7SeasOfQ 22.10.2019 03:21 |
This might be too much too ask for, but for all you geniuses in the Live area, i would really like to know which songs performed on the third night in Paris 1979 stand out and are better preformed to their 2nd night counterparts. Yes I know the 2nd night is far superior, and there barely is anything from the 1st. Thank you all :) |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 03:37 |
Splitting hairs. Both shows are great, although Mercury isn't quite at his best. And it's hard to do a real analysis without a decent sounding audience tape of the latter. |
7SeasOfQ 22.10.2019 04:00 |
Ryan Newton has some good at least B quality audios of both nights on his channel. |
runner_70 22.10.2019 05:21 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Splitting hairs. Both shows are great, although Mercury isn't quite at his best. And it's hard to do a real analysis without a decent sounding audience tape of the latter.Of course he isn't for Brian worshippers. What you think about May butchering the BR solo lately in every second performance. Maybe I should start a thread about it....... |
HelloDelilah 22.10.2019 06:22 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Splitting hairs. Both shows are great, although Mercury isn't quite at his best. And it's hard to do a real analysis without a decent sounding audience tape of the latter.This post inspired me to watch this concert (1/3/79) again. Chinwonder2's channel. The Real Wizard, I thought during this time, Freddie and his voice were in top shape? Why do you say he wasn't at his best? I thought in the early 80s was when Freddie wasn't at his best? Would appreciate your or anyone else's insight. Thanks! :) |
dysan 22.10.2019 06:47 |
7SeasOfQ wrote: Ryan Newton has some good at least B quality audios of both nights on his channel.Hi Ryan Newton |
HelloDelilah 22.10.2019 06:58 |
Yes, Ryan Newton has great videos too! I didn't see the previous post. Thanks Ryan!! |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 07:04 |
HelloDelilah wrote: The Real Wizard, I thought during this time, Freddie and his voice were in top shape? Why do you say he wasn't at his best? I thought in the early 80s was when Freddie wasn't at his best? Would appreciate your or anyone else's insight. Thanks! :)Compare any version of Somebody to Love from early 79 to any version from 80-82. He's almost a completely different singer. Never mind the audience tapes - just listen to Montreal 81 and Milton Keynes 82 to see how Mercury's voice is far better than on Live Killers. He evolved so much in that period. |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 07:17 |
runner_70 wrote:Quiet. Grown-ups are speaking.The Real Wizard wrote: Splitting hairs. Both shows are great, although Mercury isn't quite at his best. And it's hard to do a real analysis without a decent sounding audience tape of the latter.Of course he isn't for Brian worshippers. What you think about May butchering the BR solo lately in every second performance. Maybe I should start a thread about it....... Why post on a Queen forum if you hate on two of its members with literally every post you make? It's clearly the only reason why you're here. I pity you. |
HelloDelilah 22.10.2019 07:30 |
The Real Wizard wrote:He does seem like a completely different singer. His voice became deeper, stronger and more aggressive/confident. His voice definitely changed in the early 80s along with his new look. I think I was thinking of the period of when he grew tired and wanted to venture out on his own before mid-80s (Live Aid).HelloDelilah wrote: The Real Wizard, I thought during this time, Freddie and his voice were in top shape? Why do you say he wasn't at his best? I thought in the early 80s was when Freddie wasn't at his best? Would appreciate your or anyone else's insight. Thanks! :)Compare any version of Somebody to Love from early 79 to any version from 80-82. He's almost a completely different singer. Never mind the audience tapes - just listen to Montreal 81 and Milton Keynes 82 to see how Mercury's voice is far better than on Live Killers. He evolved so much in that period. |
dysan 22.10.2019 08:28 |
Like in the movie? |
HelloDelilah 22.10.2019 08:43 |
No, in real life, not in the movie. Why, do you think it was like the movie?! LOL |
dudeofqueen 22.10.2019 10:47 |
HelloDelilah, re: >He does seem like a completely different singer. His voice became deeper, stronger and more aggressive/confident. His voice definitely changed in the early 80s along with his new look. Smoking, cocaine, vodka, Munich. Freddie's cocktail of choice. |
runner_70 22.10.2019 11:21 |
