QueenZone discussion #1438852
Queen and Paul Rodgers -- why did it end the way it did?
| Holly2003 10.09.2015 15:42 |
So we're a few years down the line now from this and we know the official reason(s) why it ended, so no need to go over all that again, but has anything leaked from either side as to why the collaboration ended? |
| mooghead 10.09.2015 16:18 |
If it had sold 10 million it would still be going... |
| Doga 10.09.2015 16:24 |
Apparently something went wrong on South America during the Cosmos Tour? I'm not sure if the low sales of the album had importance on that, the arenas and the stadiums were full and this is how bands make money nowdays. Maybe was because Brian and Paul are very different, who knows? |
| people on streets 10.09.2015 16:31 |
Doga wrote: Maybe was because Brian and Paul are very different, who knows?Maybe? |
| Marknow 10.09.2015 19:52 |
Roger lost his mobile phone in the studio, in an effort to find it he reviewed the security camera footage and found out Paul had been dipping his cock into Brian's tea. |
| AlexRocks 10.09.2015 21:14 |
What is and or are the official reasons that we must not speak of? |
| Biggus Dickus 10.09.2015 23:32 |
Marknow wrote: Roger lost his mobile phone in the studio, in an effort to find it he reviewed the security camera footage and found out Paul had been dipping his cock into Brian's tea.Best post. |
| cmsdrums 11.09.2015 01:17 |
Brian and Paul had a BIG falling out; I heard this from Francis Rossi of Status Quo. |
| matt z 11.09.2015 02:26 |
cmsdrums wrote: Brian and Paul had a BIG falling out; I heard this from Francis Rossi of Status Quo.So. ... this is about the hairplugs? I always thought that Brian's was real |
| dudeofqueen 11.09.2015 03:51 |
Brian wasn't prepared to treat it as anything OTHER than a Queen tribute band. Paul saw the band as an opportunity to start off something new, interesting and challenging. Brian wanted to churn out the Queen hits all year long. The album release was nothing more than a contractual obligation which QPL convinced Paul was going to become something more. There was only so long that Paul could continue to pay homage to Freddie in trying to push the band in a direction that had some value in the long-term. Thankfully, Paul decided to get out. |
| Holly2003 11.09.2015 07:06 |
AlexRocks wrote: What is and or are the official reasons that we must not speak of?Rodgers said it had run its course, that they had released an album and did two massive tours so there wasn't much else to do. |
| Holly2003 11.09.2015 07:07 |
dudeofqueen wrote: Brian wasn't prepared to treat it as anything OTHER than a Queen tribute band. Paul saw the band as an opportunity to start off something new, interesting and challenging. Brian wanted to churn out the Queen hits all year long. The album release was nothing more than a contractual obligation which QPL convinced Paul was going to become something more. There was only so long that Paul could continue to pay homage to Freddie in trying to push the band in a direction that had some value in the long-term. Thankfully, Paul decided to get out.Is this your opinion of what happened or has anything new come out to support this version of events? |
| Holly2003 11.09.2015 07:08 |
cmsdrums wrote: Brian and Paul had a BIG falling out; I heard this from Francis Rossi of Status Quo.Not sure whether this is a joke or not. "I heard it from Chas & Dave" etc., :) but if not, can you expand a bit? |
| Vocal harmony 11.09.2015 07:13 |
^^^^ not quite. RT and Paul Rodgers didn't get on during the first tour. They decided to carry on because both sides thought there was a chance of producing something worthy. The album for whatever reason wasn't a huge success. Rodgers has since firmly laid the blame at BM and RT's feet. The Cosmos tour played to big audiences but Rodgers was being difficult to work with. His reputation is well known. The back stage arrangments were like two different camps. Rodgers preferring to have little to do with BM and RT. At one point they had Jeff Scot Soto on call in case Rodgers walked! Things came to a head in South America. BM is on record ax saying to preserve their none profecional friendship they decided to end the partnership. Rodgers has since said he'd like to work with them again if a big enough charity event was in the offing. The lineup with Rodgers was very much two different camps coming together to work. At least with Lambert it has some feeling of being a real band in the sence that they are playing just Queen songs, and they all get on together.also Lambert unlike Rodgers isn't using the live shows to push his own career. |
| cmsdrums 11.09.2015 07:15 |
Holly2003 wrote:Not a joke Holly....I don't know the details, but the singer in my old band is friends with Rossi and so I got this second hand; I did however hear of the argument(s) before it really became known in fan circles that there seemed to to be an issue, so it wasn't passed on to me in reaction to the QPR split but in advance of and 'out of the blue', so I have no reason to doubt it.cmsdrums wrote: Brian and Paul had a BIG falling out; I heard this from Francis Rossi of Status Quo.Not sure whether this is a joke or not. "I heard it from Chas & Dave" etc., :) but if not, can you expand a bit? Cheers |
| winterspelt 11.09.2015 12:12 |
