Anton3283 03.02.2018 12:56 |
I wonder if we will see reissue this year This year Jazz album 40th Anniversary, you know. |
mooghead 03.02.2018 15:34 |
Are you mental? |
jrd1951 03.02.2018 16:03 |
Why not? A big fan's favorite.The Dr is on great form,and 'in only seven days' another masterpiece from the pen of Mr Deacon. |
Anton3283 03.02.2018 16:18 |
No |
mooghead 03.02.2018 18:45 |
Why post a pic of the album cover? We know. |
Anton3283 03.02.2018 18:47 |
You don't |
Thistle 03.02.2018 19:37 |
He does. |
Vocal harmony 03.02.2018 19:58 |
We all know! It just appears that Mr 3283 seems to think he's discovered something that only he knows! |
Anton3283 03.02.2018 19:59 |
Blah blah blah coming soon 1978 |
brians wig 03.02.2018 21:22 |
I really hope Jazz get's the same treatment as NOTW did last year. I can't remember which song it is, but one of them started off life with completely different lyrics... |
cmsdrums 03.02.2018 21:28 |
I would imagine a lot of them started off with different lyrics - that’s usually the last piece of the jigsaw finalised. |
mike hunt 03.02.2018 21:33 |
Weakest 70's Queen album, so don't think it will get the star treatment like NOTW did. Aside from having more weaker tracks than the previous six albums I still love it. So many underrated tracks on this one....Dead On Time is one of their best, so I would love too see a Jazz box. Just don't think it will happen. |
The Ghost of Lester Burnham 03.02.2018 21:36 |
Wait, that's what the album cover looks like?? |
Jimmy Dean 04.02.2018 02:09 |
it really is Queen's worst album. If it didn't have 3 huge singles - more of you would agree. not only does it have the highest percentage of weak tracks, but it also has a bad running order and is in my opinion the worst-produced album in their catalog. This will only get a super deluxe treatment if it's done for every one of their albums. They probably rushed this one out to bank off NOTW + go on tour.. |
mike hunt 04.02.2018 02:43 |
No way is Jazz their worst album....in my view only The Game is better as far as their 80's albums go. The 3 singles and Let Me Entertain You, Dead On Time, Dreamers Ball, Jealously and for me Mustaph are really good. Oh, and leaving Home ain't easy is nice as well. |
Vocal harmony 04.02.2018 04:57 |
Anton3283 wrote: Blah blah blah coming soon 1978No that one came and went just before 1979 happened! |
Wiley 04.02.2018 07:01 |
Why don't they go back and do all the 70s albums in Special editions like NOTW over a period of, say, 3 years or so? I don't want to have to wait until 2025 to hear a decent special edition of ANATO. They always do this: half-ass or overlook the first batch off whatever they put out and then they perfect/correct it... before getting bored and stop doing it altogether. That's why GVH1 sucks, GVH2 is Ok and we got no GVH3. Oh, and did anyone get all 100 of Queen's Top 100 Bootlegs... |
mooghead 04.02.2018 09:43 |
Jazz isn't good. The first album in my opinion to contain filler. Too busy still touring the NOTW album to give suitable time to the next project. The only thing that would interest me is if they completely remixed it, not remastered but remixed in the same way that version of Under Pressure was remixed on the Classic Queen album and gave it a complete and amazing shot in the arm (the origins of which are still shockingly unknown) Still puzzles me how they wanted a whole new direction with NOTW from previous albums and it seemed to work to the bands liking so what do they do next? Get RTB to produce the next one? Bizarre?! |
Anton3283 04.02.2018 13:24 |
I really do not understand by what criteria did you determine that this album is the worst. In my point of view the weakest album is Flash Gordon although Flash Gordon is not album, only soundtrack |
tomchristie22 04.02.2018 14:35 |
With better production and sequencing, it could've been a really terrific album. I think it's crazy to rank it anywhere near the bottom spot in their catalogue. Like Queen II, omit the Roger composition/s and you're left with something a lot better. More of that Jazz doesn't incense me like it does some people, but it's definitely among the weakest material on the album. Fun It has a good riff and the verses are fine, but the bridge is among Roger's worst writing, both lyrically and musically ('Hey everybody, everybody gonna have a good time tonight'). |
