runner_70 21.01.2020 21:54 |
On a daily basis you get: Coins Watches in Red SPecial Designs Pop up shops you name it You rarely see Roger but May comes across as more of a salesman advertising for shitty products while his fansheep buy his overpriced crap products. The Queen FB site looks like a Homeshopping site not like a music site. Well - musically they haven't anything new or exciting to offer, archive releases are off the table so they sell subpar products for ridiculous prices. Who on earth is buying this shit? Oh how the mighty have fallen |
stevelondon20 21.01.2020 22:33 |
2 mighty rock stars with big pockets to fill!!!! |
runner_70 21.01.2020 22:36 |
But c'mon it is really getting ridiculous now don't you think??? |
philip storey 21.01.2020 23:08 |
I must admit it is a joke at the sort of crap they are selling at the moment Brian and Roger will do anything to make money.However ask about a "Live Killers Box Set" and its a different story ,"we don't have the time ,they cry".No and why is that because they are touring their Greatest Hits with that in my opinion joke of a singer.It's about time people on this site actually manned up a bit.Adam Lambert is not in the top 1000 rock singers.Freddie Mercury is the greatest showman and rock singer of all time,number 1.Freddie made Queen,Smile were going nowhere until Freddie came along and he turned them into something amazing.Another thing I want to get off my chest is the film,it made Roger and Brian look like saints,it put Freddie as the bad guy.The bit where RT and BM left Freddie's party saying its not our scene is a joke,they liked a good drug ,alcohol bash just as much as Freddie did.The crowning glory was when Brian,John and Roger let Freddie rejoin the band!! What were the three of them going to do ,give Paul Rodgers a ring to see if he was available.John was right in what he did and I respect him for that ,I am afraid we are left with a bloody shambles.I have said my bit,no doubt all the AL fans will say how great he is and its what Freddie would have wanted,i am afraid you are wrong.Queen died on that awful day when Freddie Mercury passed away. |
Nathan H 21.01.2020 23:25 |
I rarely buy any of the branded products - I've got the cheapest coin because I think it's actually quite good. But the thing you have to remember is that there are Queen fans who love collecting merchandise, just because you're not one doesn't mean you have to ruin it others. It's the same with AL, not everyone likes him (and I see that) but that doesn't mean you have to spoil it for those who enjoy seeing him live. Think about it, if Q+AL weren't popular then they wouldn't be doing such a huge tour all over the world - if your dislikes from the past few years haven't stopped or changed anything they're doing now then you may as well shut up about it. I'm sure we all know on here which ones despise, which ones love and which ones don't have an issue with AL. What is the blooding point of going on and on about it? |
k-m 21.01.2020 23:32 |
philip storey wrote: I must admit it is a joke at the sort of crap they are selling at the moment Brian and Roger will do anything to make money.However ask about a "Live Killers Box Set" and its a different story ,"we don't have the time ,they cry".No and why is that because they are touring their Greatest Hits with that in my opinion joke of a singer.It's about time people on this site actually manned up a bit.Adam Lambert is not in the top 1000 rock singers.Freddie Mercury is the greatest showman and rock singer of all time,number 1.Freddie made Queen,Smile were going nowhere until Freddie came along and he turned them into something amazing.Another thing I want to get off my chest is the film,it made Roger and Brian look like saints,it put Freddie as the bad guy.The bit where RT and BM left Freddie's party saying its not our scene is a joke,they liked a good drug ,alcohol bash just as much as Freddie did.The crowning glory was when Brian,John and Roger let Freddie rejoin the band!! What were the three of them going to do ,give Paul Rodgers a ring to see if he was available.John was right in what he did and I respect him for that ,I am afraid we are left with a bloody shambles.I have said my bit,no doubt all the AL fans will say how great he is and its what Freddie would have wanted,i am afraid you are wrong.Queen died on that awful day when Freddie Mercury passed away.I think you overestimate the power of Adam Lambert. Trust me, the general public doesn't really care who's behind the mike now, as long as it's not someone completely unbearable. They just come to the show, think it was great fun and that's it. It's not like they immediately put his poster on the wall. There's a huge psychological barrier to cross and all these projects like QAL, The Doors of the 21st Century or post-Hutchence INXS simply don't cut it. It doesn't affect their legacy. There's a bigger chance the film made a certain impact in that regard and I suspect some did in fact walk out from the theatre thinking that Freddie was a proper arsehole, but I think it's also too few to rewrite history and change the public perception. And don't worry, Roger came across like a proper idiot too, slightly homophobic, kettle-throwing clown. But you know, the film needed a few jokes, they just happened to be at his expense ;-) |
philip storey 21.01.2020 23:42 |
Iam not interested if the general public like the show or not ,the fan's who were there at the beginning,do not like it and don't go. |
rockchic65 22.01.2020 00:08 |
philip storey wrote: Iam not interested if the general public like the show or not ,the fan's who were there at the beginning,do not like it and don't go.What BS, there's plenty fans who were there at the beginning who go to their shows, you're in cuckoo land if you think otherwise. Don't like it fine just leave the rest of us who do to enjoy it, like Gen Z music fan said they're still touring seven years later and all the whining by a few fans hasn't and won't change it. |
PrimeJiveUSA 22.01.2020 02:06 |
LOL...EVERY "legacy" band is doing this kind of stuff. Bands don't make money off of their recordings anymore. This is the only way they make money anymore. Sad but true. |
Makka 22.01.2020 02:33 |
You do realise these are things they would be approached to do, not something they would instigate? They are in a lucky position to be offered these things. Bands don't make money from music anymore, they make it from touring and from merch so it's another outlet to make money whilst they can. And to be honest, if I was in their shoes I'd be running with the money too. They were part of the musics creation so why not? |
runner_70 22.01.2020 06:07 |
philip storey wrote: I must admit it is a joke at the sort of crap they are selling at the moment Brian and Roger will do anything to make money.However ask about a "Live Killers Box Set" and its a different story ,"we don't have the time ,they cry".No and why is that because they are touring their Greatest Hits with that in my opinion joke of a singer.It's about time people on this site actually manned up a bit.Adam Lambert is not in the top 1000 rock singers.Freddie Mercury is the greatest showman and rock singer of all time,number 1.Freddie made Queen,Smile were going nowhere until Freddie came along and he turned them into something amazing.Another thing I want to get off my chest is the film,it made Roger and Brian look like saints,it put Freddie as the bad guy.The bit where RT and BM left Freddie's party saying its not our scene is a joke,they liked a good drug ,alcohol bash just as much as Freddie did.The crowning glory was when Brian,John and Roger let Freddie rejoin the band!! What were the three of them going to do ,give Paul Rodgers a ring to see if he was available.John was right in what he did and I respect him for that ,I am afraid we are left with a bloody shambles.I have said my bit,no doubt all the AL fans will say how great he is and its what Freddie would have wanted,i am afraid you are wrong.Queen died on that awful day when Freddie Mercury passed away.Best QZ Posting of all time |
Queenman!! 22.01.2020 07:25 |
They indeed ‘smelled’ the coins with the WWRY musical and Bo Rhap movie and trying to milk these projects ALAP . |
Cruella de Vil 22.01.2020 07:32 |
On this and similar points, sadly, I have to agree. What valid connection does Brian have to any sport bar a jaunt in the country with a badger or fox, or perhaps cold plunge pool endurance marathons! Bollocks to this one. |
rockchic65 22.01.2020 07:32 |
Makka wrote: You do realise these are things they would be approached to do, not something they would instigate? They are in a lucky position to be offered these things. Bands don't make money from music anymore, they make it from touring and from merch so it's another outlet to make money whilst they can. And to be honest, if I was in their shoes I'd be running with the money too. They were part of the musics creation so why not?Exactly, it's not like you can go to the royal mint and say hey I want you to put me on one of your coins, some people have a very strange way of looking at things. |
Dim 22.01.2020 08:04 |
I don't want to be devil's advocate but record companies are making money from concerts, ridiculously shit products, compilations albums you name it. The artists have been paid in advance and give their approve to whatever.... I remember when the Roger's Lot came out, he said that he didn't have the box arrived to himself by the company, forgot to mention the Air extra cds with the interviews where also Roger said that was record company decision. Queen production have been compromised - sold to capitalism haha. |
oligneisti 22.01.2020 08:35 |
I am a bit ashamed to say I ordered the Royal Mint coin. I also remember the dry spell when you couldn't get any Queen merch. But fuck the Monopoly cause Monopoly sucks. |
master marathon runner 22.01.2020 08:45 |
Spot on Philip Storey !!! |
philip storey 22.01.2020 11:47 |
Cheers MMRunner ,its about time these deluded Q&AL fan's were told the truth.I remember being a 11year old boy ,playing Queen 1 non stop and being so proud to being a Queen fan.When I was old enough I remember going to the NEC and seeing them live ,god it was the most awesome thing I had ever seen.10,000 fans standing which was a record at the time for a standing indoor concert.My friends all know that I am a Queen fan and often ask who is the singer when I mention AL they look blank and ask who he is.There is so much Brian and Roger could have done after Freddie's passing,working on the music they had already made,giving us a album with the two of them doing it under their own names,not a Queen album.Solo work,albums,small tours but not using the Queen name.Some great Box sets and of course the Anthology which we would all like if it was done well.I fear that things are not going to change as Maylor are money mad and blindly think that AL is fantastic,the Queen legacy is being dragged through the gutter and it hurts like hell. |
Holly2003 22.01.2020 13:46 |
https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/music-legends/queen/?gclid=CjwKCAiAgqDxBRBTEiwA59eENzKDZnQ-4TO7iQTJ_8u4TQaweK2oJC7shd7YCwvAFNFgSw4Yya3nMhoCGvsQAvD_BwE They look quite tasty but not at £13 a pop. Must admit, a few years ago as an investment I bought about 25 of those Royal Mail Freddie (and Roger) postage stamps and they didn't increase much in value, so now they just sit there, mocking me :) |
snifflese 22.01.2020 14:45 |
How is this different from any other band that does exactly the same thing? CD's bring much less revenue to the artist than years ago.. I have seen figures in general, not specifically Queen, and they pay peanuts. Tours have lots of outgoing costs. The cost of sending all that equipment around the world (close to 20 huge vans full?) must be staggering. Welcome to the 21st century people! I am sure none of you give away your work for nothing. I also don't think Brian and Roger sit up at night and consider what they could be selling to poor diehard Queen fans to cheat them of their money.. I am sure there are offers from other businesses and demands from fans. I personally don't buy it, but the merch lines are huge at the concerts. Fans expect those things even if all you" pure as the driven snow" guys don't think that way. Roger and Brian work hard and if they can still earn quite a bit, more power to them! No one says you have to buy those overpriced tickets and/or merchandise, but many, many fans do! |
Vocal harmony 22.01.2020 15:23 |
philip storey wrote: Cheers MMRunner ,its about time these deluded Q&AL fan's were told the truth.I remember being a 11year old boy ,playing Queen 1 non stop and being so proud to being a Queen fan.When I was old enough I remember going to the NEC and seeing them live ,god it was the most awesome thing I had ever seen.10,000 fans standing which was a record at the time for a standing indoor concert.My friends all know that I am a Queen fan and often ask who is the singer when I mention AL they look blank and ask who he is.There is so much Brian and Roger could have done after Freddie's passing,working on the music they had already made,giving us a album with the two of them doing it under their own names,not a Queen album.Solo work,albums,small tours but not using the Queen name.Some great Box sets and of course the Anthology which we would all like if it was done well.I fear that things are not going to change as Maylor are money mad and blindly think that AL is fantastic,the Queen legacy is being dragged through the gutter and it hurts like hell.Hate to say it but this view is so deluded it could have been posted by Gerry. Relesing box sets could also be seen as a money crab, that was your view of NOTW box wasn't it? Like any major act they are tied to a record company who want to make what they can out of an artist, like it or not it's an industry that goes beyond the art of making music. Go to any gig of any size by anyone and there'll be a merchbstand selling vastly inflated T shirts, Hoodies, Beanie hats, drum sticks, programs, cd's cups etc etc, the list goes on ano on. It's how it is. You don't have to buy into any of it. . . It's not just this band. So what they haven't recorded an album, I can guaranty if they did and they played half a dozen new songs people would be shouting about the lack of old hits. Fleetwood Mac haven't released anything for years, but they still tour , Same as King Crimson and others. So what, people enjoy going. Your experience of going to see Q+AL was not good, you didn't like the venue, the show the transport. . . If everyone had that view they'd be playing to empty venues. They play to huge numbers of old fans as well as new ones and Adam Lambert fans, so what. People enjoy the gigs. The amount of moaning about them does nothing, you achieve nothing by it. You certainly don't stop people going and your criticism of what they do was loud and clear after the gig you went too. |
Man from Zanzibar 22.01.2020 17:40 |
Meh, who cares. They are milking money off the sheep willing to spend top dollar on the BS merch and stuff like that. Don't waste your money. I'd much prefer them releasing the juicy material from the Queen Vault, while working on their solo projects or Brian+Roger collab thing ("SMILE"). But it seems that the creative spirit left them when Freddie passed away and John later retired (sadly, looks like The Cosmos Rocks was their last breath). Yes they didn't want to be another "Journey" and play with a soundalike, but at least Journey put out several albums with new music since Steve Perry left. At least half the people if not more go to QAL concerts just to see May and Taylor again. Yes, the average Joe the Ignorant just wants top 10 hits and a can of cold beer, but the real fans would much rather pay good money to see them play the deep cuts of Queen and / or their solo stuff combined. But that will NEVER happen, Maylor's gonna collect their paper and retire first. End of story. |