Vocal harmony wrote: ^^^^ not quite. RT and Paul Rodgers didn't get on during the first tour. They decided to carry on because both sides thought there was a chance of producing something worthy. The album for whatever reason wasn't a huge success. Rodgers has since firmly laid the blame at BM and RT's feet. The Cosmos tour played to big audiences but Rodgers was being difficult to work with. His reputation is well known. The back stage arrangments were like two different camps. Rodgers preferring to have little to do with BM and RT. At one point they had Jeff Scot Soto on call in case Rodgers walked! Things came to a head in South America. BM is on record ax saying to preserve their none profecional friendship they decided to end the partnership. Rodgers has since said he'd like to work with them again if a big enough charity event was in the offing. The lineup with Rodgers was very much two different camps coming together to work. At least with Lambert it has some feeling of being a real band in the sence that they are playing just Queen songs, and they all get on together.also Lambert unlike Rodgers isn't using the live shows to push his own career.I didnt knew about JSS, but I have read the other points in different sites over the years. |
| infiniticz 11.09.2015 12:16 |
RT in some interview during FOE promotion said that he never had problem with PR, so everything points at something wrong betwen BM and PR. Remember the "problems" with intro in 2008 - One Vision, Surf' up, TYMD and not fitting Hammer To Fall (which was said it was Brian's idea). I guess BM always wants to hold thing in his hands and maybe he wanted to play less new material (Rodgers new tracks played only few times) but Paul did't feel much comfortable in Freddie's shoes so logically he'd like to play more new or his solo songs than he was allowed... Only my opinions, but I must admit that Paul's voice is for me better than Adam's, cos he's more rock singer than Adam. |
| miraclesteinway 13.09.2015 07:35 |
I must say, I always get the impression that Brian is a control freak at least when it comes to his music and business. Roger is probably less of a control freak and was happier to let Freddie get involved on his stuff, and he's known Brian long enough that it isn't a problem to him nowadays. I can imagine that Paul Rodgers wanted to make it a genuine partnership, but Brian wanted it to be Queen through and through. It could have been something interesting but it really wasn't in terms of the Cosmos Rocks. It's not a bad album in that it's listenable, but really, it's boring, and in retrospect I hear the artistic tensions resulted in a withdrawing of interest all round, and it turned out like a weak Brian solo album. I'll tell you when I first heart Cosmos Rocks I was just happy to hear that kind of Queen sound on new material, but I tired of it very quickly once the excitement had passed (which took about five minutes. I listened to it once). The Adam Lambert thing works because Adam has agreed to do this job as the singer of Queen, rather than as an artist in his own right, so that's probably why no new material has come out of it. Adam Lambert is relatively inexperienced when compared to Paul Rodgers, and he's coming into this as a young artist (i know he's 34, but he came into the business a little bit later and he doesn't have that many albums out already), and he is just revelling in the opportunity to front his favourite band. That's fine, but nobody can pretend it's an artistic partnership and I feel that it was never supposed to be that. It's basically Brian telling him what to do, and they probably get on well on those terms. To be honest I can imagine Paul Rodgers and Brian May tearing each other to pieces.... and Roger escaping to the pub at those times. |
| Martin Packer 13.09.2015 08:43 |
The issue with an album with AL is (I believe) he has little experience of songwriting. I'm not sure Brian and Roger can generate enough material for an entire album. Maybe they should try a single and see. The same argument with Kerry Ellis: I've not seen her get a single songwriting credit. I suspect KE and AL more or less "do what they're told" (perhaps a little harsh) and I can't imagine an established songwriter like Paul Rodgers doing so. |
| e-man 13.09.2015 11:13 |
Roger is quoted saying that Brian and Paul had some differences. Which probably means that BIG differences, and thus arguments etc The JSS story is interesting. He was at the venue for several of the UK gigs in 2005, but I would love to get a list of all the gigs he "attended". I don't know about 2008 though? although I'm not very keen on scandals within the band, I would still like to know what made QPR fold. it seemed to happen very quickly |
| cmsdrums 13.09.2015 13:51 |
If JSS was there in 2005 that must have been in case Rodgers COULDN'T do it......if he was there in 2008 it would be if Rodgers WOULDN'T do it. |
| brENsKi 13.09.2015 16:59 |
i think the pressure of being "Freddie's favourite singer" finally got to Paul, eventually he just snapped :-) |
| Day dop 14.09.2015 18:20 |
I consider the Queen+ Paul Rodgers collaboration to be quite a farty part of Queen related history. |
| Pim Derks 15.09.2015 03:15 |
Has anything ever been confirmed about the Jeff Scott Soto thing? I've seen that rumour come up a couple of times, but I honestly can't imagine Brian and Roger having a back-up singer available if Paul wouldn't do it. In 2005 Paul had voice problems, so I can kinda imagine them having a back-up then - but in 2008 they had just recorded an album etc, so if tensions were already high why did they agree to such a long tour...? |
| Ivo-1976 15.09.2015 04:29 |
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| dysan 15.09.2015 06:19 |