Star* 04.02.2018 15:00 |
No way is "JAZZ" the worst Queen album, i think INNUENDO takes that title as the band were just letting Freddie sing anything to get the work out of him. I do believe though that Brian & Roger still have a lot of private unreleased stuff that they wont let go off as its better than what has previously been released. We aint seen half of the brilliance in the archives yet and Freddie has been gone 26 years! Maybe when May & Taylor are hard up they might give in and treat us all ! |
Holly2003 04.02.2018 15:01 |
With the possible exceptions of Misfire and Loser in the End, I don't think there's a weak song on any of the 1970s albums, and even those songs have their moments. In the 1980s Don't Try Suicide and Coming Soon are nothing special, but the real crap began with Body Language, and then we had laughably bad songs like Tear It Up, Man on the Prowl, Friends will be Friends, Don't Lose Your Head, Party, Khashoggi's Ship, Chinese Torture, Hang on in There, Ride the Wild Wind, Delilah, and Too Much Love Will Kill You -- all of which I could do without ever hearing again. I've been charitable to about another 10 songs Queen released after The Game which are basically filler but have some redeeming qualities (such as My Life Has Been Saved). |
Holly2003 04.02.2018 15:09 |
happystar wrote: I do believe though that Brian & Roger still have a lot of private unreleased stuff that they wont let go off as its better than what has previously been released. We aint seen half of the brilliance in the archives yetThere's not a shred of evidence to support that. Why would you assume that stuff that wasn't good enough to get onto an album originally would be better than what was released? I can only think of a few examples of that, and those songs ended up as b-sides i.e. See What a fool I've Been and A Human Body. Let Me in Your Heart Again was surprisingly good and if it wasn't for similarities to Hammer to Fall, it would've been a better option than Tear it Up or Man on the Prowl on The Works. Most of the other 'good' stuff ended up on solo albums. I mean, how bad must a song be if it didn't make it onto a Queen 1980s' album or a Cross album? Fucking abysmal, I'll bet! |
mooghead 04.02.2018 16:06 |
"I really do not understand by what criteria did you determine that this album is the worst. In my point of view the weakest album is Flash Gordon although Flash Gordon is not album, only soundtrack" If you are talking to me I didn't say it was the worst. |
Anton3283 04.02.2018 16:08 |
To mooghead: no I do not talk to you. |
mooghead 04.02.2018 16:10 |
"I do believe though that Brian & Roger still have a lot of private unreleased stuff that they wont let go off as its better than what has previously been released. We aint seen half of the brilliance in the archives yet" Beat me to it Holly, I had literally copied this exact part to respond. Where do people get this stuff from? |
Anton3283 04.02.2018 16:11 |
Again to mooghead: you don’t believe but I want to know this too |
mooghead 04.02.2018 16:12 |
"With the possible exceptions of Misfire and Loser in the End, I don't think there's a weak song on any of the 1970s albums," In Only Seven Days, Leaving Home Ain't Easy, Fight From the Inside, Fun It, Get Down Make Love. Of course all personal opinion but I could quite happily never hear these again... |
Vocal harmony 04.02.2018 16:17 |
Jazz seems to me to suffer more from production than bad writing. There are some low spots and filler but much worse than that is what RTB did. I would love to hear a total remix but even then I'm not sure that would solve the problem. I think a lot of the sound problem comes from source, for instance the snare sound on most of the album is small, thin has no punch or depth. It sounds like a very shallow shel with an over tightened head. By contrast some of the toms sound huge. The bass drum sound is flat, the cymbals sound brittle and harsh. The vocal sounds are very hard edged and metallic sounding, lacking warmth and depth most of the time. Some of the guitar tracks sound great but many suffer the same as the vocals. By contrast the studio albums that bookend Jazz both sound much more organic and natural despite the synth on The Game. NOTW much of the time has the feeling that your in the room with the band. . By contrast Jazz is a mess. I don't buy the idea that they didn't spend enough time writing, recording and producing it, not when you consider how quickly NOTW was done. |
