| queen lover123 18.09.2013 14:24 |
These are the days of our lives |
| Back2TheLight 18.09.2013 14:56 |
Nope...as far as we know, it's Mother Love...but even I question that lol. |
| dave76 18.09.2013 16:08 |
it must be mother love. brian recalls that freddie did the track but wasn't able to complete the last verse so brian sang that bit. it makes sense. these are the days of our lives was the last video he did. |
| Back2TheLight 18.09.2013 18:23 |
Yes, but if that vocal was recorded in May of 91, and according to Jim Hutton that Freddie was in the studio all the way up to 3 weeks up until he died, there could be more that nobody knows about. Probably not the case, but...anything is possible! |
| The Real Wizard 18.09.2013 19:06 |
There was just a recent discussion about it here. There are varying stories about when Freddie laid down his vocal for Mother Love, but extensive detective work seems to point to May 1991. |
| rhyeking 18.09.2013 22:25 |
As The Real Wizard says, looking at all the known dates for 1991, Queen (and Freddie in particular) did the last sessions in May. The evidence is pretty specific and paints a picture that they finished those May sessions with no definite plans to return to the studio that year. |
| musicland munich 18.09.2013 23:09 |
I mainly agree with the Wizard and the King. It's datet in late may 91 ( slips of papers in David Richards hands showing that mother love is datet 22/5/91 - source -Champions of the world VHS /DVD). One week later 30/5/91 they filmed TADOOL in London. BUT there are rumors and sources that "something" further has going on. It can't ruled out completely. |
| Sebastian 18.09.2013 23:41 |
The date could mean they began the song then, but it could've been resumed later. |
| thomasquinn 32989 19.09.2013 01:28 |
Has anyone ever done a close examination of the vocals on Mother Love, looking for splices in Freddie's vocals? If we're going to assume, as Sebastian seems to be implying he does, that Freddie's parts weren't recorded in one go, you would expect to find (subtle) differences in the exact sound of vocal parts recorded at different times. |
| Queen1973 19.09.2013 03:10 |
musicland munich wrote: I mainly agree with the Wizard and the King. It's datet in late may 91 ( slips of papers in David Richards hands showing that mother love is datet 22/5/91 - source -Champions of the world VHS /DVD). One week later 30/5/91 they filmed TADOOL in London. BUT there are rumors and sources that "something" further has going on. It can't ruled out completely.Champions of the world DVD??? |
| Kacio 19.09.2013 05:09 |
Peter confirmed that the last time Freddie was in the studio in October 1991 |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2013 10:10 |
Peter "said", not "confirmed" There is plenty of revisionist history in the books written by Freestone and Hutton. Far too much to list. |
| The Real Wizard 19.09.2013 10:11 |
musicland munich wrote: I mainly agree with the Wizard and the King.This is turning into a Lord Of The Rings script. I like it. |
| rhyeking 19.09.2013 11:47 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Peter "said", not "confirmed" There is plenty of revisionist history in the books written by Freestone and Hutton. Far too much to list.And also misremembered details, as it was a turbulent time for everyone in the Queen camp. I'm not saying Peter is lying, though I'd love to see the quote he gave about October 1991 studio time. The problem becomes that there are verifiable facts that differ from that statement. The Cross scheduled a promo and live tour for Sept. and Oct. And that scheduling process is done well in advance, which tells me that Queen did not plan to return to the studio until afterwards (and by then we're in November and Freddie's health is declining rapidly). The Summer 1991 Fan Club magazine (released late June/early July) explicitly states that Queen had no further plans to return to the studio that year following their recent session work (which coincides with the May "Mother Love" and TATDOOL video shoot dates). Roger Taylor's October letter to the Autumn 1991 Fan Club magazine says Queen recorded 4 tracks earlier in the year, but makes no mention of any current or forthcoming Queen recording plans. And he's quite detailed about the other things he and Queen are doing, such as releasing GH2, finishing Blue Rock and preparing for the tour. All of this, along with things like Brian working on his solo album, working with Cozy and doing things like Guitar Legends, tells me Queen did nothing together as a band in the studio after May 1991, nor that Freddie recorded anything in the studio after May 1991. |
| Back2TheLight 19.09.2013 13:51 |
