QueenZone discussion #1419262

tero! 48531 wrote:I hope somebody will stick this to the top of the forum.

tempusfugit wrote: Newcastle City Hall December 11th 1975, i used to have this on a C120 cassette,lost in first divorce....How i miss the tape.

tempusfugit wrote: Newcastle City Hall December 11th 1975, i used to have this on a C120 cassette,lost in first divorce....How i miss the tape.

Voice of Reason 2014 wrote: Soundboard recordings from Savoy Theatre, Limerick, 1973.

tero! 48531 wrote: You are of course free to joke as much as you want, but this is a serious topic to the traders. They've invested a lot of money and creative effort into these performances, and it wouldn't be fair if somebody else got to reap the rewards from all their hard work. Why have a 15 page argument afterwards, when you could just censor the unwanted sharing before it happens?

TRS-Romania wrote: Let me answer with a serious response: 1. Under Pressure (demo, instrumental, with alternate guitar recording by Brian) 2. Killer Queen (demo, alternate lyrics 2nd verse, guitar solo not present on this version) 3. Who Wants to Live forever (piano demo track by Brian, with alternate lyrics sung by Brian, no other instruments) 4. Hijack My Heart (with incomplete Freddie vocal demo, lots of la-la-la's) 5. Let Me Live (basic demo, drum machine, synth bas, piano, no vocal) 6. Mother Love (alternate vocal takes from Freddie that didn't make it to the final version) 7. Sleeping on the Sidewalk (Freddie version one verse only - unfinished and alternate lyrics, incomplete demo) 8. My Fairy King (alternate lyrics, demo version, different drum track) 9. The Miracle (unfinished demo, only first 2 verses with Freddie improvising) 10. Love Kills (Queen version, totally different from the 2014 version, different instruments, different type of tempo) Need to know more?

TRS-Romania wrote: 1. Under Pressure (demo, instrumental, with alternate guitar recording by Brian) 2. Killer Queen (demo, alternate lyrics 2nd verse, guitar solo not present on this version) 3. Who Wants to Live forever (piano demo track by Brian, with alternate lyrics sung by Brian, no other instruments) 4. Hijack My Heart (with incomplete Freddie vocal demo, lots of la-la-la's) 5. Let Me Live (basic demo, drum machine, synth bas, piano, no vocal) 6. Mother Love (alternate vocal takes from Freddie that didn't make it to the final version) 7. Sleeping on the Sidewalk (Freddie version one verse only - unfinished and alternate lyrics, incomplete demo) 8. My Fairy King (alternate lyrics, demo version, different drum track) 9. The Miracle (unfinished demo, only first 2 verses with Freddie improvising) 10. Love Kills (Queen version, totally different from the 2014 version, different instruments, different type of tempo)

tempusfugit wrote: Was it the master cassette? If not, then that should mean there's another copy out there. It was a copy from the master which was recorded on a reel to reel tape up in the projection room at the very back upstairs of the hall. By a guy called Moose who taped a few bands that played there,i had Wings and ahem, Glen Campbell (for my mam honest) my mate sometimes worked there and imagine my surprise when he gave me a cassette a week later. Maybe i should join Faceache,sorry Facebook and search him.

tempusfugit wrote: Was it the master cassette? If not, then that should mean there's another copy out there. It was a copy from the master which was recorded on a reel to reel tape up in the projection room at the very back upstairs of the hall. By a guy called Moose who taped a few bands that played there,i had Wings and ahem, Glen Campbell (for my mam honest) my mate sometimes worked there and imagine my surprise when he gave me a cassette a week later. Maybe i should join Faceache,sorry Facebook and search him.

Double-U wrote:

tempusfugit wrote: Was it the master cassette? If not, then that should mean there's another copy out there. It was a copy from the master which was recorded on a reel to reel tape up in the projection room at the very back upstairs of the hall. By a guy called Moose who taped a few bands that played there,i had Wings and ahem, Glen Campbell (for my mam honest) my mate sometimes worked there and imagine my surprise when he gave me a cassette a week later. Maybe i should join Faceache,sorry Facebook and search him.

