| cmi 27.02.2015 05:49 |
Here's my attempt to restore the original full length version of this song: I WANT IT ALL Written by Queen Produced by Queen and David Richards Running time - 5:00 2015 CMI Music Merge sources: 1) album version (1st press UK CD) - bulk of the track 2) 'The eYe' mono instrumental mix - edited intro segment 3) 'Rockband' stem - 'yeah yeah' ad lib 4) 'The eYe' semi-instrumental mix - first part of the outro 5) Preliminary mix (Capitol 'rough mixes' cassette) - final seconds of the outo Enjoy! 16/44 FLAC: https://mega.co.nz/#!5dlRGSAI!bkExK0jSXuf2u0QlLUhAeqvEST7BFRxX9zaXTO88S0k cmi |
| BETA215 27.02.2015 06:46 |
Thanks cmi! I'll open it later since I can't extract zip files in my phone. |
| Rami 28.02.2015 14:28 |
Thank you very much for your work! |
| Lord Fickle 28.02.2015 16:19 |
That's pretty good. But can you give me a clue where the ''Rockband' stem - 'yeah yeah' ad lib' is, as I think I must be missing it. :) |
| cmi 01.03.2015 02:11 |
Lord Fickle wrote: That's pretty good. But can you give me a clue where the ''Rockband' stem - 'yeah yeah' ad lib' is, as I think I must be missing it. :) Check out the playback exactly at 4:00 |
| Lord Fickle 01.03.2015 06:07 |
Oh yes! It's the same 'yeah yeah' as in the acapella intro on the single version. |
| Lord Fickle 01.03.2015 10:17 |
Just for a bit of fun, I've done an alternative version of this, using (with his permission) parts of cmi's mix, but replacing the 'eYe' part of the intro with a similar piece from the stems. It's not quite the same, but at least it's all in stereo now. I've also added the single version vocal intro, which isn't technically part of the original version, as it was just used for the single edit, but interesting to hear all the same. This single / album intro mix has already been done a couple of times on here, but this is a new mix, albeit the same as those older mixes. |
| cmi 01.03.2015 10:37 |
Great! I really like your re-creation of acoustic guitar/keyboard intro segment. |
| Lord Fickle 01.03.2015 10:50 |
Thanks. It does seem to blend better all being in stereo. :) |
| BETA215 01.03.2015 11:01 |
Oh my lord! Can you upload it in FLAC? (I hate when my ears say: That sounds weird! Stop it!) |
| Lord Fickle 01.03.2015 11:21 |
Its a 320kb MP3, so it shouldn't sound 'weird'! |
| Battler 01.03.2015 20:29 |
- Lord Ficke: You should look at the instrumental demo too. You'll find that the intro there is even longer than on The Eye version. Specifically, the part with all the guitars and drums (the very last part of the intro) is twice as long as on The Eye and all other versions. |
| Lord Fickle 02.03.2015 01:02 |
Where would I find that? |
| Battler 02.03.2015 07:05 |
- Lord Fickle: For download, no idea except that it's on several bootleg compilations, so I suggest searching on sites like RuTracker. However, on YouTube, it is here: link . |
| BETA215 02.03.2015 07:11 |
Lord Fickle wrote: Where would I find that? Search it in the link down this text. |
| Lord Fickle 02.03.2015 15:49 |
I've found the 'eYe' part of the intro in the stems, behind the first chorus. This seems to indicate to me that it's not an 'extra' part at all, but just something lifted from the multitracks for the 'eYe' version. I've done a mix replacing the mono 'eYe' part with the stereo section from the stems, making it all stereo, but I'm not sure that there was ever a genuine longer intro version to recreate. That said, the instrumental demo which BETA215 referred to above, does contain the longer intro, so I don't know whether they used it twice, or whether there's a subtle difference I'm not hearing between the intro part, and the part under the first chorus. Anyway, here you go, and this time it's FLAC. Once again, this is not all my work, but an agreed collaboration with cmi, using the main part of his mix, and his extended ending. |
| Lord Fickle 02.03.2015 16:10 |
For some reason it's not letting me upload the FLAC, so you'll have to make do with the MP3 for now... |
| Battler 02.03.2015 17:29 |
- Lord Fickle: Again, the demo also has another extra part of the intro that The Eye lacks. It essentially makes the part with all the drums and guitars longer. Edit: And that specific extra part I am referring to was even performed live at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert: link . Edit #2: Imho, structure-wise, the album version is like: C V2 C V1 V1 B C C V2 V2 B C C S S C C C X F F B C C X E Let me explain: C - Chorus with guitar only V2 - Drums from verse 2 C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra guitar V1 - Verse 1 V1 - Verse 1 B - Bridge C - Chorus C - Chorus + synth V2 - Verse 2 V2 - Verse 2 B - Bridge C - Chorus C - Chorus + synth S - Slow section S - Slow section C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra vocals C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra vocals X - Percussion and guitar "pulses", with extra guitar F - Fast section with chorus-like guitars and fast drums F - Fast section with chorus-like guitars and fast drums, with extra lead instruments B - Bridge C - Chorus with only drums and vocals C - Chorus C - Chorus without vocals and with extra guitar X - Percussion and guitar "pulses", with extra vocal E - Ending guitar The single intro is simply: C - Chorus with only vocals (A Cappella) C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra guitar Now, in both these versions, the intro and the end stick out with their non-paired chorus sections. The Hollywood records makes things worse by reducing the first chorus with vocals too from a pair to just one. Now this is The Eye intro: C - Chorus with guitar only C - Chorus with guitar only and added synth V2 - Drums from verse 2 C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra guitar Notice how the first "chorus" part becomes more balanced and consistent with the rest of the song here. But the second one still remains sticking out. This is the demo intro: C - Chorus with guitar only C - Chorus with guitar only and added synth V2 - Drums from verse 2 C - Chorus with guitar and drums C - Chorus with guitar and drums Both parts get the right balance here and become consistent with the rest of the song. This is the intro as it was performed at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert: C - Chorus with only vocals (A Cappella) C - Chorus with vocals and beating non-drum percussion C - Chorus with guitar and drums C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra guitar We see the second half following what we already hear in the demo, with even even the drum roll between the two guitar-and-drums sections performed just like it was in the demo. But we also see the A Cappella part (from the Single version) balancing out and becoming consistent. Now, the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert performance also balances the end by repeating the chorus with only drums and vocals, as well as the one with guitars and drums, and then repeating both sections with guitars and drums again. Now, IMHO, the full version is supposed to be: C C V2 C C V1 V1 B C C V2 V2 B C C S S C C C X F F B C C C C X E Or, at the extreme, I think more likely: C C V2 C C V1 V1 B C C V2 V2 B C C S S C C C X F F B C C C C C C X E Essentially, with the intro exactly as in the demo version but obviously finished (with the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert serving as a clue), and the ending with two sections of the chorus with only drums and vocals and two sections of the chorus with full instrumentation. This is what I think the structure for the full version ending is supposed to be: C - Chorus with only drums and vocals C - Chorus with only drums and vocals (possibly with added bass?) C - Chorus C - Chorus (possibly with added synth?) C - Chorus without vocals C - Chorus without vocals and with extra guitar X - Percussion and guitar "pulses", with extra vocal E - Ending guitar The Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert provides clues for that too, however everyone there decided to sing over the last two chorus sections instead of keeping them instrumental as they were supposed to be. And this is what I think the full version intro is supposed to be like: C - Chorus with guitar only C - Chorus with guitar only and added synth V2 - Drums from verse 2 C - Chorus with guitar and drums C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra guitar As well as a single-like variant: C - Chorus with only vocals (A Cappella) C - Chorus with vocals and beating non-drum percussion C - Chorus with guitar and drums C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra guitar Or, a variant combining both: C - Chorus with only vocals (A Cappella) C - Chorus with vocals and beating non-drum percussion C - Chorus with guitar only* C - Chorus with guitar only and added synth* V2 - Drums from verse 2 C - Chorus with guitar and drums C - Chorus with guitar and drums, with extra guitar * Possibly with added beating non-drum percussion to blend better with the first two sections. |
| Lord Fickle 02.03.2015 17:50 |
I have to admit I didn't listen to it fully, but unfortunately it's not the best quality and it would take a lot of work to make it sound comparable to the released version, which it would need to be to make a good mix from. I will listen to it again though, out of curiosity, as it may still be possible to recreate the extra parts from the stems. |
| Battler 02.03.2015 18:12 |
- Lord Fickle: Since you replied before I finished editing my post again, please read it, as I provided my attempt at a structural analysis of the various versions of the song and my opinion, based on what we have available, on how the supposed full version would be structured. And yes, please do have a better listen to the demo. :p |
| Lord Fickle 03.03.2015 01:00 |
Thanks for your very detailed analysis! I can't promise to do any more with this, as I haven't really got the time (maybe cmi wants to have another try?), but I'll give the demo a listen when I get a moment. |
| cmi 03.03.2015 02:06 |
Battler: Great analysis post! I need to carefully analyse stems for possible re-creation of extra intro parts. BTW, instrumental demo is different take so it's not correct to use it as part of extended version, specially when the quality is so poor in comparison with officially released material. Lord Fickle: Actually I can't hear any difference in the intro between to mp3 versions you've posted. Also your re-created intro is different to the original 'the eYe' intro. Original edited part doesn't include any percussion, also keyboards are different and not so prominent. |
| Lord Fickle 03.03.2015 03:28 |