Nathan H 22.01.2020 17:42 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Hate to say it but this view is so deluded it could have been posted by Gerry. Relesing box sets could also be seen as a money crab, that was your view of NOTW box wasn't it? Like any major act they are tied to a record company who want to make what they can out of an artist, like it or not it's an industry that goes beyond the art of making music. Go to any gig of any size by anyone and there'll be a merchbstand selling vastly inflated T shirts, Hoodies, Beanie hats, drum sticks, programs, cd's cups etc etc, the list goes on ano on. It's how it is. You don't have to buy into any of it. . . It's not just this band. So what they haven't recorded an album, I can guaranty if they did and they played half a dozen new songs people would be shouting about the lack of old hits. Fleetwood Mac haven't released anything for years, but they still tour , Same as King Crimson and others. So what, people enjoy going. Your experience of going to see Q+AL was not good, you didn't like the venue, the show the transport. . . If everyone had that view they'd be playing to empty venues. They play to huge numbers of old fans as well as new ones and Adam Lambert fans, so what. People enjoy the gigs. The amount of moaning about them does nothing, you achieve nothing by it. You certainly don't stop people going and your criticism of what they do was loud and clear after the gig you went too.Great post as it sort of concludes this matter. Every fan can do what they want. So, if a fan disagrees with something and they're not in the minority then they shouldn't criticise other fans who are agree with something in the majority. |
runner_70 22.01.2020 20:03 |
With the difference that the "majority" is delusional rubbish by those annoying Glamtarts |
runner_70 22.01.2020 20:05 |
Man from Zanzibar wrote: Meh, who cares. They are milking money off the sheep willing to spend top dollar on the BS merch and stuff like that. Don't waste your money. I'd much prefer them releasing the juicy material from the Queen Vault, while working on their solo projects or Brian+Roger collab thing ("SMILE"). But it seems that the creative spirit left them when Freddie passed away and John later retired (sadly, looks like The Cosmos Rocks was their last breath). Yes they didn't want to be another "Journey" and play with a soundalike, but at least Journey put out several albums with new music since Steve Perry left. At least half the people if not more go to QAL concerts just to see May and Taylor again. Yes, the average Joe the Ignorant just wants top 10 hits and a can of cold beer, but the real fans would much rather pay good money to see them play the deep cuts of Queen and / or their solo stuff combined. But that will NEVER happen, Maylor's gonna collect their paper and retire first. End of story.Well said! The Glamtarts will disagree, I would say 90% go because of Maylor and the QUeen songs. I have never ever heard or read someone who says "Who are May and Taylor? I pay my 350 Euro for a nosebleed for Lamebird" - also FACT |
flash00. 22.01.2020 20:25 |
Ah the old Queen tat some is absolute hilarious but I agree it's all over priced rubbish I remember that shocking rip-off teapot, Maylor must be pissing themselves laughing when they look at that crap. All the music is cheaper on Amazon anyway, I never go on Queen online or their kerching store. I have nothing against Al whatsoever except he's a drag queen fronting a rock band and the more famous he gets the worse he gets with it, he looked ridiculous in those big Elvis/Elton goggles at the press conference, most puzzling. The movie looked low budget for such a huge legendary band, also the weird Freddie being sacked and begging for his job back, which never happened, who's idea was that. I have a feeling they are close to not touring again, I could be wrong. |
runner_70 22.01.2020 20:43 |
flash00. wrote: Ah the old Queen tat some is absolute hilarious but I agree it's all over priced rubbish I remember that shocking rip-off teapot, Maylor must be pissing themselves laughing when they look at that crap. All the music is cheaper on Amazon anyway, I never go on Queen online or their kerching store. I have nothing against Al whatsoever except he's a drag queen fronting a rock band and the more famous he gets the worse he gets with it, he looked ridiculous in those big Elvis/Elton goggles at the press conference, most puzzling. The movie looked low budget for such a huge legendary band, also the weird Freddie being sacked and begging for his job back, which never happened, who's idea was that. I have a feeling they are close to not touring again, I could be wrong.kudos for your posting. Voice of Reason. Be prepared to be flamed by Glamberts |
Nathan H 22.01.2020 21:48 |
With regards to the movie isn't obvious that Brian and Roger said they only gave approval of the movie because they were worried that if they hadn't then other people would've done it without their say what so ever. Just imagine if they made a movie than just concentrated on the negativity of the band, that won't've been good from any prospective. Both Brian and Roger have said that they didn't have as much control over the movie they would've liked - it was down to the production companies. Several interviews prove this and their only credits was as executive music producers. Majority means to the millions of people who have been to see them live and have been hugely satisfied by the experience. I know not everyone likes AL but haters please don't make it out like every Queen fan hates him because it can be proven otherwise - personal opinions like this and pretending that it's the general view is incredibly selfish IMO. In terms of money, Q+AL don't make a fortune from touring as claimed by haters - a coincidence? As we should all know, Q+AL played their biggest American tour last year and yet didn't make the top grossing tours list (source: https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/metallica-and-kiss-amongst-the-highest-grossing-tours-of-2019/). Why? It's because they simply don't sell tickets as high as others. With this means they also don't make as profit per show as some artists due to their expensive stage equipment, extravagant design and large crew. It's been a well-known fact by Queen themselves that non of their tours until the Magic '86 made any money due to the amount they were putting in. It's different now as you have to make money as touring is the main income for artists now due to technology advances. I just hate it when fans say a personal dislike and make it look like it's the general opinion by everyone. At the end of the day if you love Queen but are a constant moaner at everything they do, remember you're a fan (maybe because of their music, their talents etc.) and stop bickering at them because it won't make any difference and it also shows signs that you are not a 100% devoted fan. |
Holly2003 22.01.2020 22:05 |
For any Queen movie to be made Brian, Roger and John would have to give permission for their music to be included. So they essentially had a veto over that. Without Queen music there would be no Queen movie. Queen CLAIMED they never made a profit on touring. That doesn't mean it's true. There are all sorts of ways accountants can show no profit, while their clients coin it in. The band's comments were directed as much at the taxman as they were fans. Don't believe everything you read. ps I've been to 2 Queen concerts, one Brian May solo concert, and one Q+PR concert. I've been buying Queen stuff since 1981. But I'm no longer a 100% devoted fan. You're young. I understand. You'll understand too after being a fan for a long time. |
princetom 22.01.2020 22:58 |
don't give a shit on what has posted before. yes. they are hungry for money. a FM would be, too. that what's it about, isn't it. a shame they're haven't some couple of new songs. it is what it is. sadly. . as long as i have had seen them in ... about 2016--17--18 ( = ?) on what they're doing. it's alright. would i have the chains to offer them more money. not it there would not be a "deep-cuts"-tour. . so. WTF ? they enjoy what they're doing. god bless. hasn't to be one cup's of tea. |
princetom 22.01.2020 22:59 |
not my mother-tongue. sry for typos ! |
PrimeJiveUSA 22.01.2020 23:49 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: With regards to the movie isn't obvious that Brian and Roger said they only gave approval of the movie because they were worried that if they hadn't then other people would've done it without their say what so ever. Just imagine if they made a movie than just concentrated on the negativity of the band, that won't've been good from any prospective. Both Brian and Roger have said that they didn't have as much control over the movie they would've liked - it was down to the production companies. Several interviews prove this and their only credits was as executive music producers. Majority means to the millions of people who have been to see them live and have been hugely satisfied by the experience. I know not everyone likes AL but haters please don't make it out like every Queen fan hates him because it can be proven otherwise - personal opinions like this and pretending that it's the general view is incredibly selfish IMO. In terms of money, Q+AL don't make a fortune from touring as claimed by haters - a coincidence? As we should all know, Q+AL played their biggest American tour last year and yet didn't make the top grossing tours list (source: https://www.kerrang.com/the-news/metallica-and-kiss-amongst-the-highest-grossing-tours-of-2019/). Why? It's because they simply don't sell tickets as high as others. With this means they also don't make as profit per show as some artists due to their expensive stage equipment, extravagant design and large crew. It's been a well-known fact by Queen themselves that non of their tours until the Magic '86 made any money due to the amount they were putting in. It's different now as you have to make money as touring is the main income for artists now due to technology advances. I just hate it when fans say a personal dislike and make it look like it's the general opinion by everyone. At the end of the day if you love Queen but are a constant moaner at everything they do, remember you're a fan (maybe because of their music, their talents etc.) and stop bickering at them because it won't make any difference and it also shows signs that you are not a 100% devoted fan.Damn...didnt even make the top 20! Beaten by Hugh Jackman even. I guess there aren't as many crown jewels to rob from the "grave" as was thought. It's further proof that "Queen" is still not, nor has ever been, a top-tier draw in the States unfortunately. Still second-tier even after the success of the film. |
PrimeJiveUSA 22.01.2020 23:58 |
Holly2003 wrote: For any Queen movie to be made Brian, Roger and John would have to give permission for their music to be included. So they essentially had a veto over that. Without Queen music there would be no Queen movie. Queen CLAIMED they never made a profit on touring. That doesn't mean it's true. There are all sorts of ways accountants can show no profit, while their clients coin it in. The band's comments were directed as much at the taxman as they were fans. Don't believe everything you read. ps I've been to 2 Queen concerts, one Brian May solo concert, and one Q+PR concert. I've been buying Queen stuff since 1981. But I'm no longer a 100% devoted fan. You're young. I understand. You'll understand too after being a fan for a long time.Back when Queen were touring with Freddie it was rare for tours to be profitable...for most artists. Bands like the Stones were an exception and they were able to charge much higher than their peers in the 70's 80's and beyond. Back then, the purpose of the tours was to sell albums. A tour was just as expensive(adjusted for inflation) as it is now but tickets were also MUCH cheaper(even taking inflation into account). I've read many books about the music industry in the 70's and 80's and it was rare for artists to make a profit from concerts...their purpose was PROMOTIONAL as the money was in RECORD SALES back then. Nowadays the exact opposite is true. |
snifflese 23.01.2020 01:40 |
So I guess they are not all that greedy when it comes to ticket prices and such!! There appear to be a lot more greedy folks out there! Foiled again, Runner, spouting all that fake news just because you don't like them. You also have to take into account the quality of the concert with all their terrific lights and videos and sound system. Brian said they were using the most advanced light system there was and I believe it, because it was amazing. You don't get a bare bones show like with some artists. You get your money's worth when you see QAL as they do it up to the nines! It is a feast for both the eyes and the ears, truly! I haven't seen anyone complain about ticket prices except on here. Most of the folks feels they got their money's worth and for me, it was more than my money's worth. Their shows are the best I have ever seen in every way. |
PrimeJiveUSA 23.01.2020 02:05 |
snifflese wrote: So I guess they are not all that greedy when it comes to ticket prices and such!! There appear to be a lot more greedy folks out there! Foiled again, Runner, spouting all that fake news just because you don't like them. You also have to take into account the quality of the concert with all their terrific lights and videos and sound system. Brian said they were using the most advanced light system there was and I believe it, because it was amazing. You don't get a bare bones show like with some artists. You get your money's worth when you see QAL as they do it up to the nines! It is a feast for both the eyes and the ears, truly! I haven't seen anyone complain about ticket prices except on here. Most of the folks feels they got their money's worth and for me, it was more than my money's worth. Their shows are the best I have ever seen in every way.Indeed...they put on one of the most expensive, advanced shows in the business and they aren't even grossing enough to place in the top 20 tours last year! Not so greedy. |
Makka 23.01.2020 02:26 |
FFS, they are musicians, playing the music they helped create. Brian & Roger have every right to do what they love whether you, me or whoever disagrees. Musicians play music. They perform. They are lucky they can still do it and pull a crowd at their age. Some people enjoy it, some people don't. It is what it is. They can't do it forever and very soon it will be over. |
Iron Butterfly 23.01.2020 03:00 |
The merchandise is so expensive, holy smokes. What makes me think Brian and Roger are money hungry is the amount of Queen music on TV ads. The Pepsi advert is when they sold out, IMO. To me, that was and remains tacky as hell. One of the worst things they have done since 1991. |
The Real Wizard 23.01.2020 03:59 |
Makka wrote: You do realise these are things they would be approached to do, not something they would instigate? They are in a lucky position to be offered these things. Bands don't make money from music anymore, they make it from touring and from merch so it's another outlet to make money whilst they can. And to be honest, if I was in their shoes I'd be running with the money too. They were part of the musics creation so why not? Vocal harmony wrote: Like any major act they are tied to a record company who want to make what they can out of an artist, like it or not it's an industry that goes beyond the art of making music. Go to any gig of any size by anyone and there'll be a merchbstand selling vastly inflated T shirts, Hoodies, Beanie hats, drum sticks, programs, cd's cups etc etc, the list goes on ano on. It's how it is. You don't have to buy into any of it. . . It's not just this band. Dim wrote: I don't want to be devil's advocate but record companies are making money from concerts, ridiculously shit products, compilations albums you name it. The artists have been paid in advance and give their approve to whatever....Read carefully, haters. These posts are written by people who understand how the music business works. |
kevin79 23.01.2020 04:06 |
