QueenZone discussion #1405036
Freddie never seem to pay much attention to John on stage?
| Mr.Mouth 30.10.2014 10:25 |
Not as much to Roger or Brian,but its real interesting ,what do you all think? |
| bucsateflon 30.10.2014 11:25 |
Interesting, I noticed also that there's no stage interaction between Brian and John at all. And little interaction between Brian and Freddie. In comparison with other 80's live rock bands they were ice cold. |
| emrabt 30.10.2014 11:50 |
I get the feeling he didn't really like much physical contact / pratting about. |
| brENsKi 30.10.2014 12:04 |
he didn't want to make them jealous of each other - esp when he was Roger's bitch |
| SweetCaroline 30.10.2014 12:08 |
brENsKi wrote: he didn't want to make them jealous of each other - esp when he was Roger's bitchWhat????? |
| Karfan 30.10.2014 12:41 |
What I understand (that's what I've noticed anyway) is that John simply didn't like/want to be in the center of attention(Duh?).So whenever Freddie or Brian tried to interact with him he simply preferred to ''escape'' so to speak...You can see on many live videos that as soon as Freddie is around him (Budapest - Tutti Frutti for example) he immediately steps back.Freddie knew about this obviously,hence-the ''lack'' of interaction.But Freddie tried on many occasions...Actually,when I was watching Rainbow,I was amazed how different John was back then.He looked really confident,he interacted with Freddie(like during the encore -Jailhouse Rock),the way he moved on stage,pouting(Liar). Really cool.At some point he decided(?) that he prefers to be less visible I guess.He changed again during the last two tours,in my opinion anyway... |
| anniestu44b 30.10.2014 12:46 |
What utter Bollocks |
| Karfan 30.10.2014 12:51 |
What is? |
| master marathon runner 30.10.2014 13:03 |
What a pile of owld crap. |
| Rick 30.10.2014 14:59 |
Wembley is, like Rainbow, another exception. John moved, danced, clapped along, 'sang' many songs. |
| Zamidoo 30.10.2014 16:00 |
I thought they all interacted with each other; perhaps John and Brian less so because of generally being on opposite sides of the stage, but Freddie seemed to interact with all the others, and John was quite often near Roger; facing him, dancing close to the drum kit (how exactly are you supposed to interact with a drummer besides standing next to them?) It's natural for the lead singer to interact more closely with the lead guitarist if they're swapping and dove-tailing melodic lines, and natural for the bass and drums to feed off each other for the beat... I always thought that Freddie and John had an exceptionally good rapport on stage. |
| mooghead 30.10.2014 16:28 |
I disagree with this thread. After Freddie John was the most physically active member, Freddie probably paid less attention to Brian to be fair... |
| liam 30.10.2014 18:29 |
John went through a few stages. Early on, he was much more involved; as seen on the rainbow. Moved around, sang more, changed stage positions and sang into Freddie's mic during Liar. From about ADATR until the Hot Space tour his stage presence changed. Took on that uninterested look, very little movement and mainly stood on the drum rise. During the Works and Magic tours he seemed to be a lot more into it and moving around again. |
| Costa86 30.10.2014 23:10 |
Can't say I agree. Freddie was always the most interactive member, running around, making a fake guitar out of his mic stand, and sometimes rocking next to Brian. John obviously was generally a little more wooden, but that's his character. If he were a colour, he would be grey with tinges of pink (pink being his flair for writing a few mega-hits). Freddie would be shocking yellow, of course. |
| gerry 31.10.2014 10:44 |
John was john at the end of the day, He played bass in a rock group, but he left the limelight for Freddie and Brian. I think each member of the band just got on what they had to do, concentrating on sounding great. They all blended in with each other beautifully in my opinions! Freddie & John together in the video for Bo Rhap was great! |
| Rick 31.10.2014 12:22 |
That's why they sacked one of the earlier bassists, right? Because he was too present :-) |
| gerry 31.10.2014 12:47 |
Absolutely let freddie and Brian command the stage! |
| Mr.Mouth 31.10.2014 13:05 |
Interesting,but skills of John were of this planet in that era when he aproached to Queen. Only fools would show him the doors! |
| gerry 31.10.2014 13:15 |
Yeah John always looked the perfect piece of the jigsaw and fitted Queen like hand in glove He Made the group complete and i am pleased no one else was picked. Respect to John.. |
| Nitroboy 31.10.2014 15:06 |
I would say John moved around a lot more in the '80s compared to the '70s. On stuff like the Milton Keynes '82 concert, Wembley '86, Budapest etc. he's pretty much always dancing or moving around. |