Three's a crowd. I can imagine PR in different situations siding with either BM or RT which would rile up the odd man out - and we know things haven't always been plain sailing for RT and BM. Add a 3rd wheel and I can imagine it being difficult in any scenario. As has been said, I'm sure AL is happy to do as he's told. The minute he feels he has to tell his management to tell Queens management that he'd like to open with so and so, it's over. |
| Holly2003 15.09.2015 06:51 |
Whose idea was it to open with One Shot/Reaching Out? |
| Vocal harmony 15.09.2015 07:25 |
The One Shot intro was RT's idea. Reaching Out, I believe, was BM's idea as it Represented the first time he and PAul Rodgers had played/recorded together. As far as playing a long tour. How about a contractual obligation to promote the album with live shows? The tour did, after all, bring about an end to the band with that lineup. I've also heard that RT wanted Gail Ann Dorsey or Pino Palladino to play Bass with them but the idea was overturned by Rodgers. |
| NickESB 15.09.2015 10:07 |
Vocal harmony wrote: The One Shot intro was RT's idea. Reaching Out, I believe, was BM's idea as it Represented the first time he and PAul Rodgers had played/recorded together. As far as playing a long tour. How about a contractual obligation to promote the album with live shows? The tour did, after all, bring about an end to the band with that lineup. I've also heard that RT wanted Gail Ann Dorsey or Pino Palladino to play Bass with them but the idea was overturned by Rodgers.Paul apparently turned down Neil Murray on the basis they'd had a falling out over 20 years earlier. Of course, Neil played a couple of shows in 2008 when Danny was sick - there was tension between the pair at first, apparently. |
| k-m 16.09.2015 09:51 |
dysan wrote: Three's a crowd. I can imagine PR in different situations siding with either BM or RT which would rile up the odd man out - and we know things haven't always been plain sailing for RT and BM. Add a 3rd wheel and I can imagine it being difficult in any scenario. As has been said, I'm sure AL is happy to do as he's told. The minute he feels he has to tell his management to tell Queens management that he'd like to open with so and so, it's over.I actually have quite the opposite impression and I think you're demonising it. AL is Brian and Roger's last chance to stay on the road really and I would imagine he might have a bit of a say, e.g. could we try this or that, tweak the running order, etc. The difference is that he does not really have a catalogue of his own, so he is naturally restricted to Queen. Besides, I don't think he has any desire to flog "Ghost Town" in front of a Queen audience. Everybody knows people are coming to hear Queen and that's it. |
| Pim Derks 16.09.2015 10:52 |
Ghost Town is awesome though! |
| winterspelt 16.09.2015 11:39 |
Adam Lambert needs exposure, Queen is a once in a lifetime opportunity for any singer, specially in the same league as Adam. If Adam wants to sing one of his songs and the band agrees they might as well do a rearrangement. Adam seems to be very happy for having the chance to play with Queen, while Paul seems to be a little bit bitter about being "the guest" and not being the main attraction... Which is a shame cause Paul have a lot of amazing songs. In my point of view, Q+PR ended because of the egos involved, specially Paul's ego, cause in the end he was just a guest but wanted to be the main attraction. |
| k-m 16.09.2015 12:11 |
winterspelt wrote: Adam Lambert needs exposure, Queen is a once in a lifetime opportunity for any singer, specially in the same league as Adam. If Adam wants to sing one of his songs and the band agrees they might as well do a rearrangement. Adam seems to be very happy for having the chance to play with Queen, while Paul seems to be a little bit bitter about being "the guest" and not being the main attraction... Which is a shame cause Paul have a lot of amazing songs. In my point of view, Q+PR ended because of the egos involved, specially Paul's ego, cause in the end he was just a guest but wanted to be the main attraction.I agree, PR was like, "Ooh, something stung me in the ass today, do we really have to do it?". Adam doesn't mind. |
| Doga 16.09.2015 12:34 |
In the defense of Rodgers, at the start of the first tour he didn't want to sing any of his songs, just Queen's, but Brian and Roger encouraged him. I still think was the different personalities of Paul and Brian the thing that caused the break. Paul is more carefree and wanted to do different things and Brian is a perfectionist who wanted less variety but more accuracy. I enjoyed that collaboration and i enjoy Adam too, but example, Lambert is a real Queen fan and he knows the lyrics of the songs, sometimes Paul needed that screen in front of the stage to sing the actual lyrics. |
| dysan 16.09.2015 14:13 |
I can say a good proportion of the audience were there to see AL when I saw them. Certainly the most vocal of the audience - the kidz who brought big AL banners along etc and to be fair, didn't have a clue what half the songs were. |
| Ivo-1976 16.09.2015 15:31 |
They had a nice run, did 3 tours, recorded an album, and made lots of people happy by bringing "Queen" back to the stage. After that, I guess Paul wanted to do more solo stuff and Brian and Roger didn't feel like continuing the cooperation. Everything had been said and done. People often want to read dramas but I think it was more of a mutual agreement to stop. |
| k-m 17.09.2015 10:21 |
Dear me, they actually did "Ghost Town" in Sao Paulo. link |
| pittrek 17.09.2015 10:30 |
k-m wrote: Dear me, they actually did "Ghost Town" in Sao Paulo. linkActually more tolerable than the "normal version" : link |
| Oscar J 17.09.2015 11:05 |
Prefer the studio version of Ghost Town actually. This was rather half-arsed. |
