| lvmelanie 06.04.2017 10:38 |
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| stevelondon20 06.04.2017 11:47 |
? What about her ? |
| dysan 06.04.2017 12:03 |
Mary Austin |
| mooghead 06.04.2017 12:09 |
Hairy Austin |
| dysan 06.04.2017 13:50 |
? What about hair ? |
| mooghead 06.04.2017 14:40 |
My contribution to this post is greater than the person who actually started this thread. Who has not been back to say what the fuck they were tying to say. Hairy Austin. |
| dysan 06.04.2017 15:11 |
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| mooghead 06.04.2017 15:20 |
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| matt z 06.04.2017 15:24 |
Marry Often (lisp) |
| mooghead 06.04.2017 15:35 |
Hairy Often? |
| dysan 06.04.2017 15:50 |
? Wed about hair ? |
| cmsdrums 07.04.2017 06:00 |
Did she used to work for Unigate...Hairy Mary from the Dairy? |
| Haystacks Calhoun II 07.04.2017 06:52 |
Mary , Mary , quite , contrary ? Ah yeah |
| Vocal harmony 07.04.2017 07:19 |
Fascinating subject, I agree with everything the original poster hasn't said! |
| Costa86 07.04.2017 09:15 |
Yes, lvmelanie definitely has a certain way with words. |
| andres_clip 07.04.2017 11:04 |
Ahahaha hilarious |
| dysan 07.04.2017 13:38 |
Mary Post Reply |
| TRS-Romania 07.04.2017 14:15 |
Well, Mary has instructed Google to blur Garden Lodge on Google Street View! |
| Kuijpy 07.04.2017 16:34 |
Golddigger, pure she was... I think she stays with Freddie for the money... She hates everyone in Freddies private life, Jim, Peter, Joe, Tony, Barbara, she was scared that she didn't get any money. |
| Cruella de Vil 07.04.2017 21:59 |
You twat. How the hell would you know? She stayed true to Freddie until the end and he loved her. Enough said. Fuck off. |
| master marathon runner 07.04.2017 22:27 |
/\ Quite right. Bloody sanctimonious knob heads. |
| Saint Jiub 07.04.2017 23:02 |
http://http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1214512.html Supersonic_Man89 Bohemian: 242 posts Posted: 16 Apr 12, 06:01 I spoke to Peter Freestone about this briefly in 2010: "Hey Peter, I'm a big fan of Freddies and recently purchased the late Jim Hutton's book 'Mercury & Me'. It was a very interesting read and gave a rather special insight into the life of Freddie. However, the ending where he discusses Mary Austin's behaviour was a little troubling. It seemed awfully harsh and completely the opposite of how Freddie would have wanted his closest friends to continue. In some ways it may have been a blessing in disguise to have been kicked out of Garden Lodge so soon, so you Jim and Joe weren't surrounded by the house you shared with Freddie, allowing you to maybe move on slightly easier. However, I can also imagine it to be an unnecessary and unfair inconvenience. What if you didn't want to move on yet? What if you felt in March 1992, it wasn't time, not yet, you weren't ready? It's a shame as when you watch documentaries about Freddie, Mary always comes across as the adorable girlfriend who stood by her man, and allowed him his freedom. So I've always had an admiration for her. However, her behaviour after Freddie passed on sounds like a nightmare. So I was wondering if her attitudes have changed since the early nineties and did she warm to Jim at all before he died? Thankyou Luke" "As far as I am aware Mary's feelings never changed. Saying that, she was in a very uncomfortable position after Freddie died. Mary was a beneficiary of Freddie's will and the executors had control of everything and to let his will progress through probate, it was felt that Garden Lodge could not have tenants living there. Things are very rarely 'black and white'. Life continues through many shades of grey!! I hope this helps. Take care Peter" |
| Costa86 08.04.2017 05:45 |
Freddie's attitude when it came to the question of what would happen in terms of Phoebe/Jim/Joe and Mary living together was "they'll have to sort it out". He didn't leave anything in his last will and testament which indicated that he wanted Jim etc. to remain at Garden Lodge. He only said this verbally, which of course has no legal standing. Freddie was aware that there would have been some issues, as the topic had cropped up at least once before he died (this is according to Jim Beach, Phoebe or Jim Hutton, can't remember who). John Reid was interviewed (for the book Somebody To Love) and said he had bumped into Mary some years after Freddie died, and she said "I won in the end". |
| Sheldon 09.04.2017 05:08 |
I think Freddie's will pretty much summed it up in regards to who was important for him. It's hilarious how Hutton received the same amount as all the other "servants" living in Garden Lodge :D |
| Vocal harmony 09.04.2017 09:29 |
Freddie's judgment, rightly or wrongly, was always that none of his friends apart from Mary would be able to cope with his wealth and everything that brought in the way of notoriety or press or having to cope with what ever he left. He said this in a number of interviews. The garden lodge group were friends as well as having a roll in Freddie's life. They were all treated equally. Cook, assistant or lover, Freddie seemed to vslue each the same. In several interviews he said that Mary was special, had stuck by him through everything and therefore perhaps more important in his life then anyone else, hence the house and the biggest cut of the money. It's a not good that Mary has chosen to take the path she's taken. Maybe her position in his life made it very difficult for her to move on with out him. Maybe she holds those around him in someway responsible for what happened to Freddie or maybe she wants to forget, and part of that was turning her back on those who were part of Freddie's closest circle. It would be great to hear her thoughts and reasoning but that I don't see happening at anytime. |
| dudley-fufkin 7834 10.04.2017 06:10 |
Freddie should have thought about what would happen to his friends living in garden lodge when mary was moving in. He should have sorted it all out when he first caught his african bum disease. |
| Costa86 10.04.2017 12:08 |
dudley-fukfin, there are at least three instances in your two inane sentences where you missed capitalising proper nouns. |
| The Real Wizard 12.04.2017 01:03 |
Kuijpy wrote: She hates everyone in Freddies private life, Jim, Peter, Joe, Tony, BarbaraHas she stated that she hates these people? Or did those people (all of whom got less money from Freddie) state that she hates them? |
| matt z 13.04.2017 00:37 |
