Chinwonder2 05.03.2020 13:10 |
Hello everyone, So a couple of years back, QZ user 'Bullub' created a compilation and merged together all the available Bob Harris footage that was shot for an upcoming documentary for the Old Grey Whistle Test. That post can be found here: link Since then, new clips have appeared on the 2017 (40th anniversary docs on NOTW) and in the Bejart Ballet (which I forgot to include in this version of the video). I decided to update and also fix up they're original video and I'm presenting it here first so that I can get some feedback before sharing it properly. -Chin |
The Real Wizard 05.03.2020 16:46 |
Brilliant job. At 52:53 the tape actually plays back a bit too slowly - the rehearsal audio ends up sounding a semitone too low. Apart from that it all seems great to me. 56:34 is Sleeping On The Sidewalk - great catch. |
Chinwonder2 05.03.2020 16:51 |
Yeah, someone else pointed that out to me already and the new version is exporting now. I’ve also added photos to fill the gaps of the long, blank segments. Also, made new intro credits for the title. -Chin |
pittrek 05.03.2020 18:32 |
Hi, I'm watching this version and are you sure about the identification of the tour shots? I was under the impression (not sure why) that Freddie in his white/silver/whatever "jacket" is Houston and Freddie in his brown/black/depends-on-the-source "jacket" is The Omni in Atlanta. Not sure if it's correct, but it made sense to me. However in your Omni segment (I am watching it right now), you first have Freddie in his "white" "jacket" around 1:02:40, then a few seconds later around 1:02:57 you see him in the black one, and in the right next shot starting at 1:02:58 he has the "white" jacket on again |
The Real Wizard 05.03.2020 18:55 |
Pittrek is correct. @ 1:02:59 it's the rehearsals at Shepperton Studios. Mercury and the lighting director Joe Trovato are discussing the lights, and that's not something that would happen mid-tour. Compare it to 53:30 - that's the same room. |
dave76 05.03.2020 19:01 |
Such a bloody shame that we never got to see the full things which i'm sure contains hours of outtakes. This could be one of the best documentaries made of the band up to 1977. So that you making this is a nice gesture. I\m sure it was alot of work because tons of documentaries features clips of the Bob Harris doc. The Magic Years, Champions Of The World (although credited as 1973), Days Of Our Lives, From Rags To Rhapsody, Rocks The World. i'm sure i'm forgetting a few. |
pittrek 05.03.2020 19:14 |
I noticed again something strange - when "Dave" leaves the stage with Freddie, his shirt is black, e.g.1:19:00 . When they cut to the next shot, at 1:19:09, the film quality changes and "Dave" has a blue shirt on. When the video cuts again to the next shot, to the bad quality shot, Dave has again a black shirt on. However it looks like nothing else is different, right? So what is it - different lighting / different film stock / different colour correction during the scanning? Or a time jump? I'm just trying to put everything in chronological order, and the scene in which he has the blue shirt doesn't fit anywhere else, do bands not usually go directly to their dressing room to get rid of the sweaty clothes? |
Chinwonder2 05.03.2020 19:16 |
Thanks for all your input guys, really appreciate it. By any chance does anyone know where I could get more of the audio recordings done by Andrew Perry, it's the really clear audio from the SIS 2011 exhibition. I took the audio from this YouTube video to sync up with Leo Pelz's footage: -Chin |
Chinwonder2 05.03.2020 19:28 |
Also yeah, feel free to comb through and work out the chronological order of stuff. It’s one of those cases where I’ve looked at the footage too much, so I need a fresh pair of eyes to give it the once over haha. -Chin |
The Real Wizard 05.03.2020 20:20 |
pittrek wrote: I noticed again something strange - when "Dave" leaves the stage with Freddie, his shirt is black, e.g.1:19:00 . When they cut to the next shot, at 1:19:09, the film quality changes and "Dave" has a blue shirt on. When the video cuts again to the next shot, to the bad quality shot, Dave has again a black shirt on.Good catch - one is short sleeved, one is long. So clearly it's two different nights. We'll probably never know everything about this footage. |
pittrek 05.03.2020 20:33 |
Also one quick note to Chin - the concert footage is the same(?) in both of the 2017 documentaries (American Dream / Rock the World). One of the documentaries has the "fake" song titles (Spread Your Wings, It's Late etc.) on screen, the other one doesn't. You might consider switching to the other source for the shots with the wrong song titles |
Bul 05.03.2020 20:45 |
Nice |
The Real Wizard 05.03.2020 21:04 |
pittrek wrote: Also one quick note to Chin - the concert footage is the same(?) in both of the 2017 documentaries (American Dream / Rock the World).It is, more or less. But the TV version in HD is better quality than the DVD, and there's a bit more of the live Get Down Make Love in one of them instead of the Shepperton rehearsal footage. |
kosimodo 05.03.2020 22:26 |
Just a thx from me. It was a vers enjoyable thursdayevening :) |
Fan76 06.03.2020 04:30 |
Thank you Chinwonder2. |
Makka 06.03.2020 05:03 |
This is brilliant ChinWonder. Thanks so much for your efforts in putting this together. |
HelloDelilah 06.03.2020 06:20 |
Thank you, Chinwonder, for your expertise in putting all of this together. We all appreciate your time and effort. |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 12:02 |
