| Marlamir 07.02.2019 22:23 |
When kurgan post link for the free alternative of wow&flutter remover i couldnt help myself and go and try to do something with the HP shitty audio. Well it was big pain in ass to work with this and i spent nearly an hour only with this 1 minute(cut to 30s for video) segment and came up with this. It's still far from perfection and some of the flutter was just to strong to correct but i have to say it does sound much better. What do you think? (video removed, see page2) (0:00 > 0:30 before and 0:30 >1:00 after) |
| Thistle 07.02.2019 23:15 |
If it took an hour to correct 1 minute, just for it to still sound poor (not your effort, I don't mean your effort is poor) then it might not be a worthwhile project. |
| alberbal12 07.02.2019 23:30 |
Sorry if I disturb but, where I can download that wow & flutter remover? Thanks in advance. |
| Marlamir 07.02.2019 23:42 |
I think the same Thistle. Is just took quite some time and its still far from perfect. Maybe with some bigger eq and stuff it can sound not that bad but not sure if its worth it. Maybe in free time i will be correcting the audio only for myself cause i really like that show. @alberbal12 here is it: link |
| . 08.02.2019 10:20 |
Since the wow and flutter only occurs in small segments, perhaps the project doesn't seem so daunting after all? Having said that, there are versions from the video feed that do not suffer from the wow and flutter in the first place. |
| Marlamir 08.02.2019 10:59 |
Now with the "hype" calm down i really not think is worth it yeah. Also speaking about wow and flutter free source, do you know where to get one? I never find any except audience stuff. |
| dave76 08.02.2019 16:54 |
It's always good to see that fans have a go at this classic concert. Since we never will get it from the band in our lifetime it's good that people try to make it better and share it here. |
| . 08.02.2019 16:57 |
Rather than seeking a clean mono but lossy source from the video feed, why not put pressure on QP to release this concert officially? |
| brunolezouf 08.02.2019 17:43 |
Very nice try but if it indeed takes an hour to correct one minute, it's going to be a lifetime work. But I'm impressed by the gain. As you say it's far from perfect but it's not so bad. I don't know the HP show very well because it's quite a pain listening to it and I don't know the ratio flutter / clear sound but if you feel like going on, why not? As we say in French "Bon courage" . It shows what could be done by QP but will probably never be. |
| QueenAllTheWay 08.02.2019 20:05 |
Is this the audio remastered for CM's Edit of Hyde Park 1976? Why not try using Kurgan's audio transfer from his tape? |
| Marlamir 08.02.2019 21:17 |
The Kurgan wrote: Rather than seeking a clean but lossy mono source from the video feed, why not put pressure on QP to release this concert officially?Sounds like i(we) have bigger chance to win in lottery than make them relleased something that is worth it... The original source was the lattest wardour rellease shared by gwyneth here, idk which source they use. I believe kurgan transfer sound better but link i found is dead, any chance of reupload? |
| Thistle 08.02.2019 21:29 |
It only happens in small segments? The whole thing is horrible. Really a pain to listen to. I applaud Marlamir for trying, but I can't see it ever becoming listenable. If I recall the conversation properly, it's been said that Sikke has the best version. I don't know if that's right, but from the snippets he's put up from his tape, it still sounds garbage. Of course it would be great of QP released it officially - but I agree with Marlamir that there's a better chance of winning the lottery ;) |
| . 08.02.2019 21:48 |
Marlamir wrote: The original source was the lattest wardour rellease shared by gwyneth here, idk which source they use. I believe kurgan transfer sound better but link i found is dead, any chance of reupload?The audio they used on their bootleg is a very lossy one from the video feed. I stand by my comment regarding the wow and flutter on the raw audio flac transfer I shared. |
| Marlamir 08.02.2019 22:05 |
Wardour version have shittload of wow&flutter issue but many of them are barrely noticeable or vissible only on waveform. From what i remember your version kurgan is way more cleaner from this but still have quite couple of them. |
| . 08.02.2019 22:22 |
Yes, some segments where this occurs are quite noticeable. These segments can be logged using a video copy as a guide, as the picture also goes haywire at the same point the wow and flutter occurs. It's not an easy fix as you've already discovered, the software would take some time to master. Whether it's worth the effort depends on the individual considering the task. |
