QueenZone discussion #1570895

SweetCaroline wrote: So thetman is the Milkman? I watched it and I still see Adam singing the song and not lip synching.

snifflese wrote: Maybe he had already started getting ill. I mentioned on here somewhere how much he was sweating that night. That could have been the start of the illness. Whatever it is/was, it must have been bad for him to cancel all those performances. Before everyone gets on their high horses, maybe there is a logical explanation and he might have had something pretty bad. I have no clue, but that would be a logical conclusion because nothing else would make sense. It has nothing to do with being perfect. No one is perfect and no one should expect them to be. People mess up, Icy and even the ever wonderful Freddie messed up and that is fine always with you, but others mess up too. That is part of being human, which I have decided you are not, since you never take anyone's feeling into account and always think something bad about everyone.

matt z wrote: I had thought that Brian's playing looked and sounded "un live" when i saw them first at 2014/Inglewood..... i hope this doesn't go far back into tours and was only owing to staging from the fact they shared the stage with so many others (i.e. precautionary) Feels like they did it and the pro tools tracks were dropped into the wrong time coding. That's why Adams vocal (*he never MADE THE PHYSICAL EFFORT OF YELLING PRIOR and the song tempo never stopped while it WAS in sync) emerges from out of nowhere. This is pretty shocking. I hope I'm just exhausted or something but it seems to be legit. Especially the first-hand interjecting comments. Wowzer! Thoughts???

ACCR wrote: People!! If you analyze.. probably the situation was that they use a backing vocal tape in case something could be wrong with sound... normally festivals have many problems with the sound.. as you know.. it's not the same preparation of a normal concert.. many artists, changes in audios, equipment, etc... Could be that this security tape was activated by mistake.. but I guarantee that they was playing-singing live (I was in front row)... and it was an amazing show!!!

21st Century Music Fan wrote: It's a tape in the background for certain but it's definently not for lip synching. It's a security or reherase tape that they had recorded and someone accidently played it. (Perhaps they were going to change the video on the screen...) I split this point 50/50 for Q+AL supporters and Q+AL haters. So if it's lip synched, how come Adam's lead vocal suddenly loudens by quite a bit when his microphone gets turned up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well all those who moan at everything they Q+AL are so negative they don't come across as particulary encouraging the enlargening Queen fan base at all. They just care about themselves. If you want Queen to have legendary status and to last forever then this is how you do it. The haters wait on here everyday hoping that they can't make a really negative point to prove everyone wrong so when an opportunity like this crops up of course they are going to select the worse case scenario. Believe me I can see some of your negative points about Queen + Adam Lambert are true or at least partly, but you'd shouldn't be that negative as it's doing such a great thing to the band. If you don't agree, selfish...

matt z wrote: You know what. UPON FURTHER REVIEW 1) WATCHING THE SCROLLING SCREEN as a timetable (*it never altered rhythm) 2) hearing audience testimonials (*last 5 seconds you hear "is the audio out of sync"? From a Napoleon Dynamite sounding guy. 3) THEY MIMED THE PERFORMANCE! !! HOLY SHIT! YOU ARE CORRECT SIR! i take it back. Goddamm i want my $350 back from four tickets on the last Tour

ACCR wrote: People!! If you analyze.. probably the situation was that they use a backing vocal tape in case something could be wrong with sound... normally festivals have many problems with the sound.. as you know.. it's not the same preparation of a normal concert.. many artists, changes in audios, equipment, etc... Could be that this security tape was activated by mistake.. but I guarantee that they was playing-singing live (I was in front row)... and it was an amazing show!!!

Iron Butterfly wrote: It looks like lip syncing to me. SweetCaroline, same video has been posted on QOL, so you don't need to pretend you can't watch it.

Sealion wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: It looks like lip syncing to me. SweetCaroline, same video has been posted on QOL, so you don't need to pretend you can't watch it.