I don't see them as any more or less money hungry than a lot of other bands, especially legacy acts. Heck, for the anniversary of the White Album one year, The Beatles released an expensive pen to "honor" the occasion. A lot less magical than the remixed album with outtakes in 2018. Heck, it's not like Queen didn't do stuff that seemed like a cash grab when Freddie was around. I'd imagine if social media had existed in 1984, there would have been plenty of complaining about how they released every song from "The Works" on the singles and they put collectors in the position of having to buy the same single four times to get all of the covers with "I Want to Break Free." Would I like if they released more archive releases? Absolutely. That's why, when they do, I support them by buying them. But for me, I have no need for limited coins, drum head replicas or the like. So, I save my money and don't buy them. |
The Real Wizard 23.01.2020 04:12 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: I just hate it when fans say a personal dislike and make it look like it's the general opinion by everyone.But alas that's what happens at an unmoderated forum like Queenzone where anyone who understands the music business and/or music history is branded by stepford fan moron types like runner_70 as a "Glamtart." These trolls in an extreme minority with their shoe sized IQs just keep repeating the same talking points over and over again and throw out insults and ad hominems hoping they will gain some kind of traction, but much to their chagrin the arenas keep selling out. And so they just keep shouting in their little echo chamber, inventing every reason in the world why it's somehow unjust that the founding members of Queen are still doing well, as if the people who spend their money on concerts and merch are being forced to do so at gunpoint. To any rational person it's obviously preposterous. |
snifflese 23.01.2020 05:31 |
That shoe sized IQ just made me day! I will have to store that one away!! |
Holly2003 23.01.2020 12:50 |
PrimeJiveUSA wrote:While the primary intent of Queen tours was to support album releases, that doesn't equate to tours not also making a profit. Unless you have access to the contracts, financial statements etc, and you also know what tricks accountants can pull to hide profits, then you really aren't in a position to take Queen's statements about non-profitable tours at face value.Holly2003 wrote: For any Queen movie to be made Brian, Roger and John would have to give permission for their music to be included. So they essentially had a veto over that. Without Queen music there would be no Queen movie. Queen CLAIMED they never made a profit on touring. That doesn't mean it's true. There are all sorts of ways accountants can show no profit, while their clients coin it in. The band's comments were directed as much at the taxman as they were fans. Don't believe everything you read. ps I've been to 2 Queen concerts, one Brian May solo concert, and one Q+PR concert. I've been buying Queen stuff since 1981. But I'm no longer a 100% devoted fan. You're young. I understand. You'll understand too after being a fan for a long time.Back when Queen were touring with Freddie it was rare for tours to be profitable...for most artists. Bands like the Stones were an exception and they were able to charge much higher than their peers in the 70's 80's and beyond. Back then, the purpose of the tours was to sell albums. A tour was just as expensive(adjusted for inflation) as it is now but tickets were also MUCH cheaper(even taking inflation into account). I've read many books about the music industry in the 70's and 80's and it was rare for artists to make a profit from concerts...their purpose was PROMOTIONAL as the money was in RECORD SALES back then. Nowadays the exact opposite is true. Re: Rolling Stones, despite numerous tours and hit records the Stones were broke in 1969. So they changed their business model for their 1969 US tour. They started making money not because of higher ticket prices (general sale ticket prices were equivalent to other contemporary rock bands, although they were one of the first to start charging higher prices for VIP seats) but because they insisted in getting a higher fee from promoters, to be paid up front. Not all bands toured to promote records: after Woodstock the band Ten Years After did 27 American tours in just 7 years. During that time they only released five albums. They toured not just to promote albums but because there was huge demand for their live shows. Hendrix was the same: after Monterey he was asking $50,000 per appearance, regardless of whether he was promoting a record release. It was possible to make money from touring, from record release, from merchandising etc. It's not necessarily one or the other. |
PrimeJiveUSA 23.01.2020 14:53 |
Holly2003 wrote:I stand corrected.PrimeJiveUSA wrote:While the primary intent of Queen tours was to support album releases, that doesn't equate to tours not also making a profit. Unless you have access to the contracts, financial statements etc, and you also know what tricks accountants can pull to hide profits, then you really aren't in a position to take Queen's statements about non-profitable tours at face value. Re: Rolling Stones, despite numerous tours and hit records the Stones were broke in 1969. So they changed their business model for their 1969 US tour. They started making money not because of higher ticket prices (general sale ticket prices were equivalent to other contemporary rock bands, although they were one of the first to start charging higher prices for VIP seats) but because they insisted in getting a higher fee from promoters, to be paid up front. Not all bands toured to promote records: after Woodstock the band Ten Years After did 27 American tours in just 7 years. During that time they only released five albums. They toured not just to promote albums but because there was huge demand for their live shows. Hendrix was the same: after Monterey he was asking $50,000 per appearance, regardless of whether he was promoting a record release. It was possible to make money from touring, from record release, from merchandising etc. It's not necessarily one or the other.Holly2003 wrote: For any Queen movie to be made Brian, Roger and John would have to give permission for their music to be included. So they essentially had a veto over that. Without Queen music there would be no Queen movie. Queen CLAIMED they never made a profit on touring. That doesn't mean it's true. There are all sorts of ways accountants can show no profit, while their clients coin it in. The band's comments were directed as much at the taxman as they were fans. Don't believe everything you read. ps I've been to 2 Queen concerts, one Brian May solo concert, and one Q+PR concert. I've been buying Queen stuff since 1981. But I'm no longer a 100% devoted fan. You're young. I understand. You'll understand too after being a fan for a long time.Back when Queen were touring with Freddie it was rare for tours to be profitable...for most artists. Bands like the Stones were an exception and they were able to charge much higher than their peers in the 70's 80's and beyond. Back then, the purpose of the tours was to sell albums. A tour was just as expensive(adjusted for inflation) as it is now but tickets were also MUCH cheaper(even taking inflation into account). I've read many books about the music industry in the 70's and 80's and it was rare for artists to make a profit from concerts...their purpose was PROMOTIONAL as the money was in RECORD SALES back then. Nowadays the exact opposite is true. A very informative post! |
Holly2003 23.01.2020 15:45 |
You're not wrong mate. It's just a bit more nuanced than the official Queen position would have us believe. |
runner_70 23.01.2020 18:24 |
snifflese wrote: So I guess they are not all that greedy when it comes to ticket prices and such!! There appear to be a lot more greedy folks out there! Foiled again, Runner, spouting all that fake news just because you don't like them. You also have to take into account the quality of the concert with all their terrific lights and videos and sound system. Brian said they were using the most advanced light system there was and I believe it, because it was amazing. You don't get a bare bones show like with some artists. You get your money's worth when you see QAL as they do it up to the nines! It is a feast for both the eyes and the ears, truly! I haven't seen anyone complain about ticket prices except on here. Most of the folks feels they got their money's worth and for me, it was more than my money's worth. Their shows are the best I have ever seen in every way.Your postings are getting sillier each day and you don't even notice - it is fucking hilarious. When I say QAL are crap and do not sell tickets (especially for the O2 shows in London) you come up with you usual "They are selling out stadiums everywhere". When it comes to them being greedy you use the argument "you see that do not sell so many tickets after all so they are not money hungry ". DO you notice something ? Apart from the obvious that you are plain stupid? |
snifflese 23.01.2020 20:37 |
Listen you cretin, you pick the only shows that are not really full yet. Every tour so far has been fairly close to sold out or sold out for all practical purposes. The US tour was sold out, this time around Korea is sold out, as is Japan and Australia. Europe I don't know, but I read somewhere there were not many seats left even in Germany. The first 5 shows in the UK are pretty much sold out, so you can't pick the outlier which is what you always do. It is 5 MOS OUT and I am sure they will be full when we get there. As to the second part, I have no clue what that even means. I don't see that in my post. You are the idiot always trying to outdo everyone with your asinine statements and faulty logic and your misguided opinions. You are an absolute joke on here and I wouldn't be proud of it, if I were you. You are the nastiest piece of work I have ever had the misfortune to find on a forum. Now aren't you proud of yourself? That is probably all you have to be proud about in your sick little world. Stupid is what you are and crude, nasty, bigoted and an absolute dickwad. Hopefully, you get the message! So, DO you notice something? Apart from the obvious that you are plain stupid??? |
runner_70 23.01.2020 20:47 |
snifflese wrote: Listen you cretin, you pick the only shows that are not really full yet. Every tour so far has been fairly close to sold out or sold out for all practical purposes. The US tour was sold out, this time around Korea is sold out, as is Japan and Australia. Europe I don't know, but I read somewhere there were not many seats left even in Germany. The first 5 shows in the UK are pretty much sold out, so you can't pick the outlier which is what you always do. It is 5 MOS OUT and I am sure they will be full when we get there. As to the second part, I have no clue what that even means. I don't see that in my post. You are the idiot always trying to outdo everyone with your asinine statements and faulty logic and your misguided opinions. You are an absolute joke on here and I wouldn't be proud of it, if I were you. You are the nastiest piece of work I have ever had the misfortune to find on a forum. Now aren't you proud of yourself? That is probably all you have to be proud about in your sick little world. Stupid is what you are and crude, nasty, bigoted and an absolute dickwad. Hopefully, you get the message! So, DO you notice something? Apart from the obvious that you are plain stupid???You are even too stupid to get your own contradictions you assclown. Once you say they sell out anything and everything. When it comes to being money hungry your argument is that they did not sell too many tickets according to the link and so they are not money hungry. Get it now ? Or need more explanation stupid whacko? You shouldn't smoke too much weed or crack |
snifflese 23.01.2020 21:27 |
I didn't have any link and I have no clue what you are babbling on about. That makes no sense and you are the stupid person, because only stupid people behave as you do. If you have a weed or crack problem, not my issue. Maybe that is why your ramblings are always so crazy. Now I understand as no normal person would behave like you, you obviously are a crackhead!! What great logic you have! How anyone can be so ugly 24/7 just boggles my mine. You must be a real charmer in your real life, but I bet you don't have one, as leopards don't change their spots! |
Iron Butterfly 23.01.2020 21:46 |
@ snifflese...ironically enough it was you who has said more than once that you would prefer it if people stated how they really feel about AL and Q+AL, without a bone or two being thrown. Thing is ,Runner is extreme and honest about how he feels, and no I don't agree with a few things he says, actually alot of it. But he is honest about his feelings which is what you wanted. You cant have it both ways. I could not imagine posting that some posters are a c**t, but then again, I couldn't imagine comparing a person to Hitler and the and the Gestapo either...you have no problem with the latter. I'd rather be called a c**t any day. I might just get called a c**t or compared to Hitler and the Gestapo after this post. |
snifflese 23.01.2020 22:27 |
You can be honest without using words like cunt and some of the extremely offensive things that he says. I am not surprised at all that you would find him honest. I totally disagree with you as he is a person with no boundaries and as ugly as they come. He is just on here to cause problems and keep the rest of us from having a pleasant discussion. His only purpose is to offend and disrupt. |
CM 23.01.2020 22:30 |
It is so sad they have spent 10 years being a GH jukebox. No dear Brian, Freddie would not be proud, just too bored. Tell old Fred to tour his old hits for that long. No more albums, no more songs, just new expensive lights and shinny jackets. They got a great new singer and they just waste their energy. You know what Brian? Cosmos Rocks is a perfect master piece compared to your Queen + Adam Lambert albums. Your zero new songs can not equal the bunch of tracks you wrote and recorded with Paul. By the way Brian, no problem if you spend another 10 years playing hits and selling watches. You guys can not be less fresh and creative than you already are. |
Iron Butterfly 23.01.2020 22:43 |
snifflese wrote: You can be honest without using words like cunt and some of the extremely offensive things that he says. I am not surprised at all that you would find him honest. I totally disagree with you as he is a person with no boundaries and as ugly as they come. He is just on here to cause problems and keep the rest of us from having a pleasant discussion. His only purpose is to offend and disrupt.One can be honest without comparing me to Hitler and the Gestapo. Runner is honest about how he feels, hey you got what you wanted. You sure didn't like it even when I said good things about AL about Q+AL, your own words you thought that was throwing a bone or two. You are one of the biggest complainers here about Runner...yet, you have nothing to say about what SweetCaroline does, except you always defend what she does, no questions asked, or even a thought. You actullay have said you are surprised she doesn't say worse about me in particular, as if what she has done isn't that bad. Comparing me to the people she has compared me with is much worse than saying the c**t word. Yes, really. If you are going to call Runner out, make sure you call your buddy SweetCaroline out too. We all know you won't call SweetCaroline out because "Glambert code". Sorry, you are coming across as a major hypocrite here. You can't have it both ways. You want people to be honest, and some of us are, but I guess that doesn't matter unless it's praise. You were even insulted I said AL was good at the recent Avicii tribute concert...not good enough for you. Did you read Runner having a go at me for that, big tip, he hasn't, but you did. Nothing is good enough for you and SweetCaroline unless it's all praise, all the time for and about AL. Yes, Runner has extreme views, at least he hasn't compared me or anyone else here to Hitler and the Gestapo. |
Saint Jiub 24.01.2020 01:18 |
Runner might be honest about his feelings, but his arguments are dishonest. His frequently repetitive mantra is full of hyperbolic personal attacks that stop just short of threatening violence. He does not care if he is being reasonable with his comments, he only wants to WIN by any means regardless of fairness to other posters. |
