| cmi 18.02.2015 02:18 |
Possibly it will be interesting for QUEEN die-hards... We all know that I WANT IT ALL song has several released different versions/edits: 1. Album version - 4.41 2. Single version - 4.01 3. Preliminary mix - 1989 Capitol 'rough mixes' casette/1991 HR remaster - 4:39/4:32 4. 'Rocks' single/album hybrid - 4:30 5. Single version karaoke instrumental - 4.01 6. 'The Eye' semi-instrumental - 4.42 7. 'The Eye' instrumental - 4.56 - unfortunately in MONO (last track on 'The eYe' CD1) 8. 5.1 mix of single version 9. 'Rockband' multitrack stems of the single mix As we can see, #7 is the longest length of the track. a) After about 17 years from 'the eYe' release, I just noticed that this guitar intro actually is not 'looped' twice fragment, as all reference sites describe it, but actually a complete recording of the intro which was edited in half for the final album version. If you will closely listen to the intro/first kick drum transition of the album version, you'll find there a noticeable edit. There's an adrupt cut of synths and cymbals sound. And if you will listen to the instrumental from 'The Eye', you'll notice that guitar part is unique and not repeated same fragment. Also there's no any 'cut' feeling before first kick drum. Another proof of the long original intro of the song is the instrumental unfinished version leaked in the beginning of 2000's. b) Second edit of the recorded version is the early fade out at the end of the song. If you will listen closely to 'the eYe' full instrumental (in MONO) you'll notice longer outro with some additional guitar sounds but unfortunately with adrupt cut. The only known version with complete outro is the Preliminary mix with its first appearance on the 1989 Capitol 'rough mixes' cassette. The same mix was used on 1991 Hollywood Records reissue but unfortunately this long outro was edited out with early fadeout there. c) Preliminary mix features 'yeah yeah' vocal ad lib in the last chorus (vocals/drums part) which was later removed from the final mix and used to create single version intro. In total the running time of full length version of this track is 5:00. So the album version of the track omits 20 seconds of original recording! Full length version with original 'yeah yeah' ad lib in place now can only be compiled using at least four versions above, one of which is in MONO and another one is from cassette tape source. I think I will create the merge in the nearest future. So check out this space... |
| Estranged 18.02.2015 09:48 |
That's really fascinating, thanks for posting! |
| thomasquinn 32989 18.02.2015 10:43 |
Whoa! Great catch! I'm checking my copy of The eYe out tonight, I can tell you that! |
| Chief Mouse 18.02.2015 11:30 |
Good info! Thanks. Looking forward to your merge version! |
| brunogorski 18.02.2015 13:42 |
Great! |
| Rami 18.02.2015 14:47 |
interesting, thanks! |
| DJGreg 18.02.2015 15:48 |
cmi wrote: Possibly it will be interesting for QUEEN die-hards... We all know that I WANT IT ALL song has several released different versions/edits: 1. Album version - 4.41 2. Single version - 4.01 3. Preliminary mix - Capitol promo casette/1991 HR remaster CD - 4:39/4:32 4. 'Rocks' single/album hybrid - 4:30 5. Single version karaoke instrumental - 4.01 6. 'The Eye' semi-instrumental - 4.42 7. 'The Eye' instrumental - 4.56 - unfortunately in MONO (last track on 'The eYe' CD1)You've forgot about the instrumental demo with the full-length intro. |
| TheAdmiester 18.02.2015 16:06 |
Hey guys, I've made my own version of what I think this full version would be like. I've used the version from The eYe, the multitracks for the "yeah yeah" and "oooh, ha" parts, and the album version from where the version from The eYe is identical. I'm not sure if the original poster wanted to post his version first, so do you guys think I should post mine? EDIT: I'm just going to go ahead and post it anyway. The OP's version is likely better, but this one works well to satisfy your curiosity in case you're wondering what it'd sound like as a full extended verison. https://soundcloud.com/theadmiester/iwia |
| Ale Solan 18.02.2015 16:46 |
TheAdmiester wrote: Hey guys, I've made my own version of what I think this full version would be like. I've used the version from The eYe, the multitracks for the "yeah yeah" and "oooh, ha" parts, and the album version from where the version from The eYe is identical. I'm not sure if the original poster wanted to post his version first, so do you guys think I should post mine? EDIT: I'm just going to go ahead and post it anyway. The OP's version is likely better, but this one works well to satisfy your curiosity in case you're wondering what it'd sound like as a full extended verison. https://soundcloud.com/theadmiester/iwiaNice work, you've could have left the intro in mono and the rest in stereo, there are songs that worked pretty good that way ;) |
| BETA215 18.02.2015 16:56 |
Like Ale said, it's better to keep the songs in the best quality available rather than ruin them. |
| TheAdmiester 18.02.2015 17:21 |
