| Sheer Brass Neck 14.04.2017 21:04 |
Or coincidence? From Brian's site, check out the name of the inquirer? "Dear Queen Friend May I ask please, do you know of any website where every known Queen concert setlist is listed? I’m aware of Queenconcertrs.com of course, and though it’s a great site it doesn’t actually list the songs played for every concert. It only offers a ‘Typical Setlist’ for each tour. I found this site today… link and although it’s very good and has some useful lists/summaries, it does not offer what it hints at offering, rather frustratingly. I’m not expecting to find a site that offers 720 full Queen concert setlist, but I thought there must be one that offers 400-500. I want and need to compare the details to what I have in my vastly revised Queen Live book text. Any ideas please? Many thanks." Greg B |
| matt z 14.04.2017 22:41 |
Sounds plausible... Like someone who can't be bothered to do further research. although its unlikely that anything further will come from clippings (*few writers would ever document an entire set list) , IMHO its likely a suggestion at a newly revised book and or website. Self promotion. If its Grinds Blokes, then u all should be accustomed to his enmity. Maybe he had a few to drink |
| The Real Wizard 14.04.2017 23:47 |
He's the archivist, and he's unashamedly and publicly surfing the internet 22 years after publishing his first book and still looking for the answers? There are so many things wrong with this post, I don't even know where to begin. A decade ago I may have cared more to the point of bothering to deconstruct this. I don't feel slagged in the least. That's definitely not the word for it. |
| musicland munich 15.04.2017 00:32 |
As far as I recall, setlist.fm was mentioned MULTIPLE times on this board. So, claiming that he had discovered that site TODAY is a bit odd. Too much Monopoly maybe ? |
| Kuijpy 15.04.2017 00:35 |
Greg is again busy to search this? Maybe again an incomplete book with not all the concerts? |
| on my way up 15.04.2017 00:41 |
I can't find the post on Brian's site? Can you post a link? |
| PiotreQ 15.04.2017 03:51 |
Here you go: link |
| cmsdrums 15.04.2017 07:32 |
Definitely a troll attempt from Greg... but definitely also a troll fail by failing to type the web address correctly. Although that could just be a petty attempt to stop people clicking through? However, more likely just a typical example of his shocking proof reading and attention to detail across most of his Queen related work. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 15.04.2017 08:43 |
I think it's the passive shot that irks me. Don't mention the Real Wizard's site at all, just say "I'm looking for help." That's petty beyond belief, almost like a plea for help, but I have to take a shot at someone who has commented on my work while doing so. |
| MercurialFreddie 15.04.2017 08:49 |
Setlist.fm is not a very reliable source in the first place... I suppose that only a handful of concerts from the 70's were edited on that website by the people who actually attended those gigs. That letter doesn't seem to be written by GB... when you compare it with others he posted even here, then you can see that he writes letters more professionally. As for the request itself... It's good that he's admitting that he doesn't know everything but he isn't offering anything in exchange for help. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 15.04.2017 09:01 |
^^^ Seems you are suggesting GB did not write the letter, but it's good that he admitted he doesn't know everything but bad that he isn't offering anything for people helping. That would mean that you think that GB is behind the letter but had someone compose it for him, not sure that makes a whole lot of sense. |
| on my way up 15.04.2017 09:47 |
Well, him asking this question in april 2017 after being the official archivist for about 20 years is just pure and utter incompetence! He should know every single website about Queen by now... In the end there's just a handful that matter!!! I thought that this 3th edition - with the help from GT - would be a great one but now... People at QPL are clueless. The potential for great product is there but there's no vision. They simply don't know their own history and every time somebody points this out that person gets a rant. They start a series, abandon it... Do something else, go back, ... And there's not 1 booklet without mistakes. I reread the Barcelona liner notes by Rhys Thomas. Very good text but ... indeed, at least 1 mistake. I'm so very sad about this state of affairs. I really adore this band and would like to see their stuff (audio music and write ups of their history) presented in the best possible way. |
| Gregsynth 15.04.2017 09:56 |
Amusing. Just imagine QPL with some of the users on here - we'd get much better releases! |
| on my way up 15.04.2017 10:00 |