Just to clarify and so I'm not being stupid, these are the bits you're referring to. To your knowledge, this is Houston: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f01b/qmdjz0lp60q65304g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> This is Atlanta: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/af48/ahil6gfpoi24g5w4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> And this is in the Shepperton Studios: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f097/1blrslsdaoouegc4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> So that would mean this footage is in Houston to: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/961e/buoo4ze2eeol0or4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Also, now that this has been pointed out, the footage of the band entering the dressing room is actually Atlanta? https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/3ff2/u7rfnew1iiqqe644g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> This throws a bit of a spanner in the works, because we don't know exactly which nights they filmed what in, it'll be impossible to know where each shot is taken from. Unless some in-depth sleuthing is done. -Chin |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 12:21 |
Just picked up on something here, there's a very small clip of colour of the 'Atlanta' soundcheck, and Freddie's wearing that same brown jacket. https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4731/1bg2egnrygpmrq94g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> However, in the background of one of the shots, you can see some sort of camera. https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/303e/sd9n27uvm9ng23u4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/827c/x35mlmw51mi6ts14g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Now, is this Houston? haha. -Chin |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 12:49 |
Also again (sorry for the spam of replies), during the GSTQ clip which is 100% from Houston, Dave is in a black shirt walking Freddie down the corridor, whereas before he's in the white shirt in the dressing room, here's a few more screenshots of what I think, let me know your thoughts: During the dressing room (white T-Shirt): https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/76bc/7dag9y0ixvb9zpo4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> This one is 100% from Houston: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6f72/pxagtkxiya4dz7r4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Dave & Freddie down the corridor with a dark blue/navy jumper: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b122/libj8953xabyrl74g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Dressing room after the show with Dave in a white T-Shirt: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4dcc/9ug5u5sqcs40b8o4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Dave blowdrying Freddie's hair which is from Houston as he's wearing the same black T-Shirt and cream/white trousers from the GSTQ shot: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b8c0/l4f5r3e4rj2ktz14g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> So from what I can see, there are 3 different nights here, so one is possibly Atlanta, one is 100% Houston and the other is maybe Fort Worth or Las Vegas? Guesses are Blue jumper (the very short clip) = Atlanta White T-Shirt = Fort Worth (or Las Vegas?) Black T-Shirt = Houston 100% -Chin |
pittrek 06.03.2020 13:01 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Just picked up on something here, there's a very small clip of colour of the 'Atlanta' soundcheck, and Freddie's wearing that same brown jacket. https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4731/1bg2egnrygpmrq94g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> However, in the background of one of the shots, you can see some sort of camera. https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/303e/sd9n27uvm9ng23u4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/827c/x35mlmw51mi6ts14g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Now, is this Houston? haha. -ChinBack in 2011 this was reported to be Houston, but in the 2017 documentaries it was suddenly The Omni. I never understood why |
pittrek 06.03.2020 13:04 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Also again (sorry for the spam of replies), during the GSTQ clip which is 100% from Houston, Dave is in a black shirt walking Freddie down the corridor, whereas before he's in the white shirt in the dressing room, here's a few more screenshots of what I think, let me know your thoughts: During the dressing room (white T-Shirt): https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/76bc/7dag9y0ixvb9zpo4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> This one is 100% from Houston: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6f72/pxagtkxiya4dz7r4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Dave & Freddie down the corridor with a dark blue/navy jumper: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b122/libj8953xabyrl74g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Dressing room after the show with Dave in a white T-Shirt: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/4dcc/9ug5u5sqcs40b8o4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Dave blowdrying Freddie's hair which is from Houston as he's wearing the same black T-Shirt and cream/white trousers from the GSTQ shot: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b8c0/l4f5r3e4rj2ktz14g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> So from what I can see, there are 3 different nights here, so one is possibly Atlanta, one is 100% Houston and the other is maybe Fort Worth or Las Vegas? Guesses are White T-Shirt = Atlanta Black T-Shirt = Houston 100% Blue jumper (the very short clip) = Fort Worth or Las Vegas -ChinSo it really starts to look like the backstage footage from BEFORE the concert is NOT Houston (together with the bit of We Will Rock You shot from behind), but the backstage footage from AFTER the concert IS Houston? I love puzzles :-) |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 13:07 |
I'm gonna export a short segment (just the 'On Tour' chapter) and see what you guys see what I've done :) -Chin |