snifflese 24.01.2020 01:24 |
Icy, I am not being a hypocrite. I don't want to get into a big fight with you again, so I will merely say that you bring out the worst in Caroline. She never says things like that to anyone else. You are always on her criticizing and goading her. You can be perfectly pleasant with others and I do appreciate that and some of your kind words to me, but you don't act like that with her. We will just leave it there. Runner is nice to no one and his language and how he says things is not appropriate. I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!! |
MisterCosmicc 24.01.2020 01:24 |
snifflese wrote: You can be honest without using words like cunt and some of the extremely offensive things that he says. I am not surprised at all that you would find him honest. I totally disagree with you as he is a person with no boundaries and as ugly as they come. He is just on here to cause problems and keep the rest of us from having a pleasant discussion. His only purpose is to offend and disrupt.Speak for yourself, and maybe SweetCaroline. |
MisterCosmicc 24.01.2020 01:24 |
CM wrote: It is so sad they have spent 10 years being a GH jukebox. No dear Brian, Freddie would not be proud, just too bored. Tell old Fred to tour his old hits for that long. No more albums, no more songs, just new expensive lights and shinny jackets. They got a great new singer and they just waste their energy. You know what Brian? Cosmos Rocks is a perfect master piece compared to your Queen + Adam Lambert albums. Your zero new songs can not equal the bunch of tracks you wrote and recorded with Paul. By the way Brian, no problem if you spend another 10 years playing hits and selling watches. You guys can not be less fresh and creative than you already are.Good post. |
Saint Jiub 24.01.2020 02:16 |
snifflese wrote: I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!!Yes she has some spunk now ... which might not be a bad thing for a c*nt. link |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 02:26 |
snifflese wrote: Icy, I am not being a hypocrite. I don't want to get into a big fight with you again, so I will merely say that you bring out the worst in Caroline. She never says things like that to anyone else. You are always on her criticizing and goading her. You can be perfectly pleasant with others and I do appreciate that and some of your kind words to me, but you don't act like that with her. We will just leave it there. Runner is nice to no one and his language and how he says things is not appropriate. I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!!You are a hypocrite and that's being mild. No SweetCaroline doesn't say the things she does about me to anyone else, not even the one pister who said about killing herself or dying. She hates me, because she can't get her own way, and has lied about me countless times through the years, going back as far as 2014 here. She said herself she hates me and has no empathy for me. She will never be sorry because she feels and states she's never wrong, which is bullcrap. She has been wrong, more than any other AL fan or Glambert I've come across, and you lap it up and have nothing to say about what she does, but you say it's fine, and not as bad. Actually, tell you what. Runner has been kind when my father was dying. He didn't use that as a way to try to point score. SweetCaroline did that and more. Today I made the choice to post, in spite of how I'm feeling. Longer posts such as this one take longer to do, but I hope to be feeling better soon. You and SweetCaroline might think I'm the biggest bitch of all, but I wouldn't wish illness on anyone. |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 02:27 |
Saint Jiub wrote:Ow, it hurts to laugh, damn it, but lol.snifflese wrote: I guess you must be feeling better since you are on here again, glad to see that!!Yes she has some spunk now ... which might not be a bad thing for a c*nt. link |
snifflese 24.01.2020 02:52 |
Icy, your arguments are with Caroline and I don't want to get into that. Maybe we could just try to get along and just ignore the rest of it. How you get along with her has nothing to do with me and I choose not to comment about it anymore. I don't wish to argue with you either. I am so sorry that you are feeling so poorly, but glad that got a laugh out of you. If you can laugh, it can't all be bad! Take care and I hope you start getting better quickly!! |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 03:29 |
snifflese wrote: Icy, your arguments are with Caroline and I don't want to get into that. Maybe we could just try to get along and just ignore the rest of it. How you get along with her has nothing to do with me and I choose not to comment about it anymore. I don't wish to argue with you either. I am so sorry that you are feeling so poorly, but glad that got a laugh out of you. If you can laugh, it can't all be bad! Take care and I hope you start getting better quickly!!You have gotten into it, pretty much from your first post that you ever made here. I know full well what someone thinks of me, the worst of and about me. Sure, sorry and I disagree and disagree often but do I hate her? No. She hates me, she said that herself. There's that. Thanks, I know you can be civil at times. It means a lot |
Nathan H 24.01.2020 08:34 |
FUCKING HELL, it's several posters on this forum who started this debacle off on sections of the site. I'm not going to name anyone but if people kept their personal opinions of Q+AL to themselves or started a new forum to talk about their personal negative opinions then there would've no insults in the first place. It seems Caroline was posting on here doing what she loves and all it took for one person to say I don't like that to turn into I hate you, you are fucking awful person, which obviously took to her personally. She obviously didn't like it and was sort of being bullied, and of course it continued and more and more people joined in and it esclated into her getting more angered hence why she said some insults. And now, she's getting blamed for those insults even though it didn't happen first - she was blamed by the fans who said I don't like what you're doing in the first place. That just shows how nasty some people are, making their personal opinion more prominent by stopping others doing what they love. |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 09:03 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: FUCKING HELL, it's several posters on this forum who started this debacle off on sections of the site. I'm not going to name anyone but if people kept their personal opinions of Q+AL to themselves or started a new forum to talk about their personal negative opinions then there would've no insults in the first place. It seems Caroline was posting on here doing what she loves and all it took for one person to say I don't like that to turn into I hate you, you are fucking awful person, which obviously took to her personally. She obviously didn't like it and was sort of being bullied, and of course it continued and more and more people joined in and it esclated into her getting more angered hence why she said some insults. And now, she's getting blamed for those insults even though it didn't happen first - she was blamed by the fans who said I don't like what you're doing in the first place. That just shows how nasty some people are, making their personal opinion more prominent by stopping others doing what they love.She came here in 2014 from QOL to blame me for what happened elsewhere...and every time since, spreading lies, no other way to put it every time she was banned from QOL...and blaming me for bans of other Glamberts...that's how this started. What she claims isn't true, it's even been proven once it's not true. For the record, I've never said I hate SweetCaroline....because I don't. She hates me, she has posted that in the last couple of months. Maybe you missed it where she has said that, also comparing me to Hitler and the Gestapo. She stands by all that, and isn't sorry. That's the thing, she isn't sorry, or even willing to take back what she has said. The things I don't like about SweetCaroline, is her spamming and lies. Not the once have I ever said I hate her, which is different, world's apart how she feels about me. She will likely come here to say you are right, I'm wrong, and that I "stalk" her. |
rockchic65 24.01.2020 09:53 |
If everyone could keep the conversation relevant to the subject and leave personal name calling out of it the forum would be much better. Constant tit for tat name calling is pointless and ridiculous and does nothing but make the forum unuseable. Arguing an opinion about the band, the QAL collab etc is one thing but personal name calling is another altogether. Who want's to wade through pages and pages of he said she said to find a post that's actually relevant and worth reading. |
Nathan H 24.01.2020 11:41 |
I used to love reading what people used to put about the shows whether that was videos or reviews. But now it's impossible because of people continuing their personal opinions. |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 11:59 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: I used to love reading what people used to put about the shows whether that was videos or reviews. But now it's impossible because of people continuing their personal opinions.Actually, I loved reading it too. Thing is, someone says unless someone goes to see it live, opinions don't matter. It does matter. I'd be more than okay if a certain song or three was returned to the set list, but I know it will never happen...and yes, that's a shame, IMO. Personal opinions are one thing, how ugly it can get is something else...on both sides. Yes, I'm a part of it, but I'm not the monster here someone wants you to believe. Tell you what, I'm pretty sure I've annoyed the crap out of rockchic, but she's always been civil with me...something to be said for that, and kudos to her for it. |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 12:00 |
Sorry for any typos, I'm still sick :[ |
Vocal harmony 24.01.2020 12:18 |
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brENsKi 24.01.2020 12:27 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote:I'm not going to name anyone but if people kept their personal opinions of Q+AL to themselves or started a new forum to talk about their personal negative opinions then there would've no insults in the first place. .sub-forum title is: blue it does NOT doesn't say red does it? I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech...or go and create your own forum - see how successful you are. runner_70 wrote:But c'mon it is really getting ridiculous now don't you think???well, it's not at Kiss Kaskets and Kiss Kondoms yet, so they haven't quite sold their souls to filthy lucre, or crossed the lines of bad taste. |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 12:38 |
brENsKi wrote:Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but was there Queen condoms a few years back, or did I imagine it? Sorry for the question...it's not meant as ignorant.Gen Z Music Fan wrote:I'm not going to name anyone but if people kept their personal opinions of Q+AL to themselves or started a new forum to talk about their personal negative opinions then there would've no insults in the first place. .sub-forum title is: blue it does NOT doesn't say red does it? I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech...or go and create your own forum - see how successful you are.runner_70 wrote:But c'mon it is really getting ridiculous now don't you think???well, it's not at Kiss Kaskets and Kiss Kondoms yet, so they haven't quite sold their souls to filthy lucre, or crossed the lines of bad taste. |
runner_70 24.01.2020 17:32 |
Iron Butterfly wrote:I doubt that but it would be not very tastefulbrENsKi wrote:Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but was there Queen condoms a few years back, or did I imagine it? Sorry for the question...it's not meant as ignorant.Gen Z Music Fan wrote:I'm not going to name anyone but if people kept their personal opinions of Q+AL to themselves or started a new forum to talk about their personal negative opinions then there would've no insults in the first place. .sub-forum title is: blue it does NOT doesn't say red does it? I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech...or go and create your own forum - see how successful you are.runner_70 wrote:But c'mon it is really getting ridiculous now don't you think???well, it's not at Kiss Kaskets and Kiss Kondoms yet, so they haven't quite sold their souls to filthy lucre, or crossed the lines of bad taste. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2020 19:12 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: That just shows how nasty some people are, making their personal opinion more prominent by stopping others doing what they love.It's much easier to break people down than to build them up. This is oxygen to bullies and forum trolls. |
The Real Wizard 24.01.2020 19:14 |
brENsKi wrote: I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech." There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place. |
runner_70 24.01.2020 21:04 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Feel free to fuck off and never return sad shit stirrerbrENsKi wrote: I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech." There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place. |
brENsKi 24.01.2020 22:37 |
The Real Wizard wrote:yes. exactly. but my point is NOT about tone or language used - or even intent.brENsKi wrote: I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech." There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place. my only point is that where a forum is created say for "Deep Purple - Post 1993", then people/fans still have a right to join in and say they don't like it. It's just not practical to expect to create a forum "sub" where only positives are allowed...in much the same way that we have BOTH criticised Freddie's lifestyle. This may be heresy to some, but it's a valid point nonetheless. |
runner_70 24.01.2020 23:02 |
brENsKi wrote:In the German forum there is a policy that there are only positive QAL postings allowed. The admin there posted me in private and warned me if I ever say sth negative about QAL he would boot me. He did in the end. What a loserThe Real Wizard wrote:yes. exactly. but my point is NOT about tone or language used - or even intent. my only point is that where a forum is created say for "Deep Purple - Post 1993", then people/fans still have a right to join in and say they don't like it. It's just not practical to expect to create a forum "sub" where only positives are allowed...in much the same way that we have BOTH criticised Freddie's lifestyle. This may be heresy to some, but it's a valid point nonetheless.brENsKi wrote: I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech." There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place. |
snifflese 24.01.2020 23:03 |
Certainly you can say you don't care for something, but it is the obnoxious way that Runner makes his statements. They are often filthy and always degrading to the other poster. There is no place for that in any forum. Of course, people disagree and they can do so civilly, a concept that he doesn't understand. Did you see his comment above yours? I don't even want to write that down. You CANNOT justify that behavior. |
Iron Butterfly 24.01.2020 23:07 |
brENsKi wrote:If people like SweetCaroline and snifflese only want glowing things posted Adamtopia is the place to go. What do some people expect here? To fawn over everything AL does, that's what it seems like, if a person doesn't fawn over AL, there's labels like negative, haters, not real Queen fans. Seriously, SweetCaroline has conspiracies about Queen fans too. She said Queen fans wanted Brian Roger and John to die with Freddie even. Sorry, that's sick, far sicker than using c**t.The Real Wizard wrote:yes. exactly. but my point is NOT about tone or language used - or even intent. my only point is that where a forum is created say for "Deep Purple - Post 1993", then people/fans still have a right to join in and say they don't like it. It's just not practical to expect to create a forum "sub" where only positives are allowed...in much the same way that we have BOTH criticised Freddie's lifestyle. This may be heresy to some, but it's a valid point nonetheless.brENsKi wrote: I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech." There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 00:04 |