I'm just very impressed on how great a thread this evolved from ...out of NOTHING! KUDOS to the fella bashing Mary...helluva topic uve made |
| Invisible Woman 21.06.2017 03:29 |
I thik that some things about relationship between Mary and Freddie are exaggerated. Ok.he loved her but like a sister or friend.She inherited huge money and house from Freddie but money and love are not the same thing.That is not a proof of love but someting else is. Freddie wear a ring given him by Jim and wearing it at the end of his life. I think that Freddie and Jim loved each other sincerely and strongly. That's my opinion. |
| Krypto_98 21.06.2017 11:50 |
Kuijpy wrote: Golddigger, pure she was... I think she stays with Freddie for the money... She hates everyone in Freddies private life, Jim, Peter, Joe, Tony, Barbara, she was scared that she didn't get any money.She probably hates them cause they are part of the reason he is dead... |
| Queendom 09.03.2019 04:45 |
Jim claims that he was Freddie's husband...??? Can anyone (straight or gay) who is completely in love with their spouse honestly write something so private about his or her spouse who just died for all the world to see and read. If Jim truly loved and respected Freddie, thought of him as his husband, he would never have done that. Jim had no idea what it is to be a loving spouse and the honor and respect that goes along with that even after death. Jim sounded like a hypocrite saying how Freddie valued his privacy and yet he's talking about sex positions and his sexual prowess. I can't imagine sharing anything like that about my spouse. It is so sacred and private. Those memories should only belong to two people. Also Mary didn't kick the trio out. The executors of the will basically had control, and it was untenable to live in the house while in probate. This is stated by Phoebe. Mary only talks about the obvious things that we all know in little more detail such as how he came out to her. All she says is only the good things about him. She never describes their sex life or anything that intimate. She knows what it is to love someone completely. |
| Invisible Woman 09.03.2019 10:04 |
I never understood people who come here on forum just to write one or two postings. Mostly something bad about Jim and all good about Mary. I read Jim's book and didn't see anything offensive, on the contrary. He talked about Freddie in a good way. The most negative reviews about his book come from people who didn't even read the book. There are not many sexual things in the book, it's mentioned only a few times, great attention is on emotions. If he had not mentioned sex at all, I supose the comments would be "oh, he doesn't mention it, he just dream up that they were lovers and partners, he just his gardener etc." Some fans seem to want that Jim didn't exist in Freddie's life. I think he was good person who brought a lot of good in Freddie's life. |
| SweetCaroline 09.03.2019 12:15 |
About Mary ..... link |
| Double-U 09.03.2019 14:45 |
Thanks for the link. I wonder how Anita Dobson and Mary could spend time together while travelling with the band. As Dr. May and Mrs. Dobson became a couple there was no touring anymore. So it might be some travels to Switzerland or what. So Anita Dobson got to know Mary Austin in the late 80's. What the hell could she add to help Lucy Boynton to play Mary Austin in the movie? Redicolous!. |
| maths15 09.03.2019 19:11 |
Are you hairy Mary. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 10.03.2019 01:26 |
Yeah that link is garbage. We’ve read that interview before and why would she get Jer’s royalty shares? They would go to Kash. |
| MisterCosmicc 10.03.2019 22:52 |
Yes, once upon a time Freddie sniffed the panties off her. |
| runner_70 11.03.2019 08:27 |
Another crap SC spam link as usual |
| MisterCosmicc 12.03.2019 04:11 |
@ Double-U, that’s not true. Anita knew Mary back in 1986, she was in attendance at concerts. Freddie is the one who introduced her to Brian. As for Brian and Anita... “An affair? How silly!” |
| Double-U 12.03.2019 07:58 |
Wow, I never knew about it. Thanks for clarifying, MisterCosmicc! |
| MisterCosmicc 13.03.2019 07:40 |
The boys knew about that situtuation before anyone else did. Friends will be friends... |
| richrich 13.03.2019 16:44 |
trump 2020 |
| pma 20.03.2019 20:51 |
The thing almost everyone overlooks when discussing the issue of Freddie's will appears to be the fact that everyone at that time, including Freddie, and Jim himself, probably thought that Jim wouldn't live that long. Being HIV -positive was still very much a death sentence. Therefore, we're to believe that Freddie died thinking Jim would die very soon after, and this very much explains why the will makes sense. I'm quite sure he was also very much advised against leaving his estate and whatever to a man who was thought to be dead within 3-5 years. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 21.03.2019 18:39 |
Exactly. Joe died months after Freddie and he assumed Jim would in a couple of years. Then what would have happened to Freddie's money? The house is not owned by Mary, FYI |
| Galileo1564 21.03.2019 20:05 |
I disagree with this idea that Freddie thought Jim would only live a short time. Jim did not have AIDS, he had HIV. Therefore time to AIDS was unknown, and some people never develop AIDS. The drug company Merck was working on protease inhibitors. Freddie would have known this because his doctor Graeme Moyle would have known this. In the early 90s there was a lot of hope that better drugs were coming. Graeme Moyle is one of the world’s experts in treating HIV. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 22.03.2019 16:44 |
Freddie did not know Jim would live as long as he did. In 1991 anyone with HIV was assumed to die of AIDS within a few years. |
| indy19 23.03.2019 04:18 |
I can attest to that. As an old fogie who grew up in the 80s in and around NYC/NJ (and who saw Queen's NJ show in the summer of '82), I can tell you that I knew a whole bunch of folks who contracted HIV in the early '80s (classmates, mainly from my premed days) who died around the same time and even earlier than Freddie did. By the time 1992 rolled around, only two were alive and no one survived that decade. The later meds that came along mainly helped the people who acquired the infection around the early '90s and after. I understand that Jim Hutton was already HIV+ by 1987. Pretty sure they both thought he'd pass by the mid '90s. I don't profess to know anything about why Freddie did what he did in the will and why he didn't at least put in an addendum that the guys could stay in GL for as long as they needed, but once that stuff goes into probate, having someone physically in the property just delays everything, so I'm sure Jim Beach advised him to leave that bit out. Also, re Jim Hutton, judging from is life before and after Freddie, it just seems to me that he was an emotionally very stable, centered man who seemed like a one-man man type of deal. If that IS true, then I'm very glad to know that Freddie had him in his life until the end. |