Ale Solan wrote:I was going to do that at first, but since there would've been a noticeable switch at the end (where the eYe version has a longer fade out) I decided not to do it. I could've done it if only the intro was different, because there are a few brief bits of silence where I can switch tracks, but not on the outro as it's a continuous noise.TheAdmiester wrote: Hey guys, I've made my own version of what I think this full version would be like. I've used the version from The eYe, the multitracks for the "yeah yeah" and "oooh, ha" parts, and the album version from where the version from The eYe is identical. I'm not sure if the original poster wanted to post his version first, so do you guys think I should post mine? EDIT: I'm just going to go ahead and post it anyway. The OP's version is likely better, but this one works well to satisfy your curiosity in case you're wondering what it'd sound like as a full extended verison. https://soundcloud.com/theadmiester/iwiaNice work, you've could have left the intro in mono and the rest in stereo, there are songs that worked pretty good that way ;) |
| LucasDiego 18.02.2015 17:40 |
Amazing discover!!! |
| Mr.QueenFan 18.02.2015 18:12 |
Great post cmi! Thanks for the detailed info, i wasn't aware of this. |
| Mr.QueenFan 18.02.2015 18:13 |
TheAdmiester wrote: EDIT: I'm just going to go ahead and post it anyway. The OP's version is likely better, but this one works well to satisfy your curiosity in case you're wondering what it'd sound like as a full extended verison. https://soundcloud.com/theadmiester/iwiaI enjoyed this new version. Thanks for making that and share it with us. I could easily listen to a 10 min version of this song. Such a great track! |
| MadTheSwine73 18.02.2015 21:32 |
This is going to be great. Can't wait! |
| cmi 19.02.2015 04:31 |
DJGreg wrote: You've forgot about the instrumental demo with the full-length intro. Yes, I forgot about it as I listened to it about ten years ago last time. It needs to be refreshed in my mind.:) And so this version is another proof of the long intro. |
| Wilki Amieva 19.02.2015 09:55 |
Just to clarify: The 'preliminary master' (or 'definitive master' ...according to Hollywood Records) from the 1991 US '20 Years Reign' remastered CD is not the same version as the 'rough mix' from the 1989 US Capitol promo cassette tape. |
| cmi 19.02.2015 10:22 |
Wilki Amieva wrote: Just to clarify: The 'preliminary master' (or 'definitive master' ...according to Hollywood Records) from the 1991 US '20 Years Reign' remastered CD is not the same version as the 'rough mix' from the 1989 US Capitol promo cassette tape. And which is the difference in these two versions from your point of view? I hear only earlier fadeout on HR version. BTW, I found that 1989 Capitol promo / 1991 HR version features 'edited' first chorus line (i want it all / i want it all / i want it all / i want it now) which is a combination of both halves of first chorus of the album version. Double tracked lead vocals from the first half combined with the backing track of the second half. |
| Ale Solan 19.02.2015 12:06 |
cmi wrote:the HR version has an erroneous mixWilki Amieva wrote: Just to clarify: The 'preliminary master' (or 'definitive master' ...according to Hollywood Records) from the 1991 US '20 Years Reign' remastered CD is not the same version as the 'rough mix' from the 1989 US Capitol promo cassette tape.And which is the difference in these two versions from your point of view? I hear only earlier fadeout on HR version. BTW, I found that 1991 HR version features 'edited' first chorus line (i want it all / i want it all / i want it all / i want it now) which is a combination of both halves of first chorus of the album version. Double tracked lead vocals from the first half combined with the backing track of the second half. https://mega.co.nz/#!204mHSLD!1oj8gHjTw3u8RNBCbl3_G9RQpf9qImC1TeftLsISWbs |
| TheAdmiester 20.02.2015 16:27 |
^ Thanks for that, I've been curious as to how the HR version sounded for ages, but could never find it. Does anyone have the 1989 Preliminary mix that the OP is talking about? As you might've noticed the version I made has the abrupt cut at the ending. If someone can find this version for me then I can make the proper full version work. I'll have all applicable parts in stereo this time, too. |
| Ale Solan 20.02.2015 20:35 |
TheAdmiester wrote: ^ Thanks for that, I've been curious as to how the HR version sounded for ages, but could never find it. Does anyone have the 1989 Preliminary mix that the OP is talking about? As you might've noticed the version I made has the abrupt cut at the ending. If someone can find this version for me then I can make the proper full version work. I'll have all applicable parts in stereo this time, too.Right here (running time: 1 minute 25 seconds) https://mega.co.nz/#!TtZERJIC!M1-h4BkiaK8nK6TuS27z93eQ2KxNbwB994M2tlxFQ10 |
| TheAdmiester 20.02.2015 20:37 |