Icy, there is a huge difference between saying you don't like something and the way in which Runner says his ugly things. I don't care if it is glowing or not, it is the filthy, nasty way he writes. Look at the post above Benski, it has these letters, F F t F o and never return S S S. There is no place for that here and he doesn't need to say those things to another poster. Quit bringing Caroline into this. I am not talking about her and don't wish to because we will just argue. I am talking about Runner who has no place in any forum as he is a horrible human being. By the say, when we say positive things about Adam and QAL, it isn't fawning. True statements that the majority of concert goers are stating, is not fawning. |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 00:17 |
snifflese wrote: Icy, there is a huge difference between saying you don't like something and the way in which Runner says his ugly things. I don't care if it is glowing or not, it is the filthy, nasty way he writes. Look at the post above Benski, it has these letters, F F t F o and never return S S S. There is no place for that here and he doesn't need to say those things to another poster. Quit bringing Caroline into this. I am not talking about her and don't wish to because we will just argue. I am talking about Runner who has no place in any forum as he is a horrible human being. By the say, when we say positive things about Adam and QAL, it isn't fawning. True statements that the majority of concert goers are stating, is not fawning.Funny..or rather very telling you have no problem with what SweetCaroline posts, you actually defend her what she says about me. So please don't come at me bleating about Runner's posts. That's hypocrisy you are showing here. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 05:27 |
Her posts are not filthy or abrasive to people, only to you and I have explained why, but don't want to go there. The Trump and German references are because she thinks you always dictate everything and want it your way just like they do. I have no opinion on that, but I am sure that is her reasoning. You are always telling her not to do something or spamming and dictating what she may and may not post, hence the reference. To me that ts mild compared to runner's comments. YMMV. If you could quit bringing that up every other page it might also be helpful. You are like an elephant repeating this over and over. Everybody here already knows that. What is the point to say it for the 1000th time? |
snifflese 25.01.2020 05:28 |
Her posts are not filthy or abrasive to people, only to you and I have explained why, but don't want to go there. The Trump and German references are because she thinks you always dictate everything and want it your way just like they do. I have no opinion on that, but I am sure that is her reasoning. You are always telling her not to do something or spamming and dictating what she may and may not post, hence the reference. To me that ts mild compared to runner's comments. YMMV. If you could quit bringing that up every other page it might also be helpful. You are like an elephant repeating this over and over. Everybody here already knows that. What is the point to say it for the 1000th time? |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 05:48 |
snifflese wrote: Her posts are not filthy or abrasive to people, only to you and I have explained why, but don't want to go there. The Trump and German references are because she thinks you always dictate everything and want it your way just like they do. I have no opinion on that, but I am sure that is her reasoning. You are always telling her not to do something or spamming and dictating what she may and may not post, hence the reference. To me that ts mild compared to runner's comments. YMMV. If you could quit bringing that up every other page it might also be helpful. You are like an elephant repeating this over and over. Everybody here already knows that. What is the point to say it for the 1000th time?You blindly defend her no matter what. And you come to me complaining about Runner, as if I can stop his views. That's hypocrisy right there. You think I deserve what she posts about me as oh its not bad, surprised she doesn't say worse. That's the way you excuse what she does, you always have, and going by things, I think you always will defend SweetCaroline. Or try to defend her, all you do is make her look helpless. Does she get you to post for her something, or do you just butt in trying to make me look awful? I know you and I can get along at least some of the time, but your thing here is always to defend things that SweetCaroline does, not the once have ever you had anything to say other than defending her what she says about me. You have repeated yourself as well, so has SweetCaroline, have you not noticed that, or is that more hypocrisy from you? |
runner_70 25.01.2020 06:52 |
Sniff is the worst QZ member ever. No Queen fan a sad Glambert who cant do no wrong passive aggressive and shit stirring who cannot accept any criticism. She deserves everything she gets here. Ugliest Thing is that she wants longtime Queenfans who hate her idol to leave the board. Pathetic. Everytime I own her bringing up her contradictions in her arguments she is twisting and turning her words and is trying to bully me and bring other users up against me. |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 09:52 |
runner_70 wrote: Sniff is the worst QZ member ever. No Queen fan a sad Glambert who cant do no wrong passive aggressive and shit stirring who cannot Accept any criticism. She deserves the everything she gets here. Ugliest Thing is that she want longtime Queenfans who hate her idol to leave the board. Pathetic. Everytime I own her bringing up her contradictions in her arguments she is twisting and turning her words and is trying to bully me and bring other users up against me.It's ironic she says that when she hasn't posted outside of this subforum once. |
runner_70 25.01.2020 10:06 |
Iron Butterfly wrote:Because she has no clue about Queen. I guess she owns Greatest Hits I (and maybe II).runner_70 wrote: Sniff is the worst QZ member ever. No Queen fan a sad Glambert who cant do no wrong passive aggressive and shit stirring who cannot Accept any criticism. She deserves the everything she gets here. Ugliest Thing is that she want longtime Queenfans who hate her idol to leave the board. Pathetic. Everytime I own her bringing up her contradictions in her arguments she is twisting and turning her words and is trying to bully me and bring other users up against me.It's ironic she says that when she hasn't posted outside of this subforum once. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 11:41 |
snifflese wrote:Certainly you can say you don't care for something...And FYI I did not try to justify anything. My point was clear. People trying to shutdown negative views on Q+AL are muddying the waters. Objection to language and tone and objection to dissenters are two very distinct views - and should remain so. Gen Z Music Fan wrote:red brENsKi wrote:sub-forum title is: blue it does NOT doesn't say red does it? I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech...or go and create your own forum - see how successful you are.If this were about language and tone, that'd be different, but Gen Z is attacking the right to post a negative in the Q+AL sub, because well, everything in this "blue sky fairy-tale land", can't be tarnished by counter opinion, can it? Gen Z Music wording was very clearly trying to ban Q+AL gainsayers' opinions in the Q+AL forum, full stop. |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 11:56 |
brENsKi wrote:SweetCaroline and snifflese live in lala land when it comes to AL. It truly seems they want glowing things only to be said about Lambert. Especially SweetCaroline. I've seen her reactions when she reads a post she doesn't, ike, too quick to label people as haters, negative, not real Queen fans and that she felt Queen fans wanted Brian, Roger and John to die with Freddie...it's fucked up to be blunt. She thinks so little of Queen fans but comes to Queen boards to hype up and promote AL and Q+AL. I find her gall appalling to be honest.snifflese wrote:Certainly you can say you don't care for something...And FYI I did not try to justify anything. My point was clear. People trying to shutdown negative views on Q+AL are muddying the waters. Objection to language and tone and objection to dissenters are two very distinct views - and should remain so.Gen Z Music Fan wrote:redbrENsKi wrote:sub-forum title is: blue it does NOT doesn't say red does it? I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech...or go and create your own forum - see how successful you are.If this were about language and tone, that'd be different, but Gen Z is attacking the right to post a negative in the Q+AL sub, because well, everything in this "blue sky fairy-tale land", can't be tarnished by counter opinion, can it? Gen Z Music wording was very clearly trying to ban Q+AL gainsayers' opinions in the Q+AL forum, full stop. Snifflese also wants bans to happen here. She came here ranting about wanting me banned because SweetCaroline was banned from QOL. So she wanted me banned from both Queen boards. First post she ever made here a couple of years ago. |
Nathan H 25.01.2020 12:26 |
I do like opinions because I do see some of the negative things about Q+AL but I just think constantly saying them is causing some of the AL fans to say insults to Queen fans. I'm just trying to make peace if you guys we're stop now or at least do it less often then it would be much a nicer place. We've heard all of your points several times now it's not made any diffences with the AL fans or even the band themselves. I just don't see the point of insulting people to put the point across. I'm just trying to make this place a lot better. |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 12:48 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: I do like opinions because I do see some of the negative things about Q+AL but I just think constantly saying them is causing some of the AL fans to say insults to Queen fans. I'm just trying to make peace if you guys we're stop now or at least do it less often then it would be much a nicer place. We've heard all of your points several times now it's not made any diffences with the AL fans or even the band themselves. I just don't see the point of insulting people to put the point across. I'm just trying to make this place a lot better.Let's get this straight. No one deserves it to be said they should die which has been said about SweetCaroline more than once, by the way that wasn't me or runner who said that. Since Runner and I seem to be the Glamberts enemy. On the other hand, or one deserves to be said that they are like Hitler and the Gestapo which SweetCaroline has said about me. Guess what, she isn't sorry for it. If she was, that would make a huge difference. That's just one extreme thing SweetCaroline has said about me. The worst is when she had a go about my mental health as my father was dying, she said knowing full well my parents were ill, and one was dying, but she said my parents were healthier than me. I know she's not the least bit sorry for that, because she posted even more recently outright she has no empathy for me,I'm a hateful bitch, I'm heartless, selfish, and more. She isn't sorry or would ever take it back, or admit she went too far. Again, it would make a huge difference if she did. She has no clue or no care about the heartache she caused me when my father was dying. I spent every second I could with my father, I was literally with him when he died. She knew he was dying, thats the thing. A stupid AL video and song could help me with my grief she said after he passed away. What the actual fuck is wrong with SweetCaroline to have done all that?? It's mind boggling. I've seen SweetCaroline's true colors, it can get pretty ugly. I will never think she is as innocent as she wants people to believe here. BrENsKi hasn't posted for years until recently, and he can see right through SweetCaroline bullshit. I just hope brENsKi never faces SweetCaroline hate. No need of any that shit from anyone to anyone. But that's SweetCaroline for you when she throws a tantrum. You are looking at it from one side only, I'm afraid. And its obvious what side you are on. I'm not the monster that someone thinks and says I am. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 12:50 |
Gen Z Music Fan wrote: I do like opinions because I do see some of the negative things about Q+AL but I just think constantly saying them is causing some of the AL fans to say insults to Queen fans. I'm just trying to make peace if you guys we're stop now or at least do it less often then it would be much a nicer place. We've heard all of your points several times now it's not made any diffences with the AL fans or even the band themselves. I just don't see the point of insulting people to put the point across. I'm just trying to make this place a lot better.I'm someone who doesn't like Q+AL - but I wholeheartedly defend their right to perform. However, people have a right to disagree as often as they like - in much the same way as Q+AL fans can make as many positive comments as they like. I don't see you asking the Q+AL fans to stop repeating over and over their positive comments, wonder why? And why would you think people are "saying what they're saying" in order to "make a difference/change opponent's opinion"? That perspective either applies to both sides of the discussion or not at all. You need to take issue with people's tone - and NOT their right to be negative - as often as they like. If you'd read my post properly, you'd have (possibly) got that. But instead you keep banging the same pointless drum. |
Vocal harmony 25.01.2020 13:24 |
runner_70 wrote:But you're here posting with the same (or worse attitude) than the admin on the German forum. You don't think the current band should be touring, you think Queen ended in 1991 and you dislike anyone being a fan or who is a fan of the current line up.brENsKi wrote:In the German forum there is a policy that there are only positive QAL postings allowed. The admin there posted me in private and warned me if I ever say sth negative about QAL he would boot me. He did in the end. What a loserThe Real Wizard wrote:yes. exactly. but my point is NOT about tone or language used - or even intent. my only point is that where a forum is created say for "Deep Purple - Post 1993", then people/fans still have a right to join in and say they don't like it. It's just not practical to expect to create a forum "sub" where only positives are allowed...in much the same way that we have BOTH criticised Freddie's lifestyle. This may be heresy to some, but it's a valid point nonetheless.brENsKi wrote: I don't like Q+AL but I don't really get involved the discussions/rows about it, but that doesn't mean people who don't like it are not allowed to. so back off, and allow free speech"Freedom of speech" does not mean "freedom to be an asshole and ruin almost every thread on a forum, bordering on hate speech." There has to be a fine line in there somewhere. There's a reason why virtually every other forum is moderated to some degree - for civility's sake. Otherwise it will attract the worst that humanity has to offer, and it ends up being like this place. The admin had a zero policy, but so do you, and the best bit is you've called him a loser. . . |
runner_70 25.01.2020 14:03 |