pittrek 06.03.2020 13:09 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Just to clarify and so I'm not being stupid, these are the bits you're referring to. To your knowledge, this is Houston: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f01b/qmdjz0lp60q65304g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> This is Atlanta: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/af48/ahil6gfpoi24g5w4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" />OK, this is getting fascinating. The SAME brick walls, the SAME fire extinguisher, the SAME people, but DIFFERENT Freddie trousers, and DIFFERENT Freddie "jacket"? They didn't spend 2 nights at the same venue, did they? Or can it be that one shot is from before the concert and one is after the concert? My head hurts. |
pittrek 06.03.2020 13:17 |
And I apologize - the title of this thread is killing me - "documenantry" - I know, I'm an annoying grammar nazi :-) |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 13:19 |
pittrek wrote: And I apologize - the title of this thread is killing me - "documenantry" - I know, I'm an annoying grammar nazi :-)Fixed haha Also, I realise I made a mistake there with the t-shirt analysis that you quoted. I meant that Blue jumper (the very short clip) = Atlanta White T-Shirt = Fort Worth (or Las Vegas?) Black T-Shirt = Houston 100% -Chin |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 14:41 |
Here's what I think it should be now, the video is still processing but it should be ready to view shortly. All opinions welcome! -Chin |
pittrek 06.03.2020 15:06 |
Looking at the arena, I think that the equipment packing is from a different concert than the soundcheck |
pittrek 06.03.2020 15:10 |
This is a photo from The Omni Coliseum - 2 decades later, but it looks a bit like the "packing the equipment" footage was shot there, but not the soundcheck link |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 15:11 |
Maybe the soundcheck is from Houston, which might explain the camera in the background. -Chin |
pittrek 06.03.2020 15:16 |
This is how the Houston Summit used to look like ">link link Check the "hanging bottom" (sorry, I don't know the correct term) of the second floor, how it's hanging above the first floor. Also check the position of the stairways and the position of the lights above the stairways and compare them with the second video at let's say 0:59 - I "think" - I repeat - THINK that the packing the equipment is from the Omni and the soundcheck is from The Summit in Houston |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 15:22 |
And also, if you look at the top of that photograph, you'll see a jumbotron like screen! https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8b3f/8sk9vqvtp0hsr1v4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> -Chin |
pittrek 06.03.2020 15:28 |
Also are you sure about the WWRY clip being from Houston? Didn't somebody (maybe even you?) compare it a few years back with the bootleg video and found out Freddie's movement is different? |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 15:49 |
Oh shit yeah, completely forgot about that! Freddie's movements are quite similar but are still different. So we officially have two different concert clips. It's gonna be next to impossible to know which night that shot is from though, without some sort of inside information, as there's nothing distinguishing at all. BOB HELP US lol. So the shot of Brian from the same angle is also from the same night but the shot of Brian as the solo ends is still Houston, correct? NOT HOUSTON: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/a582/9d24r868vw4jv8s4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/9301/ert2vl56o68o96q4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> HOUSTON: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7b23/rzf6w571edmumyo4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> (Same shot but zooms and pans across to the stage from the steps on the right.) https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f546/p9q8pqxml2u9bxo4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> -Chin |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 15:57 |
I've slapped that WWRY opening onto the Fort Worth date for now. Maybe we'll never know, unless more footage is shown :( -Chin |
The Real Wizard 06.03.2020 16:38 |
pittrek wrote: Back in 2011 this was reported to be Houston, but in the 2017 documentaries it was suddenly The Omni. I never understood whyEasy - because they don't know either. But I can pretty well guarantee that they haven't done the forensic work we're doing. |
The Real Wizard 06.03.2020 16:40 |
pittrek wrote: OK, this is getting fascinating. The SAME brick walls, the SAME fire extinguisher, the SAME people, but DIFFERENT Freddie trousers, and DIFFERENT Freddie "jacket"? They didn't spend 2 nights at the same venue, did they? Or can it be that one shot is from before the concert and one is after the concert? My head hurts.Let's not forget Dec 7 was a day off. They easily could have arrived in Atlanta the day before. They played two nights in Long Beach. Maybe the film crew made it to the west coast? We know they were in Vegas, and Long Beach is just five days later. |
The Real Wizard 06.03.2020 16:45 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Freddie's movements are quite similar but are still different. So we officially have two different concert clips. It's gonna be next to impossible to know which night that shot is from though, without some sort of inside information, as there's nothing distinguishing at all. BOB HELP US lol.We know so little. We don't know if they filmed two shows or ten. The best person to ask would be Bob Harris. QPL isn't going to give any answers. But who knows how much Harris remembers. I can't tell you what I had for dinner two nights ago, never mind something I did 20 or 30 years ago. |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 18:07 |