| The Real Wizard 18.09.2015 19:39 |
miraclesteinway wrote: Adam Lambert is relatively inexperienced when compared to Paul RodgersHa ! Understatement of the year. Rodgers fronted three major bands before Queen. |
| The Real Wizard 18.09.2015 19:56 |
Doga wrote: Lambert is a real Queen fanI'm not so sure. Remember that interview from a few years ago when he forgot Brian May's name? |
| cmsdrums 19.09.2015 03:48 |
Beyong Brian and Paul arguing, I don't know the full specifics of why it ended, but I'm glad it did - Rodgers was getting right on my tits well before the end with a cavalier approach to the song melodies, and his vowel sounds were hurting my ears. I recall him being interviewed when the Lambert tour was announced, and he basically said that Lambert was inexperienced and would struggle to cope with the scale of it, and wouldn't be able to do it vocally. The truth is Lambert learned very quickly and grew into the job and now looks right at home, and they actually look and sound like 'a band' together. Vocally he has delivered every show and only had one or two missed shows due to a specific illness. Rodgers started off brilliantly at the UK Hall of Fame thing on two songs, then got worse as time went on - ducking out of songs he either couldn't sing or hadn't learnt, and always seeming not quite comfortable in that setting, which is some feat for someone of his experience. |
| Oscar J 19.09.2015 05:28 |
cmsdrums wrote: Rodgers was getting right on my tits well before the end with a cavalier approach to the song melodies... Whatever do you mean? :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OL7fUeLqa0 |
| k-m 19.09.2015 16:31 |
Oscar J wrote:cms drums: Spot on about that quote. Actually, I think that's one thing some people fail to recognise. Adam is very young and he just dived into those huge gigs and extensive tours and... he is handling them so well! He totally wins over the audience every single time ("I always win the audience" - FM) This is a feat. This may sound like a blasphemy, but just think how many years it took Freddie to master that absolute command of the audience? He was good in the 70s, but his charisma really came to the fore in the 80s. Adam seems to realise that Brian and Roger may not be up for these things for much longer and he really makes it work.cmsdrums wrote: Rodgers was getting right on my tits well before the end with a cavalier approach to the song melodies...Whatever do you mean? :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OL7fUeLqa0 Oscar J: I agree about the cavalier approach etc., but watching the video made me realise how tight the band (Brian and Roger) played back then. Jeez... Such a shame AL did not appear sooner, but let's just enjoy it while it lasts. Not a PR hater, but his bluesy manner just doesn't work for me on these songs, sorry. |
| Oscar J 19.09.2015 16:47 |
Tight? They made a huge amount of mistakes in that version of One Vision. But yes, in general, they were much punchier and more vital people back then. Especially Roger Taylor looked extremely frail in Rio, you can really tell that it's not really him but his son drumming by now. His power is absolutely gone, I'm starting to wonder whether he has osteoarthritis or something. |
| tomchristie22 19.09.2015 21:19 |
Oscar J wrote: Whatever do you mean? :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OL7fUeLqa0Oof... It's painful when Rogers sings 'real decision' with the phrasing rushed so it doesn't fit the rhythm. I feel for Brian and Roger trying to sing vocal harmony with him at that point. Eugh... 'And a cold wind blows' coming in too early then just falling to pieces. |
| Vocal harmony 20.09.2015 06:07 |
cmsdrums wrote: |
| Oscar J 20.09.2015 11:33 |
tomchristie: Well, first "And visions of one sweet union" comes to early. Then Roger, the hamfisted sod, comes in at beat four in the bar, further screwing everything up. Don't blame the poor background singers for the resulting trainwreck. :) |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 20.09.2015 19:57 |
Paul Rodgers is a legend. He was not the right decission to some Queen songs but....an american idol singer who even not know all the albums of Queen before he toured with May and Taylor? |
| The King Of Rhye 20.09.2015 22:39 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Paul Rodgers is a legend. He was not the right decission to some Queen songs but....an american idol singer who even not know all the albums of Queen before he toured with May and Taylor?So freakin' what if Adam's an 'American Idol singer'? (btw that was 6 years and 3 albums ago) Actually, my first thought when I heard about the collaboration was something along those lines. Something like "they're going from a rock legend to some American Idol guy? Hell no!" But I was open-minded enough that when I heard there would be a tour, I checked out some of their earlier concerts, and even Adam's solo music, and decided he was pretty good after all. Maybe he doesn't have encyclopedic knowledge of every album and song, but to me he sure as hell sounds good doing the Queen songs he does sing, and seems to have a genuine appreciation of the music, and of Freddie, for that matter. |
| musicland munich 20.09.2015 22:59 |