Iron Butterfly wrote: Snifflese also wants bans to happen here. She came here ranting about wanting me banned because SweetCaroline was banned from QOL. So she wanted me banned from both Queen boards. First post she ever made here a couple of years ago.She is way worse than SC who is only mentally disturebd from her unhealthy passion for the ladyboy. Sniffcrack is bashing any posting where Freddie is mentioned. Every single one especially those that say that Lamebird is riding on Freddie's coattails. If she left QZ it would be a better place. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 14:33 |
You people are absolutely bonkers! If you can't understand the difference between having an opposing opinion and discussing it in a mature way or calling people filthy names and insulting everyone right and left except for Icy, then there is no point to this place. For about the 5th time BENSKI, no one says there can be no opposing opinions and it has to be positive things as that is rubbish, BUT people can be grownup when they post their disagreement. Filthy name calling and some of thhe tings that are said bu Runner don't have a place here. What is it that you don't get about that? No, Icy, this is the only subforum I would like to post in, but it is impossible, since you people ,make it that way by jumping on and criticizing and doing what you do. Just because I don't post in other parts of the board doesn't mean I am not a Queen fan and I have been one for about 15 years longer than you. I am just not a rabid fan like you guys and I have explained that too many times. As far as Caroline goes, I see a person who was hounded and bitched at and derided by you for years, both here and on QOL, so if she makes a few remarks to you, you probably deserve it. You can only push a person so far. And at some point if you would quit bringing it up every darn day, it might pass, but you can't do that and keep goading her. Let the chips fall where they may. It is on you at this point, so keep it up, keep complaining and it will the normal crap place that it has been for so long. Why Runner keeps talking about bashing Freddie, I don't know. I have said how wonderful he was and don't feel I do that, nor does anyone else. I am not sure what he is reading. It must be he can't understand English, otherwise that remark makes no sense. However, on this part of the board, QAL is the main discussion. He needs to remember that. There is a reason that most sensible people feel Runner should be banned and it isn't for opposing views. Singers replace other singers all the time, especially when they are dead, and that is not riding on anyone's coattails. He is partly responsible for the success and has worked his butt off to make QAL what it is. So that is absolutely not true. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 15:04 |
snifflese wrote:For about the 5th time BENSKI, no one says there can be no opposing opinions and it has to be positive things as that is rubbish,For the third time snifflese, you need to learn to read: For one last time, what you have just refuted is exactly the opposite to what Gen Z Music has said: Gen Z Music Fan wrote:red You're in denial (or trying to con us all) if you think that means anything else but "take your negative opinions to your own Q+AL Negative Forum". Please learn to understand basic English before claiming something means that which it clearly does NOT. |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 15:09 |
snifflese wrote: You people are absolutely bonkers! If you can't understand the difference between having an opposing opinion and discussing it in a mature way or calling people filthy names and insulting everyone right and left except for Icy, then there is no point to this place. For about the 5th time BENSKI, no one says there can be no opposing opinions and it has to be positive things as that is rubbish, BUT people can be grownup when they post their disagreement. Filthy name calling and some of thhe tings that are said bu Runner don't have a place here. What is it that you don't get about that? No, Icy, this is the only subforum I would like to post in, but it is impossible, since you people ,make it that way by jumping on and criticizing and doing what you do. Just because I don't post in other parts of the board doesn't mean I am not a Queen fan and I have been one for about 15 years longer than you. I am just not a rabid fan like you guys and I have explained that too many times. As far as Caroline goes, I see a person who was hounded and bitched at and derided by you for years, both here and on QOL, so if she makes a few remarks to you, you probably deserve it. You can only push a person so far. And at some point if you would quit bringing it up every darn day, it might pass, but you can't do that and keep goading her. Let the chips fall where they may. It is on you at this point, so keep it up, keep complaining and it will the normal crap place that it has been for so long. Why Runner keeps talking about bashing Freddie, I don't know. I have said how wonderful he was and don't feel I do that, nor does anyone else. I am not sure what he is reading. It must be he can't understand English, otherwise that remark makes no sense. However, on this part of the board, QAL is the main discussion. He needs to remember that. There is a reason that most sensible people feel Runner should be banned and it isn't for opposing views. Singers replace other singers all the time, especially when they are dead, and that is not riding on anyone's coattails. He is partly responsible for the success and has worked his butt off to make QAL what it is. So that is absolutely not true.You people, you say, nice *sarcasm* sweeping statement right there. I think you feel you have a new audience to convince, and it's obvious you want brENsKi to believe your side and to take your side. After all SweetCaroline has said spread about me here going back to 2014, if only she had the guts or decency to say sorry, but she will likely never be sorry or to offer an apology. If SweetCaroline apoligised and was genuine, id sccrpt it and drop it. The only thing she is clear about regarding me is how much she hates me, has no empathy for me. Thing is, snifflese if I said the things about her that she says about me, you would not be pleased, in fact many times especially in the past you have become upset and angry with me for less. Much less, many times. What Runner posts isn't up to me, I don't know why you complain to him about me. At least the guy has never sank so low as to drag my mental health while my father was dying to use against me, to be blunt she fucked up by doing that Your buddy SweetCaroline did that. Not Runner. SweetCaroline is the only one who did that . That told me everything what kind of a person she can be, sorry it's not pretty no matter how much you defend her and try to turn things on me. And if you don’t think I deserve an apology for that, or I should drop it, we'll that says alot about you as well. Easy for you to say, right. Must be nice to always defend what someone does no matter what, must be nice to usually deflect on me. You clearly want people to believe the worst about me, just make sure you tell them what you and SweetCaroline have done as well. AL has never replaced Freddie. Freddie isn't replaceable to begin with. You'd know that if you dared to post outside of this subforum, but just as well as you don't post in the Queen sections. You said yourself you can't be bothered to learn about Freddie’s and Queen's history. It just amazes me that the two main Glamberts, you being one of them come to Queen boards to promote and hype up AL as if he's a God, and you can't even bear to see Freddie's name in here. That's telling how far you are in the AL bubble. And you have the nerve to tell Queen fans like Runner and myself to go post elsewhere? The irony. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 16:09 |
It is impossible to have a discussion with you as I just don't understand your logic at all. I give up. You and your new buddy can just go on with your constantly accusing, his filthy and nasty posts and basically screw things up here. You take everything out of context, view it the way you want to (basically never meant that way by the poster!) and then throw crap at people and say things they never said/meant. It is like trying to discuss with people in the loony bin. You can't see beyond your own prejudices and vilify anyone who might like discussing QAL. No one wants just glowing remarks as life isn't like that, but a little maturity about discussing would be nice and seeing things the way others do. I get folks don't like Adam or QAL, no problem. BUT you don't need to run Adam and Brian and Roger and the other posters down because of that. You are the people that want nothing but glowing praise for Freddie. QAL is not necessarily about Freddie anymore as I don't see him standing there performing. You either accept QAL as a new entity of Queen or you don't like it and just move on and listen to a lot of the old music you love. But you don't have to crap all over this thread and argue with people who are happy with the new state of affairs, as there is no other choice if you want to enjoy live music. |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 16:27 |
snifflese wrote: It is impossible to have a discussion with you as I just don't understand your logic at all. I give up. You and your new buddy can just go on with your constantly accusing, his filthy and nasty posts and basically screw things up here. You take everything out of context, view it the way you want to (basically never meant that way by the poster!) and then throw crap at people and say things they never said/meant. It is like trying to discuss with people in the loony bin. You can't see beyond your own prejudices and vilify anyone who might like discussing QAL. No one wants just glowing remarks as life isn't like that, but a little maturity about discussing would be nice and seeing things the way others do. I get folks don't like Adam or QAL, no problem. BUT you don't need to run Adam and Brian and Roger and the other posters down because of that. You are the people that want nothing but glowing praise for Freddie. QAL is not necessarily about Freddie anymore as I don't see him standing there performing. You either accept QAL as a new entity of Queen or you don't like it and just move on and listen to a lot of the old music you love. But you don't have to crap all over this thread and argue with people who are happy with the new state of affairs, as there is no other choice if you want to enjoy live music.You don't understand my logic at all...ok then lol. Runner isn't my buddy by the way. Boy, you are on a ranting agenda again, I see. It doesn't take much. You like to spew nonsense and your own crap. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 16:30 |
snifflese wrote:You take everything out of context, view it the way you want to (basically never meant that way by the poster!) and then throw crap at people and say things they never said/meant.and I have not thrown any crap at anyone, my only replies are as to what has/hasn't been said by yourself and Gen Z. as I said - you're in denial. this was said very clearly by yourself: bluein response to this: green Gen Z Music Fan wrote:redit's quite clear what was said and meant - to everyone but you. But then, you can't even spell my username correctly - it's "Brenski". Shall I start calling you "sniffpee"? snifflese wrote:It is like trying to discuss with people in the loony bin.I'm not speaking for Iron Butterfly or runner_70 here. but you sink your own argument with presumptuous, self-aggrandizing lines like that. reasons for you to reply: 1. you are unable to read and understand basic English, or 2. your insistence on protracting an you've already lost. 3. you're trying to provoke me into insulting you, so you can group together everyone that dissents your view, and label them as "abusive" By all means continue your spat with IB and runner, but please don't reply to this - give it up, you're making yourself look a fool. |
runner_70 25.01.2020 17:03 |
snifflese wrote: Singers replace other singers all the time, especially when they are dead, and that is not riding on anyone's coattails. He is partly responsible for the success and has worked his butt off to make QAL what it is. So that is absolutely not true.For comments like this you should be banned. "Other singers" - you fucking retarded clown. This was the mos t legendary singer of all time -stop putting him down because your asshole idol your lusting for is only covering him in a bad way. Get the fuck out of QZ for gods sake |
snifflese 25.01.2020 17:14 |
Ok Benski, I give up with you, too, as you just don't understand at all what I have said. It is pointless around here. The first remark was aimed at Icy and Runner. My only remark to you was sure there are different opinions and that is great and what a discussion should be. However, they need to be done in a civil manner. I am not responsible with GEn Z's statement and I don't think that necessarily. It would be nice, but isn't going to happen, so just keep the remarks civil and move on to new discussions instead of bringing up past slights like Icy does, day after day and the nasty things Runner says. Those remarks did not apply to you, but people can be pleasant when disagreeing and that is all I meant Just because you think Freddie hung the moon, you will find millions of other fans that feel that way about their legendary singers. This is your opinion only. You totally disregard Adam and the guys and what QAL is today because of their work to make it so. There is no reflection on Freddie and if you think so, it is only because your total infatuation with him and think everything revolves around him. It does not. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 17:22 |
snifflese wrote:Ok Benski, I give up with you, too, as you just don't understand at all what I have said. It is pointless around here. My only remark to you was sure there are different opinions and that is great and what a discussion should be.You're being disingenuous. this is what was said: you clearly disputed what Gen Z had said/meant: blue blue green Gen Z Music Fan wrote:red this is not about some vague wording. Gen Z was very clear - the use of English was easy to follow - for all except you. Gen Z was not writing in code or using some ancient language requiring five translations to get it to modern English - and YOU know that. Note: Gen Z hasn't disputed what was written - just you! you give up, because you mis-read, because you got it wrong, and because you have lost this argument. no other reason. and don't pretend otherwise. I can keep quoting until you accept the actual facts - and stop trying to impose your skewed version on people. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 17:31 |
I am not agreeing with GenZ, what does he have to do with my remark? I am refuting GenZ's remark. I think that would be lovely, but it isn't happening here, so just get your dissenting review civil! You are the one not comprehending my remark. |
brENsKi 25.01.2020 17:33 |
snifflese wrote: I am not agreeing with GenZ, what does he have to do with my remark? I am refuting GenZ's remark. I think that would be lovely, but it isn't happening here, so just get your dissenting review civil! You are the one not comprehending my remark.what an idiotic comment. I've quoted you and Gen Z several times - as part of the argument you keep presenting - saying he "never said...", couldn't be simpler. why argue with me? I don't have a dissenting review. I have passed no comments on Q+AL. and my comment is civil. you're getting touchy - an indication you're sinking fast. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 18:13 |
I am simply saying that it would never work for everyone here to have only positive remarks. That would be nice, but not possible. I don't understand the German forum requiring that, but I guess it does eliminate the nastiness on here. A lot of forums are like that, I guess. If everyone could be civil when they reply to a differing viewpoint, that would be the solution here. I just don't like the ugly things Runner says. I don't understand how I am shutting down everyone's right to post which you believe in. Everyone should be able to take part, but you can be civil or you should be banned if you can't follow basic rules on how to be a mature poster. It is like that in society, you have the right to do many things, but when you break the rules there are consequences and there should be here, too. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 18:13 |