He's the same guy who recorded Queen in Newcastle one year later, isn't he? regards, W.

The Real Wizard wrote:

TRS-Romania wrote: 1. Under Pressure (demo, instrumental, with alternate guitar recording by Brian) 2. Killer Queen (demo, alternate lyrics 2nd verse, guitar solo not present on this version) 3. Who Wants to Live forever (piano demo track by Brian, with alternate lyrics sung by Brian, no other instruments) 4. Hijack My Heart (with incomplete Freddie vocal demo, lots of la-la-la's) 5. Let Me Live (basic demo, drum machine, synth bas, piano, no vocal) 6. Mother Love (alternate vocal takes from Freddie that didn't make it to the final version) 7. Sleeping on the Sidewalk (Freddie version one verse only - unfinished and alternate lyrics, incomplete demo) 8. My Fairy King (alternate lyrics, demo version, different drum track) 9. The Miracle (unfinished demo, only first 2 verses with Freddie improvising) 10. Love Kills (Queen version, totally different from the 2014 version, different instruments, different type of tempo)

Do you have these?

tero! 48531 wrote: Since there are no entries from the traders, everyone is free to share anything. Right??

BETA215 wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote: Since there are no entries from the traders, everyone is free to share anything. Right??

Except otherwise indicated by the trader with who you do the trade.

The Real Wizard wrote: ^ dude, give it up. You're becoming like Panchgani now, repeating the same old mantra. We get it. Be the change you wish to see in the world. If you don't like the way it is, then get off your soapbox and actually spend your time building relationships with people and accumulating new things. And then share them here.

BETA215 wrote: tero!, why your name has numbers at the end? You put them?

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: ^ dude, give it up. You're becoming like Panchgani now, repeating the same old mantra. We get it. Be the change you wish to see in the world. If you don't like the way it is, then get off your soapbox and actually spend your time building relationships with people and accumulating new things. And then share them here.

Do you get it, or are you just tired when somebody actually disagrees with the traders? I have no desire to get involved in the trading circles after seeing what kind of person I would have to be, but no-one's stopping you from trading. Just don't try to enforce your code of "honour among the thieves" onto QZ and everything will be fine.

The Real Wizard wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: ^ dude, give it up. You're becoming like Panchgani now, repeating the same old mantra. We get it. Be the change you wish to see in the world. If you don't like the way it is, then get off your soapbox and actually spend your time building relationships with people and accumulating new things. And then share them here.

Do you get it, or are you just tired when somebody actually disagrees with the traders? I have no desire to get involved in the trading circles after seeing what kind of person I would have to be, but no-one's stopping you from trading. Just don't try to enforce your code of "honour among the thieves" onto QZ and everything will be fine.

I am responsible for over 100 new recordings ending up on Queenzone. You are responsible for zero. You talk quite the talk for someone who has done absolutely nothing to contribute to the well being of this place and online music collecting in general. You are merely caught in your illusions of what you think music collecting is. This thread and everything you post on this matter is but noise. I await your cheerful reply.

BETA215 wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: ^ dude, give it up. You're becoming like Panchgani now, repeating the same old mantra. We get it. Be the change you wish to see in the world. If you don't like the way it is, then get off your soapbox and actually spend your time building relationships with people and accumulating new things. And then share them here.

Do you get it, or are you just tired when somebody actually disagrees with the traders? I have no desire to get involved in the trading circles after seeing what kind of person I would have to be, but no-one's stopping you from trading. Just don't try to enforce your code of "honour among the thieves" onto QZ and everything will be fine.

