| nikutis222 18.11.2017 20:59 |
Anyone know for sure which gigs were shot on 35mm (or 70mm) film? Any of the South America ones from 81? Or were they shot on tape.. Little bird also tells me Montreal was shot on 70mm, not 35? Thanks. |
| pittrek 18.11.2017 22:29 |
Rainbow 74 - shot on videotape, but later transferred to 35mm Hyde Park 76 - the aerial shots and the pre-concert shots are definitely film, the concert itself tape Houston 77 - the Bob Harris crew filmed "something" Montreal 81 - both nights were shot on 70mm Live Aid 85 - "something" Wembley 86 - the stuff we got on DVD was shot on tape, but a lot of the backstage footage + "something" from the concert was shot on film by DoRo Knebworth 86 - at least the second half was shot on film by DoRo + lots of backstage stuff Plus there are all the TV reports from the late 70's - early 80's, too many to list from memory. South America 81 was definitely the weird PAL-NTSC video hybrid they had then |
| Nitroboy 18.11.2017 22:35 |
The Rainbow '74 show from March had some bits shot on 16mm. Are we sure about the Bob Harris footage and the Montreal + DoRo stuff? Wouldn't the first and latter be 16mm as well, with Montreal being 35mm (as stated in the booklet)? Someone prove me wrong, because I'd love it to be "upgraded" ;D |
| Chief Mouse 18.11.2017 23:20 |
According to Saul Swimmer, Montreal was shot double anamorphic (if memory serves right) on 35mm and then blown up to 70mm. Actual 70mm wasn't normally used for actual filming as I know. It would have been 65mm negative in such case. |
| Chief Mouse 18.11.2017 23:22 |
TV reports - Poitiers 79, Zurich 82. Probably some others too. Whatever we have of Munich 79 was film. Those 1977 segments in Japanese Jewels programme. |
| Nitroboy 19.11.2017 01:09 |
Vienna '82 had some stuff as well I believe? it looks like film to me. |
| Chinwonder2 19.11.2017 01:20 |
As well as WATC Video Shoot '77 (after concert), Munich '78, Madrid '79, Brussels '79, Rotterdam '79, Frankfurt '82 and Brussels '84 (HTF Video Shoot)! :) -Chin |
| Nitroboy 19.11.2017 03:15 |
Wasn't Rotterdam '77 video tape? |
| Chinwonder2 19.11.2017 08:53 |
Nitroboy wrote: Wasn't Rotterdam '77 video tape?Whoops, yeah it was, I was just goof off the list by memory. ;) -Chin |
| Chief Mouse 19.11.2017 08:58 |
Nitroboy wrote: Vienna '82 had some stuff as well I believe? it looks like film to me.That's right. |
| user1 19.11.2017 15:32 |
+ Budapest 1986 (partly lost) |
| musicland munich 19.11.2017 17:15 |
Chief Mouse wrote:You've got PM. Hope it's not broke ;) |
| nikutis222 19.11.2017 18:46 |
Ah right, thanks guys, yeah the South America stuff is definitely weird.. |
| pittrek 21.11.2017 08:56 |
I forgot Tokyo 75. A surprising amount of the last concert was filmed, wonder how much of it still exists. And Rotterdam 77? What the hell are you talking about guys? In the case you are talking about Rottedam 79 isn't it film? Vienna 82 (and Frankfurt 82) were shot on film too, but it's hard to say if they shot whole concerts or just a few bits |
| Nitroboy 21.11.2017 13:01 |
pittrek wrote: I forgot Tokyo 75. A surprising amount of the last concert was filmed, wonder how much of it still exists. And Rotterdam 77? What the hell are you talking about guys? In the case you are talking about Rottedam 79 isn't it film? Vienna 82 (and Frankfurt 82) were shot on film too, but it's hard to say if they shot whole concerts or just a few bitsOh yeah, Tokyo 75 would be 16mm as well. Same with Rotterdam 79 I presume. Rotterdam 77 was featured in Sikke's Dutch documentary |
| nikutis222 21.11.2017 17:38 |
When you guys talking about Vienna and Frankfurt 82, do you mean they were shot with multiple cameras intended for release, Montreal style? Or just by one or two in the corner of the stage covering the whole band at once? Thanks. |
| Chinwonder2 21.11.2017 19:08 |
@pittrek I originally thought that this was shot on film but it's actually video! (beginning at 0:55): link -Chin |
| Wilki Amieva 22.11.2017 13:17 |
The South America '81 shows that were recorded for TV are in video: Buenos Aires is taped in PAL-N, São Paulo in PAL-M and Caracas in NTSC. There are some bits of the Mexican shows in film and video. Also there are some aerial views of the first Velez Sarsfield show that were filmed (some of these shots are in the intro for the broadcast of the second show). |
| Marlamir 23.11.2017 14:51 |
Can anybody know how much of leiden 1986 was video recorded? What i know there was 3-4 cameras recording one vision but i dont think they record only one song. Plus rumours about soundboard recording i heard. Anyone know something? |
| Battler 29.11.2017 01:33 |
- pittrek: I think you forgot Budapest 1986, which was definitely shot on film, with the filming done by the Hungarian state film company, Mafilm. Unfrotunately, the original, full film is now lost and all that remains is the final cut. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 16:27 |
Great thread. I'd like to add that the (disappointing) fact that the "Champions Shoot" concert was almost certainly not filmed. We thought the b/w footage was from that night at the New London Theatre, but it's actually from Houston. Have a look at this screenshot with Brian's 12 string at stage left. This is definitely Houston. |
| Chinwonder2 19.09.2018 16:29 |
Oh, well that’s really disappointing. Again, they tricked us by using footage without the correct context... -Chin |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 16:33 |