| Galileo1564 24.03.2019 03:12 |
link Paper published November 1991. Can’t get more contemporaneous than that. Study is of 111 hemophiliacs infected 1979-1985. RESULTS: At 11 years from seroconversion the estimated rate of progression to AIDS was 42% (95% confidence interval 27% to 57%); to symptoms 85% (75% to 95%); and to death 41% (25% to 57%). Also from the discussion: “In the large San Franscisco cohort of homosexual men 19% of those who seroconverted during 1977-1980 remained asymptomatic in 1990.” This large cohort is presumably from the HepB vaccine project in which stored serum samples were tested for anti-HIV antibodies once testing became available. |
| miraclesteinway 24.03.2019 20:49 |
So, Mary has the right to live in the house but doesn't own it? Who owns it? |
| indy19 25.03.2019 05:46 |
miraclesteinway wrote: So, Mary has the right to live in the house but doesn't own it? Who owns it?I think Freddie's estate? I'd also be interesting to know what happens to the house once the 50 years are up. Does it go into a trust and perhaps to charity? He made very sure she has a safe place to live for pretty much all of her life, didn't he? |
| miraclesteinway 25.03.2019 18:31 |
I thought the point was that Mary was left 50 percent of Freddie's estate, and the house was included in that, with his parents and his sister getting the other half. Of course some papers suggest that Mary's share went up to 75 percent following the deaths of Freddie's parents, but surely that would require Mary to have been left that share by Freddie's parents.... I would have presumed his sister would have inherited his parents share. I dunno how these things work, I'm not rich enough to avoid working in a bar, let alone think about who I'm going to leave my 20 million pound mansion in central london to.... |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 26.03.2019 00:00 |
Freddie's estate owns the house. |
| indy19 26.03.2019 02:21 |
So that means if he didn't make any provisions for it to go somewhere, his sister (or her children) have the legal right. Unless Mary gets squatter's rights. I don't know how UK laws would figure that out, though. |
| Galileo1564 26.03.2019 03:42 |
You all should go read the actual will. Mary owns the house. This came up a few months ago. Someone called me intrusive for reading Freddie’s will, but this persistent myth annoyed me, so I wanted to find out for myself. It defies common sense to give someone a house for 50 years. What’s Mary supposed to do, move out when she’s 90? I have no idea how this myth got started but it’s been repeated so often that now people are just believing it because someone said it. So think about it, why do you actually believe it’s true? |
| miraclesteinway 26.03.2019 17:13 |
Well that's why I was curious because my understanding was that Mary was left half of the estate - as in, she IS the Freddie Mercury estate, with his sister now being the other half since his parents died. |
| indy19 27.03.2019 05:07 |
Yeah that's true. It doesn't make sense. I mean, a lot of people live to their '90s. It just doesn't make sense for her to have to move out at that time lol. I mean, it'd make more sense if the will said it would revert to the estate once she passed, but I don't know who the estate would belong to then as he didn't have kids. I guess legally it'd be his sister and her kids? Anyway, to me, the most important thing is that once he passed and the will was read, NO ONE contested it. Right? Not one person? They all accepted his decision. To me, that says a LOT. Unless I'm talking outta my ass... which of course I am. Just ignore me folks! ;) |
| Galileo1564 27.03.2019 05:54 |
Miraclesteinway—not sure if you are replying to me? If I recall correctly, and I think I do, Mary got half of Freddie’s royalties. I read somewhere (and maybe somewhere no good like the Daily Mail) that Freddie knew he would need to leave her enough income to run the house and pay all the expenses of such a property. The other half of the royalties went to his parents and sister. But I learned all this from somewhere before I saw the will, I just don’t remember where. |
| Galileo1564 27.03.2019 06:08 |
Indy19–I don’t think there’s any reverting of the house. I gathered it’s Mary’s house and she can leave it to whomever she wants in her will. You might enjoy Villier’s youtube video posted yesterday about Jim. link There’s discussion of the will, the house, etc. Queen Memes is Villiers on QZ. |
| indy19 27.03.2019 21:47 |
Thanks Galileo... will check the vid out. |
| spiralstatic 29.03.2019 07:33 |
OK, if anyone wants to read the facts, Freddie's will is here: link There is no mention of 50 years. As I understand it, he leaves: - House and all contents to Mary - £500 thousand to Joe, Jim and Peter - £100 thousand to Terry - 50% of future income to Mary - 25% of future income to Kash (which would be transferred to her children upon her death) - 25% of future income to his parents - Freddie's parents share goes to Kash - If Kash and her children were no longer around, the whole lot would go to Mary - If Mary died first I think it would pass to Kash or family (not completely clear on this) - If everyone died it goes to charity - It does not look to me as though anything monetary passes on to Mary's children, but the house (and contents) is hers, so obviously that can pass wherever she wishes - It does not look like the house would ever pass to Kash or her children (unless Mary chose that) I think it is better to just read the thing than have the same debate over and over again. |
| indy19 29.03.2019 07:53 |
Thanks for doing that for us :) I think the 50 years thing comes from the "Vesting Day" which is "50 years" from his passing. So that means if Mary wants the house to have any kind of monetary value for her children, she needs to will it to them or sell it before that day. I'm assuming she will pass before that date (which is November 24, 2041). I'm glad he took care of his parents, sister, and her children in terms of future income. |