| Stelios 31.10.2014 16:55 |
I think Freddie's "larger than life" stage persona( when seen from the audionce prespective) , could be somewhat overbearing to closer incouteres. Brian occasionally participates but you can see he is always the first to retreat. Roger interacts more, but he is always safe behind the drums. Also there was this OTHER thing, Freddie's homoerotic energy, sometimes campness, sometimes the "completely humming it up" attitude, that could make his fellow (straight) bandmates a bit uncomftarble . |
| mooghead 31.10.2014 16:59 |
gerry wrote: Absolutely let freddie and Brian command the stage!How did Brian command the stage? Apart from when he is doing one of his solos he just walked backwards a few steps.... then forward a few steps. John was bopping around like a banshee. |
| Costa86 31.10.2014 18:39 |
Brian didn't command the stage. All three backing groupists acknowledged that Freddie was the fucking alpha male. Come on. |
| horse feathers 31.10.2014 21:47 |
I was fortunate enough to see Queen 6 times in all, Elland Road, the best ever. The Queenworks tour (which was the tours name) I went to all 4 that they booked initially, then they added 2 more, I think. I also went to Manchester 86, which was dreadful IMO. The 84 shows, I went to the first two, Friday and Saturday at Birmingham, then two at Wembley Arena. After the first show on the Friday night, there was reviews in the papers, which were unbelievable. First of all they said, in fact it was Simon Bates a radio 1 presenter, Freddie had forgotten the words to Love of my life and I want to break free and the fans had to sing those parts for him. So he obviously wasn't a Queen fan. Also many people mentione that John did nothing on stage apart from play bass and simply just stand there. This was also mentioned on the 86 tour. The following night at Birmingham and the Wembley shows, in 84, John went over the top, with his hand playing gestures and moved about a lot more. Also and i have said this before, the 84 shows were the best shows I ever saw. Forget the drum sound, the bootlegs are not as it sounded on the night. Obviously, because of the recordings, they were. But in an indoor arena and to the human ear, the only time we didn't hear a proper snare sound, like the awful snare sound on the bootlegs, was Radio gaga. The lighting rig and stage was unbelievable. |
| Costa86 31.10.2014 23:32 |
horse feathers wrote: I was fortunate enough to see Queen 6 times in all, Elland Road, the best ever. The Queenworks tour (which was the tours name) I went to all 4 that they booked initially, then they added 2 more, I think. I also went to Manchester 86, which was dreadful IMO. The 84 shows, I went to the first two, Friday and Saturday at Birmingham, then two at Wembley Arena. After the first show on the Friday night, there was reviews in the papers, which were unbelievable. First of all they said, in fact it was Simon Bates a radio 1 presenter, Freddie had forgotten the words to Love of my life and I want to break free and the fans had to sing those parts for him. So he obviously wasn't a Queen fan. Also many people mentione that John did nothing on stage apart from play bass and simply just stand there. This was also mentioned on the 86 tour. The following night at Birmingham and the Wembley shows, in 84, John went over the top, with his hand playing gestures and moved about a lot more. Also and i have said this before, the 84 shows were the best shows I ever saw. Forget the drum sound, the bootlegs are not as it sounded on the night. Obviously, because of the recordings, they were. But in an indoor arena and to the human ear, the only time we didn't hear a proper snare sound, like the awful snare sound on the bootlegs, was Radio gaga. The lighting rig and stage was unbelievable.Thanks so much for this first hand account mate! Great to read it like it was from someone who was actually there. It's what makes this forum something worthwhile. |
| gerry 01.11.2014 04:23 |
Elland Road Leeds was an electric show back in May 1982 as i was there. I remember Brian saying he realized the band had created a buzz on stage with that show and it was very special to him as he has family living in Leeds. Freddie was on fire and flirting with the audience, which they all loved! Teardrop Explodes, Joan Jett, & Bow wow wow, where the support acts and it was a very warm night, although sadly i was no where near the front of the crowds i soon made up for that at Newcastles St James in July 1986, I got myself parked towards the front of the stage with my brother. When Queen exploded on to the stage i was blown away, by seeing theses rock gods, and Freddie & Brian were just a stone thrown away from me. wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Queen were absolutely brilliant in the 70s& 80s. They always delivered a magnificent show and the lighting rigs always impressed. Quiet a different group now though only running on empty. |