The Real Wizard 04.02.2018 17:55 |
Jimmy Dean wrote: it really is Queen's worst album. If it didn't have 3 huge singles - more of you would agree. not only does it have the highest percentage of weak tracks, but it also has a bad running order and is in my opinion the worst-produced album in their catalog.Partially agree, but I wouldn't go that far. Jazz is the first time they're out in the wilderness a bit. They've sorted out their finances, and they're no longer hungry. But while the album has a few spotty bits and 2 or 3 of the tracks aren't up their standard set on the previous string of albums, it's far from their worst moment. By the 80s they were way less focused and purely writing as individuals. They were still much more of a unit in 1978, and the lack of togetherness shows on many of the later albums. Hot Space and AKOM are far weaker - they are each half filler. Jazz is sonically the weakest 70s Queen album for sure, but it has far too many redeeming features to be considered the worst in their catalogue. Fun It is the weakest track, but it's still far better than the derivative trite that is Pain Is So Close To Pleasure and Don't Lose Your Head. When I think of an album with three hits and filler, I think of AKOM, not Jazz. Jazz, while weak at times, is still a band being artistic and maintaining some sense of focus. We just can't say the same for most of AKOM and Hot Space. If you took away One Vision, Who Wants To Live Forever, and Princes Of The Universe, what's left on AKOM? And if Hot Space doesn't have the last three tracks, what's left? In both cases - not much. Jealousy, Dead On Time, and In Only Seven Days are still quintessential Queen. Certainly they're not as strong as the non-singles on SHA or ANATO, but these tracks are far from filler. That said, they also do mark the end of the early Queen sound. |
mooghead 04.02.2018 18:06 |
Strange how people think different things. In Only Seven Days may be my least favourite Queen song ever. The lyrics make Roger Taylor look like Shakespeare. |
Penetration_Guru 04.02.2018 19:24 |
Irrespective of how good/bad each of us feel Jazz to be, the chances of there being a Jazz box this year are extremely low. Impressive photoshopping by OP for that image though... |
mooghead 04.02.2018 19:33 |
I guess if there was to be any sort of Jazz box we would know by now. The Game on the other hand... we might even get that double album they recorded all those songs for then changed their mind at the last minute to release only single album....... :/ |
mike hunt 04.02.2018 19:59 |
The Real Wizard wrote:This post is spot on for me.Jimmy Dean wrote: it really is Queen's worst album. If it didn't have 3 huge singles - more of you would agree. not only does it have the highest percentage of weak tracks, but it also has a bad running order and is in my opinion the worst-produced album in their catalog.Partially agree, but I wouldn't go that far. Jazz is the first time they're out in the wilderness a bit. They've sorted out their finances, and they're no longer hungry. But while the album has a few spotty bits and 2 or 3 of the tracks aren't up their standard set on the previous string of albums, it's far from their worst moment. By the 80s they were way less focused and purely writing as individuals. They were still much more of a unit in 1978, and the lack of togetherness shows on many of the later albums. Hot Space and AKOM are far weaker - they are each half filler. Jazz is sonically the weakest 70s Queen album for sure, but it has far too many redeeming features to be considered the worst in their catalogue. Fun It is the weakest track, but it's still far better than the derivative trite that is Pain Is So Close To Pleasure and Don't Lose Your Head. When I think of an album with three hits and filler, I think of AKOM, not Jazz. Jazz, while weak at times, is still a band being artistic and maintaining some sense of focus. We just can't say the same for most of AKOM and Hot Space. If you took away One Vision, Who Wants To Live Forever, and Princes Of The Universe, what's left on AKOM? And if Hot Space doesn't have the last three tracks, what's left? In both cases - not much. Jealousy, Dead On Time, and In Only Seven Days are still quintessential Queen. Certainly they're not as strong as the non-singles on SHA or ANATO, but these tracks are far from filler. That said, they also do mark the end of the early Queen sound. |