| spiralstatic 29.03.2019 08:52 |
indy19 wrote: Thanks for doing that for us :) I think the 50 years thing comes from the "Vesting Day" which is "50 years" from his passing. So that means if Mary wants the house to have any kind of monetary value for her children, she needs to will it to them or sell it before that day. I'm assuming she will pass before that date (which is November 24, 2041). I'm glad he took care of his parents, sister, and her children in terms of future income.To be honest, I can't say I fully understand all the terminology/or am ever going to properly read the whole thing. Is the house included in this though or just royalties income/rights? I don't see anything about the Vesting day in relation to the house and contents. Though as I say, I haven't studied it. Everyone's royalty income alters somehow I don't fully get though on the Vesting Day, certainly - which may well only impact Kash's children. |
| indy19 29.03.2019 20:13 |
Yep. I think he did an overall fair job on leaving things to who deserved them. |
| Saint Jiub 30.03.2019 00:00 |
Did he leave any money to the male love of his life, Winnie Kirchberger? Did he leave any money to the female sexpots of his life, Barbara Valentin and Laura Jackson? Perhaps Freddie Dreary can comment? |
| Galileo1564 30.03.2019 02:29 |
Spiral static—the 50 year vesting thing has to do with Freddie’s shares in companies that aren’t named, but I would assume they would be QPL, Mercury Songs, and whatever other music companies Freddie owned shares in. The vesting thing refers to “said shares”. I think people are confused because the companies aren’t named. 50 years may be when his copyrights expire. That’s a guess. I know in the US copyright expires at some point. (Or rather one person was confused, said Mary only had the house for 50 years, and then this factoid bounced around the echo chamber that is the internet for so long that it’s become believed by a lot of people. Despite that fact that it makes no sense to give someone a house for 50 years.) The house was bequeathed to Mary. I’m not a lawyer, but can’t see how the house would have anything to do with shares or vesting of shares. As I understand it, bequeath is legal-ese for “give”. I have no interest in figuring out what happens on vesting day! If I’m still alive then I’ll be very pleased and perhaps the Daily Mail will explain it. :-) |
| indy19 30.03.2019 06:41 |
Saint Jiub wrote: Did he leave any money to the male love of his life, Winnie Kirchberger? Did he leave any money to the female sexpots of his life, Barbara Valentin and Laura Jackson? Perhaps Freddie Dreary can comment?The question remains -- what'd the cats get?! |
| akan 31.03.2019 00:03 |
Guys, wake up. The "good old" story of Mary Austin being like a second mother to Freddie, where he is depicted like a child who cannot take care of himself, is just bullshit. The same for the "parallel eterosexual love" history. I think there was a key-person who was much more influent on Freddie's business on hist last years than Mary did, and I talk about Jim Beach. All the stuff related to the Freddie's death (the house, the money left to his closest people, the royalites, and yes, the ashes history too) is much more related to Jim Beach's business than to Mary. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 01.04.2019 17:48 |
My partner is a lawyer and he's looking at it tonight to get a better understanding. This is actually his speciality. Do we know what happened to his other properties? |
| Galileo1564 01.04.2019 21:56 |
I know the co-op apartment in NYC was sold at some point. I bumped into an article about it once web surfing. It was an article in a NYC publication of some kind about real estate. I can take a couple of minutes to look for it if you like. Great that your partner is willing to look at the will! Thank him for me please. |
| Galileo1564 01.04.2019 22:11 |
Found it easily link Sold in 1992. I can’t afford the monthly maintenance. :-/ |
| indy19 02.04.2019 05:08 |
Yeah, pls thank your partner for us hooligan. I'm not a lawyer but I'm from a family teeming with them and I was gonna hand it over to one of my cousins... but I know I'd be made fun of if I did that... so it's good your partner is gonna do the dirty work here ;) :p Galileo, floor to ceiling mirrors and silver-grey satin walls. Oh Freddie. :) |
| Galileo1564 02.04.2019 15:54 |
Except that’s the usual silly press that Freddie gets. Thor explained in his thread that the decor was left over from the previous owner and Freddie never changed it. And I think there were not nearly the number of mirrors indicated in that article. I just posted the link because it says when the apartment was sold. Everything else is closer to creative writing than journalism. |
| Galileo1564 02.04.2019 15:54 |
Except that’s the usual silly press that Freddie gets. Thor explained in his thread that the decor was left over from the previous owner and Freddie never changed it. And I think there were not nearly the number of mirrors indicated in that article. I just posted the link because it says when the apartment was sold. Everything else is closer to creative writing than journalism. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 03.04.2019 17:08 |
Yep and Phoebe did state in his book that Freddie didn't bother to change the decor when he moved in |
| indy19 04.04.2019 02:46 |
Ahh gotcha -- thanks to you both. But even if he did do it, it'd be okay. It's Freddie. He deserves some shiny mirrors and satiny shit. |
| FreddieDearie 14.04.2019 00:34 |
InvisibleWoman: "I never understood people who come here on forum just to write one or two postings. Mostly something bad about Jim and all good about Mary. I read Jim's book and didn't see anything offensive, on the contrary. He talked about Freddie in a good way. The most negative reviews about his book come from people who didn't even read the book. There are not many sexual things in the book, it's mentioned only a few times, great attention is on emotions. If he had not mentioned sex at all, I supose the comments would be "oh, he doesn't mention it, he just dream up that they were lovers and partners, he just his gardener etc." Some fans seem to want that Jim didn't exist in Freddie's life. I think he was good person who brought a lot of good in Freddie's life. " [B]Anyone that doesn't recognize anything offensive in Jim's book have awfully low standards and seem not to be aware of Freddie having spent his whole life carefully keeping from his family the very kind of LURID details Jim included in his book (and we're completely unnecessary for the telling of their story). Saying that the book wasn't ?? fqckfest pornography is a dishonest argument. Whether it was 50 private anecdotes or JUST ONE... It was personal betrayal to have written that Freddie liked to have anal sex (no, not all gay men do) and that he liked to be the one to take it up the arse. Freddie's parents were still alive when he wrote that. Maybe Jim didn't have concern or respect for Freddie's family and Persian culture--- but Freddie did. And to claim that what Jim did was anything but a nasty passive-aggressive "f*ck you" to Freddie after he was dead when he couldn't defend himself, may need reading comprehension classes and common decency.[/B] |
