| horse feathers 26.09.2014 12:51 |
After 1995 the only 'new' tracks we get are an awful rendition of TMBMTLTT, that everyone who has already heard the origional demo, knew it would need a miracle to save it. Then, Love Kills, which not even the hardcore Queen fan liked when it came out, as chart positions show. Then we get the other one, I forget it's name. Which wouldn't have even made a decent B side, when the band was going. But as far as I can see, this is the only real new track. So after 19 years, is that all our beloved Greg has found? I can understand the Forever album, hoping to introduce newer fans to the band, I get all that, in the way Queen Rocks did. But there are some dreadful choices on it. One question I have is why 'You and I' isn't on it? OK, they have no more stuff left, well why not redo Queen songs, modern them up a bit, Rock them up a bit. Imagine AKOM more like the live version or IWTBF, with Electric guitars, instead of the whimsical acoustic guitars in them. Now I am sure if they did that and with a host of other songs, even non singles. It would sell more than this new album would, or is it cos I prefer old Queen and therefore out of touch? |
| RS_Protos 26.09.2014 13:01 |
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| RS_Protos 26.09.2014 13:11 |
It's all games about new releases, money comes first no matter what, people need to realize that. Even sick of BM and RT interviews about the "vault" crap lately about how they find mislabeled stuff, etc, please save the bull sh_t from now on. Rainbow is the best release in the last 20 years, i'm still surprised it even happened. |
| cmsdrums 26.09.2014 14:06 |
horse feathers wrote: Then, Love Kills, which not even the hardcore Queen fan liked when it came out, as chart positions show.Fair enough if you don't like it, but that's just factually incorrect: It was released in September 1984 in the UK on the same day as Hammer to Fall; LK reached No. 10, HTF only got to No. 13. |
| Caviar and Cigarettes 26.09.2014 16:02 |
Your forgetting The Cosmos Rocks! |
| ***JAN*** 26.09.2014 17:40 |
horse feathers wrote: I can understand the Forever album, hoping to introduce newer fans to the bandwasn't this a task that was to be accomplished by (an equally useless compilation like) DEEP CUTS a couple of years ago? :D |
| fofum 26.09.2014 18:11 |
Reworking old material is one thing... but reworking old classics... Are you insane??? That's a terrible idea. The thought of Roger and Brian going wild without Freddie and John's input is terrifying. Mad The Swine? Maybe... Perhaps a psychedelic reboot for the modern age. Hangman? Definitely. I Want To Break Free? Don't be ridiculous. It's a standard, and best left well alone. |
| MadTheSwine73 26.09.2014 18:22 |
In case no one would have figured... I'm down for a "modern" version of Mad The Swine. Not 'cause I like the song or anything. (sarcasm) |
| people on streets 27.09.2014 00:55 |
horse feathers wrote: Then, Love Kills, which not even the hardcore Queen fan liked when it came out, as chart positions show.Speak for yourself. I've always adored that song. One of Freddie's finest. Then again, I don't care what Freddie sings. If he'd sung the telephone book i'd still buy it. :) |
| andyb1968 27.09.2014 02:54 |
I'd forgotten mad the swine ! Ye a rerecorded version would have been perfect for the album, as would see what a fool etc, I would have been a lot happier with that, so long as Brian didn't make a hash of them ! As for Greg's work being finished, I doubt it, hopefully he will have more live archive material to find, and eventually work on a Queen archive project with all the demos/unreleased material, then the fans can finish them off. |
| MercurialFreddie 27.09.2014 05:00 |
@horse feathers "okay, they have no more stuff left..." wrong, my friend. As it has been stated once on this forum by Greg himself, apart from archiving, he and Gary "present" audio and video material which they think is worth releasing but some things are discarded by BM and RT and at the end of the day it is up to them what will the final product contain. This was the case with Freddie's box set, the deluxe remasters etc. He always stated that if it was up to him and Gary, then these releases would be different. Remember the uproar here on QZ which was caused by the miracle 2011 remaster ? Do you think that Brian or Roger read this forum ? I believe that we can be thankful to both Gary and Greg that the tracklist on the second disc of The Miracle has been changed. Also it has been said by Greg that if they'd release finished tracks which are collecting dust in their archives than we would get two full CDs of "new" tracks and also couple of bonus tracks. If we were to assume that it's true then releasing all of this isn't reasonable from the Universal point of view ($$$). So either they will really release album full of unheard songs or we will get from time to time compilation with "new" songs. Personally I don't think that during those 3 years they've only accomplished to finish/rework 3 songs. It's like... what... a year for one song and on top of that the mix of one of them was discarded (by MJ estate) ?! |