I think people should curb their enthusiasm about bashing Paul Rodgers. As for that above mentioned Link...Freddie himself has forgotten the Lyrics for Queen songs himself now and then. Of course the two minutes Clip is bad somehow, but the performance of Brian also wasn't superb imho. One of the YTusers comments point in the direction that Bri starts the song too fast...MAYBE he did, but that can't be an excuse for a bad performance on a professional level. The other musicians are good enough to catch up with a slighly faster speed. As for how or better why it ends..It just doesn't fit ! Rodgers style of singing mixed with Queen songs...meh...bad idea but not his fault in general. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 21.09.2015 13:34 |
The King Of Rhye wrote:I listened the Adam Lambert albums, and saw the shows with May and Taylor, because I always preffer to give an opinion with knowledge. I'm still thinking the same.Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: Paul Rodgers is a legend. He was not the right decission to some Queen songs but....an american idol singer who even not know all the albums of Queen before he toured with May and Taylor?So freakin' what if Adam's an 'American Idol singer'? (btw that was 6 years and 3 albums ago) Actually, my first thought when I heard about the collaboration was something along those lines. Something like "they're going from a rock legend to some American Idol guy? Hell no!" But I was open-minded enough that when I heard there would be a tour, I checked out some of their earlier concerts, and even Adam's solo music, and decided he was pretty good after all. Maybe he doesn't have encyclopedic knowledge of every album and song, but to me he sure as hell sounds good doing the Queen songs he does sing, and seems to have a genuine appreciation of the music, and of Freddie, for that matter. |
| Doga 21.09.2015 13:38 |
The Paul Rodgers collaboration didn't ended in time. If they stoped at the end of the Return of the Champions Tour, after that big show at Hyde Park they still be in good terms and everybody will consider the union a success, but the Cosmos Rock era killed all that. Of course no one would know that in 2007. |
| Marknow 21.09.2015 15:34 |
Anybody who thinks PR was a better fit to Queen than Al needs to get their shit together. A lot of people walked away in disgust when AL came along simply because he didn't have enough lineage or credibility, they missed out big time. Don't get me wrong, Paul is a great artist and I love him forever for helping to kick start Queen+ live but Adam is more suited to Queen by light years and he's brought a new audience with him. There is so much energy and momentum behind Q+AL that was never there with Paul. Q+AL is far from over, believe me, and I'm fucking delighted about that. :) |
| Marknow 21.09.2015 15:39 |
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| Apocalipsis_Darko 21.09.2015 17:08 |
If you don't know about music Marknow, is not my problem . Paul Rodgers was a classic rock singer with Free before Queen recorded their first album. There¡s more music out there than Queen.MMM, you can listen Prince or Roberta Flak, Freddie liked them, perhaps you need always a link. Of course, the perfect fit for Queen would be George Michael in 1993, but...there's no Queen. |
| winterspelt 21.09.2015 19:21 |
People look the PR collaboration in a very unfair point of view: We all know how it started and how it ended. We know how the AL collaboration started but dont know how it will end. While I prefer Q+AL over Q+PR, there's no way to deny that both singers have a very different approach to the songs. The topic is not about who is "better" or "worst" Which one is better? It depends on a personal taste: Queen, Queen+PR/AL had many mistakes in the past, shit happens. But, if we look at the amount of success, its clear that the Q+AL collaboration is a success in both music and economic level. Now, back on topic, I think Q+PR could do some amazing music under another circumstances but they recorded TCR when Brian was busy doing other stuff and it seems that Roger and Paul dont get along at all. What a shame... |
| ggo1 22.09.2015 11:31 |
Apocalipsis_Darko wrote: If you don't know about music Marknow, is not my problem . Paul Rodgers was a classic rock singer with Free before Queen recorded their first album. There¡s more music out there than Queen.MMM, you can listen Prince or Roberta Flak, Freddie liked them, perhaps you need always a link. Of course, the perfect fit for Queen would be George Michael in 1993, but...there's no Queen.George Michael singing Hammer To Fall, One Vision, Stone Cold Crazy, Tie Your Mother Down? no no no... The wonder of Freddie was his ability to sing all types of songs, Geogre Michael was amazing on STL at the tribute and would have been excellent on the poppier songs, but I really don't see him singing the whole catalog. A fabulous pop or soul voice is not enough to front Queen. I'm a huge fan of Paul Rodgers and I was thrilled when he toured with Queen, but it never felt like a Queen show. It was good, I enjoyed it, but it always sounded a little forced to me, and whatever the reason for it ending, in the long run it has turned out for the best, because... Adam Lambert... I think they sound like Queen again, his voice is different to Freddies, which is a good thing, it stops it being karaoke but the overall show is more Queen than anything we've seen since... well... Queen. They look like a band, they look like they are having fun. I'm loving it. |
| Apocalipsis_Darko 22.09.2015 14:27 |
George Michael also sang perfect 39, an acoustic song. Nobody knows if George Michael could sang that songs, if he never did it. The same for Lambert before he did it....the fried chicken gesture by Lambert in Rio the other night...wooow...that was "a kind of magic"... |
| Martin Packer 22.09.2015 14:50 |