| doughnut 14.04.2019 09:08 |
the troll is back lol sweetandtender I am interested in part of the will as I am pretty sure that Mary has been given the house and therefore the 50 year rule does not apply. I think some of getting confused with this. I feel the 50 year rule applies more the royalties and other such money matters. |
| Invisible Woman 14.04.2019 11:32 |
@ FreddieDearie Low standards? All right. It's probably that the presentation of your personal opinion and view as a fact is a very high standard. I see nothing scandalous about the fact that two adults persons in love kiss and hug each other, talking to each other, make love, having sex... Freddie has spoken in interviews about sex and promiscuity. His family knew that he was gay and from what he was ill. They probably knew what Jim was to Freddie and how much he meant to Freddie although they no spoken about it. You blame Jim published the book after Freddie's death but what are you doing? Jim didn't humiliated him with any of the sentences in the book and interviews. And you? I don't have Instagram account but I know what you are doing there and I have read some of your comments and your conversations between your several different accounts. Humiliation of a dead person is a high standard? Is accusing a dead person without any proof that was abusive alcoholic a high standard? Is zooming photo of his teeth even you know it was a sick is high standard? Is humiliation of a sick man high standard? When Freddie wears Winnie's ring then they were "married" and when he wears Jim's ring then Jim forced him to wear ring. If you like something Peter Freestone says, or someone else, you write about it the essay, and if you don't like what he (or someone else) says, you simply skip it. This topic still has title "Mary Austin" and I see you adore her. Mary said she fell in love with Freddie after three years of their relationship. She probably waited that Freddie became popular. I suppose it's a high standard. I don't represent my opinion as a fact and I am quite capable of thinking with my own brain. And you act like you were there every moment with Freddie, Jim, Peter, Mary, Joe, Winnie etc. and you know everything. It's like someone pays you to do what you are doing or are sickly jealous of Freddie's and Jim's love. It's really weird. Did you ever discuss his music? |
| emdee0809 15.04.2019 00:07 |
Well stated Invisible Woman |
| doughnut 15.04.2019 18:56 |
well done Invisible Woman . You rock :) |
| Galileo1564 16.04.2019 04:57 |
FreddieDearie, have you ever watched any Queen concerts or listened to stuff Freddie says? If that’s the big “lurid” secret that Jim told, it’s no big surprise. Freddie told us already. Especially in the 80s. You might as well criticize Freddie for his stage show. His parents went to his concerts. I’m thinking they went for the music. |
| KT2 16.04.2019 20:29 |
It does make me wonder what people who are oh so shocked by Jim’s book think Freddie was doing on stage when he turned around, bent over, and waggled his bum at the audience. And how they think he caught HIV, for that matter. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 16.04.2019 23:22 |
FreddieDearie has several accounts on instagram devoted to hating Jim and slandering him. She stalks a few people I know and are friends with, steals the content they make to repost and call Jim abusive, mentally disabled and an alcoholic. She is mentally ill and should be ignored. I feel like I'm insulting those with mental illness by saying that, but there is no other explanation for spending your precious hours on earth hating a man you never met, and calling the people who knew him liars. |
| Sweetandtenderhooligan 16.04.2019 23:24 |
She also has several accounts to stalk people with that are under the radar, because everyone has blocked the accounts that are known. She stalks lives on instagram ass well. It's extremely scary and boring on harassment |
| dysan 17.04.2019 17:05 |
Who? |
| doughnut 17.04.2019 18:19 |
I have seen this crazy person so that in the last week of Freddie's life, Jim was enjoying himself at a very seedy club. Sweetandtenderhooligan is right, this person is crazy crazy and I just don't understand why so much hate. Freddie made it pretty clear many times he wasn't a saint |
| doughnut 17.04.2019 18:23 |
'say that' not ' so that ' |
| ForFreddie 20.04.2019 04:57 |
The more I think about it, the more my opinions about Mary, are changing. I used to view her as nothing more than a gold digger, who only pretended to love Freddie, when she realized he was becoming/would become famous. But, if you really study on things she's done and said, I think you can come to the conclusion, there's more than one way, to take her comments and, actions. The, "I won in the end" statement, she supposedly made, could have meant...." You all tried to replace me in Freddie's life, but, in the end, it was always me." Suppose, it was the others in Freddie's life, who were using him, who were trying to get close to him, in order to get something from him? And, Mary knew that? In any event, Mary is the only one who says nothing about her private/intimate life with Freddie, she hasn't written a tell all book and, she has never told another living soul, where Freddie's ashes are... I don't know, that spells loyalty, to me. Where the house is concerned and, 'kicking' people out, some things were probably out of her control. Point is, you can take anything she's said and done and, put several different spins on it. Not seeing Freddie for more than half an hour the day he died.... have you ever had to sit and watch a person you cared deeply for, die? It probably wasn't very pleasant. I can see, where she went to see him, knowing he'd soon die, she said what she needed to day to him, then left... because she couldn't bear to watch him die. Maybe, Mary was no Angel, but, she did stand by Freddie to the end, even though, they had both moved on.... gotta give her credit for that. |