HelloDelilah wrote:He is a May worshipper. And as we know by now that May and Freddie did not like each other too much he is constantly putting Freddie down. I'd rather criticize 72-year-old men in masques fucking up not too hard solos all the time...The Real Wizard wrote: Splitting hairs. Both shows are great, although Mercury isn't quite at his best. And it's hard to do a real analysis without a decent sounding audience tape of the latter.This post inspired me to watch this concert (1/3/79) again. Chinwonder2's channel. The Real Wizard, I thought during this time, Freddie and his voice were in top shape? Why do you say he wasn't at his best? I thought in the early 80s was when Freddie wasn't at his best? Would appreciate your or anyone else's insight. Thanks! :) |
runner_70 22.10.2019 11:22 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I thought they were great unless they showed their real faces with all the actions and harm they did to Queen and especially Freddie. Even a blind man could see how jealous of Freddie May is to this day. I do not hate them but i truely dislike May as he has become a sad old hippocrite trying to whitewash himself and constantly trying to rewrite Queen history. RT has become a guy who always says yes as long as there is enough $$ to be made. The have clearly become the Simmons/Stanley of Queen or whats left of Queen. With the difference that Simmons and Stanley dont deny that they are just in it for the moneyrunner_70 wrote:Quiet. Grown-ups are speaking. Why post on a Queen forum if you hate on two of its members with literally every post you make? It's clearly the only reason why you're here. I pity you.The Real Wizard wrote: Splitting hairs. Both shows are great, although Mercury isn't quite at his best. And it's hard to do a real analysis without a decent sounding audience tape of the latter.Of course he isn't for Brian worshippers. What you think about May butchering the BR solo lately in every second performance. Maybe I should start a thread about it....... |
jabbo5150 22.10.2019 16:15 |
Plus Freddie was great on the Crazy Tour as well, so late 79-82 for peak Freddie vocals for me |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 16:42 |
runner_70 wrote: I misguidedly believe, despite providing no tangible evidence, that May and Freddie did not like each other too muchFTFY. No matter how much you try to adjust reality to suit your ideology, it ain't working. |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 16:43 |
runner_70 wrote: The have clearly become the Simmons/Stanley of Queen or whats left of Queen. With the difference that Simmons and Stanley dont deny that they are just in it for the moneyYou are in an extreme minority with that view. Brian May remains one of the most respected musicians in the business, and the arenas of the world remain full every time they play. Your pathetic little mission here and in countless YouTube threads isn't going to change either of those realities one iota. A professional troll. Minus the professional part. Most people with your level of commitment and fervor are smart enough to work for a political party or a corporation. But here you are dedicating your life to slandering rock stars on your own time and dime. Your parents must be proud. |
7SeasOfQ 22.10.2019 16:50 |
What the hell even happened I only asked for an analysis of both Paris nights ?? |
runner_70 22.10.2019 17:01 |
7SeasOfQ wrote: What the hell even happened I only asked for an analysis of both Paris nights ??The Real wanker started to put Freddie down who was in his peak between 1979 - 1982 as we all know. He is so deep in May's ass he lost his way |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 17:04 |
runner_70 wrote:And you are clearly deaf and know nothing about Queen if you can't tell the difference between Mercury in early and late 79.7SeasOfQ wrote: What the hell even happened I only asked for an analysis of both Paris nights ??The Real wanker started to put Freddie down who was in his peak between 1979 - 1982 as we all know. He is so deep in May's ass he lost his way Keep on trolling. |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 17:13 |
7SeasOfQ wrote: What the hell even happened I only asked for an analysis of both Paris nights ??I posted a relevant response earlier in the thread. But sadly we need to wade through the inane ramblings of a deranged internet troll whose only function on this forum is to slander May, Taylor, and Lambert. Err, welcome to Queenzone. |
runner_70 22.10.2019 17:15 |
The Real Wizard wrote:...says the guy who waited all day for a reply posting from me in mommy's basement. Now he finally got it and he is happy again. Sad but funny7SeasOfQ wrote: What the hell even happened I only asked for an analysis of both Paris nights ??I posted a relevant response earlier in the thread. But sadly we need to wade through the inane ramblings of a deranged internet troll. |