All that was discussed on QOL (and here) about 2 weeks ago. You even took part in that discussion on QOL. Some members there explained, what happened. More than once. The case was settled. So I find it very dishonest and hypocritical, that you go on about lip syncing, while you know better. This discussion here doesn’t show Queen fans in any good light. Some of you might think, it’s fun to criticize QAL. But you’re forgetting at times, that things like this discussion here make Queen look bad as well. Don’t get me wrong: this thread itself would have been alright after that citizen show. But the ongoing discussion by so called ‚fans‘, who DO know better by know - but act as if they had no clue - is embarrassing for every true Queen fan.

snifflese wrote: Icy, no fans of Adam and QAL are saying the performance was perfect or any such nonsense. There were issues and personally, I think it had to do with the sound people. I have also seen them live 3 times and there was no lip synching. You can hear when Adam cracks up laughing or makes a remark or Brian snaps a string. No one says they are perfect all the time. That is in your mind as you are always so busy trying to find something wrong with them and their performances. Other people can hear a blooper or some mistake and still say it was magical and perfect. Other people can overlook a tiny little flaw in a great big show where everything was as wonderful as it could be and still say ,"Oh it was "perfect". Your standards are way too high. That is why you can't enjoy anything because nothing is ever perfect.

matt z wrote: Sounds plausible, Sealion... applause. Sealion. Urrt Urrt! only thing for certain is that it upset the audience audbly and was playback overriding live play. Roger had a "what the fuck do I do?? moment" when the drums went out of sync... Poor guys probably thought they'd taken too much medication/"medication" and it's true we all know Lambert doesn't need assistance (yet) with playback, his voice is naturally that high and pitchy.. used to only be the short guys (BOSTON) that could pull things like that off naturally. Video sync playback? Wouldn't that be time coded? or simply cued? Maybe it makes sense in case the rhythm is labored on any different night. Either way, sounded like a mess.. Wonder why they haven't addressed it.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Could they be embarrassed? AL has been laying low, because he was unwell and had to cancel network TV appearances and an Iheart performance. It's unlike him to be so quiet. I wish the guys would explain, but my take on it is that they'd rather brush it under the rug. I'd expect something like this to happen in the early Q+AL days, but this far in, and for a big time event...yikes, it was a mess. Not their best at all.

matt z wrote: Just to point. It was in sync for most of the song.. now whether it's a security tape or it was a dupe for Adam to mime to to give himself a rest, for the (entire?) song, i wouldn't know. Would require further scrutiny than my life is able to give at the moment (i.e. tracking down prior performances and testing wavelengths) But like i said maybe they mimed some of this as it was a shared bill. (*a point lost on the retort of the Glambertstein monster here) I'm just shocked that this revealed they have a track and may be using em. You DO realize that live "performance" I'm the pop (not Rock) world often utilizes stuff like this which can be conveyed rather sophisticatedsophisticatedly with vocal triggers. I.e. it's no longer simply played back but the performer can dip out if there's no input from their own voice at the time. It's a cheat and is being utilized all over. ..even making it's way into rock acts. It's just shocking this happened at all. I hadn't bothered to look back at it when this all came out because it's kind of a boring gig. Seems the band thought so as well. KISS is currently ripping off bands by doing nearly their entire act with tracks (excuses given to coordinating time sync with the visuals aren't forgiven - there have been multiple comparisons from show to show indicating they're donning the gear and walking onstage but hardly performing)

SweetCaroline wrote: Yup, they are professional. So they just carried on as if nothing happened. Imagine that? They didn’t cuss, cry or start over! “Carry on, carry on as if nothing ever happened. Nothing really matters. Any way the wind blows!”

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Could they be embarrassed? AL has been laying low, because he was unwell and had to cancel network TV appearances and an Iheart performance. It's unlike him to be so quiet. I wish the guys would explain, but my take on it is that they'd rather brush it under the rug. I'd expect something like this to happen in the early Q+AL days, but this far in, and for a big time event...yikes, it was a mess. Not their best at all.