| ForFreddie 20.04.2019 05:00 |
....'say'....not, day... |
| indy19 20.04.2019 07:49 |
I think this FreddieDearie person also has YT accounts... a lot of obsessive Mary fans are on there spewing comments on videos. |
| doughnut 20.04.2019 18:29 |
no need for obsessive mary/jim fans , what is done is done. Time is a healer so lets just appreciate that Freddie was a great performance and musician . I'm sure that is what he would rather we all talk about :) She says through gritted teeth ...ha ha ha |
| back.chat 23.04.2019 10:39 |
People please don't pay too much attention to FreddieDearie. She had a Instagram account (in addition to several ghost accounts) that she uses to harass fans that dare to say anything positive about Jim. Now that I have registered on QZ I come to see she's doing the same over here. Please don't feed her as that is what she's indulging in. |
| dysan 23.04.2019 10:52 |
To be honest dude, unless the user's post count is in the 1000s they tend not to get read. |
| back.chat 23.04.2019 11:00 |
Are you referring to mine or FreddieDearie's post count? Either way, you have to start at one point. I think the content of the post should be more important. |
| dysan 23.04.2019 11:30 |
I don't know who anyone is tbh |
| dysan 23.04.2019 13:01 |
I quickly looked in that long thread on the other forum and I felt like C3PO surrounded by Ewoks in Return Of The Jedi. |
| FreddieDearie 21.06.2019 19:22 |
Invisible Woman: "@ FreddieDearie Low standards? All right. It's probably that the presentation of your personal opinion and view as a fact is a very high standard. " Hey. Not my opinion. It's what Larry told me about his time at Garden Lodge. Sorry you don't understand the difference between an opinion or an anecdote. But hey, it's upmto you if you want to brush up on yourmsecond grade level vocabulary. Invisible Woman: "I see nothing scandalous about the fact that two adults persons in love kiss and hug each other, talking to each other, make love, having sex.." Neither do I, that's not what gay fetishizing is. Please look it up so you know the difference between it and just talking about sex. And get back to me when you’re better informed. Because clearly you haven’t a clue. Invisible Woman: " Freddie has spoken in interviews about sex and promiscuity. His family knew that he was gay and from what he was ill. " And? Still has nothing to do with what I said, or anything to do with the fetishizing I referred to *gee, you’re not very bright. Invisible Woman: "They probably knew what Jim was to Freddie and how much he meant to Freddie although they no spoken about it. " Probably why Phoebe would let Jim ride in the first car. Because they all knew Hutton was a fraud. ???????????? Invisible Woman: "You blame Jim published the book after Freddie's death but what are you doing? No I blame Jim for a book of lies and unnecessary luridness Invisible Woman: Jim didn't humiliated him with any of the sentences in the book and interviews." Yes, he did. Sorry again for your low standards. Seems to be a pattern with you. "And you? " I correct the lies. Invisible Woman: "I don't have Instagram account but I know what you are doing there and I have read some of your comments and your conversations between your several different accounts" WOW . You so obsessed! Again your obsession with and paranoia about who you think I am is quite flattering. You're words say you "don't care" but your behavior shows you care very much about whoever you think I am Invisible Woman: ". Humiliation of a dead person is a high standard?" That's what Jim did to Freddie, so apparently you think so. Invisible Woman: "Is accusing a dead person without any proof that was abusive alcoholic a high standard? Just because you are personally ignorant of or in denial of proof doesn't meant it doesn't exist. Yes, truth telling will always be a high standard for me. Sorry it's not for you. ".Is zooming photo of his teeth even you know it was a sick is high standard?" Have no idea what you're referring to, but I know of no pictures of Hutton's teeth when he was sick. But did someone make fun of those HORRIBLY stained teeth? Yeah. They were REALLY bad. Besides, people who made fun of Mary for aging can't take moral high ground on this one. Pure hypocrisy. Invisible Woman: "Is humiliation of a sick man high standard? Jim did it to Freddie so apparently you think so. Invisible Woman: "When Freddie wears Winnie's ring then they were "married" and when he wears Jim's ring then Jim forced him to wear ring. " Yes, that's what the evidence shows and Jim himself wrote about. Freddie openly wore Winnie's ring for over two years, Also Freddie bought Winnie a very expensive wedding ring (although, Winnie, the asshole that he was, threw it out to spite Freddie. He was a nasty S.O.B.) Details: Jim tells us in his book Freddie wouldn't wear Jim's ring when he went out for a YEAR until Jim guilted him into keeping it on. Also Freddie refused to personally but Jim a ring, and ended up giving Jim a check when Jim stuck his nose up at a bracelet. JIM HAD TO BUY HIS OWN RING. JUST THAT FACTS. Please educate yourself. Invisible Woman: "If you like something Peter Freestone says, or someone else, you write about it the essay, " What essay? Not based on what I like or dislike. Based on Evidence. Invisible Woman: "and if you don't like what he (or someone else) says, you simply skip it." No I make determinations based on corroborative evidence and/or whether someone has conflicts of interest and/or selfish motives, or a need to hide something or a need to cover for something. It's called deductive reasoning, Socratic thinking etc. You should try it some day. It's what intelligent grown-ups do. That how things are Punkin. When Peter or anyone says things, somethings are accurate or some aren't. Some things are truth, some are disinformation or lies. There are legitimate thoughtful ways to determine which is which. Invisible Woman: "This topic still has title "Mary Austin" and I see you adore her." Actually I was never much of a Mary fan or Mary hater. I'm a Freddiestan and accuracy Stan. Invisible Woman: "Mary said she fell in love with Freddie after three years