The Real Wizard wrote: I am responsible for over 100 new recordings ending up on Queenzone. You are responsible for zero. You talk quite the talk for someone who has done absolutely nothing to contribute to the well being of this place and online music collecting in general. You are merely caught in your illusions of what you think music collecting is. This thread and everything you post on this matter is but noise. I await your cheerful reply.

tero! 48531 wrote: To you QZ is only the "Sharing The Music - Announce" section (and posting concerts when they've lost their value in the trading circles).

If you have this same level of contempt for any poster who doesn't share concerts of QZ, there's no way you can enjoy this site.

tero! 48531 wrote: This is your biggest problem. To you QZ is only the "Sharing The Music - Announce" section (and posting concerts when they've lost their value in the trading circles). Everything else is worth zero, and everyone else is worth zero. It doesn't matter how much you participate in the actual conversation, or how much effort you put into constructing logical arguments. The only thing that matters is how many shows you can share. I actually I feel sorry for you. If you have this same level of contempt for any poster who doesn't share concerts of QZ, there's no way you can enjoy this site.

Thistleboy1980 wrote: Nah, I know Bob too and I'm not in the trading circle.

Thistleboy1980 wrote: Nah, I know Bob too and I'm not in the trading circle. there's a few gems he's "held back"

The Real Wizard wrote: I have contempt for people who don't contribute *and openly slander those who do*, and pretend to be experts in something they're not. See the difference?

The Real Wizard wrote: All you know about music collecting is a few cherry picked tidbits you've read about on this site.

tero! 48531 wrote: The trading model worked perfectly before the age of internet when everything had to be physically sent. Now your just trying to eat your cake and have it too: to continue trading as if nothing has changed, and at the same time share whatever material YOU choose to be shared.

The Real Wizard wrote: Once again - ignorance masquerading as understanding. Word to the wise from someone with decades of experience to another who has zero - you have added nothing to the dialogue. Just noise. I've invited you to get involved so you can learn. But then you'd have to give up your baseless drivel and droning on and on about things you know nothing about, and we can't have that. What would the announce forum be without people who condemn those who enable this section of the forum to exist in the first place? You're not as smart as you think you are. Good luck with that.

tcc wrote:You have said that you do not download anything here. Why then are you so worked up about the trading and sharing of things here ?

tcc wrote: It is like heads you win, tails they lose.

inu-liger wrote:

tcc wrote:You have said that you do not download anything here. Why then are you so worked up about the trading and sharing of things here ?

For want of a better assumption, he probably just wants something he can lazily latch on to and BAM become a hero for...well, some sort of folk out there.

tero! 48531 wrote: The reality is actually pretty much the exact opposite

I pointed out that the entire definition of being a trader is trading the material, not giving it away.

This is a 100% truthful portrayal of traders, and it's only fair that it should be pointed out when they start publicly posting about the noble purposes, or trying to discredit other people for doing the same exact things they are doing themselves.

Marknow wrote: If anybody is uploading anything for personal fame or hero status then they are barking up the wrong tree. Can anybody name the guy who shared his Boston '76 recording? some can, but not many. Whoever uploads anything here is no hero in any sense of the word neither is the person who may have sourced that recording. The only hero, if any in the equation is the taper, the person who was there and took the time to archive and distribute the recording. Anybody else in the chain is just a drone, a worker bee. I know many people who have shared their own recordings here and imho these are the people we should be grateful too, not some middleman who shelled out a few quid or acquired the recording thru trading etc. Take the recent Sheffield upload for example, I am eternally grateful that Brians Wig sourced this recording and got it out but he is not a hero, I doubt very much he considers himself a hero, in fact I know he does not , the person who sat there with a recorder 41 years ago, a hero he just might be... I really do wish when somebody shares material that they could say this was recorded by xxx you can contact them here xxx to say thanks. Thats the way it should be. (end rant)

The Real Wizard wrote: I won't even bring up the conundrum of what happens when the taper themselves is the hoarder. Who's the hero then if the tape gets out? But we wouldn't want to advance beyond binary thinking and have a real discussion or anything.