Why would they explain something that was simply some kind of sound, sync error or similar? To my knowledge they've never gone public to explain any mistakes in the past so why would they now and it was far from a mess, that was one song and they got rave reviews in the media and from fans at the show for the entire concert, one small sync mistake in an hour concert could hardly be considered to have spoiled the whole thing, it's live, shit happens.

SweetCaroline wrote: ACCR, you better believe it. I only saw one but it was golden! 10 cities! Did you hitch a ride on that QAL private plane?

snifflese wrote: But who cares if there was a little glitch? Wow, aren't you special because you saw something wasn't right with the performance. It was one song and then they carried on as all great performers do. I remember when Adam singing a line wrong in BR was a big deal for you and worth talking about for the next year. No one is perfect and most people can ignore a tiny slip up and still say, wasn't that great? I don't think it ruined anybody else's enjoyment of the performance, as people seemed to be loving it on TV. Small wonder that the real Queen fans can make such a mountain out of a molehill. Unbelievable. I hope you are that perfect and picky in your own life. You must be a real joy to live with is all I can say.

snifflese wrote: It has nothing to do with Adam or Freddie really. It was a glitch in the sound system somehow. I doubt a whole lot of people anywhere else have been agonizing over this big problem. They rolled with it and carried and enjoyed the rest of the concert. I watched it on TV and thought it was a little odd and then forgot about it. It is a nothing burger, much ado about nothing, that doesn't require an explanation or an apology or an anything. Artists don't need to tell anyone if there is a little problem. They may not even be sure exactly what caused this little blip. This reminds me of the wrong lines in BR which was brought up forever. When things are done live, there are little problems. Such is life. I brought Freddie up because he is your idol and the person you measure everyone else up to and he had issues some nights. So what? How many months will this HUGE mistake be discussed here on QOL? I think the topic is already past its expiration date. it is not that interesting!

snifflese wrote: But who cares and why would Roger and Brian address it? It is not our business and they may not even be sure and probably aren't as upset about it as your are. Nobody is saying Adam is perfect, where do you get that from? I have said he makes mistakes, but I don't think he can be blamed for this one. I don't care if he flubs a line or any of that other stuff. I don't expect perfection out of anyone. I think he makes less mistakes singing than almost anyone because of his technique. His singing is impeccable even if he flubs a line. He has broken down laughing when something silly happens and the audience laughs with him. No one maintains he is perfect, but for me, the shows are as close to perfect as they can be even with little bloopers. I could give him an earful about mistakes I think he makes with his career and his music, so no, I don't think he is perfect at all.

Saint Jiub wrote: All I hear is CNB blah blah

Iron Butterfly wrote: Because some of us picked up on some thing/s not being right with performance. At least you admit shit happens. I really don't think this was their best performance by a long shot.

SweetCaroline wrote: matt z, you are 100% correct! Over at QOL, icy is complaining that QAL didn’t get crucified by the press like Ashlee Simpson did for purposely lip synching her SNL performance. The mix-up at the Global Citizens show certainly was NOT on purpose or planned! Icy wants the glitch to be Adam’s fault because she resents him so much!

matt z wrote: Jesus this damn thing doesn't stop does it? Icy wanted this she wanted that you wanted this. FFS just stop it. Nobody fucking listens to Adele here. Gotta use that personal forum for tossing insults and speculative suggestion around. The discussion about what may have actually occurred is pretty much over.

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy wanted Brian to say, “oh shit” like Adele does when she messes up (several times on live TV) and stop and start over! She forgives Adele because she wanted to make the song perfect. Also, she has never been to a live QAL show which is always so magnificent that if there is a tiny glitch no one gives a flying fuckaroo! There were sound problems that night for several performers such as Carole King. Also, on MSNBC we didn’t see the whole Rami intro because they were showing an earlier interview with Adam.