on my way up 22.10.2019 17:20 |
runner_70 wrote:Nobody put Freddie down.7SeasOfQ wrote: What the hell even happened I only asked for an analysis of both Paris nights ??The Real wanker started to put Freddie down who was in his peak between 1979 - 1982 as we all know. He is so deep in May's ass he lost his way If Freddie were here with you listening to the tapes of the Live Killers tour he'd be the first to admit his vocals are not excellent. It's actually a far bigger insult and way more damaging to Freddie's reputation to rewrite history and claim his average performances (average in terms of vocal freshness) as his peak... |
The Real Wizard 22.10.2019 17:26 |
runner_70 wrote:The troll pointing fingers at the rational, claiming they are the trolls. The same way Trump, who creates fake news, calls the news fake news.The Real Wizard wrote:...says the guy who waited all day for a reply posting from me in mommy's basement. Now he finally got it and he is happy again. Sad but funny7SeasOfQ wrote: What the hell even happened I only asked for an analysis of both Paris nights ??I posted a relevant response earlier in the thread. But sadly we need to wade through the inane ramblings of a deranged internet troll. Nobody with an IQ above room temperature buys it. Keep on trolling. |
stevelondon20 22.10.2019 17:38 |
This place has gone to shit. It really has. |
dysan 22.10.2019 17:42 |
I had a look at the AL forum and was surprised that it's worse :( |
stevelondon20 22.10.2019 21:11 |
Just makes me sad as this used to be such a great place. I've been a member for over 18 years now. |
HelloDelilah 23.10.2019 00:38 |
Life’s too short. Let’s just all get along. |
7SeasOfQ 23.10.2019 04:47 |
Kinda weird to hear the other guy say that since i already heard and know Fred was at his peak throughout 1979-82. I've never seen such Brian devotion |
Jimmy Dean 23.10.2019 04:51 |
stevelondon20 wrote: Just makes me sad as this used to be such a great place. I've been a member for over 18 years now.it's always been like this! i guess you used to be a glass half-full kind of guy... now you see it my way. it's a been a shitfest for 18 years. |
stevelondon20 23.10.2019 07:32 |
Jimmy Dean wrote:It was never this bad nate!stevelondon20 wrote: Just makes me sad as this used to be such a great place. I've been a member for over 18 years now.it's always been like this! i guess you used to be a glass half-full kind of guy... now you see it my way. it's a been a shitfest for 18 years. |
stevelondon20 23.10.2019 11:25 |
Mate even! |
MemeOverlord69 24.10.2019 05:40 |
Ryan Newton here. Believe it or not, I wasn't the one plugging my channel earlier in the thread, but thanks for that. For an actual answer to the original question, here's how I would rank the two Paris shows against each other. We Will Rock You Fast: 2/28. Freddie sounds much stronger on 2/28, and the band seem more into it than 3/1. Let Me Entertain You: 2/28. it's more energetic, but slightly sloppy, so if you prefer a cleaner, tighter version, 3/1 is your version here, but I still prefer 2/28 Somebody to Love: 2/28. Brian breaks a string during his solo on 3/1 and has to drop out for about 30 seconds. If You Can't Beat Them: 2/28. Freddie sounds slightly better on 2/28, and Brian's guitar work is just better throughout. Roger's drumming is a tad better on 3/1, but I'd put 2/28 over 3/1 still. Death On Two Legs: 2/28. Brian's guitar work on both version is phenomenal, but Freddie sounds a tad stronger on 2/28. Killer Queen: 3/1. Freddie doesn't speak sing as much on 3/1 (which I happen to favour), and Brian's solo is a bit less jumbled than 2/28. Bicycle Race: 3/1. Freddie sings the song a bit better, and Brian does some cool stuff during the choruses that isn't on 2/28. Also, the band lets the crowd ring the bells for once, a nice touch. I'm In Love With My Car: 2/28. Very good drumming and vocals from Roger on both nights, but Freddie flubs a piano chord at the beginning of the 3/1 version. Get Down Make Love: 3/1. This one is down to the nuances. Freddie has a bad crack early on in the 2/28 version, but Brian does some fascinating stuff with the feedback on his guitar. During the last chorus of the 2/28 version, Roger's vocals go out of sync with Freddie on one line. On the 3/1 version, Brian does some great little licks in the verses, and Freddie sounds a bit stronger throughout. Overall I'd say 3/1 is the stronger of the two, although neither are particularly noteworthy versions besides the fact that a bit of 3/1 was used on Live Killers. You're My Best Friend: 3/1. Freddie sounds quite tired on the 3/1 version, although the guitar work on 3/1 is certainly better, and getting some variety in the instrumentation on this song is always nice to hear considering how this song was usually very consistent in it's performances. Now I'm Here: 2/28. Both versions are great, but the band seem a bit more energetic on 2/28 and sound like they're having more fun with it. Don't Stop Me Now: 2/28. Freddie really struggles with the vocals on 3/1. Spread Your Wings: 2/28. Once again, Freddie struggles much more on 3/1. Brian's solo on 2/28 is also nuts. Dreamers Ball: 3/1. The band seem to have a bit more fun on this one, which is generally a good thing for a song like this. Love of My Life: 2/28. It's a bit hard to hear on the 3/1 audience recording, so I kind of have to automatically give this one to 2/28. Both seem pretty similar though. 