 but i think they are made in the studio. If i am right then the wembley gig should be released in 1987 and not the budapest 86, because of some reasons( i don't know which ones) the budapest 86 was released instead the wembley one so its possible that freddie made the overdubs for the wembley gig in the studio.. The brussels 86 bootleg is ofcourse not a clear recording and you can't compare it perfect but still they are different then the wembley overdubs if you just look to the song One vision |
| wstüssyb 08.02.2004 14:18 |
yea, it's not clear, none of the ealry shows are very clear, sweden,belgium,leiden none come close in sound compared to what Wembley has, we will never know I dont know about it being done in the studio, as you will recall that they aired wembley after it was played, i doubt freddie went back and re did the vocals, I have seen the wembley that was Aired on MTV it's about the same as the tape, but with commercials. |
| sbazb 08.02.2004 15:00 |
The overdubs would have been done fairly soon after the concert happened as it was shown on Channel 4 show "The Tube" not long after. |
| Joma 09.02.2004 00:43 |
Paris is an early show of that tour and Freddie goes down at We Are The Champions, same position as mentioned above in Wembley. And the next date, Mannheim, he goes very etchy up in the first verse. I don't think it matters if it's an early show or not. More the mood or health (throat) state of Freddie. Or temperature or air quality (sounds ridiculous, I know, but may be). |
| teleport8 17.09.2005 00:20 |
I also noticed that at the beginning of the last verse when Freddie sings "We are the champions" you hear Roger sing "of the world" as the end of the verse before. You also see him play drums at that time, but not sing. |
| Winter Land Man 17.09.2005 04:31 |
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| shanemcd 23.09.2005 14:23 |
Its a very high song to sing and coming at the end of a performance I'm not surprised he may have difficulty reaching a note like that ! |
| JDL2nd 25.09.2005 14:39 |
teleport8 wrote: I also noticed that at the beginning of the last verse when Freddie sings "We are the champions" you hear Roger sing "of the world" as the end of the verse before. You also see him play drums at that time, but not sing.Yeah, I noticed that too. |
| ANAGRAMER 26.09.2005 15:03 |
want overdubs - watch the We will rock you concert from Montreal - don't think there's much of the original vocal on it at all |
| NOTWMEDDLE 26.09.2005 17:01 |
If you want an album which claims is live but isn't go for KISS Alive which was a studio album with crowd noises added on. When I heard that my love of KISS slowly but surely died! I can't listen to them anymore the same as I used to. Also, the sales of Alive are not 4 million in the US it is only Gold! Pink Floyd's Delicate Sound of Thunder, PULSE and Is There Anybody Out There, on the other hand, had fixing in the studio but the fixing came from pulling parts from different shows as David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Roger Waters and Rick Wright refused to re-record anything in the studio. Also, Pulse and Is There Anybody Out There co-producer/engineer James Guthrie said "thanks to Pro-tools we could take parts from other shows and put them into performances we want released and no one came in during the mixing to record anything" as the PULSE album was recorded during the whole European leg on Pink Floyd's 1994 tour and Is There Anybody Out There was recorded from the 1980/81 Wall performances at London's Earls Court. During the mixing sessions of PULSE, David Gilmour and his wife Polly Samson had their first child together son Joseph so Dave was spending time with family. Nick Mason went off to do auto racing events and Rick Wright went off sailing in the Mediterranean. Pro-tools today can work wonders whereas in the 1970s re-recording in the studio was the only way to go! |
| Suigi 26.09.2005 20:25 |
Two words: Who cares? If Ashlee Simpson can lip-sync an entire performance AND still be popular, a few overdubbed sour notes over a 16-year live career are easily forgiven. We love ya, Frederator. ;) |
| NOTWMEDDLE 27.09.2005 14:23 |
Suigi wrote: Two words: Who cares? If Ashlee Simpson can lip-sync an entire performance AND still be popular, a few overdubbed sour notes over a 16-year live career are easily forgiven. We love ya, Frederator. ;)She got BOOED by 72,000 at The Orange Bowl for her infamous SNL miming gig! Her sales came crashing down! |
| zagor 27.09.2005 18:25 |
NOTWMEDDLE wrote: If you want an album which claims is live but isn't go for KISS Alive which was a studio album with crowd noises added on. When I heard that my love of KISS slowly but surely died! I can't listen to them anymore the same as I used to. Also, the sales of Alive are not 4 million in the US it is only Gold!Man, you should know that Kiss WAS a very very good live band!!!! Haven't you heard anything apart "Kiss Alive"??? |