| tomchristie22 27.09.2014 07:22 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Remember the uproar here on QZ which was caused by the miracle 2011 remaster ? Do you think that Brian or Roger read this forum ? I believe that we can be thankful to both Gary and Greg that the tracklist on the second disc of The Miracle has been changed.Could you explain? I wasn't around for this - what was the tracklist going to be originally, and what was wrong with it? |
| thomasquinn 32989 27.09.2014 07:31 |
If they're only interested in re-hashing and cashing in on that, I'd rather see a b-sides and 12" mixes release. I reckon quite a number of people would buy that. What I *really* want is a 2cd with the full BBC sessions. |
| cmsdrums 27.09.2014 09:32 |
The b sides are available on the 2011 remasters, and the 12" collection came out with the original Rainbow box set, so so I'm not sure they'll be huge demand for that?? |
| MercurialFreddie 27.09.2014 10:26 |
tomchristie22 wrote:MercurialFreddie wrote: Remember the uproar here on QZ which was caused by the miracle 2011 remaster ? Do you think that Brian or Roger read this forum ? I believe that we can be thankful to both Gary and Greg that the tracklist on the second disc of The Miracle has been changed.Could you explain? I wasn't around for this - what was the tracklist going to be originally, and what was wrong with it? 3 years ago there was a complaint about the bonus content on the The Miracle 2011 deluxe edition bonus EP. Fans were not satisfied with what was on it and it started raining complaints (the bonus EP initially consisted only of b-sides to The Miracle released a year ago on the Singles Box-Set [2010]. Shortly after "Invisible Man" demo with RT on vocals was added. |
| andyb1968 27.09.2014 12:06 |
I do think there is a sense that they are holding a lot of stuff back, let's not forget this ballad collection was good to go 12 months ago, I believe the powers that be in the record company wanted a new track or two to make it more saleable ! The tour of course delayed things, and we've ended up with a hash job ! |
| YAFF 27.09.2014 12:19 |
MercurialFreddie wrote: Also it has been said by Greg that if they'd release finished tracks which are collecting dust in their archives than we would get two full CDs of "new" tracks and also couple of bonus tracks. If we were to assume that it's true then releasing all of this isn't reasonable from the Universal point of view ($$$). So either they will really release album full of unheard songs or we will get from time to time compilation with "new" songs.Huh? Did he really say that? I find it hard to believe they have two albums worth of unreleased tracks when they had to scrape to get MIH and then the abomination I call Queen Whatever |
| MercurialFreddie 27.09.2014 14:34 |
They didn't had to scrape. It was Freddie's will that MiH should be released 4 years after he's gone (that's why it took considerable amount of time). EMI also was not easy on them. They wasn't satisfied with presented product and insisted that at least one track should be up-tempo, that's why we got I Was Born To Love You "reworked" on that album. What's more, MiH is a concept album so only those demos could be finished which were fitting context-wise. As to the Queen Forever, Brian talked about "couple of tracks", not a full album. Of course I forgot about that and expected full REAL studio album. What is more we don't know how Universal's staff reacted to the final product, it could be that they put some pressure on, add this to MJ Estate's attitude and of the "couple of tracks" you are left with one MJ track, one unreleased and one with completely new backing track. BTW they should have added original demos to the second disc so we would see with what they got to start and how much work has been put into the tracks. |
| una999 27.09.2014 15:00 |