| Zodiacal_light 01.11.2014 06:28 |
horse feathers wrote: I was fortunate enough to see Queen 6 times in all, Elland Road, the best ever. The Queenworks tour (which was the tours name) I went to all 4 that they booked initially, then they added 2 more, I think. I also went to Manchester 86, which was dreadful IMO. The 84 shows, I went to the first two, Friday and Saturday at Birmingham, then two at Wembley Arena. After the first show on the Friday night, there was reviews in the papers, which were unbelievable. First of all they said, in fact it was Simon Bates a radio 1 presenter, Freddie had forgotten the words to Love of my life and I want to break free and the fans had to sing those parts for him. So he obviously wasn't a Queen fan. Also many people mentione that John did nothing on stage apart from play bass and simply just stand there. This was also mentioned on the 86 tour. The following night at Birmingham and the Wembley shows, in 84, John went over the top, with his hand playing gestures and moved about a lot more. Also and i have said this before, the 84 shows were the best shows I ever saw. Forget the drum sound, the bootlegs are not as it sounded on the night. Obviously, because of the recordings, they were. But in an indoor arena and to the human ear, the only time we didn't hear a proper snare sound, like the awful snare sound on the bootlegs, was Radio gaga. The lighting rig and stage was unbelievable.I have to agree the Works shows were utterly awesome. I too was at Birmingham NEC. My god the volume shattered my eardrums for days afterwards. I also saw them in 1979--Crazy tour, 1982--Hot space tour and two magic tour shows--Manchester and Knebworth. Knebworth was an adventure and a half. We drove down from Scotland overnight the previous night in my old beat up Ford Capri. Got there in the morning and got right to the front of the (massive) stage. Stood all day waiting for the show, then after the show, which finnished around 10pm, attempted to drive home, all without any sleep. We got to the Motorway entry and i literally zonked out at the wheel. We had to pull in at a service station and sleep in the car till morning (we had no money to stay in hotels etc). We JUST made it back to Scotland with the fuel that was left |
| gerry 01.11.2014 06:38 |
Yes i agree Queen shows were very loud and deacy's amp always punched the crowds in the stomache! Going to a Queen show back in the good old days was always very special and we were always guaranteed to come away stunned! I like your post and you sound like you had a blast! |
| Vocal harmony 01.11.2014 11:02 |
gerry wrote: Yes i agree Queen shows were very loud and deacy's amp always punched the crowds in the stomache!Yes they were loud, so is the current tour. It wasn't JD's Bass amp that punched the crowds. It was the Sub Bass handling of the Claire Brothers PA If you stood in front of John back line you'd feel it in your back but as loud as it was it wouldn't have that intensity to reach the audience. |
| bucsateflon 01.11.2014 17:16 |
30 opinions and all different, so you can't draw any conclusion, + the dilemma isn't if some band members did or did not go crazy on stage by themselves, but if there was interaction between all the members on the stage or not. |
| The King Of Rhye 01.11.2014 17:49 |
Nitroboy wrote: I would say John moved around a lot more in the '80s compared to the '70s. On stuff like the Milton Keynes '82 concert, Wembley '86, Budapest etc. he's pretty much always dancing or moving around.On Rock Montreal too..........I remember from listening to the commentary on the dvd.....Brian and Roger said something like that they forgot how much he danced on stage, and that he was quite nifty or something like that........:) |
| The Real Wizard 02.11.2014 11:23 |
Rick wrote: That's why they sacked one of the earlier bassists, right? Because he was too present :-)Apparently that's just a myth... I recently learned otherwise, and this is the result: link |
| The Real Wizard 02.11.2014 11:26 |
Vocal harmony wrote: It wasn't JD's Bass amp that punched the crowds. It was the Sub Bass handling of the Claire Brothers PAFacts schmacts ;) |
| Rick 03.11.2014 03:58 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I'm learning every day. Thanks!Rick wrote: That's why they sacked one of the earlier bassists, right? Because he was too present :-)Apparently that's just a myth... I recently learned otherwise, and this is the result: link |
| lilyotv 09.11.2014 04:37 |
I think he didn't like drawing, attracting attention. Except Rainbow 74, Wembley 86 Budapest 86, he was completely pissed, with due respect. Be that as it may, Mr Deacon, bass player of GENIUS. Hats off! |