So what do you think of all these findings by pittrek and myself? -Chin |
dave76 06.03.2020 18:59 |
I don't know if it's footage from 1977 but in the end of the documentary "Rocks The World" we see limousines drives off onto the road. You hear or see text that 3 years later they had their number 1 album in America. If you change the audio from Bob with something else, is that a possibilty to add that bit onto the end of the doc? |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 19:12 |
Oh yeah, completely forgot about that footage at the end, will add those. Just looking, Freddie is wearing that creamy coloured jacket, which would lead me to believe that they are heading to the 'Fort Worth' gig. This is giving me a headache haha. -Chin |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 19:23 |
Just spotted another thing, these don't look like the same Arenas to me, so perhaps the 'Atlanta' Soundcheck is actually Houston and the stage crew packing away the equipment is actually Atlanta? Houston?: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0b2b/j3my64f7cgv04fq4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Atlanta?: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/724e/4thcuk6qru4comi4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> -Chin |
MemeOverlord69 06.03.2020 19:45 |
The packing footage is Fort Worth. The Omni is built much more like a polygon, whereas Fort Worth is much more rounded as in the image above. Just comparing seating layouts and parts of the architecture in other images of the venues from different events, I can pretty certainly say that the "Atlanta" soundcheck footage is actually from the Summit in Houston, and that the crew footage is almost certain to be from Fort Worth. As for the WWRY clips, god knows. |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 20:13 |
Here's an updated and hopefully, more accurate take on the footage. Ignore the titles for each section, I still need to edit those... -Chin |
pittrek 06.03.2020 20:23 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Just spotted another thing, these don't look like the same Arenas to me, so perhaps the 'Atlanta' Soundcheck is actually Houston and the stage crew packing away the equipment is actually Atlanta? Houston?: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/0b2b/j3my64f7cgv04fq4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> Atlanta?: https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/724e/4thcuk6qru4comi4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> -ChinI think I wrote the same thing on the previous page :-) |
pittrek 06.03.2020 21:11 |
Can I ask what are the resources for the sections starting at 3:48 and the extended "packing the equipment" scene? I don't think I have seen them before this thread |
Chinwonder2 06.03.2020 21:14 |
The extra scenes in the packing segment come from the 'American Dream' DVD & leaving the hotel clip comes from the ending of the TV edit, just before the Queen + AL WATC bit. -Chin |
emrabt 06.03.2020 21:25 |
I have nothing constructive to add, but i love this kind of thread. Reminds me of old Queenzone. |
pittrek 06.03.2020 21:27 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: The extra scenes in the packing segment come from the 'American Dream' DVD & leaving the hotel clip comes from the ending of the TV edit, just before the Queen + AL WATC bit. -ChinReally? I haven't actually watched it since 2017 thinking that the BBC documentary has all of the scenes, but in HD. Thanks. BTW I personally like the last version the most, I think it's as good as it can be without some more official information (or reference photos from the concerts) |
Chinwonder2 07.03.2020 10:26 |
Well, I'm currently exporting the full V2 with everything updated since you kind folks chimed in :) I've also remade the short intro that 'Bullub' created, just using the new HD footage and created a new splash text intro to emulate a real broadcast of it on the OGWT. Just for fun haha -Chin |
Sam99 07.03.2020 13:03 |
Wow, you really should work for QPL this really is great, is there a download link? Thank you |
Vocal harmony 07.03.2020 14:22 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Pittrek is correct. @ 1:02:59 it's the rehearsals at Shepperton Studios. Mercury and the lighting director Joe Trovato are discussing the lights, and that's not something that would happen mid-tour. Compare it to 53:30 - that's the same room.Yes absolutely. The other major giveaway is that the footage of the lighting truss being lowered is obviously not the crown but the lighting as rigged for rehearsals ad mentioned by Brian May. A small technical point from a rigging prospective is that the chains at rehearsal were flown using hand cranks, as the footage shows, rather than 1t or 2t electric motors which the crown used. |
Vocal harmony 07.03.2020 14:23 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Hello everyone, So a couple of years back, QZ user 'Bullub' created a compilation and merged together all the available Bob Harris footage that was shot for an upcoming documentary for the Old Grey Whistle Test. That post can be found here: link Since then, new clips have appeared on the 2017 (40th anniversary docs on NOTW) and in the Bejart Ballet (which I forgot to include in this version of the video). I decided to update and also fix up they're original video and I'm presenting it here first so that I can get some feedback before sharing it properly. -ChinGreat work. Just had a chance to watch it all the way through. Thanks for posting it. |
Chopin1995 07.03.2020 23:27 |
This is monumental. I wanted to do the same thing last year and I got tired by checking all the sources for the best quality etc., before even finishing it. I still have my unfishined project and all the videos, so I'll watch this version soon and see if I can add anything. Reading this thread has been very enjoyable and enlightening. I love this "sleuthing" threads when something new can be learnt. This is why I became a member of this forum. Thanks a LOT Chin and Bullub for your hard work, and everyone who contributed to this thread. |