fofum wrote: Reworking old material is one thing... but reworking old classics... Are you insane??? That's a terrible idea. The thought of Roger and Brian going wild without Freddie and John's input is terrifying. Mad The Swine? Maybe... Perhaps a psychedelic reboot for the modern age. Hangman? Definitely. I Want To Break Free? Don't be ridiculous. It's a standard, and best left well alone.i checked the previews of the songs on itunes and are any of them reworked...they didn't sound like to me, so i'm wondering what they (brian and roger) were referring to. |
| una999 27.09.2014 15:00 |
fofum wrote: Reworking old material is one thing... but reworking old classics... Are you insane??? That's a terrible idea. The thought of Roger and Brian going wild without Freddie and John's input is terrifying. Mad The Swine? Maybe... Perhaps a psychedelic reboot for the modern age. Hangman? Definitely. I Want To Break Free? Don't be ridiculous. It's a standard, and best left well alone.i checked the previews of the songs on itunes and are any of them reworked...they didn't sound like to me, so i'm wondering what they (brian and roger) were referring to. |
| LucasDiego 27.09.2014 15:30 |
Some b sides, like blurred vision and a dozen red roses... is not on the bonus EP, and not all the extendeds version is at the 12' collection |
| LucasDiego 27.09.2014 15:32 |
The b sides are available on the 2011 remasters, and the 12" collection came out with the original Rainbow box set, so so I'm not sure they'll be huge demand for that?? Some b sides, like blurred vision and a dozen red roses... is not on the bonus EP, and not all the extendeds version is at the 12' collection |
| pestgrid 28.09.2014 05:31 |
Everyone on this forum continually moans about what they would like to see on the releases and what isn't. Hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. That's cool, and believe me, Brian and Rog ARE dedicated to bringing out new releases to the fans that are worthwhile. Worthwhile in more ways than one, yes financially it has to make sense, because to package these releases takes money, and if Queen Productions cannot cover costs and make a profit, what is the point, because they can't continue. So it's important for them to grab new fans and spread the music of Queen to new audiences as well as satisfying the fans that got them there in the first place. It is such a fine line, and yes, of all the vaulted material available, Brian and Roger have the last say about their music. That is actually quite a rare thing these days, usually labels own the music and the artist gets a percentage of anything released. Queen were clever enough to ensure this did not happen, but when you begin mixing labels and ownership rights, ie the MJ tracks. That is when legal rubbish can take over in the end of owned material. Because believe it or not, Brian and Roger don't own any Freddie Mercury music. That right goes to Jim Beach, who will let the remainder of Queen get what they want in that respect. But to the releases, one thing to remember, a deluxe set was in the works as far back as 2000 for the Queen material. A version of that still remains, but the more released now, the less released at later dates. Queen were clever in 2004 onwards as they made the decision to split the 'Anthology' up as sell it off for spare parts. Meaning it did't cost more than it would have selling/creating it in album size chunks for people to buy, or even one giant box set. The Singles Collection, The Remastered Albums, The Remastered Original Vinyl's, The Various Live releases on both CD and DVD, the various books and compilation releases ( Deep Cuts, Forever, Bonus Ep's and Greatest Hits Remastered). Again the more they put out now, the smaller the sets get for the material everyone craves after on these forums. These types of forums crawl with people so desperate to get that material that some even remaster low quality demos and create fan made mixes. Which is great and keeps the spirit alive, but only on these forums. So in the public eye, it's the product releases themselves that do the same for everyone else. Think of it like this, for every decent release, there needs to be 2 rehashes to keep awareness, and the Brand name Queen alive in the minds of people. Basically preparing everyone for the decent releases. plus it gives others time to get playing and releasing new material as well..ie Lambert, Ellis, Orbit, Williams and all the others of the past they have worked with. Just a thought. |
| coops 28.09.2014 09:11 |
pestgrid wrote: |
| pestgrid 28.09.2014 16:51 |
and still do.... |
| Togg 30.09.2014 08:00 |
One would assume the archiving will continue until Brian and Roger have said they wish it to stop... Whilst it may well be slower now then before, I would imagine they still find things from time to time that should be brought to B&R's attention. |