mooghead 04.02.2018 20:09 |
"and they're no longer hungry." In what way? Financially? Success/fame wise? Had they done what they had set out to do at this point? Proved their point? Not disputing, just intrigued by the wording... |
mooghead 04.02.2018 20:14 |
It implies they got complacent. And it shows with the Jazz album. |
Dim 04.02.2018 20:35 |
Jazz is very experimental album, they tried to catch the changes of music scene, they wanted to find new sounds and having their Queen trademark. I believe the production is the problem, that's why the album didn't live its expectations. When I listen this album I use EQ, low the treble frequencies, boost little the bass, then it gains some depth and brilliance. The result is sonically very good. |
mooghead 04.02.2018 20:40 |
Nothing worse than an EQ wanker who judges music on a wave form... |
Dim 04.02.2018 20:42 |
Fuck off cum of flies |
mooghead 04.02.2018 20:43 |
I am better than you because I SEE the music. Shut up. |
Dim 04.02.2018 20:47 |
You have issues. Go to a doctor |
mooghead 04.02.2018 20:53 |
Start using your actual ears. Decide what you the sound of. It is ok. I like the Hollywood discs. I don't care. Free yourself...... I can fly my friends.......! (or does the line go flat by then?) |
Saint Jiub 04.02.2018 22:17 |
mooghead wrote: Start using your actual ears. Decide what you the sound of. It is ok. I like the Hollywood discs. I don't care. Free yourself...... I can fly my friends.......! (or does the line go flat by then?)Go get a room with aristide. You two are made for each other. |
Jimmy Dean 04.02.2018 23:38 |
i'm sticking with my guns - in my opinion - Jazz is the worst. not because it has the worst songs. but because of the combined effect of bad production, bad playlist and a lot of filler. and that's just my opinion. When I was 15, Jazz was my favorite album. At 33, time has given my a different opinion altogether. I'm a huge fan of Dead on Time, If You Can't Beat Them, Mustapha, Let Me Entertain You, Fat Bottomed Girls, Bicycle Race, Don't Stop Me Now and Dreamer's Ball.... more than half the album. Had Fun It, More Of That Jazz and In Only Seven Days been left off the album and been B-sides in instead... change the running order... and lose the absolute shite RTB production ---> top 5 Queen album. as a whole album - in its entirety - the way it stands - Jazz is at the bottom. I enjoy Flash Gordon, AKOM, Hot Space and my 2nd least favorite album, The Works more than Jazz. |
Jimmy Dean 04.02.2018 23:50 |
mike hunt wrote:While I agree with the spirit of Bob's post - and this is for bob - you mean to say re: AKOM - A Kind of Magic (title track) is filler? I agree otherwise - but i've always liked Gimme The Prize in addition.The Real Wizard wrote:This post is spot on for me.Jimmy Dean wrote: it really is Queen's worst album. If it didn't have 3 huge singles - more of you would agree. not only does it have the highest percentage of weak tracks, but it also has a bad running order and is in my opinion the worst-produced album in their catalog.Partially agree, but I wouldn't go that far. Jazz is the first time they're out in the wilderness a bit. They've sorted out their finances, and they're no longer hungry. But while the album has a few spotty bits and 2 or 3 of the tracks aren't up their standard set on the previous string of albums, it's far from their worst moment. By the 80s they were way less focused and purely writing as individuals. They were still much more of a unit in 1978, and the lack of togetherness shows on many of the later albums. Hot Space and AKOM are far weaker - they are each half filler. Jazz is sonically