RobbyBloodshed 08.03.2020 19:00 |
Wow, great job! I enjoyed this a lot! |
Chinwonder2 09.03.2020 07:42 |
Here’s the full V2 everyone, I’d like you all to voice your opinions on this edit please :) -Chin |
pittrek 09.03.2020 13:41 |
There is by the way this black and white footage shot (I assume) in 1977 London which was shown in Magic Years I - link starting at 8:31 |
Sam99 09.03.2020 20:20 |
Hi Chin, this is amazing is there a download link? Thanks again for your work and expertise. |
Bul 10.03.2020 03:09 |
Pittrek, I think London was filmed by DoRo in 1987 |
emrabt 10.03.2020 10:25 |
It's 80's footage, one of the Buses has an Advert for Tower Records on the side, which wasn't a franchise in the UK until 1985 when they opened at Piccadilly circus. |
pittrek 10.03.2020 11:53 |
Bullub wrote: Pittrek, I think London was filmed by DoRo in 1987Thanks for the info. Weird that they decided to do it in black and white |
emrabt 10.03.2020 13:24 |
I think it was to try and make it look like 70's footage, to fit with the voice over, other than that one bus there is nothing that really gives away that it's 'modern'.... Then we cut to actual black and white 70's interviews. It's DoRo being DoRo and faking what they don't have. |
pittrek 12.03.2020 09:35 |
I assume that Chin or anybody else don't want to colorize the black and white portions, right? :-) |
Chinwonder2 12.03.2020 09:36 |
I’ve no idea where to even begin with that kinda restoration, otherwise I would haha. -Chin |
pittrek 12.03.2020 10:39 |
It can be done (e.g. in DaVinci Resolve), but it's REALLY time consuming - you basically need to "split" the image to areas (using animated masks) which will have the same colour, but you have to select the color manually. But as I said it can take a really long time, you have to adjust the mask pretty often. I might do it when we get on quarantine, which our government is threatening us with |
emrabt 13.03.2020 10:42 |
Back in the 80's, when colorizing things like Laurel and Hardy shorts were the in thing, they used to do it by Fame by fame, but in very low resolution and only 12 frames per second. Basically painting the colour on to each frame, in a paint programme. Which is why they didn't use a very wide palette of colours, as each shade had to be the same from on frame to the next. Now it's done as Pittrek says, animated masks over each item you want to be a certain colour, it's still very time consuming and if your general rotoscoping ability sucks as much as mine does it looks awful. |
The Real Wizard 14.03.2020 23:05 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Here’s the full V2 everyone, I’d like you all to voice your opinions on this edit please :) -ChinThis is fabulous. Please post a download link to the raw file - this is one for the collection for sure. |
HelloDelilah 15.03.2020 07:13 |
Fantastic coverage of a lot of unseen footage. The film quality of some parts is really clear. I’ll leave the technical commentary to those with more experience. I’m sure everyone will enjoy it when it’s done. Excellent work to Chinwonder and those assisting!! |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 13:59 |
Thank you everyone for your kind words, really means a lot. But I now have another couple of clips that I need opinions on. These clips all come from the Champions Of The World 1995 Documentary of New York by the looks of things, and I need to know... 1. Do they come from the Bob Harris footage? 2. Do they come from DoRo's footage (which was stated in the last page, that those London clips come from them). 3. Or are they just stock footage clips. -Chin |
emrabt 15.03.2020 16:19 |
I'm not sure you'll ever find out with those short clips if it's stock footage or not, or a mix of stuff shot in a car and stock footage. I would say it's just 80's stock footage, the only thing i can see for you to date the era is the Taxi, it looks to be a Chevrolet Caprice, and it's carrying advertising on the top. If you can find out when the make of car was first used as a taxi (Rather than the checkered patterned cabs) and when advertising was first introduced on New York taxicabs it might help you narrow it down. |
The Real Wizard 15.03.2020 17:08 |
It may well be stock footage. Either way, it's very fragmentary and ultimately unrelated footage. The final product won't be any less great without these bits, methinks. |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 18:39 |
I finally managed to watch the V2. I love it. The intro is lovely. The WATC video shooting seems very authentic with the audience tape as the audio source. The band interview that starts around 27 min. is from Houston (according to Gary Taylor's latest book) so I'd place it later in the video to keep the chronology. And the footage starting at 1:23:41, isn't it from the departure from London airport just before leaving to US? I use Gary Taylor's book for the evidence. Look here: link 7:55 at this video, top of the page 102. Gary mentions Freddie and his whip and Brian invesetigating a gift shop. So that would be Heathrow? |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 18:43 |
Also I have this bit without subtitles put on the video, but with Polish voiceover, so it'd require putting the audio from the source you used. |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 18:44 |
Ooh thanks, I'll definitely do some investigation. I have Gary's book, so I'll have a look there! -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 18:46 |
And the first second of this video. I can't seem to find it on V2. |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 18:58 |