Believe me I can see some of your negative points about Queen + Adam Lambert are true or at least partly, but you'd shouldn't be that negative as it's doing such a great thing to the band. If you don't agree, selfish...

stevelondon20 wrote: Runner is consistently negative.

snifflese wrote: You are one of the few with that viewpoint, so it is best to ignore you! Go put your nose in the corner and chill for a while!

princetom wrote: for i don't haven't read all the hate provided here... . yes. it looks like lip-syching. maybe it was just spike hitting the wrong key. hell... this is TV. just another game. i'm sure there's no backup neccessary whilst performing their regular shows. although i don't know. well. it istn't like freddie hadn't lip synched before... was it the works tour ? i guess so. there was some kind of TV-show, wasn't there ? it isn't like brian had done the same in '98... on "on my way up" on italian tv, hasn't he ? (correct me if i'm wrong.) so what ? they did a TV gig. in order to have everything going and running they may have had some outside help in form of a backing tape. it's common for THAT kind of show. . simple as that.

princetom wrote: for i don't haven't read all the hate provided here... . yes. it looks like lip-syching. maybe it was just spike hitting the wrong key. hell... this is TV. just another game. i'm sure there's no backup neccessary whilst performing their regular shows. although i don't know. well. it istn't like freddie hadn't lip synched before... was it the works tour ? i guess so. there was some kind of TV-show, wasn't there ? it isn't like brian had done the same in '98... on "on my way up" on italian tv, hasn't he ? (correct me if i'm wrong.) so what ? they did a TV gig. in order to have everything going and running they may have had some outside help in form of a backing tape. it's common for THAT kind of show. . simple as that.

Iron Butterfly wrote: Freddie lip synched at one event, that im aware of, not for a whole tour, but do try to turn the tables on Freddie to try to make AL look better.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Freddie lip synched at one event, that im aware of, not for a whole tour, but do try to turn the tables on Freddie to try to make AL look better.

A whole tour? Hope you aren't serious!!

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Freddie lip synched at one event, that im aware of, not for a whole tour, but do try to turn the tables on Freddie to try to make AL look better.

A whole tour? Hope you aren't serious!!

He lip synched at the San Remo Festival. .. not for a whole tour. And yes, one could tell he was lip syncing.

snifflese wrote: Nobody is turning tables on Freddie, but you look at him as the gold standard and he does no wrong (even when you say he did something wrong). How can you hold Adam to a different standard? And it wasn't just Adam, the whole band was off. There was no lip synching, it is the stupidest thing I have ever heard if you think about it for a while. You people will entertain any idea no matter how dubious, if you think it puts Adam and QAL in a negative light. They you sit there, rubbomg your hands together and are just as gleeful as you can all be. Kind of sickening actually. There was a technical glitch, nobody cared except on the Queen boards, and everyone else enjoyed the show and moved on. It is as simple as that.

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote:

rockchic65 wrote:

Iron Butterfly wrote: Freddie lip synched at one event, that im aware of, not for a whole tour, but do try to turn the tables on Freddie to try to make AL look better.

A whole tour? Hope you aren't serious!!

He lip synched at the San Remo Festival. .. not for a whole tour. And yes, one could tell he was lip syncing.

I meant you were suggesting QAL lip synced whole tours.

princetom wrote: yes... the san remo festival it was. sorry for not remembering that kind of venue. not a whole tour. "it's a hard life" proves THAT. . yes brian lip-synched, too... not remembering the special venue... but he made fun of it.... doing. .if AL synched for a whole tour. i could not imagine. because he has a full bag of pipes... and he's .... yes: "dangeraous" to deliver. and he's welcome imho. he's a spare singer the best one one could wish... to deliver the whole range of songs that... "queen"-band was able to compose. oh. i wish for a "miracle" to happen. or an "innuendo". let's wait and see. he's doing well. the performance of "love kills" was grand. and yet an encomplishment to its original creator. no. AL won't be any mercury at any time. imho. he's welcome. to deliver some kind of sound we all would miss. brian don't seem to write any songs anymore. roger... indeed does ... but not the kind of "hits" (welcome anyways!) . they keep their legacy alive. so what ? personally i enjoyed their kind of works. didn't you ? didn't you enjoy some brian and roger to play live ? . and ... yes... initially... the kind of subject was a tv gig. special rules... as i intended to say. not what they hadn't do, yet.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam has NEVER lip synced EVER !!!!!