Marknow wrote: I fully consider myself to be no more than a worker bee too btw. Though of no significant value as an individual the little I and others do does contribute to the greater good of the hive. For me there is great personal joy in getting material out when I can, I certainly would not step on any toes in the process. I like to think I contribute when I can but I do nothing unique, for me there is a great joy in sharing material, to see others enjoy it, to have it discussed and even criticised. To archive it for public consumption. I'm genuinely passionate about getting as much out as possible. I know it's corny but it is all about those four guys on the stage, nothing more. The music deserves to be archived.

Marknow wrote: I think calling somebody a hoarder is a very nasty thing to do under any circumstance. Any individual does not hold onto a recording just for the sake of it. Whomever records material should not be vilified for not wanting to share it.

The Real Wizard wrote:

tero! 48531 wrote:I pointed out that the entire definition of being a trader is trading the material, not giving it away.

Which is incorrect. You are simplifying and using an ad hominem to further your own agenda.

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tero! 48531 wrote: how many are are shared when they still have potential for several trades?

Shane Jazz wrote: Years ago, when I was purchasing a bootleg copy of Opera Omnia on four cassettes (remember that magnum opus?), the gentleman who sent it to me emailed me asking if I was interested in paying something like $100-150 for a cassette that included- -Let Me Out- instrumental Queen version from '78 (so I assumed from the Jazz sessions) -soundcheck audio of Queen playing Innuendo (not The Show Must Go On) at rehearsals for Ballet for Life (no Elton on vocals, if I recall) - Cool Cat with Bowie on background vocals (which has since been leaked) - longer demo version of Brian on vocals on The Hitman (something like four and a half minutes, the notes said) - something from the Time musical that purported to be rare. Cannot remember if it was In My Defense or Time, the song. (forgive me, it's been almost 17 years) - State of Shock with Freddie and MJ (since leaked) - Don't Lose Your Head demo with Joan A. and Roger on vocals. (at the time I hated the song, so I shrugged it off. Now I would love to hear it!) - demo of Brian singing Talking of Love (at the time I had absolutely no idea what that was. I figured it was a solo song) - Self Made Man and one other common known demo. Cannot remember if it was Robbery or Self Made Man but, back in 1996/97, it was totally unheard of. -and a few other things which I sadly don't remember. Being that I was an extremely poor college student, there was sadly no way I could have purchased a copy of these songs. (I could barely afford the $40 or so for Opera Omnia) I have no clue if most of the songs/demos he was claiming to have were authentic, but since a few of them have subsequently leaked, I hold out great hope that the rest (especially a Jazz era demo of Let Me Out) are also genuine.

BETA215 wrote: If I were you, I would have asked to my parents if they can give me some money I need, and later with the profit of selling a cassette copy give them the money. But that's me.

Shane Jazz wrote: -soundcheck audio of Queen playing Innuendo (not The Show Must Go On) at rehearsals for Ballet for Life (no Elton on vocals, if I recall)

The Real Wizard wrote: Dude, that's the entire point of trading for rarities. Your method completely defeats the purpose, which is precisely why other people engage in this activity instead of you. But I'll hold your hand one last time: If you have one thing, you hang onto it so you can get a second thing. Eventually you can share the first thing, and the second thing can be used to get a third thing, and so on. But if you post your first thing immediately after acquiring it you're back to square one. Instant gratification now, but you're shooting yourself (and ultimately everyone) in the foot because you used your free spin too soon. Does this compute whatsoever? Or do you still think you're the expert?

tero! 48531 wrote: Like I've said all along, the traders don't want to SHARE their recordings, they want to trade them. As long as possible. I've understood that perfectly all along, while you've been trying to spin it around, claiming that the traders have higher moral standards and their wishes of not sharing should be respected because of that.