Gregsynth wrote: Amusing. Just imagine QPL with some of the users on here - we'd get much better releases!I think we can all agree on who should write the queen live book ( see the title of this topic!!) |
| dave76 15.04.2017 12:04 |
I've always said and i stick to that, the fans could provide better releases and better info than the people over at the Queen HQ's. No offense but the fans really know the story and the history about the band. Just imagine what would happen if the fans were asked to create a Queen boxset. It would be the best release in decades. |
| on my way up 15.04.2017 14:08 |
Now we just have to wait for the author of the book and the call for help to show up and have a rant at us... How he was the first to write the book in 1995. And thus missing the point entirely! Indeed, the 1995 edition was a great first attempt. The 2005 version was not a good effort. New tools and media and info had become available and this was totally NOT used peoperly. A 2005 work can NOT be judged by a 1995 standard... And this is what happens in QPL... People aren't being pushed to deliver the best possible work but a work the way "it jas always been done". Wake up, things evolve! 2017 is not 2005 and certainly not 1995... |
| on my way up 15.04.2017 14:09 |
And my message above has the kind of typos you find in Queen booklets and press releases... |
| cmsdrums 16.04.2017 06:38 |
Gregsynth wrote: Amusing. Just imagine QPL with some of the users on here - we'd get much better releases!I've made proposals before for QPL to pull together a 'user group' of some knowledgable fans to have ideas tested/proof read/debated etc before being finalised for release. A group consisting of a few fans with skills such as musicians, graphic designers, proof readers, etc... can only improve the final release (for example the glaring mistakes in The Lot). Films have test audiences before release to gauge the audience reaction and they often amend the film based on the response, and all manner of things such as foods, washing powders etc... have user groups to test products before release, so why not music releases? |
| Saint Jiub 16.04.2017 12:03 |
cmsdrums wrote:"Costs more money"Gregsynth wrote: Amusing. Just imagine QPL with some of the users on here - we'd get much better releases!I've made proposals before for QPL to pull together a 'user group' of some knowledgable fans to have ideas tested/proof read/debated etc before being finalised for release. A group consisting of a few fans with skills such as musicians, graphic designers, proof readers, etc... can only improve the final release (for example the glaring mistakes in The Lot). Films have test audiences before release to gauge the audience reaction and they often amend the film based on the response, and all manner of things such as foods, washing powders etc... have user groups to test products before release, so why not music releases? ... Freddie's implicit approval of mediocre work ... |
| musicland munich 16.04.2017 13:41 |
Panchgani wrote:For the sake of a decent product AND the complete humiliation of QP's employees...they can have my proof reading for free LOL !!!cmsdrums wrote: ...Films have test audiences before release to gauge the audience reaction and they often amend the film based on the response, and all manner of things such as foods, washing powders etc... have user groups to test products before release, so why not music releases?"Costs more money" ... Freddie's implicit approval of mediocre work ... |
| thomasquinn 32989 17.04.2017 07:05 |
I'm pretty close to walking away from Queen altogether. I still like the music, I still enjoy the old albums, but I don't like the business they've become, I don't like the people they employ (Greg Brooks in the lead) and I don't like the people Brian May and Roger Taylor have become. I think that John Deacon made the right decision to back away from all this years ago. I think there's a good chance that the BBC 2cd is the last product of theirs I will ever purchase. Queen Productions has lost me. I hope they lose many more and go bust. Then maybe, just maybe, in the future, someone can pick up the pieces and turn the legacy of a great band into something that does them more justice. Of course, QP doesn't care. They never did care. So long as there are people who will buy the next re-re-release of Greatest Hits, or repackaged compressed versions of the same old albums, or Live At Wembley with an additional 23 seconds of audience shots, they're satisfied. I thought I had got them all wrong when they put out the Rainbow Box. Now it seems that was a fluke. They somehow let a great product slip through the fine mesh they have designed to prevent anything halfway decent from getting released. They will of course make sure it doesn't happen again. We apologize for the convenience. |
| Sebastian 17.04.2017 07:34 |