I am simply saying that it would never work for everyone here to have only positive remarks. That would be nice, but not possible. I don't understand the German forum requiring that, but I guess it does eliminate the nastiness on here. A lot of forums are like that, I guess. If everyone could be civil when they reply to a differing viewpoint, that would be the solution here. I just don't like the ugly things Runner says. I don't understand how I am shutting down everyone's right to post which you believe in. Everyone should be able to take part, but you can be civil or you should be banned if you can't follow basic rules on how to be a mature poster. It is like that in society, you have the right to do many things, but when you break the rules there are consequences and there should be here, too. |
runner_70 25.01.2020 18:23 |
snifflese wrote: QAL is not necessarily about Freddie anymore as I don't see him standing there performing.Fuck you - nothing left to say for comments like this. Disrespectful shitstirring C U N T |
snifflese 25.01.2020 18:59 |
Perfect example of someone who should never be allowed to post anywhere. This is the last place for you as everywhere else has done that already. Doesn't say much about this forum! |
runner_70 25.01.2020 19:01 |
snifflese wrote: Perfect example of someone who should never be allowed to post anywhere. This is the last place for you as everywhere else has done that already. Doesn't say much about this forum!For comments like the one b4 you would have been banned on Queenonline for good. Rot in Hell. Your passive aggressive hate towards a dead man is really the lowest of the low. And the icing on the cake is playing the innocent card. |
snifflese 25.01.2020 19:14 |
Your overt hatred of a living man, Adam, for no good reason, is the lowest of the low. And your horrible comments about Brian and Roger are the lowest of the low. You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan. |
runner_70 25.01.2020 20:30 |
snifflese wrote: Adam, for no good reason, is the lowest of the low. .I have a reason - he is butchering Queen songs. But you are spot on about him. Are you on the mend? |
runner_70 25.01.2020 20:35 |
snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.I am a Queen fan. Queen existed from 1971-1991. I hate QAL. Two completely different entitities. One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. Too bad the cover combo sometimes seems to be confused with the original. But only by deranged minds |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 20:48 |
snifflese wrote: I am simply saying that it would never work for everyone here to have only positive remarks. That would be nice, but not possible. I don't understand the German forum requiring that, but I guess it does eliminate the nastiness on here. A lot of forums are like that, I guess. If everyone could be civil when they reply to a differing viewpoint, that would be the solution here. I just don't like the ugly things Runner says. I don't understand how I am shutting down everyone's right to post which you believe in. Everyone should be able to take part, but you can be civil or you should be banned if you can't follow basic rules on how to be a mature poster. It is like that in society, you have the right to do many things, but when you break the rules there are consequences and there should be here, too.Do you not realise how often you shit stirred in your couple of years here, but hey, let's have you try to convince people here you are innocent...you are not and I will go find your first post to prove what an agenda you have. You are such a hypocrite. A shit stirrer. Sparkle cow to the extreme. |
Iron Butterfly 25.01.2020 20:54 |
runner_70 wrote:And she is one of the two here who becomes upset and angry when something is posted about AL she doesn't like. The irony and gall from snifflese once again.snifflese wrote: QAL is not necessarily about Freddie anymore as I don't see him standing there performing.Fuck you - nothing left to say for comments like this. Disrespectful shitstirring C U N T Hey, snifflese, without Freddie and Queen, your almighty AL would not be where he is these last few years. Fact. So yes , Q+AL is about Freddie in a big way. Of course, you thi k there is more than enough about Freddie'in these shows. funny how w you change your tune when you are pissed off and want and need things to suit you. Still want Queen fans to credit AL... cry me a river, darling. I see your true colors, they stink. |
snifflese 26.01.2020 00:26 |
You have no colors, as you are just black through and through! |
Iron Butterfly 26.01.2020 03:05 |
snifflese wrote: You have no colors, as you are just black through and through!That's lame, darling. So lame. |
rockchic65 26.01.2020 07:29 |
QAL is a separate entity from Queen and discussing QAL is separate from discussing Queen and therefore Freddie, can't see what's so hard to understand about that, it's obvious to most people that the two things aren't the same. We all know if Freddie hadn't been part of Queen the songs wouldn't exist and therefore Adam wouldn't be doing these shows but it's hardly necessary for anyone discussing the shows to keep mentioning the fact over and over, it's a given and shouldn't even need pointing out. |
Iron Butterfly 26.01.2020 07:51 |
rockchic65 wrote: QAL is a separate entity from Queen and discussing QAL is separate from discussing Queen and therefore Freddie, can't see what's so hard to understand about that, it's obvious to most people that the two things aren't the same. We all know if Freddie hadn't been part of Queen the songs wouldn't exist and therefore Adam wouldn't be doing these shows but it's hardly necessary for anyone discussing the shows to keep mentioning the fact over and over, it's a given and shouldn't even need pointing out.Some people here feel Q+AL is Queen and that AL has replaced Freddie...not true on both counts. Well yes, it needs to be pointed out. A person here would have you believe it's AL the sole reason Queen is popular these days. It's not. |
snifflese 26.01.2020 14:03 |
Sounds like a personal problem! |
brENsKi 26.01.2020 14:24 |
FWIW - I think that Adam Lambert, Paul Rodgers and Freddie Mercury have tarnished Tim Staffell's legacy forever. Although we should go easy on Paul Rodgers, as he was Tim Staffell's favourite singer. |
Vocal harmony 26.01.2020 16:01 |
runner_70 wrote:Not really, the "immortal frontman" has been dead since 1991 and your so called cover band is a slightly different line up of the original band (suited to live performance) plus a guest vocalist with the range needed to perform what they perform.snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.. . . . . One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. . . . . If you want to call them a cover band, then you'll have to accept them as the most successful cover band ever. |
snifflese 26.01.2020 16:27 |
I know you love yourself some Freddie, (and most people do, but don't go as far as you), however calling him immortal is one of your more ridiculous.statements. You know that is "unsterblich" and to the best of my knowledge Freddie actually passed away in 1991, unless you are likening him to the gods in ancient Egypt and Rome in some weird way. Get a grip! I think legendary, celebrated, renowned, will go down in history is much more apt. This from the person who hates Freddie supposedly and all the other nonsense you take offense to. I think he is utteryly amazing, but it is not necessary to invoke his name when talking about current concerts, Not trying to throw shade on him as you always say! |
runner_70 26.01.2020 17:48 |
Vocal harmony wrote:"SLightly different"????? Just the most iconic frontman is missing and you are saying "slightly different"???? And John Deacon? What about him???? Slightly different as well??? YOu sad lil twat can join your buddy sniff in fantasy landrunner_70 wrote:Not really, the "immortal frontman" has been dead since 1991 and your so called cover band is a slightly different line up of the original band (suited to live performance) plus a guest vocalist with the range needed to perform what they perform. If you want to call them a cover band, then you'll have to accept them as the most successful cover band ever.snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.. . . . . One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. . . . . |
runner_70 26.01.2020 17:50 |
snifflese wrote: I know you love yourself some Freddie, (and most people do, but don't go as far as you), however calling him immortal is one of your more ridiculous.statements. You know that is "unsterblich" and to the best of my knowledge Freddie actually passed away in 1991, unless you are likening him to the gods in ancient Egypt and Rome in some weird way. Get a grip! I think legendary, celebrated, renowned, will go down in history is much more apt. This from the person who hates Freddie supposedly and all the other nonsense you take offense to. I think he is utteryly amazing, but it is not necessary to invoke his name when talking about current concerts, Not trying to throw shade on him as you always say!You sad lil shitstirring cunt again try to put Freddie down. Bach is immortal, Hendrix is, Morrisson is - Freddie Mercury is. Immortal artists whose music will live forever. SOmething you cannot say about this cover singing twat you adore |
brENsKi 26.01.2020 18:53 |
runner_70 wrote:You sad lil shitstirring cunt again try to put Freddie down. Bach is immortal, Hendrix is, Morrisson is - Freddie Mercury is. Immortal artists whose music will live forever. SOmething you cannot say about this cover singing twat you adoreWhat I like is the irony of being immortalised. Whenever the adjective is bestowed upon an artist it's always an oxymoron - them being dead. |
snifflese 26.01.2020 19:04 |
No, I agree. I guess it is the legacy and not the human that is being immortalized. I would never call a person immortal, tho. If that applies to anyone's legacy, it will certainly be Freddie's!! He was quite the fellow, so multi-talented. Off on a tangent here, but, to be honest I didn't find the movie to be particularly derogatory towards him. I know Runner is always saying that, but I thought he came across as a real human being and I felt so sad for him at the end. I don't expect a true life saga in a Hollywood movie, but I thought it hit a lot of good notes. Maybe I missed some things, but I think Runner often finds fault when there is absolutely none intended. My view of him was positive at the end. They could have really included some hinky stuff which wouldn't have helped his image or the bands, but I thought all the right notes were hit and he came across as someone you could respect, empathize with and see why he has become a legend. |
runner_70 26.01.2020 20:33 |
They showed him as unreliable druggie most of the time. The whole movie was designed to make May look like a Saint and Freddie the villain. The icing on the cake was the scene when Freddie was supposed to beg Saint Brian to get back into the band. The whole movie had a homophobic undertone. "If he had stayed with Mary he would still be alive ". Utter garbage and even more disgraceful than their lame nostalgia tribute band with which the Queen Name is dragged thru the Dirt. May should be ashamed for most of his actions. I never liked him that much as he is a two faced Diva who envies Freddie until this day but since the movie and QAL I lost every respect of him. |
MisterCosmicc 26.01.2020 20:44 |
snifflese wrote: I know you love yourself some Freddie, (and most people do, but don't go as far as you), however calling him immortal is one of your more ridiculous.statements. You know that is "unsterblich" and to the best of my knowledge Freddie actually passed away in 1991, unless you are likening him to the gods in ancient Egypt and Rome in some weird way. Get a grip! I think legendary, celebrated, renowned, will go down in history is much more apt. This from the person who hates Freddie supposedly and all the other nonsense you take offense to. I think he is utteryly amazing, but it is not necessary to invoke his name when talking about current concerts, Not trying to throw shade on him as you always say!“I am immortal, I have inside the blood of kings!” “Fairytales of yesterday will grow, but never die...” Freddie will be remembered long after Adam is no longer a memory =) |
Iron Butterfly 26.01.2020 21:19 |
snifflese wrote: I know you love yourself some Freddie, (and most people do, but don't go as far as you), however calling him immortal is one of your more ridiculous.statements. You know that is "unsterblich" and to the best of my knowledge Freddie actually passed away in 1991, unless you are likening him to the gods in ancient Egypt and Rome in some weird way. Get a grip! I think legendary, celebrated, renowned, will go down in history is much more apt. This from the person who hates Freddie supposedly and all the other nonsense you take offense to. I think he is utteryly amazing, but it is not necessary to invoke his name when talking about current concerts, Not trying to throw shade on him as you always say!People can "love" Freddie, especially on Queen boards, you know. Or maybe that's something else you are clueless about. We know Freddie passed away in 1991. Does it bother you his legacy lives on? You sure sound bitter. I guess you know your Lambert is nowhere near Freddie’s legacy. Oh, you think Freddie was amazing, thanks *sarcasm*.for throwing him a bone. I doubt you even know how amazing he truly was. |
snifflese 26.01.2020 21:45 |
Could care less about Adam's legacy, nor do I worry about Freddie's. Seems totally pointless in both instances. I am just enjoying what Adam does now and Freddie's is already long established. Certainly won't lose any sleep over this issue, much more important things going on in the world. Perhaps you would be better off worrying less about Freddie's legacy as it has nothing to do with you regardless of what you seem to think. If anything, you seem to be tarnishing things with all your crazy ideas about it. What is is with you and Freddie's legacy? You act as if you were related to him and I doubt even those folks worry like you do on this subject. |
Iron Butterfly 26.01.2020 22:20 |
snifflese wrote: Could care less about Adam's legacy, nor do I worry about Freddie's. Seems totally pointless in both instances. I am just enjoying what Adam does now and Freddie's is already long established. Certainly won't lose any sleep over this issue, much more important things going on in the world. Perhaps you would be better off worrying less about Freddie's legacy as it has nothing to do with you regardless of what you seem to think. If anything, you seem to be tarnishing things with all your crazy ideas about it. What is is with you and Freddie's legacy? You act as if you were related to him and I doubt even those folks worry like you do on this subject.Mooo. I hear a sparkle cow. Like I just said in another thread, Freddie deserves to be remembered and discussed. If that gets to you that much, then the door is open. I act if I'm related to Freddie? I'm a fan of his. I don't go around saying I'm his second mother, babying and trying to protect Freddie the way you and SweetCaroline act and behave about Lambert.Big difference. |
snifflese 26.01.2020 22:28 |
Now you are making crap up, Icy. I don't protect or baby or do any of the above mentioned things. Man, do you ever make stuff up and lie. I simply like him as he is my favorite singer and I don't think he deserves the crap said about him here. Whatever, you are delusional and it doesn't do any good to say anything to you because it just doesn't compute. It is like talking to a brick wall and we all know what that accomplishes, nothing! |
Iron Butterfly 26.01.2020 22:46 |