Ale Solan wrote:Thanks, but that seems to just be the common demo that's floating around Youtube (you also seem to be quick on the trigger with these rare-r recordings, any collections from The Miracle/Innuendo?). The one from the OP is the full song judging by the runtime they mentioned:TheAdmiester wrote: ^ Thanks for that, I've been curious as to how the HR version sounded for ages, but could never find it. Does anyone have the 1989 Preliminary mix that the OP is talking about? As you might've noticed the version I made has the abrupt cut at the ending. If someone can find this version for me then I can make the proper full version work. I'll have all applicable parts in stereo this time, too.Right here (running time: 1 minute 25 seconds) https://mega.co.nz/#!TtZERJIC!M1-h4BkiaK8nK6TuS27z93eQ2KxNbwB994M2tlxFQ10 "Preliminary mix - Capitol promo casette/1991 HR remaster CD - 4:39/4:32" The Preliminary mix being the longer one, 4:39. I can't find it just by searching for it so it either goes by another name or is quite rare. |
| Ale Solan 20.02.2015 20:44 |
TheAdmiester wrote:There is no prelimimary / rough mix with that length, that's an honest mistake. Just a confussion with the HR remaster.Ale Solan wrote:Thanks, but that seems to just be the common demo that's floating around Youtube (you also seem to be quick on the trigger with these rare-r recordings, any collections from The Miracle/Innuendo?). The one from the OP is the full song judging by the runtime they mentioned: "Preliminary mix - Capitol promo casette/1991 HR remaster CD - 4:39/4:32" The Preliminary mix being the longer one, 4:39. I can't find it just by searching for it so it either goes by another name or is quite rare.TheAdmiester wrote: ^ Thanks for that, I've been curious as to how the HR version sounded for ages, but could never find it. Does anyone have the 1989 Preliminary mix that the OP is talking about? As you might've noticed the version I made has the abrupt cut at the ending. If someone can find this version for me then I can make the proper full version work. I'll have all applicable parts in stereo this time, too.Right here (running time: 1 minute 25 seconds) https://mega.co.nz/#!TtZERJIC!M1-h4BkiaK8nK6TuS27z93eQ2KxNbwB994M2tlxFQ10 |
| TheAdmiester 20.02.2015 21:30 |
Ale Solan wrote:The OP also describes the 1989 and 1991 versions as separate things though:TheAdmiester wrote:There is no prelimimary / rough mix with that length, that's an honest mistake. Just a confussion with the HR remaster.Ale Solan wrote:Thanks, but that seems to just be the common demo that's floating around Youtube (you also seem to be quick on the trigger with these rare-r recordings, any collections from The Miracle/Innuendo?). The one from the OP is the full song judging by the runtime they mentioned: "Preliminary mix - Capitol promo casette/1991 HR remaster CD - 4:39/4:32" The Preliminary mix being the longer one, 4:39. I can't find it just by searching for it so it either goes by another name or is quite rare.TheAdmiester wrote: ^ Thanks for that, I've been curious as to how the HR version sounded for ages, but could never find it. Does anyone have the 1989 Preliminary mix that the OP is talking about? As you might've noticed the version I made has the abrupt cut at the ending. If someone can find this version for me then I can make the proper full version work. I'll have all applicable parts in stereo this time, too.Right here (running time: 1 minute 25 seconds) https://mega.co.nz/#!TtZERJIC!M1-h4BkiaK8nK6TuS27z93eQ2KxNbwB994M2tlxFQ10 "There's no cut in the outro of Preliminary mix whith its first appearance on the promo 1989 Capitol cassette. Unfortunately this long outro was edited out with early fadeout on 1991 Hollywood Records remaster. " The 1991 version (the one you posted last page) does indeed fade out "normally" (read: early), but they said that the Preliminary version has an extended outro, but the demo doesn't have an outro because it ends just before the solo. |
| Ale Solan 20.02.2015 21:42 |
Oh, I missed that part, well in that case, I don't have the full rough mix. |
| TheAdmiester 20.02.2015 21:42 |
Hopefully someone does, it'll be interesting to hear the difference and merge it with the rest. I already love how "electric" sounding the keyboards are when the song fades out, so having a bit more of that will be awesome. |
| Battler 21.02.2015 14:31 |
If you listen to the demo, you will notice the part of the intro with guitars and drums is longer too. Edit: I think the original intention for that (drums+guitars) part of the intro could have been something like how it was done on the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert - first with just the back guitars, then with the front guitar added. |
| cmi 27.02.2015 05:43 |
Here's my attempt to restore the original full length version of this song: I WANT IT ALL Written by Queen Produced by Queen and David Richards Running time - 5:00 2015 CMI Music Merge sources: 1) album version (1st press UK CD) - bulk of the track 2) 'The eYe' mono instrumental mix - edited intro segment 3) 'Rockband' stem for 'yeah yeah' ad lib 4) 'The eYe' semi-instrumental mix - first part of the outro 5) Preliminary mix (Capitol 'rough mixes' cassette) - final seconds of the outo http://www.queenconcerts.com/queenzone/1423771.html |
| Ale Solan 28.02.2015 08:21 |
Amazing edit cmi ! Cheers, mate, wonderful job ;) |
| Battler 01.03.2015 20:25 |
- cmi: I'd recommend using parts of the demo for the intro too, the intro there is even longer than on The Eye version. |
| musicland munich 02.03.2015 00:04 |
Yep, the extra synth in the intro isn't my cup of tea, but all in all a good job, the yeah stuff fits very well in my opinion. |