The Real Wizard wrote:

Indeed, this place is becoming Fanthologyzone. Nothing new is being created or shared these days - not a single post in weeks !   ... Most traders are benevolent and generous people most of the time, except when something "unapproved" gets leaked every two years or so.   It is then when many traders use strong arm tactics to demonize the leaker, discourge the sharing of the leaked material, marginalize the few non-traders that offer their "unsolicited" opinions, as well refrain from additional sharing and blame it on the ignorant non-trading leeches.

Panchgani wrote:

... Most traders are benevolent and generous people most of the time, except when something "unapproved" gets leaked every two years or so.   It is then when many traders use strong arm tactics to demonize the leaker, discourge the sharing of the leaked material, marginalize the few non-traders that offer their "unsolicited" opinions, as well refrain from additional sharing and blame it on the ignorant non-trading leeches.

Panchgani wrote: Sir Lordship: It is about the Jeckyll & Hyde personality of some collectors. QZ could be purring along for years with collectors generously sharing, but when something is "illicitly" shared, the claws come out, many collectors become vicious and vindictive toward the leaker, and punish everyone by refusing to share anything "new". Some collectors go into control freak mode, throw their toys out of their pram, and punish everyone by refusing to share anything "new". A few collectors even seem to believe that they own QZ, try to overbearingly attempt to impose their "Sharia Law", and even issue demands and intimidation toward Richard and Barbara.

The Real Wizard wrote: Because you wouldn't just sit there on your soapbox complaining about something you know nothing about without an actual plan of doing something about it, would you?

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: Because you wouldn't just sit there on your soapbox complaining about something you know nothing about without an actual plan of doing something about it, would you?

My "plan" is to stop you (ie. the traders) from completely dominating this message board with your warped sense of morality. I AM doing something about it, before it's too late. You only see it as complaining on a soapbox because it's conflicting with your own interests. The simple fact is that every time you trade (with a relatively unknown person), there's a risk of your material spreading to the wrong people. Instead of coping with your own choices, you are outsourcing your risk management to QZ. You want somebody else to remove the material which YOU shared too many times, and try to disguise that as your "morality" and "generosity" of sharing.

tero! 48531 wrote:

The Real Wizard wrote: Because you wouldn't just sit there on your soapbox complaining about something you know nothing about without an actual plan of doing something about it, would you?

My "plan" is to stop you (ie. the traders) from completely dominating this message board with your warped sense of morality. I AM doing something about it, before it's too late. You only see it as complaining on a soapbox because it's conflicting with your own interests. The simple fact is that every time you trade (with a relatively unknown person), there's a risk of your material spreading to the wrong people. Instead of coping with your own choices, you are outsourcing your risk management to QZ. You want somebody else to remove the material which YOU shared too many times, and try to disguise that as your "morality" and "generosity" of sharing.

pestgrid wrote: Okay I can now place on here items I have collected, grabbed, traded, found or otherwise obtained and hoarded over the past ten years... I have hundreds of items all neatly sorted, but for now I will just put out the top ten of which I BELIEVE are the best in terms of quality and fullness. Not in any particular order here: 1. Keep Yourself Alive Early Ideas (demo, freddie riffing lyrics recording by Brian) 2. Stone Cold Crazy Origins ( Stone Cold Crazy Queen II version) 3. A Winter's Tale (as it was recorded by Freddie take final, first mix by Roger and John, with Brian's final Guitar overlay) 4. Under Pressure Evolution Medley (from jam to single, begins with 1990 radio intro before Bowie starts talking) 5. now im here (early alternate Johns guitar Version cut off backing vocals) 6. Stone Cold Crazy (3 different Alternate early Mixes) 7. People of the Earth (Freddie version The Prophets Song - unfinished incomplete demo) 8. You Never Had a Heart (a.k.a Death on Two Legs demo from sheer heart attack sessions) 9. 12 A Day At The Races Unused Session (outtakes and unused takes and cuts from various studios and sessions 25mins) 10. Tie your mother down (roger taylor version with Red Special) plus many more that cover all the albums...........