39: 2/28. Not only is it a stronger version of the song, but 3/1 is cut, so 2/28 wins by default. It's Late: 2/28. Freddie is super tired on 3/1. Sometimes it sounds as if he's barely trying. There is some good instrumentation of both versions, but the vocals are superior on 2/28. Freddie also comes in early on the second chorus. Brighton Rock: 2/28. Although 3/1 has that nice segment of Dead On Time, 2/28's version just feels more cohesive and flows better. 3/1 sounds nice but there seems to be more fluff. Keep Yourself Alive: 3/1. 2/28's version is cut, and 3/1 is surprisingly good anyway. Bohemian Rhapsody: 3/1. Freddie sounds pretty rough on both, but Brian's playing on 2/28 isn't as precise as it could be, whereas he's very good on the 3/1 version. Tie Your Mother Down: 2/28. John has a bass flub on the 2/28 version, but Freddie doesn't even sound like he's trying to sing the song on the 3/1 version. Once again, passion over perfection in this case. Sheer Heart Attack: 2/28. Both versions are pretty solid, but Freddie sounds a tad better on 2/28. We Will Rock You: 3/1. Both versions are very similar, but I happen to like Brian's solo on 3/1 a bit more. We Are the Champions: 3/1. Freddie sounds marginally better on the final night, although he's still has plenty of trouble with the song. |
HelloDelilah 24.10.2019 06:13 |
Hi Ryan, that was a great analysis. Thanks for all your videos! |
Vocal harmony 24.10.2019 15:50 |
Nice post Ryan. Interesting comparisons and views. |
ggo1 24.10.2019 16:56 |
Thanks for ploughing through the petty squabbling and actually providing an excellent response. I want to listen to the March 1st version now just to hear how shot Freddies voice was. |
The Real Wizard 24.10.2019 23:17 |
ggo1 wrote: Thanks for ploughing through the petty squabbling and actually providing an excellent response. I want to listen to the March 1st version now just to hear how shot Freddies voice was.It ain't shot, at least compared to a couple months later in Japan. He was fine for most of the European tour. |
The Real Wizard 24.10.2019 23:24 |
MemeOverlord69 wrote: Ryan Newton here. Believe it or not, I wasn't the one plugging my channel earlier in the thread, but thanks for that. For an actual answer to the original question, here's how I would rank the two Paris shows against each other. We Will Rock You Fast: 2/28. Freddie sounds much stronger on 2/28, and the band seem more into it than 3/1. Let Me Entertain You: 2/28. it's more energetic, but slightly sloppy, so if you prefer a cleaner, tighter version, 3/1 is your version here, but I still prefer 2/28 Somebody to Love: 2/28. Brian breaks a string during his solo on 3/1 and has to drop out for about 30 seconds. If You Can't Beat Them: 2/28. Freddie sounds slightly better on 2/28, and Brian's guitar work is just better throughout. Roger's drumming is a tad better on 3/1, but I'd put 2/28 over 3/1 still. Death On Two Legs: 2/28. Brian's guitar work on both version is phenomenal, but Freddie sounds a tad stronger on 2/28. Killer Queen: 3/1. Freddie doesn't speak sing as much on 3/1 (which I happen to favour), and Brian's solo is a bit less jumbled than 2/28. Bicycle Race: 3/1. Freddie sings the song a bit better, and Brian does some cool stuff during the choruses that isn't on 2/28. Also, the band lets the crowd ring the bells for once, a nice touch. I'm In Love With My Car: 2/28. Very good drumming and vocals from Roger on both nights, but Freddie flubs a piano chord at the beginning of the 3/1 version. Get Down Make Love: 3/1. This one is down to the nuances. Freddie has a bad crack early on in the 2/28 version, but Brian does some fascinating stuff with the feedback on his guitar. During the last chorus of the 2/28 version, Roger's vocals go out of sync with Freddie on one line. On the 3/1 version, Brian does some great little licks in the verses, and Freddie sounds a bit stronger throughout. Overall I'd say 3/1 is the stronger of the two, although neither are particularly noteworthy versions besides the fact that a bit of 3/1 was used on Live Killers. You're My Best Friend: 3/1. Freddie sounds quite tired on the 3/1 version, although