SweetCaroline wrote: “LIVE and dangerous!” Don’t you think it is dangerous when Brian gets elevated on that platform to play his red special in “outer space” with planets revolving around him? :-)

SweetCaroline wrote: “LIVE and dangerous!” Don’t you think it is dangerous when Brian gets elevated on that platform to play his red special in “outer space” with planets revolving around him? :-)

snifflese wrote: I thought it was a great part of the show and had waited for Brian to get up there and do his thing. He is a rock icon and cheesy is not a word to describe anything Dr. May does. In Boston no one left their seats and it was so outer worldly! He still shreds amazingly and is one of the world's best guitar players and it is amazing at his age, but go ahead and make fun of him because that is what you people always do. Only small people constantly deride and make fun of others! I doubt if Adam or the others have ever lip synched as QAL. That is an idea that is anathema to all of them. If it makes you feel better about yourselves to push this false narrative, go for it, but I doubt anyone believes this nonsense but you few on here. Adam has said many times that is something he doesn't do and with his voice, there is no good reason. They are always live and I am positive from the shows I have seen, as there are too many cracking up moments that would let you know right away and why would they? They are some of the best musicians and singers in the world. Good for Pink!! Doesn't make the show any better! I am surprised that you don't call it over the top and too much and keep it simple like you always do for QAL, but we all know that the things you criticize are never bad when someone besides Adam does them.

SweetCaroline wrote: Icy doesn’t own Freddie and she doesn’t own Pink. I love her acrobatic routines especially when she did it to “Glitter In The Air” which is my favorite. She can keep Sam and Adele all to herself! LOL

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam fans ARE Queen fans! Try getting that through your thick skull. Only difference is we are nicer than so-called Queen fans who think they own Freddie body and soul and hate anyone who threatens to take him away from them!

snifflese wrote: I know you like other artists,Icy. You basically like anyone but Adam. Gaga, Pink, SS, Smile, you name it. No matter who someone brings up you like them, their music, etc. They can be doing just what Adam does, but you don't like him doing the same thing. You just have a thing for Adam, just like you do for Caroline. I am not sure what triggers your animosity, but with Adam, I think it is that he is just too good and somehow that threatens Freddie's legacy. You don't like the accolades that Adam receives or how people say he is the best stand in for Freddie you could hope to find. You don't like that QAL performs and you resent them. Although to almost anyone else, they are keeping the music alive and bringing in new fans! You only want praise for Freddie, which makes no sense at all. Music lives on even after the principals have passed on. That is the nature of timeless music and QAL is doing that with their shows.

PrimeJiveUSA wrote: LOL I got a hearty laugh, Snifflese from your observation that no matter WHO is brought up that Icy likes! I don't know if that's true or not but it sure sounds hilarious. I'm a lifelong fan that is fine with QAL for what it is. We American fans never even got another Queen tour after 1982 so I know a lot of serious fans that are fine with this collaboration and are thankful to see Brian and Roger while they still can.

SweetCaroline wrote: Adam fans ARE Queen fans! Try getting that through your thick skull. Only difference is we are nicer than so-called Queen fans who think they own Freddie body and soul and hate anyone who threatens to take him away from them!

PrimeJiveUSA wrote: Icy...no offense. I was just laughing at the way he characterized you. As I said, I didn't know if it was true or not. I, too, like many other artists other than Queen. I have to say that Queen has always been my all-time favorite.

SweetCaroline wrote: I give up — again !!!!!