snifflese wrote: Now you are making crap up, Icy. I don't protect or baby or do any of the above mentioned things. Man, do you ever make stuff up and lie. I simply like him as he is my favorite singer and I don't think he deserves the crap said about him here. Whatever, you are delusional and it doesn't do any good to say anything to you because it just doesn't compute. It is like talking to a brick wall and we all know what that accomplishes, nothing!No, I don't make up stuff or lie. Your posts speak for themselves. Nicertainly way to get personal with me again, do you think that makes you look better? It doesn't. You for this shit every time, maybe you were thinking and hoping brENsKi would take your side. And you are miserable that he saw right through your posts. So of course, you lash out on me again. You think you are so much better than me, and this post from you proves you aren't, and how much of a hypocrite you are. You are one of the first to cry when you think things are unfair, and you can't even discuss it civilly without adding insults. |
user1 27.01.2020 18:37 |
W T F ? link |
brENsKi 27.01.2020 22:35 |
user1 wrote: W T F ? linkalready mentioned in the Merchandise Thread link |
Vocal harmony 28.01.2020 12:03 |
runner_70 wrote:Yes slightly different because they still have the very recognisable guitarist sharing the stage with the equally recognisable drummer and the same keyboard player they've had since 84. Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . a new vocalist is major, but they are not the only band to do this and, although not by you, he has been accepted by the audiences.Vocal harmony wrote:"SLightly different"????? Just the most iconic frontman is missing and you are saying "slightly different"???? And John Deacon? What about him???? Slightly different as well??? YOu sad lil twat can join your buddy sniff in fantasy landrunner_70 wrote:Not really, the "immortal frontman" has been dead since 1991 and your so called cover band is a slightly different line up of the original band (suited to live performance) plus a guest vocalist with the range needed to perform what they perform. If you want to call them a cover band, then you'll have to accept them as the most successful cover band ever.snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.. . . . . One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. . . . . So a slightly different line up, not the original lineup but half the original band and three fifths of the 84/86 touring line up, slightly different and if you believe in immortality you're the sad lil twat. |
runner_70 28.01.2020 21:34 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Still unbelievable how delusional Glam-Fucktarts like you can get. guy without any input and what was that original singer's name again?runner_70 wrote:Yes slightly different because they still have the very recognisable guitarist sharing the stage with the equally recognisable drummer and the same keyboard player they've had since 84. Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . a new vocalist is major, but they are not the only band to do this and, although not by you, he has been accepted by the audiences. So a slightly different line up, not the original lineup but half the original band and three fifths of the 84/86 touring line up, slightly different and if you believe in immortality you're the sad lil twat.Vocal harmony wrote:"SLightly different"????? Just the most iconic frontman is missing and you are saying "slightly different"???? And John Deacon? What about him???? Slightly different as well??? YOu sad lil twat can join your buddy sniff in fantasy landrunner_70 wrote:Not really, the "immortal frontman" has been dead since 1991 and your so called cover band is a slightly different line up of the original band (suited to live performance) plus a guest vocalist with the range needed to perform what they perform. If you want to call them a cover band, then you'll have to accept them as the most successful cover band ever.snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.. . . . . One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. . . . . Enough of this crap and grow the fuck up you assclown |
Vocal harmony 29.01.2020 17:29 |
runner_70 wrote: . . . The whole movie had a homophobic undertone. . . . . .What, just like everything you post about Adam Lambert. |
Vocal harmony 29.01.2020 17:36 |
runner_70 wrote:Your question about the original singers name, why are you asking me, your the one dimensional idiot fan boy here. The original singer in your post that you called the immortal front man, even though he's dead, that singer.Vocal harmony wrote:Still unbelievable how delusional Glam-Fucktarts like you can get. guy without any input and what was that original singer's name again? Enough of this crap and grow the fuck up you assclownrunner_70 wrote:Yes slightly different because they still have the very recognisable guitarist sharing the stage with the equally recognisable drummer and the same keyboard player they've had since 84. Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . a new vocalist is major, but they are not the only band to do this and, although not by you, he has been accepted by the audiences. So a slightly different line up, not the original lineup but half the original band and three fifths of the 84/86 touring line up, slightly different and if you believe in immortality you're the sad lil twat.Vocal harmony wrote:"SLightly different"????? Just the most iconic frontman is missing and you are saying "slightly different"???? And John Deacon? What about him???? Slightly different as well??? YOu sad lil twat can join your buddy sniff in fantasy landrunner_70 wrote:Not really, the "immortal frontman" has been dead since 1991 and your so called cover band is a slightly different line up of the original band (suited to live performance) plus a guest vocalist with the range needed to perform what they perform. If you want to call them a cover band, then you'll have to accept them as the most successful cover band ever.snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.. . . . . One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. . . . . Your the fucktart son, why don't you grow up! |
runner_70 29.01.2020 18:40 |
Vocal harmony wrote:I do not care if he fucks guys or sheep . According to his voice maybe latterrunner_70 wrote: . . . The whole movie had a homophobic undertone. . . . . .What, just like everything you post about Adam Lambert. |
runner_70 29.01.2020 18:40 |
Vocal harmony wrote:Yeha and this Deacon John guy had no input at all right you fuckhead?runner_70 wrote:Your question about the original singers name, why are you asking me, your the one dimensional idiot fan boy here. The original singer in your post that you called the immortal front man, even though he's dead, that singer. Your the fucktart son, why don't you grow up!Vocal harmony wrote:Still unbelievable how delusional Glam-Fucktarts like you can get. guy without any input and what was that original singer's name again? Enough of this crap and grow the fuck up you assclownrunner_70 wrote:Yes slightly different because they still have the very recognisable guitarist sharing the stage with the equally recognisable drummer and the same keyboard player they've had since 84. Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . a new vocalist is major, but they are not the only band to do this and, although not by you, he has been accepted by the audiences. So a slightly different line up, not the original lineup but half the original band and three fifths of the 84/86 touring line up, slightly different and if you believe in immortality you're the sad lil twat.Vocal harmony wrote:"SLightly different"????? Just the most iconic frontman is missing and you are saying "slightly different"???? And John Deacon? What about him???? Slightly different as well??? YOu sad lil twat can join your buddy sniff in fantasy landrunner_70 wrote:Not really, the "immortal frontman" has been dead since 1991 and your so called cover band is a slightly different line up of the original band (suited to live performance) plus a guest vocalist with the range needed to perform what they perform. If you want to call them a cover band, then you'll have to accept them as the most successful cover band ever.snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.. . . . . One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. . . . . |
Vocal harmony 29.01.2020 19:24 |
runner_70 wrote:You've got no argument so you just carry on with you insults, which as you started this I'll just reply in the same manner.Vocal harmony wrote:Yeha and this Deacon John guy had no input at all right you fuckhead?runner_70 wrote:Your question about the original singers name, why are you asking me, your the one dimensional idiot fan boy here. The original singer in your post that you called the immortal front man, even though he's dead, that singer. Your the fucktart son, why don't you grow up!Vocal harmony wrote:Still unbelievable how delusional Glam-Fucktarts like you can get. guy without any input and what was that original singer's name again? Enough of this crap and grow the fuck up you assclownrunner_70 wrote:Yes slightly different because they still have the very recognisable guitarist sharing the stage with the equally recognisable drummer and the same keyboard player they've had since 84. Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . a new vocalist is major, but they are not the only band to do this and, although not by you, he has been accepted by the audiences. So a slightly different line up, not the original lineup but half the original band and three fifths of the 84/86 touring line up, slightly different and if you believe in immortality you're the sad lil twat.Vocal harmony wrote:"SLightly different"????? Just the most iconic frontman is missing and you are saying "slightly different"???? And John Deacon? What about him???? Slightly different as well??? YOu sad lil twat can join your buddy sniff in fantasy landrunner_70 wrote:Not really, the "immortal frontman" has been dead since 1991 and your so called cover band is a slightly different line up of the original band (suited to live performance) plus a guest vocalist with the range needed to perform what they perform. If you want to call them a cover band, then you'll have to accept them as the most successful cover band ever.snifflese wrote: You are no Queen fan to say what you do about them. I don't quite know what you are, but it is not a Queen fan.. . . . . One is a legendary BAND with an immortal frontman. The other one is a sad COVER COMBO with a twat on vocals. . . . . First of all, show me where I said that the original bass player and original singer had no input. Stop inventing stuff fuckhead. |
Vocal harmony 29.01.2020 19:26 |
runner_70 wrote:You're the pea head with the abnormal fixation.Vocal harmony wrote:I do not care if he fucks guys or sheep . According to his voice maybe latterrunner_70 wrote: . . . The whole movie had a homophobic undertone. . . . . .What, just like everything you post about Adam Lambert. |
runner_70 29.01.2020 20:28 |
Vocal harmony wrote: First of all, show me where I said that the original bass player and original singer had no input. Stop inventing stuff fuckhead. Vocal harmony wrote: So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge differenceThere you go dickhead. No need to thank me it is one of those days I pity retarded clowns like you |
Vocal harmony 30.01.2020 10:53 |
Vocal harmony wrote: . . . Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . . . .What I actually posted regarding John Deacon. When you read the whole thing it reads very differently to your cherry picked line quoted out of context. The thing is you're that stupid you think miss quoting something is going to prove you right when the original post is there for anyone to read anyway. So Martin Weckwerth ( you miss quoted me and tried to claim that what you quoted was all I said) you're a liar. You're a gutter crawling scum that doesn't belong in a public forum. |
runner_70 30.01.2020 17:02 |
Vocal harmony wrote:It says the same thing you fuckwhit. Each bassplayer could play live instead of Deacon and it makes no big difference. Your words not mine. IdiotVocal harmony wrote: . . . Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . . . .What I actually posted regarding John Deacon. When you read the whole thing it reads very differently to your cherry picked line quoted out of context. The thing is you're that stupid you think miss quoting something is going to prove you right when the original post is there for anyone to read anyway. So Martin Weckwerth ( you miss quoted me and tried to claim that what you quoted was all I said) you're a liar. You're a gutter crawling scum that doesn't belong in a public forum. |
brENsKi 31.01.2020 13:50 |
runner_70 wrote:It says the same thing you fuckwhit. Each bassplayer could play live instead of Deacon and it makes no big difference. Your words not mine. IdiotEvery city has hundreds of souls like yourself. Creatures who - due to lack of education, upbringing and loving parents spent their adolescence and beyond throwing shit at the world. You blame the world for you living 100 feet above the ground in social squalor, where the daily vista is a stark choice of burning tyres, or burning cars or burning skip. Where carrying your shopping home is a "grand national" of "jumps" over rotting mattresses, piss-stained stairwells or collapsed junkies. Yes, of course it's NEVER your fault. You ended up where you are and never once tried to better yourself. So, for that reason alone - the rest of the world takes the daily blame for your piss-poor situation. You win, you get the award for "hardest done by". Time to move on. |
Vocal harmony 31.01.2020 17:41 |
runner_70 wrote:You're the fuckwit son, you're the doughnut head who either doesn't understand what I've said or chooses not too in order to claw lost ground back.Vocal harmony wrote:It says the same thing you fuckwhit. Each bassplayer could play live instead of Deacon and it makes no big difference. Your words not mine. IdiotVocal harmony wrote: . . . Like it or not John Deacon ( great Bass player and song writer) spent a lot of gigs almost in Brian's and Freddies's shadows. So a replacement Bass player who stands in Deacons place and plays what is required is not a huge difference when watching a gig. . . . . .What I actually posted regarding John Deacon. When you read the whole thing it reads very differently to your cherry picked line quoted out of context. The thing is you're that stupid you think miss quoting something is going to prove you right when the original post is there for anyone to read anyway. So Martin Weckwerth ( you miss quoted me and tried to claim that what you quoted was all I said) you're a liar. You're a gutter crawling scum that doesn't belong in a public forum. Let me go into more detail, just in case you really do have a problem. John Deacon was a talented Bass player and song writer. When Queen played live he was usually the least visible, because his shy nature usually meant he stood further back than Freddie and Brian and he didn't have to put the energy and movement into his playing that Roger did. Brian and Freddie were very visual, so, many times John Deacon played in their collective shadow. Because of this in the current line up as long as there is someone standing stage right playing Bass, playing the right notes and for the most part not being visual, to the casual fan and most of the people two thirds back in a large arena John won't be missed. Now just take you're dumb arguments and go away rocker boy Weckwerth. |
runner_70 31.01.2020 18:24 |
You should post when you are sober. Or are these all typos like those from your sidekick Bronski Beat? |
brENsKi 01.02.2020 08:27 |
runner_70 wrote: You should post when you are sober. Or are these all typos like those from your sidekick Bronski Beat?https://i.imgur.com/gmj6eJdl.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /> |
Vocal harmony 01.02.2020 16:57 |
runner_70 wrote: You should post when you are sober. Or are these all typos like those from your sidekick Bronski Beat?You're obviously off your nut on hallucinogenics, or maybe you just can't read rocker boy Weckwerth. |