the guitar work on 3/1 is certainly better, and getting some variety in the instrumentation on this song is always nice to hear considering how this song was usually very consistent in it's performances. Now I'm Here: 2/28. Both versions are great, but the band seem a bit more energetic on 2/28 and sound like they're having more fun with it. Don't Stop Me Now: 2/28. Freddie really struggles with the vocals on 3/1. Spread Your Wings: 2/28. Once again, Freddie struggles much more on 3/1. Brian's solo on 2/28 is also nuts. Dreamers Ball: 3/1. The band seem to have a bit more fun on this one, which is generally a good thing for a song like this. Love of My Life: 2/28. It's a bit hard to hear on the 3/1 audience recording, so I kind of have to automatically give this one to 2/28. Both seem pretty similar though. 39: 2/28. Not only is it a stronger version of the song, but 3/1 is cut, so 2/28 wins by default. It's Late: 2/28. Freddie is super tired on 3/1. Sometimes it sounds as if he's barely trying. There is some good instrumentation of both versions, but the vocals are superior on 2/28. Freddie also comes in early on the second chorus. Brighton Rock: 2/28. Although 3/1 has that nice segment of Dead On Time, 2/28's version just feels more cohesive and flows better. 3/1 sounds nice but there seems to be more fluff. Keep Yourself Alive: 3/1. 2/28's version is cut, and 3/1 is surprisingly good anyway. Bohemian Rhapsody: 3/1. Freddie sounds pretty rough on both, but Brian's playing on 2/28 isn't as precise as it could be, whereas he's very good on the 3/1 version. Tie Your Mother Down: 2/28. John has a bass flub on the 2/28 version, but Freddie doesn't even sound like he's trying to sing the song on the 3/1 version. Once again, passion over perfection in this case. Sheer Heart Attack: 2/28. Both versions are pretty solid, but Freddie sounds a tad better on 2/28. We Will Rock You: 3/1. Both versions are very similar, but I happen to like Brian's solo on 3/1 a bit more. We Are the Champions: 3/1. Freddie sounds marginally better on the final night, although he's still has plenty of trouble with the song.Great stuff - thanks for doing the heavy lifting. I've always enjoyed the 3-1 soundboard tracks. I remember hearing it for the first time about 20 years ago, as a first "soundboard" to compare to Live Killers. Mercury wasn't quite as strong as the live album, but to hear an alternate bunch of tracks was in itself a pretty enjoyable experience. I was hoping they'd do a LK box set this year, even with a three night Paris mish-mash like they did with Rainbow a few years back. I guess it wasn't meant to be. The bootleg stuff will have to do. |
Queen Fan MS 25.10.2019 03:54 |
Good analysis Ryan. I listen to your videos. Thank you. You missed FBG in your analysis : ). For me FBG was better on 2/28. It is a mix for me too. some songs sounded better on 2/28 and some on 3/1. In my view, even with the tired sounding voice, I like Jazz tour for the passion, energy Freddie put into each performance in fact by the whole band and added to that the banter, entertainment, atmosphere which were also great which hugely compensates for the negatives. When Freddie's voice is shot, he usually comes up with unique phrasings on the fly, for ex: born at all in BoRhap on 2/28 I think, ( which is a real skill IMO) which I also enjoy very much (not all works but most of them do). |
The Real Wizard 25.10.2019 15:30 |
Queen Fan MS wrote: When Freddie's voice is shot, he usually comes up with unique phrasings on the fly, for ex: born at all in BoRhap on 2/28 I think, ( which is a real skill IMO) which I also enjoy very much (not all works but most of them do).Bang on. He was indeed a master of knowing how to pace himself and cleverly choosing different intervals on the fly, pretty much always still sounding good. |
NastyQueenie74 25.10.2019 20:36 |
Queen Fan MS wrote: Good analysis Ryan. I listen to your videos. Thank you. You missed FBG in your analysis : ). For me FBG was better on 2/28. It is a mix for me too. some songs sounded better on 2/28 and some on 3/1. In my view, even with the tired sounding voice, I like Jazz tour for the passion, energy Freddie put into each performance in fact by the whole band and added to that the banter, entertainment, atmosphere which were also great which hugely compensates for the negatives. When Freddie's voice is shot, he usually comes up with unique phrasings on the fly, for ex: born at all in BoRhap on 2/28 I think, ( which is a real skill IMO) which I also enjoy very much (not all works but most of them do).Fat Bottomed Girls wasn’t played on the 2nd night. What you’ve heard is from the 1st night |
Queen Fan MS 26.10.2019 01:55 |
@NastyQueenie74 - You are right. My bad.I listened to first night and 3/1 and got them mixed. |