I really suppose David Richards would be the best person to ask, mainy because, well...he was their cheif producer at the time! But of course he's not going to say much about it, if anything (except that Freddie was 'full of beans' lol). Sure Peter or Jim could have been a bit off about their dates, but probably not by much. And besides if they were lying about anything, what purpose would it serve? I mean there's a million theories about this and only one could speculate unless one of us knew the absolute concrete truth. In terms of 'Mother Love' sounding spliced (read the post but don't remember who said it...sorry!), Brian did say they did 3 takes of every line that Freddie sang, so certainly the vocal track that we have all come to know and love could indeed be a frankenstein in terms of take 1, take 3 on this line, etc. |
| Back2TheLight 19.09.2013 13:51 |
Double post...sorry! |
| musicland munich 19.09.2013 19:03 |
David Richards is a good source. I have this article/Interview from late 1995 with the German Rolling Stone Magazine. The header means something like "When angels sing" I am too lazy for a complete translation...maybe I will do a rough translation over the weekend. It is mainly about "Made in heaven" and how it was produced . One statement from D.Richards " Freddie worked about one month on that MIH Album" ( rough content - wise) |
| rhyeking 19.09.2013 20:04 |
There are several David Richards sources (interviews, etc.) where he says that and it seems he's referring to the May 1991 sessions. The only other sessions in 1991 took place from the second week of January and lasted at most until the end of the month, as on February 1st, Brian and Roger flew to the States to promote the Innuendo album. The January session resulted in "Lost Opportunity" and *possibly* one or more of the MIH tracks started (if I had to guess, I'd say "A Winter's Tale," as it was Freddie's last song written solely by himself and was a complete vocal recording, a full song, and it was winter in Montreux, so maybe that inspired him. Just a guess, though). Part of putting The Queen Chronology book together was to try to answer a lot of these questions, the whens and wheres of Queen/solo recording. I found when I started putting dates in order for my own notes (which is how the Chronology began) I started seeing these details and the large picture became somewhat clearer. |
| musicland munich 19.09.2013 20:17 |
rhyeking wrote: ..., and it was winter in Montreux, so maybe that inspired him. Just a guess, though). It's true :) David Richards said this in that interview too( content-wise).. |
| mooghead 20.09.2013 01:41 |
Congratulations!!!!!! You have won the one millionth 'Last Song Freddie Recorded' post!!!! To collect your prize go to the nearest cliff... and jump off it! Have a nice day now :-) |
| matt z 20.09.2013 04:07 |
mooghead wrote: Congratulations!!!!!! You have won the one millionth 'Last Song Freddie Recorded' post!!!! To collect your prize go to the nearest cliff... and jump off it! Have a nice day now :-)Yes. It's been done a million times before but they were being friendly and cordial. The question was answered without much bullshit. At least until moog. Unless a foreword is given prior to posts stating that many topics have already been discussed and new members are SUGGESTED to look those up. ... then well (!) It's just a fact that new members are going to ask these questions. For the sake of the site post a link to discussion threads. Otherwise it tends to get bilous and vitriolic. |
| Sebastian 20.09.2013 08:18 |
rhyeking wrote:The Cross scheduled a promo and live tour for Sept. and Oct.Freddie could go and record his vocals and/or keyboards without Roger being present. It happened a lot anyway. rhyeking wrote:The Summer 1991 Fan Club magazine (released late June/early July) explicitly states that Queen had no further plans to return to the studio that year following their recent session work.Yeah, but plans and decisions change: remember 'Another Miracle'? The anthology? The whole 'no more Queen without Freddie'? The summer 1975 American tour? Opening 'Queen II' with SSOR? Including TMLWKY on 'The Miracle'? Playing in Uruguay in 1983? A second solo album by Freddie? ADatR in DTS 5.1 Surround? Xmas Eve '75 officially released? Rainbow? The intro lyrics on All Dead All Dead? 'Man on Fire' on The Works? rhyeking wrote:Roger Taylor's October letter to the Autumn 1991 Fan Club magazine says Queen recorded 4 tracks earlier in the year.Which doesn't eliminate the possibility of either more tracks being done after that, or new ideas being added (e.g., a new verse) after that. rhyeking wrote:All of this, along with things like Brian working on his solo album, working with Cozy and doing things like Guitar Legends, tells me Queen did nothing together as a band in the studio after May 1991But that doesn't mean Freddie couldn't go to the studio on his own (well, with his entourage) and work on his bits. Queen, even as early as 1974, were long past the 'we all have to be together for every recording session' habit. rhyeking wrote:nor that Freddie recorded anything in the studio after May 1991.Actually, there are quite a few sources claiming the opposite. It wasn't necessarily something usable, it wasn't necessarily something 'new', and it didn't necessarily feature the other Queen members, but there has been some studio activity described. |