Suspecting how many hours it took for this video to be done I almost feel guilty adding any more work to be done :D But I think it's worth it. |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 19:15 |
Don't worry, I'd rather have all of these suggestions now than when the video is done haha -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 19:21 |
So I'm afraid I found another one, I'm not sure. The Amercan Dream DVD has some different bits used. At 13:39 there's a footage when they try to hide Freddie's hands behind a black "curtain". Again, I can't find it on V2. Maybe I just need to look once again. |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 19:23 |
I think it's at 00:02:11 of the V2 video. :) -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 19:28 |
I mean this part |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 19:28 |
At 2:11 on V2 I see this |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 19:29 |
Just a few more notes to check and I'll be done :) |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 19:34 |
Hmm, maybe I cut it out by accident. I'll have a look, and I see the page you were talking about. I should really get to reading the book... http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/f375/lhm5wp4b1dksgrw7g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 19:35 |
I just realised the part I'm talking about was used only on the DVD version. It's not on the Rock The World BBC version. |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 19:36 |
Yeah, that's the bit on that page I was talking about. |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 19:41 |
So all the airport footage should be at the beginning of the 'On Air' chapter, with the footage of Freddie signing albums? -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 20:00 |
I'm a bit confused because Freddie is wearing different clothes at the both airport footage (compare 1:01:30 to 1:23:50). The later footage (around 1:23:50) should be from London. That's what Gary Taylor has written. What about the footage at the beginning of the "On Tour" chapter? Was it after landing in New York on November 6, or maybe it was done after landing in one of city they played in December? Atlanta? Houston? Fort Worth? I have no idea. |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 20:04 |
Yeah, gonna be hard to dissect that one. But as you said, the whip bit is likely to be from London before heading out to the US. Also, I'm not sure what to do regarding the order of the interviews, it's gonna be next to impossible to figure out the date for each one. :/ -Chin |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 20:07 |
Hmm, not sure if this helps but at the beginning of the airport stuff, you can see a sign behind Freddie saying what looks to be 'Concorde Check in'. https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/3c12/ckwdnm7spplrn894g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> -Chin |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 20:14 |
Hmm, it kinda looks like the Atlanta airport going by this photograph, although I could be wrong. https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/1e3f/4bepd0k9wpbhllz4g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/7ac7/ekmirdzjiia9q784g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/6a78/w78iqc9y2ypbgj84g.jpg" border="0" alt="Simple, Free Image and File Hosting at MediaFire" /> -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 20:21 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Also, I'm not sure what to do regarding the order of the interviews, it's gonna be next to impossible to figure out the date for each one. :/ -ChinWell, the individual interviews were surely done at the same time, give or take a few days, so it doesn't matter. The order seems all right to me. Freddie and Roger were interviewed in their homes, John while being driven to the rehearsals and Brian at the rehearsals, so I assume you got it right. The full band interview (with Freddie wearing a mask) was done in Houston so it should be December 11. |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 20:24 |
You might be right about the Atlanta Airport! |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 20:36 |
After reading that bit from the book I came to the conclusion that I got it wrong. Unfortunately, I don't have this book, but I've read it all from the James Rundle's video. Sometimes the top of the page is cut so I can't see what was written. And this was the case with the page 102. Now that you uploaded a photo of this page, I can clearly see what was written. So it should be like it is on the V2. Freddie with his whip and Brian in the shop is somewhere on the tour. And the footage with David Minns, Peter Straker is from London. Sorry for the confusion here. |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 20:41 |
So, I don't have to make any changes then for now? -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 20:45 |
Hopefully you'll consider those 3 video snippets I talked about on page 4 :) |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 20:47 |
Thanks, I have the Queen Phenomenon bit in higher quality but I can't remember where from and thanks, I'll double-check that Bio doc for footage! What's the name of that doc again? -Chin |
Chopin1995 15.03.2020 20:52 |
I can't remember it! But it should be only that first second. I was taking the notes and timestamps of all the Bob Harris footage that I came across watching all the docs last year, and that was the bit I saved from this doc, so there shouldn't be any more footage that wasn't used somewhere else. |
Chinwonder2 15.03.2020 21:04 |
Oh just remembered, it's the VH1 Legends doc! Also, keep me informed of any other changes or footage you might find! :) -Chin |
Chopin1995 16.03.2020 00:04 |
Sure, so far that's all I've been able to find. The V2 can't get much better than it is! I sent you a PM :) |
Schmelvin 16.03.2020 03:19 |