of their relationship. " Good for her. I can't stand women who fall "in love" at the drop of a hat. Slow to give love, slow to leave love. They're always the strongest deeper loves of substance. The love of an adult, not a schoolgirl. Invisible Woman: She probably waited that Freddie became popular. I suppose it's a high standard. Actually, that would've been in 72... so yeah. Not so much yet. She was still financially supporting him at that point So he could persue his dreams. Invisible Woman: "I don't represent my opinion as a fact" Good for you. Neither do I. Too bad for you you're all opinion and without facts. I have both opinion and facts. And no how to discern which is which. Invisible Woman: "and I am quite capable of thinking with my own brain." Yeah. Let us know when you decide to start. But you're self-evidently unable to discern facts, only opinion. That's sad. But not surprising. Invisible Woman: "And you act like you were there every moment with Freddie, Jim, Peter, Mary, Joe, Winnie etc. " No, I act like I'm very informed. Invisible Woman: "and you know everything. " Never asserted I know everything. That's just your perception. Invisible Woman: "It's like someone pays you to do what you are doing" Oh, no. That's Thor and Lee's schtick to profit off of Freddie's death. I do what I do for the sake of learning who Freddie TRULY was. Invisible Woman: " or are sickly jealous of Freddie's and Jim's love" Naw. My 30's anniversary to my partner is this year. Been a breathtakingly wonderful coupling! Besides, I cant be jealous of something that didn't REALLY exist or was not particularly special. Invisible Woman: ". It's really weird." Yes, your dime-store fantasies and pathological denials ARE wierd. I agree. WHY make up fraudulent romances like Hutton/Freddie!? Isn't his reality ebought for you? Invisible Woman: "Did you ever discuss his music? " All the time. Have a dedicated separate account for that, and even wrote a thesis about it in college. Would you like to discuss the chord structure of "Body Language" and which song from 1980, with vocalist Luther Vandross, Freddie was inspired by? Betcha have ZERO clue. So, I won't hold my breath as I suspect your knowlege about that is as limited as your knowlege re: Hutton. |
| Holly2003 21.06.2019 19:53 |
dysan wrote: I quickly looked in that long thread on the other forum and I felt like C3PO surrounded by Ewoks in Return Of The Jedi.Ha! very good. There are some very odd people on that thread, most of them shouting at each other like the two teams in Twilight -- Team Mary & Team Jim in a Terrific Tussle of Tumultuous Titans! It's just as well the rest of Queenzone is so friendly, normal, and filled to the brim with interesting chat and info ... |
| mariah carey 21.06.2019 20:00 |
Hairy Austin |
| MisterCosmicc 22.06.2019 00:48 |
@ FreddieDearie ... aren’t you ‘melinamercouri_’? |
| Invisible Woman 22.06.2019 07:18 |
@FreddieDearie I said that I will not go into discussion with you in other thread anymore, but I can do it again in this topic and after this post I will only ignore your posts here. You think that you are so important. No one is obsessed with you. I've seen your few posts on social networks and it was enough to realize that you are only obsessed with a dead man ( in the worst possible sense). You are also obsessed with people who not interested in "your truth" and "your facts". You're trying to convince people that you are not someone from Instagram and try to prove that there are many people who "believe in your truth". The style of writing and the topics you want to discuss here on Queenzone clearly show that you are the same person who has several accounts there. Yes, you will constantly repeat one and the same thing in the hope that your fantasy will become true if you repeat it constantly. Sorry, it won't. You repeat over and over about the ring, the book, your friend Larry, about what someone supposedly said and what someone supposedly did, etc. It's not even funny anymore. I don't like "Bodie Language". If you want to disscus about music and songs, there are on QZ a lot of topics, choose the topics you want, give your opinion. But when you come here your only goal is to insulting members, insulting Jim, that you act as superior to other people ... Here, continue to do it, but I will not answer you anymore. And I believe other members will not answer you anymore. Take care of your morals and your standards, and I will go with my own. Goodbye. |
| FreddieDearie 22.06.2019 20:51 |
Invisible,Woman Of course you won't go into discussion with me. Because you know you’ll lose the argument when you do. That's what people who lack of substance do, run away. Not surprising. In fact, quite predictable. |
| FreddieDearie 22.06.2019 21:07 |
Galileo: FreddieDearie, have you ever watched any Queen concerts or listened to stuff Freddie says? If that’s the big “lurid” secret that Jim told, it’s no big surprise. " Yes I have. Freddie NEVER publically got that LURID about his sex life. Freddie joking around about wanting everyone to get fucked like he does... .. Is a COMPLETELY different thing than an ex-lover telling his parents and the world that Freddie usually took it up the ass, and that he pissed himself when he was dying, or that Freddie screamed out in excurtiating pain and went into a siezure when Hutton broke his bones. . Those details were not Hutton's place to tell. And they WERE NOT NECESSARY t tell Jim’s story. It was purely sensationalism to sell books. . There is no denying that while Freddie didnt deny his sexuality, he chose not to get exactly specific about it. Sometimes he waa gay as a daffodil, or said he engaged in "poofery" or slept with anything that moved. . But no Freddie NEVER got specifically LURID like telling people he was the one who liked to take it up the ass. (And no it's not obvious, not all gay men have anal sex) , And if you understand the context of the time, gay men didn't always advertise when they were "receuvers" because they became targets for being beaten and raped. It was seen as a betrayal to tell that detail. . Hutton only saidnit because he wanted to make sure everyone knew HE was usually the "top". That he was the more "masculine" of the two. It was a nasty, passive-aggressive thing for him to do. |
| FreddieDearie 22.06.2019 21:37 |