| . 09.02.2019 00:14 |
If you really want to have a go, I'll make a high res mono transfer for you to work with. Perhaps you could try tinkering with a sample of White Queen first? If so, drop me a pm with your email address. |
| MarlspalQ 09.02.2019 03:23 |
Please look at PM Marlamir, talk to you I have about this venture. |
| Marlamir 09.02.2019 12:23 |
@The Kurgan I'm not 100% sure in this but i think i will try something to do and if you will be able to do the mono transfer that would be truly outstanding from you but i think the sample first will be better idea to see if its worth it or not. Check your pm kurgan. @MarlspalQ Thanks, i will check the message. |
| . 09.02.2019 13:28 |
I sent you a raw 24/96 link, good luck and don't worry (I'm not expecting miracles!) |
| MackMantilla 09.02.2019 14:50 |
I hope something interesting can result from this, so an improved audio could be used for a BD edition. Thanks to everyone involved. |
| . 09.02.2019 15:07 |
MackMantilla wrote: I hope something interesting can result from this, so an improved audio could be used for a BD edition. Thanks to everyone involved.So you are upscaling (re-encoding) an already re-encoded source, or am I misunderstanding? |
| Marlamir 10.02.2019 16:48 |
Ok so i try to do some work with the kurgan sample and the result are pretty much same as before. Some flutter was removed completely and the stronger ones was reduced. Also i tried to reduced the disortion artifacts at least little bit and here is the result. Result are that you will hear the changes but its still not perfect and because of audio quality and i dont think i can do much more to it. What do you think? |
| . 10.02.2019 16:59 |
Nice try, it still sounds pretty bad at 1:24 and 2:08 though. |
| Marlamir 10.02.2019 17:04 |
Honestly im not sure how to fix those type of things. |
| . 10.02.2019 17:10 |
No worries, it would probably take some extreme adjustment within the software (I'll look into it). Or you could patch in the alternative sample I sent you instead? |
| Thistle 10.02.2019 18:03 |
Mate, I think that sounds MUCH better. Obviously not perfect, but a big improvement. |
| MarlspalQ 10.02.2019 18:08 |
Check again the PM Marlamir thank you much. |
| Marlamir 10.02.2019 19:00 |
Thank you Thistle very much and thank you Kurgan for the file, can i ask from what source was it? never heard version without those two pitch wow things. Now can i ask you kurgan for the full source if you don't mind? I think i will try the whole thing, for me any improvements are welcome. Thank you :) @MarlspalQ I will soon. Here is the patched sample with slightly reduced noise aswell link |
| . 10.02.2019 22:50 |
I have emailed you all the file links. I've also asked the author of the software (who resides at the traders' den) if he considers the wow and flutter any more fixable, considering the severity. I'll let you know if he replies and offers any assistance. |
| Marlamir 11.02.2019 13:04 |
I recived your email kurgan, thank you VERY much for your help and time. You are awesome man.
The Kurgan wrote: I've also asked the author of the software (who resides at the traders' den) if he considers the the wow and flutter any more fixable, considering the severity. I'll let you know if he replies and offers any assistance.Allrighty then, sounds interesting. |
| . 11.02.2019 13:13 |
Good luck with your venture. This concert is very special for me as it was the first Queen concert I attended. I was just 15 at the time, but made it right to the front of the stage. |
| Marlamir 11.02.2019 13:18 |
Thank you sir :). The Manor Mobile Unit reel transfer sounds interesting what kind of transfer is it? |
| . 11.02.2019 13:20 |
Multitrack reel. |
| Marlamir 11.02.2019 13:37 |
@Kurgan Damn how lucky you was seeing this great concert right from the front, this is really cool but the question is-can you be seen on the video? :) Also are you kidding that multitrack reel exist for this concert? |
| . 11.02.2019 13:37 |
See your email. |
| Marlamir 11.02.2019 13:48 |
I just saw it and holy shit dude... Known there is this thing available for one of my favourite concert is just awesome. Huge thanks for this. |
| pittrek 11.02.2019 18:00 |
Wait ... did I read a multi-track real? |
| . 11.02.2019 18:01 |
No, a reel. |
| pittrek 11.02.2019 18:02 |
I prefer it imaginary :-( |
| . 11.02.2019 18:03 |
Then pretend it isn't there. |
| Marlamir 11.02.2019 19:39 |
Wait...reel. That means all track merged together am i correct? |
| . 11.02.2019 20:14 |
A multitrack reel contains all the tracks independently. Up to 24 ouputs could be plugged in and mixed in a live environment and recorded simultaneously to a one directional 2" tape at up to 30 ips. |