snifflese wrote: You always throw Adam fans a bone with the Feel Something or Save Me business. Basically, you don't like anything he sings with Queen and that is fine, but you try to couch it as being a fan of his. That is BS! I don't know where you get off telling people they are not Queen fans. How would you know? You are so far up Freddie's butt (as you are always saying about us and Adam) that you can't see straight. If Gaga and Fun sing with Queen (which they did) and they sounded like crap and looked ridiculous, you thought they did a good job. Everything with you is good. People can sing off pitch (it is with emotion which Adam doesn't do, so for someone else it is fine); they can be totally unpracticed (like Gaga with Queen that time) but Adam always should have practiced more and QAL also; they can screw up songs like Adele (but she was emotional) and we hear about Adam singing a few lines of BR wrong for a year and the clincher is: You guys talking about Freddie lip synching somewhere and you find it "cheeky" and kind of cute, I guess, but you are ready to crucify QAL for the Global Citizen's Glitch when it had nothing to do with lip synching. The list goes on and on over the years. It is beyond ridiculous at this point. As far as Adam being so good singing with Queen, I bet there are hundreds of thousands of tweets to that effect. I am not bigging up, I am stating Facts! Just like this is a QAL thread not just a Queen thread and we can talk about them here. That is what it is here for. I hate when you say on a Queen board, no less! Get a grip! And yes, as long as Brian and Roger are playing they are carrying on the music with Adam. No one says they haven't been doing things before, but they are now doing a hell of a lot more and gaining thousands of new fans that weren't necessarily Queen fans before. They have been on TV twice to huge audiences in the past year and they have played to hundreds of thousands of people in the last 5 years alone. Can you not do some math and see that all that publicity has to engender new fans? I read tweets all the time about being a new to Queen fan as a result of QAL. Take your blinders off and your head out of Freddie's butt and maybe you could see the truth, what most of us see. There is no gnawing of fingernails, Icy, Freddie is a legend and grows bigger every year. Adam is not and will never be, but I don't care. I just care about the untruths and awful things you people say here. The only gnawing is from your end of the playpen!! I am happy with things as they are. I don't need legends and gloating and all the BS you spout on here. I am happy to go to a concert of theirs and just enjoy it for what it is.

snifflese wrote: Icy, no fans of Adam and QAL are saying the performance was perfect or any such nonsense. There were issues and personally, I think it had to do with the sound people. I have also seen them live 3 times and there was no lip synching. You can hear when Adam cracks up laughing or makes a remark or Brian snaps a string. No one says they are perfect all the time. That is in your mind as you are always so busy trying to find something wrong with them and their performances. Other people can hear a blooper or some mistake and still say it was magical and perfect. Other people can overlook a tiny little flaw in a great big show where everything was as wonderful as it could be and still say ,"Oh it was "perfect". Your standards are way too high. That is why you can't enjoy anything because nothing is ever perfect.

snifflese wrote: I obviously meant not enjoying QAL, you obviously enjoy anyone but! Read more carefully, that is half of your problem!

snifflese wrote: You are the Queen of ignoring facts and just twisting everything to fit into your crazy world view. You just can't see yourself and I obviously can't get you to understand. You only see one thing. If you could explain why Freddie was cheeky lip synching and if Adam had done that, it would have been awful. Look at all the stuff said in this thread when some of you called them out for lip synching and, of course, it wasn't. But when dear Freddie does the exact same thing, there is never an issue. It is cheeky, original, blah, blah, blah Logic obviously goes out the window here. The only ranting, butt hurt, gloating, etc, person on here is you.

PrimeJiveUSA wrote: LOL San Reno was a mess all around. I believe that's where Brian and Roger got into a fight backstage and Roger sprayed hair spray in Brian's face. Freddie even stopped miming during Tear It Up which is probably Brian's "cheesiest" song alongside Dancer

snifflese wrote: The Global Citizen show was a Queen plus performance. Who the heck do you think was performing if not QAL? You don't think at all, Icy, or else you wouldn't say some of the ridiculous things that you do. They make no sense half the time. We all know everything Freddie did (and most other artists!) was/is cheeky and funny and great and emotional and camp, but anything done exactly the same way by Adam and QAL is bad. Got it!! Who cares if you like some other artists, great, but the point (for the last time) is that they all get passes for doing the same things Adam does and he is the only one ever called out by you for the exact same things. Do you understand what I am saying? You can't have two different standards for people. That is the last I am going to say because it is not computing with you and I can only say it so many ways. End of story.

snifflese wrote: It is useless. It is like talking to a 2 year old.