Here's another with Brian's echoplex pedals. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 16:35 |
And here's the lip on the stage that was part of their NOTW rig. There's no way that could've been in the setup at the New London Theatre, as the seats were very close to the stage. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 17:29 |
10-6-77 No rototoms on Roger's kit. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 17:29 |
Rototoms - part of his NOTW tour kit. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 17:34 |
And a shot of the upper deck. This is an arena, not a small 1000 seater theatre. 100%, this footage is from Houston. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 18:11 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: Again, they tricked us by using footage without the correct context...I don't think they even know the difference. The footage is silent, and has never been synced to the proper audio for them to know for sure - just like the Tokyo 75 footage that popped up a few years back. They just used bits that looked good, and put dialogue on top of them. |
| Chinwonder2 19.09.2018 18:24 |
Fair enough, but then again some of the interview segments in the doc are in b/w, so they must have the audio for some of it. There's just so much misinformation and lack of communication I guess.
Also, check your email soon! ;)
-Chin
The Real Wizard wrote:Chinwonder2 wrote: Again, they tricked us by using footage without the correct context...I don't think they even know the difference. The footage is silent, and has never been synced to the proper audio for them to know for sure - just like the Tokyo 75 footage that popped up a few years back. They just used bits that looked good, and put dialogue on top of them. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 18:30 |
Chinwonder2 wrote: some of the interview segments in the doc are in b/w, so they must have the audio for some of it. There's just so much misinformation and lack of communication I guess.You're right - maybe the b/w bits do have audio. Who knows. I'm just going by what Rhys Thomas said a few years back - that there were all these fragmentary bits from Houston that didn't have audio. |
| . 19.09.2018 18:36 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Great thread. I'd like to add that the (disappointing) fact that the "Champions Shoot" concert was almost certainly not filmed.Was you there? I was, and I certainly would not make such a bold statement. Your assessment seems to be based on a few screen shots that you point out are from Houston. I can't honestly say what was filmed at Drury Lane, but I have attached a scan of a page from my copy of the 1977 (Winter issue) fan club magazine, some of which I underlined in red pen back in the day. It seems to suggest the whole event was filmed. Unlike you I'm not stating this is a fact of course. link |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 19:00 |
wrote: Unlike you I'm not stating this is a fact of course.I said "almost certainly". That is not stating anything 100%. Have you seen the uncut footage of the filming, where at the end of the final take of WATC the camera swings away and is shut off the moment Brian May begins to play Tie Your Mother Down? Did you even know it existed until you read that last sentence? Maybe if you worked on your reading comprehension a bit more, you wouldn't need to waste your time airing personal grievances on a forum. Keep it civil. Of course one can't prove something doesn't exist, so you're not wrong to suggest that it may have been filmed. In this case there has been plenty of opportunity to show it in the recent documentaries, but all of the live footage has turned out to be from Houston. |
| . 19.09.2018 20:12 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I think you also used the word "fact", so perhaps it's your writing comprehension that's at fault?wrote: Unlike you I'm not stating this is a fact of course.I said "almost certainly". That is not stating anything 100%. Have you seen the uncut footage of the filming, where at the end of the final take of WATC the camera swings away and is shut off the moment Brian May begins to play Tie Your Mother Down? Did you even know it existed until you read that last sentence? Maybe if you worked on your reading comprehension a bit more, you wouldn't need to waste your time airing personal grievances on a forum. Keep it civil. Of course one can't prove something doesn't exist, so you're not wrong to suggest that it may have been filmed. In this case there has been plenty of opportunity to show it in the recent documentaries, but all of the live footage has turned out to be from Houston. Yes I have seen the ''uncut'' footage you refer to, not that that proves anything of course. I'm just airing my point of view and thought I was being quite civil, it's your problem if you think otherwise. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2018 21:00 |
wrote: I'm just airing my point of view and thought I was being quite civil, it's your problem if you think otherwise.Utter nonsense. Your choice of language was combative on numerous levels, which anyone with half a brain can see. You began by attempting to discredit me on account of the fact that I wasn't there, which is a pointless argument. Unless you took photos during their set where there are cameras seen rolling (or you can post the footage itself), your anecdotal evidence means nothing. Stick to the topic at hand without making it personal. This is not the place. |