Rainbow was indeed great. Not only their best release since 'Made in Heaven' but possibly their best release since 'A Day at the Races.' |
| Togg 18.04.2017 04:01 |
I have to say the Rainbow release was excellent, and it's a shame they didn't continue down that route, I think most of the issues stem from Jim Beach, he seems very removed from what fans actually want and focused on purely cashing in as much as possible, which given he is basically the soul business mind behind the group is not surprising. I still have a lot of respect for the band and what they have done and still do, not all of it but probably more than many here, i've been a fan so long and frankly I've seen all these conversations so many times, dating back to when Live Killers came out.... so forgive me if I yawn at it all, when Jazz came out people started shouting they'd sold out so I've heard it before and by the time Live Killers was with us there was a die hard group of fans that moaned about everything bacause they wanted ANATO over and over... However I am with you about the constant greatest hits kind of release, I just ignore it and it goes away, I love the live stuff, I'm very happy to see them still playing together and frankly I dont give a shit who they play with so long as I can see and hear that guitar and those drums, that's all I focus on. And don't even get me started about what happend when Hot Space came out...... |
| Rick 18.04.2017 04:07 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote: I'm pretty close to walking away from Queen altogether. I still like the music, I still enjoy the old albums, but I don't like the business they've become, I don't like the people they employ (Greg Brooks in the lead) and I don't like the people Brian May and Roger Taylor have become. I think that John Deacon made the right decision to back away from all this years ago. I think there's a good chance that the BBC 2cd is the last product of theirs I will ever purchase. Queen Productions has lost me. I hope they lose many more and go bust. Then maybe, just maybe, in the future, someone can pick up the pieces and turn the legacy of a great band into something that does them more justice. Of course, QP doesn't care. They never did care. So long as there are people who will buy the next re-re-release of Greatest Hits, or repackaged compressed versions of the same old albums, or Live At Wembley with an additional 23 seconds of audience shots, they're satisfied. I thought I had got them all wrong when they put out the Rainbow Box. Now it seems that was a fluke. They somehow let a great product slip through the fine mesh they have designed to prevent anything halfway decent from getting released. They will of course make sure it doesn't happen again. We apologize for the convenience.Well put. |
| RS_Protos 18.04.2017 12:34 |
Agree 100 percent! I'm at the same stage myself. |
| Negative Creep 18.04.2017 16:03 |
Togg wrote: I have to say the Rainbow release was excellent, and it's a shame they didn't continue down that route, I think most of the issues stem from Jim Beach, he seems very removed from what fans actually want and focused on purely cashing in as much as possible, which given he is basically the soul business mind behind the group is not surprising.I don't know how true that is. Beach basically has 100% control of Freddie solo material and lots of demos were released via the boxset all those years ago. I don't see why he'd be willing to release Freddie rarities, but not Queen. I'm more willing to believe that it is Brian and to lesser extent Roger. Brian, in that he sees himself as being a perfectionist, and Roger in that he just sees anything that goes out as being something that can be bootlegged/counterfeited. The main problem is that Brian still bizarrely thinks of Queen as an ongoing project, not something that ended in 1991 with a posthumous album and single. It's their material, but it's kind of sad they have an archive of hours and hours of unreleased music and there's plenty in there that would be amazing. Then there's the live stuff...! |
| Sebastian 18.04.2017 19:31 |
Negative Creep wrote: Brian, in that he sees himself as being a perfectionistOnly when it fits him... a perfectionist wouldn't have allowed the archivist to release stuff with so many glaring errors; a perfectionist wouldn't have allowed the recent Kerry album to have such a hideous cover; a percetionist wouldn't have greenlit the appalling lack of proof-reading and copy-editing on a number of products. |
| The Real Wizard 18.04.2017 21:52 |
Negative Creep wrote: Beach basically has 100% control of Freddie solo material and lots of demos were released via the boxset all those years ago. I don't see why he'd be willing to release Freddie rarities, but not Queen.Maybe because Freddie wasn't around to say no? |
| john bodega 19.04.2017 01:38 |