One other difference between QPR and QAL is that the former actually produced some NEW music - whatever you think of it. The latter HASN'T - so far. Nice that they're playing "Ghost Town" now but I don't see Adam Lambert as a writer YET. So it would be interesting to see what new recordings could look like, and the extent to which Adam would write. |
| pittrek 22.09.2015 15:28 |
Oscar J wrote:OMG that was horrible. Absolutely horrible. Not Paul. All of them. At least Spike "tried" to play One Vision. I like the look on his face. "come on guys, keep it together". The whole thing looks / sounds like they were doing drugs backstage, completely forgot they were supposed to play and ran on stage completely unprepared.cmsdrums wrote: Rodgers was getting right on my tits well before the end with a cavalier approach to the song melodies...Whatever do you mean? :) [url= link [/url] |
| pittrek 22.09.2015 15:30 |
Marknow wrote: Anybody who thinks PR was a better fit to Queen than Al needs to get their shit together. A lot of people walked away in disgust when AL came along simply because he didn't have enough lineage or credibility, they missed out big time. Don't get me wrong, Paul is a great artist and I love him forever for helping to kick start Queen+ live but Adam is more suited to Queen by light years and he's brought a new audience with him. There is so much energy and momentum behind Q+AL that was never there with Paul. Q+AL is far from over, believe me, and I'm fucking delighted about that. :)I was against Adam because I hate(d) his singing style and "stage persona". He's getting better, but the rest of the band isn't. They are too slow, Brian seems like he's in pain, Roger looks like he's 10 seconds away from a heart attack... |
| Ivo-1976 22.09.2015 16:02 |
Roger needs a back-up drummer and that says it all for me. Two old men, ghosts of who they once were, dwelling in the past with a talent show singer. With an audience that is mainly there for a little taste of the good old times. It's getting kind of a joke and the boys deserve better than this. This is a parody of Queen. Finish it off with a short UK-tour and call it a day. That's what i would do. Over time, it will only get worse. |
| Marknow 22.09.2015 16:30 |
pittrek wrote:Marknow wrote: Anybody who thinks PR was a better fit to Queen than Al needs to get their shit together. A lot of people walked away in disgust when AL came along simply because he didn't have enough lineage or credibility, they missed out big time. Don't get me wrong, Paul is a great artist and I love him forever for helping to kick start Queen+ live but Adam is more suited to Queen by light years and he's brought a new audience with him. There is so much energy and momentum behind Q+AL that was never there with Paul. Q+AL is far from over, believe me, and I'm fucking delighted about that. :)I was against Adam because I hate(d) his singing style and "stage persona". He's getting better, but the rest of the band isn't. They are too slow, Brian seems like he's in pain, Roger looks like he's 10 seconds away from a heart attack... That is a fair comment re Adam, he does over power a fair bit, he also tries to be more humorous than necessary imho, traits that are products of his theatrical upbringing, the lad with the mustache was lambasted for those reasons too though when Queen started out. I love AL for his Queen+ live status and I really feel it is more "Queen" than Q+PR. Have I bought his latest album? No. I'm a major fan of his live work with Queen. Is he perfect? fuck no! As for Bri & Rog, let's be honest, they won't go on forever with both of them being the wrong side of 60, maybe age is creeping in but not to the extent where they should stop performing. I cannot recall any period post-Freddie when I have seen them so happy and enthusiastic to be performing live. When you get to that age enthusiasm and joy are priceless commodities. I really wish people could see the joy in what we have on offer at the moment. I wish people could drop the prejudice they have for AL because he doesn't have 40 years in the business like PR does. I'm not an overtly joyous person who seeks the positive in everything, quite the opposite really, but this is it folks, this is as good as it will ever get without Fred. I could go on and talk about how successful the live numbers have been with Queen+ Al and many more points, I'm not going to, people can make up their own mind. What really annoys me though is the fact that people ignore the numbers, the sell out concerts in many countries worldwide, the critical acclaim from the press, they did so before AL sung a note with Bri & Rog because he was a nobody, Elton John said it back in 1991 "They need to grab some kid, a nobody who can do the music justice" they did, it's a shame it took so much time to do so. |
| Marknow 22.09.2015 16:40 |
If certain fans don't like it then fair enough, such is life. I respect that position, after all it's worth only as much as mine. To write the project off without experiencing it though is foolhardy at best. (rant over :P) |
| Marknow 22.09.2015 16:46 |
Ivo-1976 wrote: old men, ghosts of who they once were, dwelling in the past Is that how you would like to be remembered too when you hit your late 60's? Have you any humility at all? Should they just book into a Swiss clinic for a lethal cocktail seeing as they have served their purpose? Lest they fail you even more. Shame on you. |
| Oscar J 22.09.2015 18:21 |
I will happily admit that AL fits Queen much better that Rodgers. Not that that's much of an accomplishment. Show Must Go On: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOshR7YEucc "Mah makeup may be flayakin'" Note choices throughout ranging from unnecessary to downright odd. We Are The Chayampions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izMvfxxRbcE "And bad mistayakes... I've mayade a few." There's just one line in the whole song he didn't completely change around. |