| Marlamir 11.02.2019 20:54 |
Ahaa, so this how this thing works. Thanks for making this clear for me. |
| . 11.02.2019 20:56 |
This video delves rather more into studio recording, but it will give you a general idea as to how it would work in a live environment. |
| Marlamir 11.02.2019 21:23 |
That was really great video full of great info.thanks for showing this here. now i know everything i need about this reel i guess. |
| Marlamir 12.02.2019 22:07 |
Allright so, the reason why i posting this here is this. After 2 days i think i found out what exactly i will do to the audio and i would want some oppinions from more than just my ears. I was mostly scared to touch eq for this but i'm happy how its turned out. Should i keep it like that? (video removed) |
| Thistle 12.02.2019 23:08 |
This sounds better, and Freddie doesn't sound so "warbly". |
| . 13.02.2019 10:03 |
Marlamir wrote: Allright so, the reason why i posting this here is this. After 2 days i think i found out what exactly i will do to the audio and i would want some oppinions from more than just my ears. I was mostly scared to touch eq for this but i'm happy how its turned out. Should i keep it like that?To be honest I can hardly tell the difference, so it must be a very subtle change. It doesn't sound any worse though (which is a good thing!) As far as I'm aware my transfer didn't suffer from any wow and flutter during Ogre Battle, so what exactly did you do on this sample? |
| Marlamir 14.02.2019 14:53 |
I'm still focusing mostly on flutter reduction so yeah the eq is very subtle. |
| . 14.02.2019 15:00 |
Ok, thanks for update. Was there much flutter during Ogre Battle then? |
| Marlamir 14.02.2019 15:24 |
Well freddie vocals was mostly clean or noticable with extreme loudnes only. Can't tell the same about brian guitar which have some issue. |
| . 14.02.2019 18:02 |
I would say concentrate on the audio where the video goes wobbly at the same time. Otherwise you might be trying to fix something that doesn't really need fixing. Besides that it will take you forever! |
| Marlamir 14.02.2019 19:05 |
Thanks for the advice, sadly when the audio start to be wobbly too much there nothing i can do so even that many parts will be free there still going to be few of the stronger flutter :/ Like here, piano flutter was removed but freddie flutter in some spots are still here and you can hear the eq change better here as well. |
| . 14.02.2019 22:17 |
Yes, I can hear the difference now and it does sound a bit better. It's not the best quality to start with of course, so I hope you don't waste too much of your life on it! |
| Marlamir 15.02.2019 19:49 |
I hope too, so far if nothing bad happen in real life i'm sure it can be done around end of this month. |
| . 15.02.2019 20:45 |
No rush, just do it in your spare time but take plenty of breaks ;-D Thanks for having a go. |
| Marlamir 15.02.2019 21:10 |
Sure thing. I usually giving myself limit how much time i spent on something and i going to have a lot free tine ahead. |
| Marlamir 17.02.2019 21:01 |
Allright is me again. I got idea how to patch some of the "tape dying" or whatever they called issue but im not really sure if i want it to do it or not. The idea is that i will patch some issue that didn't have clean part from other video feed with the audience recording and i will just eq the audience to sound more closer to video feed to make the transition less pain to hear but idk is good idea or not? Here is quick sample |
| Thistle 17.02.2019 21:28 |
That's nicely patched, I think. |
| . 17.02.2019 23:05 |
Marlamir wrote: Allright is me again. I got idea how to patch some of the "tape dying" or whatever they called issue but im not really sure if i want it to do it or not. The idea is that i will patch some issue that didn't have clean part from other video feed with the audience recording and i will just eq the audience to sound more closer to video feed to make the transition less pain to hear but idk is good idea or not? Here is quick sampleThe patch is good but I personally don't like that idea myself, and think they are best left as separate entities. It's your call at the end of the day though. |
| Marlamir 19.02.2019 13:20 |
I feel kinda the same way. I mean the bad part of the audio will be clean and corrected which i really like but not sure if it's good idea to bring different source that has nothing to do with video feed especially with downgraded quality to it. I think i will leave this idea. Thanks for the feedback. |
| katman 26.02.2019 17:10 |
A Quad/surround mix with the audience in the rear would be interesting, would the recordings be difficult to sync ? |