I can't be sodded spending any more money on Queen, I liked the Rainbow stuff in theory but the older it gets, the worse the vocal processing sounds. Some songs I have to turn off mid-sentence before they give me a thrombo. |
| Togg 19.04.2017 02:51 |
Negative Creep wrote:Years ago I was in London, and I walked round a corner only to be faced with Roger and friend heading towards the WWRY show, I tried to catch them up and speak to Roger but not wishing to but-in to his conversation waited until there was a natural break, during that time he was royally slagging off Jim for not allowing 'something' to go ahead and he seemed very agreeved that he hadn't been consulted, anyway that being said I've always felt that Jim held much of the power, even Greg has commented from time to time that Jim is the one to get past, but certainly if Brian or Roger has a dislike for something it's not happening. Considering Queen have been playing live and running as a working band longer now without Freddie than with I'd say Brian was right to consider it an ongoing project, just because you don't like the idea they carried on doesnt mean it officially stopped when Freddie died... the only people that can call that are to two remaining members, Deep Purple is still going, Pink Floyd were still going until very 2005, Genesis were still going until 2008, ACDC, The Who, The Rolling Stones... etc etc It's a band if someone leaves it doesn't mean the band ends...Togg wrote: I have to say the Rainbow release was excellent, and it's a shame they didn't continue down that route, I think most of the issues stem from Jim Beach, he seems very removed from what fans actually want and focused on purely cashing in as much as possible, which given he is basically the soul business mind behind the group is not surprising.I don't know how true that is. Beach basically has 100% control of Freddie solo material and lots of demos were released via the boxset all those years ago. I don't see why he'd be willing to release Freddie rarities, but not Queen. I'm more willing to believe that it is Brian and to lesser extent Roger. Brian, in that he sees himself as being a perfectionist, and Roger in that he just sees anything that goes out as being something that can be bootlegged/counterfeited. The main problem is that Brian still bizarrely thinks of Queen as an ongoing project, not something that ended in 1991 with a posthumous album and single. It's their material, but it's kind of sad they have an archive of hours and hours of unreleased music and there's plenty in there that would be amazing. Then there's the live stuff...! |
| Sebastian 19.04.2017 05:44 |
They're touring Europe (plus Britain) this year. Some people may not be interested (I'm certainly not) but that doesn't change the fact it's happening. That's as on-going as it gets. |
| Costa86 19.04.2017 06:57 |
21 years with Freddie, 26 without him. |
| noorie 19.04.2017 13:44 |
^^^^ True, that! But 26 years of the same old material re-hashed. Nothing new, unless you count The Cosmos Rocks, and a few uninspiring solo albums.But, even those cannot really be called 'Queen'. So I'd hardly call Queen an 'ongoing project'. Their current live performances are just pure nostalgia for hardcore Queen fans, but they are hardly very exciting. Compare Queen+AL to the Rolling Stones' 50 & Counting tour. Now THAT's a rock concert. I love Queen for their music, so I'd rather watch DVDs of them in their heyday. Brian and Roger when they were at the top of their game! I really don't feel the urge to see them perform now - a bit sad, really. But that is just my 2 bits. |
| Rick 20.04.2017 03:48 |
I think Brian needs to die first before we see anything decent again in terms of live releases. How lugubre it may sound... |
| np11256 20.04.2017 05:36 |
It seems that all the clocks stopped somewhere around 1995 and haven't restarted since that. As well as for the band as for the listeners. But mostly for the band. And in some sence, we all live in the past. |
| john bodega 22.04.2017 04:34 |
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| john bodega 22.04.2017 04:35 |
" 21 years with Freddie, 26 without him" you could make a similar argument for Elvis and the TCB band, frankly |
| brians wig 22.04.2017 06:23 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Well I heard at the time that it was released by EMI as a "test" to see how well an Anthology set would sell and give some indication as to how well a Queen Anthology would sell....Negative Creep wrote: Beach basically has 100% control of Freddie solo material and lots of demos were released via the boxset all those years ago. I don't see why he'd be willing to release Freddie rarities, but not Queen.Maybe because Freddie wasn't around to say no? There was lots of talk back then about an Anthology set, but as we know, something went wrong in the meantime... |