the weakest 70s Queen album for sure, but it has far too many redeeming features to be considered the worst in their catalogue. Fun It is the weakest track, but it's still far better than the derivative trite that is Pain Is So Close To Pleasure and Don't Lose Your Head. When I think of an album with three hits and filler, I think of AKOM, not Jazz. Jazz, while weak at times, is still a band being artistic and maintaining some sense of focus. We just can't say the same for most of AKOM and Hot Space. If you took away One Vision, Who Wants To Live Forever, and Princes Of The Universe, what's left on AKOM? And if Hot Space doesn't have the last three tracks, what's left? In both cases - not much. Jealousy, Dead On Time, and In Only Seven Days are still quintessential Queen. Certainly they're not as strong as the non-singles on SHA or ANATO, but these tracks are far from filler. That said, they also do mark the end of the early Queen sound. Hot Space - the last 3 tracks? what's wrong with the entire Side B minus Cool Cat? and Side A is pretty strong minus Dancer. Hot Space would have been a very different album if they dropped Dancer, had Another One Bites the Dust as track 2 and dropped Cool Cat. I agree with everything else you said. But i still think Jazz is their weakest. My bottom five are Jazz, Flash Gordon, AKOM, The Works and Hot Space. Although, I'm starting to change my mind on the Works lately. |
Jimmy Dean 04.02.2018 23:52 |
happystar wrote: No way is "JAZZ" the worst Queen album, i think INNUENDO takes that title as the band were just letting Freddie sing anything to get the work out of him. I do believe though that Brian & Roger still have a lot of private unreleased stuff that they wont let go off as its better than what has previously been released. We aint seen half of the brilliance in the archives yet and Freddie has been gone 26 years! Maybe when May & Taylor are hard up they might give in and treat us all !I've been in this forum since it started - i think you may be the only person to ever say Innuendo is the worst Queen album. |
mike hunt 05.02.2018 05:36 |
Innuendo is great |
Chopin1995 05.02.2018 11:51 |
...very great :) |
Vocal harmony 05.02.2018 12:13 |
It's easily their best 80's recorded album. To claim it to be their worst is so wide of the mark. Interesting that even when singling an album out as their worst Gerry oops I mean happystar still manages to blame the other three for "letting Freddie sing anything to get the work out of him". If that was the case at the very least the playing, musical content and production raises it above some of the other albums. |
bradbobly 05.02.2018 13:02 |
Not sure Jazz has any milestones that would put it high up the list for a NOTW sort of box set treatment, although i really love Jazz and would like to see it paired with Live Killers and given a special treatment. Hopefully we would get best of both worlds then. On another note i agree Innuendo is fantastic... |
mike hunt 05.02.2018 13:32 |
Vocal harmony wrote: It's easily their best 80's recorded album. To claim it to be their worst is so wide of the mark. Interesting that even when singling an album out as their worst Gerry oops I mean happystar still manages to blame the other three for "letting Freddie sing anything to get the work out of him". If that was the case at the very least the playing, musical content and production raises it above some of the other albums.Innuendo was a 90's album released 1991 and mostly Recorded in 1990. The Game was their best album Released in the 80's. 1980 if you don't know. |
aristide1 05.02.2018 13:47 |
Panchgani, I'd prefer to share a room with someone who, like me, heard the album in 1978 and didn't judge it in terms of "hits and filler", as you do 40 years later. |
Vocal harmony 05.02.2018 18:55 |
Mike Hunt, they started the innuendo sessions in 89. The Game was recorded in 1979, you obviously didn't know! Read my post again, I didn't say innuendo was released in the 80's I said recorded in, maybe I should have said 89/90 to make it clearer for you ok? |
MackMantilla 05.02.2018 22:20 |
I really doubt QP would release an anniversary edition for "Jazz", they might be doing it for "Live Killers" and "The Game"... |