That's an amazing job you did. One thing I noticed in V2 is that 8:24 and 8:35 are the same footage but the latter one is mirrored. |
Chinwonder2 16.03.2020 10:16 |
So would this be correct for that section? If so, then great spotting! This is how the QueenZone community should be ideally, without all the mindless spam, trolling and other shit going on. I really appreciate all of you helping and chiming in all of your thoughts and opinions of this video! :) -Chin |
emrabt 16.03.2020 11:29 |
In my opinion, the first bit, with them walking up the stairs is correct in the "incorrect" footage, As the sleeve of the jacket reads RAMS (Or something similar), and the"S" is correct here. The rest is correct in your "correct" footage as the wording on Freddies jacket matches the black and white footage, ITV obviously flipped it in their broadcast. |
The Real Wizard 16.03.2020 20:38 |
emrabt wrote: In my opinion, the first bit, with them walking up the stairs is correct in the "incorrect" footage, As the sleeve of the jacket reads RAMS (Or something similar), and the"S" is correct here. The rest is correct in your "correct" footage as the wording on Freddies jacket matches the black and white footage, ITV obviously flipped it in their broadcast.I second this. |
Schmelvin 17.03.2020 03:10 |
I think the whole portion of the 'Incorrect?' is correct. The lettering on Freddie's shirt should be on the right side. It's just mirrored in that B/W bit around 8:34 and the short bit of Freddie walking after that. |
Chinwonder2 18.03.2020 09:39 |
Hmm, seems to be of scrutiny of the footage. What should I do? -Chin |
emrabt 18.03.2020 09:51 |
~Use your best judgement, which looks better to you, Freddie grabbing the champagne with his left or right hand? It's your project at the end of the day so you get to make the decisions. I will ask if it's more likely to be mirrored in this one second, or the two after it. Are their any photos you can check from the day? |
Chinwonder2 18.03.2020 09:53 |
yeah, but at the same time, I don't want to have to re-render the video because something is wrong, that I could've avoided. -Chin |
Nitroboy 18.03.2020 09:54 |
Schmelvin wrote: I think the whole portion of the 'Incorrect?' is correct.This |
emrabt 18.03.2020 10:04 |
Well.... in the black and white footage the album cover is the correct way around. Overall it doesn't matter if you flip the colour footage or the footage of Freddie in black and white, it will all end up matching. |
Chinwonder2 20.03.2020 09:52 |
V3 is out, perhaps the final draft? Do give feedback, I won't bite, honest haha -Chin |
pittrek 20.03.2020 12:29 |
I didn't have a chance to check v3 yet (I will try to do it soon) but I have a small request / suggestion - would it be a problem to do a small "who's who" section? Something (or ANYTHING) which would identify all the people we see at every place they go? In other words do some extended opening or closing credits with all of the people? What do you think? |
HelloDelilah 20.03.2020 18:29 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: V3 is out, perhaps the final draft? Do give feedback, I won't bite, honest haha -ChinHi Chin, I just started reviewing and noticed these: 2:50 Duplicate footage “Basically it’s a participation thing...” 4:40/6:33/7:28 "My Fairy King 1973" caption 8:17 WATC Top of the Pops Airing Party vs 8:53/9:15 NOTW Launch Party I’ll try to review more, but I’m also working from home and may not get to it right away. When do you need all the edits by? |
Schmelvin 20.03.2020 19:50 |
The section around 8:23 should look like this. It's only two B/W bits that were mirrored. The shirt, the direction of the TV it all fits now. link |
Chinwonder2 20.03.2020 21:44 |
@HelloDelilah Thanks for the feedback! I've looked at the duplicate footage and the only reason why it's the same audio, is because that particular clip just so happens to have the audio from the video behind it. As the two 'Rock The World' and 'The American Dream' are slightly different, one has more than the other on occasions and this is one of those times. The 'My Fairy King' texts come from the Champions Of The World/The Phenomenon documentary. Previously Bullub cropped out the image which made for a jarring watch imo :). And yeah, I've fixed that, my bad haha. @Schmelvin Thanks, didn't spot that before, that's now been fixed! :) -Chin |
emrabt 20.03.2020 22:16 |
It's looking nice. |
HelloDelilah 20.03.2020 23:08 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: @HelloDelilah Thanks for the feedback! I've looked at the duplicate footage and the only reason why it's the same audio, is because that particular clip just so happens to have the audio from the video behind it. As the two 'Rock The World' and 'The American Dream' are slightly different, one has more than the other on occasions and this is one of those times. The 'My Fairy King' texts come from the Champions Of The World/The Phenomenon documentary. Previously Bullub cropped out the image which made for a jarring watch imo :). And yeah, I've fixed that, my bad haha. @Schmelvin Thanks, didn't spot that before, that's now been fixed! :) -Chin@Chinwonder2, I meant to mention that these titles are inconsistent from the same party. 8:17 WATC Top of the Pops Airing Party vs 8:53/9:15 NOTW Launch Party I'll try to review this further after work. When would you like to have all the suggestions? Thanks! Additional comments: 15:58 and 17:16 Video stops but voice over continues Interview on couch in living room with all 4 guys tended to be clear in color and blurry in black and white 38:32 - 39:11 Lots of skipping and choppy footage at BBC recording Duplicates at 40:12 and 40:19, 40:30 and 40:36, 43:03 and 43:09 47:20-48:32 John Deacon interview is clear in color and blurry in black and white 50:36 Choppy transition from color (Sheer Heart Attack), then to grainy black and white (Seven Seas of Rhye) 53:30 Title says "Voice of Roger Taylor" but there is no voice over; should be at 54:25 when his voice appears or take out title all together 1:00:34 "1973 Brian May" appears on footage as well as in earlier footage but didn't notate it Sorry if I'm being nit picky. I just want to help make it better. :) |