| Oscar J 22.09.2015 18:22 |
double post |
| winterspelt 22.09.2015 21:53 |
Oscar J wrote: I will happily admit that AL fits Queen much better that Rodgers. Not that that's much of an accomplishment. Show Must Go On: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOshR7YEucc "Mah makeup may be flayakin'" Note choices throughout ranging from unnecessary to downright odd. We Are The Chayampions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izMvfxxRbcE "And bad mistayakes... I've mayade a few." There's just one line in the whole song he didn't completely change around.Or this: link |
| Doga 23.09.2015 00:18 |
We bashed the guy enough, i think. To say something positive i enjoy Voodoo and Surf's Up, as well as C-Lebrity. |
| Pim Derks 23.09.2015 01:10 |
I've seen QAL live once, QPR 13 times. Adam has definitely gotten a lot better in the big tour, when compared to the (YouTube videos of) the 2012 gigs. Still, the band felt (to me) much tighter in 2005/2008. Roger NOT playing Tie Your Mother Down is just sad. |
| Togg 23.09.2015 02:37 |
Marknow wrote:Totally agreed, the folks on here not around when Freddie was alive have been very fortunate to get to see whatever form Queen have taken over the past 20 years so enjoy it while it lasts. Have some joy people, isnt that what music is all about?, Had Brian died do you really think Freddie would have never sung another Queen song on stage, it was in his blood, he would have been performing with other artists (particularly young talent) He loved working and performing as do they. Enjoy seeing Brian and Roger play some of teh best somgs ever written while it lasts.pittrek wrote:That is a fair comment re Adam, he does over power a fair bit, he also tries to be more humorous than necessary imho, traits that are products of his theatrical upbringing, the lad with the mustache was lambasted for those reasons too though when Queen started out. I love AL for his Queen+ live status and I really feel it is more "Queen" than Q+PR. Have I bought his latest album? No. I'm a major fan of his live work with Queen. Is he perfect? fuck no! As for Bri & Rog, let's be honest, they won't go on forever with both of them being the wrong side of 60, maybe age is creeping in but not to the extent where they should stop performing. I cannot recall any period post-Freddie when I have seen them so happy and enthusiastic to be performing live. When you get to that age enthusiasm and joy are priceless commodities. I really wish people could see the joy in what we have on offer at the moment. I wish people could drop the prejudice they have for AL because he doesn't have 40 years in the business like PR does. I'm not an overtly joyous person who seeks the positive in everything, quite the opposite really, but this is it folks, this is as good as it will ever get without Fred. I could go on and talk about how successful the live numbers have been with Queen+ Al and many more points, I'm not going to, people can make up their own mind. What really annoys me though is the fact that people ignore the numbers, the sell out concerts in many countries worldwide, the critical acclaim from the press, they did so before AL sung a note with Bri & Rog because he was a nobody, Elton John said it back in 1991 "They need to grab some kid, a nobody who can do the music justice" they did, it's a shame it took so much time to do so.Marknow wrote: Anybody who thinks PR was a better fit to Queen than Al needs to get their shit together. A lot of people walked away in disgust when AL came along simply because he didn't have enough lineage or credibility, they missed out big time. Don't get me wrong, Paul is a great artist and I love him forever for helping to kick start Queen+ live but Adam is more suited to Queen by light years and he's brought a new audience with him. There is so much energy and momentum behind Q+AL that was never there with Paul. Q+AL is far from over, believe me, and I'm fucking delighted about that. :)I was against Adam because I hate(d) his singing style and "stage persona". He's getting better, but the rest of the band isn't. They are too slow, Brian seems like he's in pain, Roger looks like he's 10 seconds away from a heart attack... |
| Martin Packer 23.09.2015 06:59 |
Have seen QAL twice, QPR twice, Q four times. Prefer Q (obviously) to QAL and QPR and prefer QAL to QPR. |
| e-man 23.09.2015 07:29 |
despite a train wreck portion, the QPR Mandela version of One Vision is not bad at all. Some people want the song to have the exact same phrasing as Freddie would have done, but that was never the case with Paul. He had his own spin on it - and that was what Brian used to praise him for. compare it to the rio version from other day, and it's obvious to me the latter lacks power, both in playing and in vocals. lambert's voice is still to thin and vibrating and related to the topic; Roger is really slowing down.... |
| Oscar J 23.09.2015 08:15 |
^ Good post. Rodgers sang One Vision quite well, as it fits him as a singer. Other songs are almost unbearable though. True about Roger by the way, poor guy. |
| winterspelt 23.09.2015 11:42 |