| . 20.09.2018 09:12 |
The Real Wizard wrote: your anecdotal evidence means nothing.I'm not providing any anecdotal "evidence" am I? In fact quite the contrary, after making a few enquiries I do now have some information which leads me to believe the concert itself was not filmed. I am also hoping to get confirmation of this from another reputable source, and at that point I will make up my own mind what I consider to be factual and not guess work. |
| bucsateflon 20.09.2018 09:38 |
Careful he has 20157 posts ! no life! |
| aristide1 20.09.2018 09:52 |
Maybe the documentary crew filmed the WHOLE time but certainly did not filmed the WHOLE event in a consistent way, they only captured some disparate material suited for the documentary, as both of you separately (how else?) assume. |
| KevoM 20.09.2018 11:26 |
Here's hoping for a 4K HDR release of Montreal and/or Budapest 86. I have contacted Eagle Rock about this and the fact AFAIK there is no concert release on 4K! It's all Marvel super heroes! |
| The Real Wizard 20.09.2018 16:04 |
bucsateflon wrote: Careful he has 20157 posts ! no life!I'm going to pull a Sebastian here. I've been a member of this website for about 20 years. 20 * 365 = 7300 days So that's less than 3 posts per day. The average post takes about one minute to write. So by your flawless logic, I have no life because I spend an average of 3 minutes per day on a forum. *slow hand clap* |
| Sebastian 20.09.2018 16:37 |
Assuming you sleep solid eight hours a day, you're awake for 960 minutes. If you're only using 3 of them to type your posts, then you've still got 957 minutes (99.6875% of your waking hours) to devote to your career, your family, your social life, eating, commuting, brushing your teeth, etc. I don't see anything wrong with that. |
| Barry Durex 20.09.2018 16:42 |
Surf whilst on the bog and cancel it out. |
| The Real Wizard 20.09.2018 17:04 |
wrote: I'm not providing any anecdotal "evidence" am I?Then why else were you trying to discredit me by pointing out that you were there and I wasn't? after making a few enquiries I do now have some information which leads me to believe the concert itself was not filmed....especially now that you admit that my research was basically correct anyway? I am also hoping to get confirmation of this from another reputable source, and at that point I will make up my own mind what I consider to be factual and not guess work.Classic carrot dangling - your specialty. Yes, we're all impressed with your so-called private connections that you feel the need to brag about on a public forum. |
| . 20.09.2018 17:23 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Classic carrot dangling - your specialty. Yes, we're all impressed with your so-called private connections that you feel the need to brag about on a public forum.Carrot dangling by bragging about so-called private connections, really? Some of the people I contacted you probably know yourself, I'm just not mentioning any names that's all. For the record, they are all contactable via social media and anyone can message them. I hope you don't mind if I do my own research, in my own way, rather than rely solely on your assessment. Anyway, get back to the topic at hand. |
| Vocal harmony 21.09.2018 13:31 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Here's another with Brian's echoplex pedals.This screen shot is all the evidence Mr Wizard needed. If you watch the WATC video it's clear there is a extension from the stage into the audience. However it's smaller, not mirrored and the stage hight is much lower than the NOTW touring show. The Dury Lane stage is no more than three or four feet tall at most. The evidence is clear that the black and white footage is not the WATC shoot. However, many years ago I was told that it was filmed and does exist. My view is that just because this footage isn't from that event, and no other footage has been released that could be from that show it doesn't prove it doesn't exist. |
| . 21.09.2018 13:46 |
Can you say who it was that told you it was filmed? |
| Vocal harmony 21.09.2018 14:16 |
Two people told me at different times. One was guy called Steve Tarver (though I may have confused the name so could be Mark) this was the early 80's. He was a production assistant who worked for a private film/documentary company that the BBC used for some projects. Quite a reliable source on other subjects. I haven't seen or spoken to him in almost 30 years. The other was a very reliable contact who worked with the band, still has connections, who I can't name. |
| . 21.09.2018 14:21 |
OK, thank you. By the way, I hope you haven't got the idea that I was querying the claim that the screen shots were not from Drury Lane, because I haven't said anything to imply that. Perhaps your original post is not aimed at me, but to everyone in general, so please forgive me if that is the case. |
| The Real Wizard 21.09.2018 20:00 |
Vocal harmony wrote: My view is that just because this footage isn't from that event, and no other footage has been released that could be from that show it doesn't prove it doesn't exist.Indeed. If only everyone in this thread had been this polite from the start. |
| Vocal harmony 22.09.2018 12:27 |
The Real Wizard wrote:^^^ :)Vocal harmony wrote: My view is that just because this footage isn't from that event, and no other footage has been released that could be from that show it doesn't prove it doesn't exist.Indeed. If only everyone in this thread had been this polite from the start. |