pittrek 21.03.2020 20:47 |
By the way the interview starting at 27 minutes was filmed during the US tour, maybe it would be a better idea to put it somewhere to the tour part? Just thinking |
HelloDelilah 21.03.2020 23:17 |
pittrek wrote: By the way the interview starting at 27 minutes was filmed during the US tour, maybe it would be a better idea to put it somewhere to the tour part? Just thinkingGood idea. It would fit better during the tour section. @Chinwonder A few more comments: 1:02:16 It's Late is playing but subtitle says Seven Seas of Rhye 1:02:51 Freeway driving in Cadillac; may want to add location and date; is this in Atlanta? Same date at 1:05:53 Fort Worth, Dec 10 and 1:13:05 Houston, Dec 10 1:17:08 Duplicate for a second 1:18:42 Stutter 1:18:53 Spread Your Wing subtitle while WWRY playing 1:18:56-1:19:43 A mish mash of clips from different songs; somewhat choppy 1:25:19 Split second of an older man appears 1:24:42 Seven Seas of Rhye 1973 subtitle appears with John Deacon and son Extras section: 1:34:06-1:37:56 Roger's interview in Italian is quite long It would be good to highlight WATC official promo spot instead of it being in the middle of all the extras. That's it for now. I give you credit for doing this as a living/hobby. It's very tedious with a lot of details and effort that goes into one video. :) |
Chinwonder2 24.03.2020 16:49 |
Ok, thank you all so much for your input for this. @HelloDelilah, I have taken a look at some of your suggestions and I thank you. Some of them I can't really do much about, such as the titles and such, but I have patched up the choppy audio and such :) -Chin |
Chinwonder2 25.03.2020 11:34 |
New version is up for more feedback. Hopefully, we're getting close to the final version! :) -Chin |
The Real Wizard 26.03.2020 03:43 |
@ 2:49 there's a cut and repeat. @ 31:26 the audio is four bars behind, as May is already on the diminished chord a second later. @ 1:05:39 the Houston caption says Dec 10 when it should be the 11th. @ 1:10:22 Nitrodrum once pointed out to me that this footage must be from another night (Fort Worth maybe?) as you can see the dry ice is still flowing when May goes on, but on the other Houston source the ice has already dissipated. And there are a few volume fluctuations from clip to clip, but nothing too distracting. What a joy it is watching this footage, even just to pick it apart. The fact that there is ten minutes of them recording and mixing Champions is absolutely monumental. But who knows how many more hours of it will just never see the light of day. I'd kill to see the uncut footage of them at rehearsal working out the setlist and the pacing of the show. I love how you can see the Races LP sitting on the piano so Mercury can memorize the lyrics. You've done a great job. A massive amount of work to compile it from countless sources. Guys like you, Chief Mouse, Greg, and Simon deserve the millions of views you've gotten on YouTube. |
Chinwonder2 26.03.2020 09:48 |
Again thank you for all your input! @ 2:49 - Throughout this compilation, if there is any voiceover commentary on a clip but the audio can still be heard underneath I have kept this audio intact, this just so happened to be the same audio clip repeated twice as both the 'Rock The World' TV edit and 'The American Dream' DVD have slight alterations. For any clips that don't have the original audio somewhere, I've just dubbed music over it :) @ 1:10:22 - So it could be from either Atlanta or Fort Worth as we know for definite that some stuff was filmed from those gigs. I'm gonna lump it with the Fort Worth concert just, as that's where I have placed the WWRY bit of Freddie, but we'll never fully know for certain what comes from where. -Chin |
Chinwonder2 26.03.2020 10:52 |
Ok, I think that's correct now? If you come across anything else, feel free to let me know, I want this compilation to be as perfect as possible! -Chin |
Chinwonder2 26.03.2020 22:23 |
V5 is now up for feedback :) -Chin |
The Real Wizard 27.03.2020 06:59 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Ok, I think that's correct now? If you come across anything else, feel free to let me know, I want this compilation to be as perfect as possible! -ChinLooks good to me ! |
The Real Wizard 27.03.2020 07:02 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: V5 is now up for feedback :) -ChinThis one looks good too. Feel free to post the raw file here as well ! |
HelloDelilah 27.03.2020 09:58 |
@Chin, Here are some corrections: 18:23 shadow and music playing over Freddie talking 18:40 a split second of a ballet clip (before Roger’s interview) 1:05:56 Houston Dec 11, 1977 Soundcheck etc 1:06:34 Wrong clip of Omni in Atlanta in between Houston clips 1:06:42 Soundcheck, Houston 1977 1:10:58 and 1:10:59 Duplicate 1:10-1:12 still has a lot of different parts of song clips That’s it for now. Great job with the video!!! Can’t wait to see the final version. |
Chopin1995 27.03.2020 23:18 |
I forgot to say that I like the fact that we don't see the pictures of the band from a completely different period while there's no video sometimes during some moments of the interviews. Also it's amazing to have some footage of the band doing Sleeping On The Sidewalk, even if it's only a few seconds. I'd add the address of Freddie and Roger's home for the interview inctoductions. Freddie was living at 12 Stafford Terrace, Kensington. I'm not sure about Roger. Apart from that, I don't know how it can be improved. It's pretty much as good as it can be! |
pittrek 29.03.2020 10:54 |
Hey guys could you give feedback to pma? He tried to do some automatic colorization, it looks "interesting" : link |