Doughnut "I have seen this crazy person so that in the last week of Freddie's life, Jim was enjoying himself at a very seedy club" Jim himself said he went to "The Gate Club" In Notting Hill. Mentioned it numerous times in his book. The Gate Club in Notting Hill was a BDSM club. (Not a bar, it only sold drinks to those who were there to use the private rooms for SADOMASOCHISTIC sex..l. (I can provide you a picture of the club in Notting Hill and the current website.) "Master Keith has been running the World famous Gate Club for many, many years. In it's current inception it is held in Demonics Dungeon in Kent, which can boast one of the most extensively equipped dungeons in the UK. Master Keith has been running events for over 35 years all around the world and is extremely well known !" Later in the 1990's the DUNGEON part of the club shut down in Notting Hill and moved to Kent, about an hour outside the city. (As they were being hastled by neighbors and police) Jim himself ADMITS he regularly attended the Gate Club and specifically the Thursday before Freddie died, as he lay on his death bed and then again the day after Freddie died on Monday. . No Im not saying there's anything wrong with going to a sex club in and of itself. But it's not what a loving partner would do as their spouse is suffering on their death bed, or the immediate aftermath of his death. . The Gate Club is also where a friend of Freddies Chauffer (Graham) and his boyfrind (Gordon) approached Jim at "The Gate Club" and told him he knew everything about Hutton and Freddie. Even told Jim the details of what he'd been told. In other words, IN THE MIDDLE OF A SADOMASOCHISTIC SEX CLUB, he was essentially threating Jim with potential extortion. . Freddie fired his Chauffer, Graham Hamilton. So yes, it’s is God-damn true. . The fact that you have to bend over backwards to deny it happened (even though Hutton literally NAMES the club in his book numerous times), reveals that you know that's not a good look for Hutton. . But you care more about protecting Hutton, than standing up for Freddie. |
| The Real Mary Austin 22.06.2019 23:07 |
Fear not! And him that cometh to me, I will in no wise cast out. Speaking words of wisdom, M. |
| mariah carey 23.06.2019 06:54 |
@FreddieDearie or whatever The Gate Club(The BDSM one you're talking about) opened in 1994. Also, it's a heterosexual club. Stop lying! link |
| mariah carey 23.06.2019 07:06 |
You think we don't know how to use google, or what? :D it's a bit sad when you have to resort to lies to prove your point :D |
| mariah carey 23.06.2019 08:28 |
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| kokaxx 23.06.2019 11:39 |
the Gate Club is mentioned repeatedly in "Mercury & Me" : 1990 : ......"The final straw came when I went out for a drink one night to Champions, a gay pub in Notting Hill Gate. Gordon was in the pub and came over to say hello, introducing me to a young friend drinking with him. A little later I left and walked to the nearby Gate Club, a gay club. After I'd been there about half an hour, the young man Gordon had introduced me to arrived and made a beeline for me..... 1991: "That Friday I slipped out for a relaxing drink at the Gate Club in Notting Hill. When I got home I went straight up to Freddie's room.... 1991 : " On that Monday night, just one day after Freddie's death, I went out alone to drown my sorrows. I walked to the Gate Club in Notting Hill intending to get totally legless." ---------------------------------- link "The Gate Club was started OVER 25 years ago by Master Keith as a Members’ Only club with an emphasis on play. Our mission has always been providing a well-equipped dungeon space; a friendly place to meet with friends old and new; relax & have nights of fun; to tantalise the senses with pleasure & pain. Events are usually held on the last Saturday of each month, check the dates for this month and future events on the event page, it also sometimes will have extra events added. Now in its 28th year, The Gate Club holds events at our beautifully equipped dungeon ... Is JH a " liar" now ? :) mariah carey : You think we don't know how to use google, or what? :D it's a bit sad when you have to resort to lies to prove your point :D from the website of the Gate Club : The Gate Club was started OVER 25 years ago by Master Keith... Now in its 28th year, The Gate Club holds events If you believe JH and the Gate Club's website , it was there already in 1990 ! " |
| mariah carey 23.06.2019 12:22 |
There are several clubs and bars in Notting Hill Gate called The Gate, even right now :) Also, I really doubt that Jim would be interested in a heterosexual BDSM club to have a drink in. If it was something like Mineshaft, then I would understand, but this Gate club is for heterosexuals and not to have a drink like Jim did :) And where is the proof that this club was ever in Notting Hill? |
| kokaxx 24.06.2019 06:55 |
yeah, right ! :) "And where is the proof that this club was ever in Notting Hill?" Mercury &Me : 1991: "That Friday I slipped out for a relaxing drink at the GATE CLUB IN NOTTING HILL. When I got home I went straight up to Freddie's room.... 1991 : " On that Monday night, just one day after Freddie's death, I went out alone to drown my sorrows. I walked to the GATE CLUB IN NOTTING HILL intending to get totally legless." |
| mariah carey 24.06.2019 11:28 |
This BDSM The Gate Club is in Kent. Where is the proof that this EXACTLY THE SAME club was ever in Notting Hill? Because there is no mention about that in their site or everywhere else. I'm waiting :) |
| doughnut 24.06.2019 12:47 |
please for the love of god stop .........I'm gonna swear now but for fucks sake give it a rest. Freddie has been gone a long time now and we all miss the talent and wish he were still here to bless us with his music and talent. Jim has been dead since 2010. Jim wrote a book, so what, get over it, life moves on and life has moved on . Nothing is going to change, all that is happening is people are getting upset and angry . Leave it be and get on with your life. Life is precious and too short to spend it worrying about something that can't be changed. Just please please please stop ......it isn't healthy to spend this much time caught up in negative , dark behaviour. |
| doughnut 24.06.2019 12:50 |
oh and I don't give a flying fuck what details you can give me about the gate club. It was 28 years ago. Freddie liked to live in the present or for tomorrow, so take some of his advice and do the same. |
| The Real Mary Austin 21.07.2019 00:00 |
Fear not. I cometh to tel you the truth. Hold thy peace! Enough anguish has been expressed in this wonderfully named threat. Loveth for all, M.A. |