Well, Paul deserves some criticism for his awful performances in the last days of Q+PR. Having said that, I enjoyed a lot Q+PR. There are a few amazing bootlegs and Return of the Champions is a really nice video. Im also part of the minority who enjoys TCR album (Believe, Warboys, CR and specially Small and Glitter are GREAT songs) and praise should be given to Brian and Roger for playing some great versions of Paul's songs and add a little bit of their magic to those great songs, specially Brian for the Paul Kossoff-like touch to Paul's songs. It's clear that the only 100% capable singer for Queen is Freddie (the songs were made FOR him, so no surprises here). Paul did a great job a lot of the time and an awful job in the last days. Adam had a good start. Years later, the 2014/early 2015 shows were amazing. I have mixed feelings for the current tour. I feel the band is not into it as the previous 2014/2015 tours. |
| Oscar J 23.09.2015 11:46 |
winterspelt: Do you mean Rodgers singing got increasingly bad as they progressed? Any examples? |
| NickESB 23.09.2015 11:50 |
winterspelt wrote: I have mixed feelings for the current tour. I feel the band is not into it as the previous 2014/2015 tours.Honestly, I think they're underehearsed this time around. Rio wasn't great, all of them making notable errors. |
| winterspelt 23.09.2015 22:50 |
Oscar J wrote: winterspelt: Do you mean Rodgers singing got increasingly bad as they progressed? Any examples?Download any show from random show from 2005 (It seems that Paul had a few random issues with his voice all over the tour but still he was able to deal a decent performance) or 2006 (which, IIRC, is the tour in which they released the "Return of the Champions" DVD) and compare it to any random gig from their last tour and Paul's performance was average or even bad. |
| NickESB 24.09.2015 02:32 |
winterspelt wrote:Return of the Champions was recorded in Sheffield on May 9, 2005, a couple of shows from the end of the EU Tour.Oscar J wrote: winterspelt: Do you mean Rodgers singing got increasingly bad as they progressed? Any examples?Download any show from random show from 2005 (It seems that Paul had a few random issues with his voice all over the tour but still he was able to deal a decent performance) or 2006 (which, IIRC, is the tour in which they released the "Return of the Champions" DVD) and compare it to any random gig from their last tour and Paul's performance was average or even bad. |
| Doga 24.09.2015 04:32 |
The main issue of Return of the Champions is that it isn't Super Live in Japan, while RotC has better camera work and lightring, SLJ has better setlist (Teo Torriate, I Was Born to Love You, Fire and Water and a 10 min. solo) better performance of the band and a better production of the sound. To this day, if there is a product to show the musical prowess of Brian and Roger outside the traditional Queen, is Super Live in Japan. |
| brunogorski 24.09.2015 19:40 |
Speaking about that, does ANYONE still has the SLJ in 1080p? I was never able to download it. Sad. |
| Doga 24.09.2015 20:19 |
I don't know if was filmed in HD in the first place. It wasn't released in BluRay, if i'm not mistaken, only in DVD, so 480p. The only opportunity to catch in 1080p it'll be a HDTV transmision, but then, it'll probably be upscaled anyway. My favourite Last Horizon comes from that show, is very clean. |
| brunogorski 25.09.2015 10:27 |
Oh, I supposed it was 1080p. Don't know why, actually. |
| Snackpot 27.09.2015 14:56 |
Rodger's made Queen boring. He's doesn't have much range to his voice at all, which pretty much killed 99% of Queen songs. Whenever he sang the Queen songs it was as if he was half-arsed phoning it in. He couldn't even be bothered to learn the words, working as he did with a tele-prompter. His whole performance smacked of a last minute supply teacher who doesn't really care what happens and will just go through the motions until 3.15pm when the bell goes and he can go and have a fag. |
| Biggest Band On The Planet 27.09.2015 19:23 |
In this concert I think Rodgers is on fire. I'm not a big fan of Rodgers but I'd take him any day over adam lambert. link |
| cmsdrums 28.09.2015 05:23 |
Doga wrote: I don't know if was filmed in HD in the first place. It wasn't released in BluRay, if i'm not mistaken, only in DVD, so 480p. The only opportunity to catch in 1080p it'll be a HDTV transmision, but then, it'll probably be upscaled anyway. My favourite Last Horizon comes from that show, is very clean.The Ukraine concert was filmed in 1080p I believe, but never released on Blu Ray, as Brian stated at the time that there wasn't the demand for the HD format!! |
| pittrek 28.09.2015 06:57 |
I absolutely don't believe Japan TV was recording anything in SD resolution in 2008 |
| e-man 28.09.2015 13:04 |
Sheffield was recorded in HD. As was Japan 2005. Same goes for Ukraine 08. Both Japan and Ukraine have been shown, albeit in edited form, in HD on some tv channels Insane that none of the titles are available on blu ray. I actually e-mailed the good doctor about the lack of blu ray release, around the time it came out (summer 2009), and the excuse was that there wasn't a demand for blu rays..... all three titles should be re-released on blu ray, with bonus gigs thrown in. Hyde Park 2005. South America 08. Any gig from 08 really, as they had a decent camera set up every night. |
| e-man 28.09.2015 13:05 |
the chile gig posted above blows Ukraine out of the water. As does most of the gigs on the latter half of the tour. I never got why they went with Ukraine, apart from the obvious Aids awareness connection |
| e-man 28.09.2015 13:09 |
Biggest Band On The Planet wrote: In this concert I think Rodgers is on fire. I'm not a big fan of Rodgers but I'd take him any day over adam lambert. linkcleaned up with a good mix, this would be a great release. I'd listen to PR fart rahter than listen to lambert vibrate his way through Queen hits |