Yes, mine was done from the partly pre-mixed stems, so that maybe where the bit of percussion came in. Also, bear in mind the eYe version was mono, so the stereo version will sound different. As I said, I don't have a great deal of time at the moment, but will have another look at it over the weekend. The second version I uploaded should have the little bit of guitar in the 'eYe' part, which was missing from my first mix - unless I've uploaded the same one twice by mistake. |
| Battler 03.03.2015 05:44 |
>> BTW, instrumental demo is different take so it's not correct to use it as part of extended version, It seems to me that the take is the same, bar for minor drum differences in the end of the intro which could be because of the subsequent cutting of the extra parts. However, it's unfinished, hence no vocals and the extra lead guitars are missing too. So basically there's only back guitars, drums, and bass (or maybe not even bass?). Edit: The eYe version sounds like a finished version of same, but the intro, as I said before, is slightly shorter (one part with guitars and drums cut one, same as in the album version). However, as the demo cuts out immediately before the fast section should start, we don't know how the missing second half would have been structured like. Maybe the eYe version differs further from the unfinished version in that part. |
| Lord Fickle 03.03.2015 06:33 |
Battler wrote: The eYe version sounds like a finished version of same, but the intro, as I said before, is slightly shorter (one part with guitars and drums cut one, same as in the album version). However, as the demo cuts out immediately before the fast section should start, we don't know how the missing second half would have been structured like. Maybe the eYe version differs further from the unfinished version in that part.Just to clarify, there are two version of IWIA on The eYe. One is 4:54 and contains the extended intro, and one is 4:43, which is near enough the same as the album version, the extra couple of seconds being a slightly extended fade at the end. The versions posted here are recreations of the longer eYe version, and that second section of the intro is the only part which is extended. In the demo version, there is a longer section before the first verse, where the first guitar break is between the intro and the first verse on the finished version. It's the backing part which runs behind the choruses, and on the demo, it runs twice, instead of once. However, it would be a hell of a job to try to recreate that from the stems, if possible at all, as all of those sections have twiddly bits of guitar over them, and there isn't just a 'clean' riff available of that guitar part in the stems. It could possibly be made up out of bits and repeated bits, but I don't think it would sound all that great. |
| Lord Fickle 03.03.2015 06:35 |
cmi wrote: Lord Fickle: Actually I can't hear any difference in the intro between to mp3 versions you've posted. Also your re-created intro is different to the original 'the eYe' intro. Original edited part doesn't include any percussion, also keyboards are different and not so prominent.My two uploads are definitely different - but only in that 'eYe' part of the intro. :) |
| Lord Fickle 03.03.2015 06:36 |
cmi wrote: Lord Fickle: Actually I can't hear any difference in the intro between to mp3 versions you've posted.My two uploads are definitely different - but only in that 'eYe' part of the intro. :) |
| Lord Fickle 03.03.2015 06:40 |
cmi wrote: Lord Fickle: Also your re-created intro is different to the original 'the eYe' intro. Original edited part doesn't include any percussion, also keyboards are different and not so prominent.Are you referring to the little 'chink chink chink' in the background with regards percussion? If so, then it's in the first section of the intro, and would sound slightly odd if it suddenly stopped for the second part, so I think it's better left in. As I said before, perhaps the keyboard prominence in the eYe version is a result of it being mono? |
| Battler 03.03.2015 10:35 |
>> In the demo version, there is a longer section before the first verse, where the first guitar break is between the intro and the first verse on the finished version. Yes, that's what I've been referring to all this time. :p Anyway, I just listened closely to the eYe instrumental version, to that specific part, and it seems like between the break and verse, the synth abruptly ends, then there's some abrupt guitar for a split-second, then the verse, as if something was cut. Edit: And I just notice that the part with chorus that normally only has drums and vocals, also seems to end a bit abruptly. |
| ActionThisDay 08.03.2015 05:47 |
Nice mix :-) |
| Back2TheLight 14.03.2015 01:03 |
Superb mix!! :) |
| Back2TheLight 14.03.2015 11:39 |
I would really be more than happy to consider this a definitive version! :) |
| cmi 02.04.2015 11:29 |
Great! Thanks. |
| Ale Solan 19.11.2015 23:56 |
Can anyone re upload this one in FLAC format? Many thanks in advance. |
| cmi 21.01.2016 02:11 |
Here is the new link: link |
| TheAdmiester 14.06.2016 17:29 |
The new link is dead, would anyone mind re-re-uploading? |
| cmi 18.06.2016 03:58 |
Here's a link: link |
| TheAdmiester 18.06.2016 13:24 |
Thanks. |
| PiotreQ 18.06.2016 13:51 |
Thanks for this all-in-one version, cmi :-) Nice work! |