| Sebastian 20.09.2013 08:25 |
bambams-paradise wrote:I really suppose David Richards would be the best person to ask, mainy because, well...he was their cheif producer at the time!link bambams-paradise wrote:if they were lying about anything, what purpose would it serve?Fuelling a legend and making things more romantic and spectacular. It happens all the time in show business and it happened a lot with Queen and especially Freddie. Saying that Bo Rhap was like the 400th video ever, was played four times by Kenny Everett on his radio programme, took a couple of weeks to record and featured about twenty simultaneous vocal overdubs is far closer to the truth than 'first video ever, Kenny played it fourteen times, it took bloody ages to record and has 180 vocal overdubs', but it sounds way less impressive. For some extent, fans still want to hear the 'legend', the same way loads of young kids see their parents as flawless superheroes and would never accept a suggestion to the contrary. bambams-paradise wrote:In terms of 'Mother Love' sounding spliced (read the post but don't remember who said it...sorry!), Brian did say they did 3 takes of every line that Freddie sang, so certainly the vocal track that we have all come to know and love could indeed be a frankenstein in terms of take 1, take 3 on this line, etc.Actually, that happened a lot, with or without Freddie being ill. |
| TheGame 21.09.2013 09:38 |
I will just repeat what i wrote in a previous topic. Freddie left Montreux 10.th november. Thats all the fact we know for sure (atleast according to Freestone). David Richard mentioned that Freddie didnt behave very sick in the last session ( he did mention that the only "strange" behaviour was that he had to sit down instead of standing when singing). If thats correct, then im sure the last session wasnt in November or even maybe October ( thats just my thoughts though). Didnt David also say that they did 2/6 weeks sessions ( 2 weeks in studio and 6 weeks off?). If thats correct, then why does someone mention january and may as the only sessions in 1991? Im not looking for any conclusion as i think thats not possible given the information we have. |
| Sebastian 21.09.2013 12:32 |
AFAIK, those diseases aren't necessarily linear in the person's deterioration: some days they'll feel better, some days they'll feel worse, with the 'worse' instances becoming gradually more frequent. Freddie could've easily felt better for a couple of days in November, recorded something (usable or not) and then flown home. |
| Queenman!! 21.09.2013 13:59 |
TheGame wrote: I will just repeat what i wrote in a previous topic. Freddie left Montreux 10.th november. Thats all the fact we know for sure (atleast according to Freestone). David Richard mentioned that Freddie didnt behave very sick in the last session ( he did mention that the only "strange" behaviour was that he had to sit down instead of standing when singing). If thats correct, then im sure the last session wasnt in November or even maybe October ( thats just my thoughts though). Didnt David also say that they did 2/6 weeks sessions ( 2 weeks in studio and 6 weeks off?). If thats correct, then why does someone mention january and may as the only sessions in 1991? Im not looking for any conclusion as i think thats not possible given the information we have.========== The sitting down came due too the leisson under Freddie;s right foot which he struggles with since feb 1991 |
| The Real Wizard 21.09.2013 14:20 |
TheGame wrote: Freddie left Montreux 10.th november. Thats all the fact we know for sure (atleast according to Freestone).There's no way Mercury would have been well enough to fly on an airplane two weeks before his death. I call revisionist history on this one. |
| on my way up 21.09.2013 14:32 |
The Real Wizard wrote:That's what I thought too but Freestone has said it on several occasions...His story is that Freddie stopped his medication, flew back home and died shortly afterwards.TheGame wrote: Freddie left Montreux 10.th november. Thats all the fact we know for sure (atleast according to Freestone).There's no way Mercury would have been well enough to fly on an airplane two weeks before his death. I call revisionist history on this one. |
| M-train 21.09.2013 15:01 |
I wonder why Freddie would have stopped his medication? Was the side effects getting to be too much, was he tired of being sick, and just said f**k it, or just figured it wasn't doing much good anyways? |
| musicland munich 21.09.2013 15:11 |
on my way up wrote:The Real Wizard wrote:That's what I thought too but Freestone has said it on several occasions...His story is that Freddie stopped his medication, flew back home and died shortly afterwards.TheGame wrote: Freddie left Montreux 10.th november. Thats all the fact we know for sure (atleast according to Freestone).There's no way Mercury would have been well enough to fly on an airplane two weeks before his death. I call revisionist history on this one. Jim Hutton statement in his Book Mercury and Me supports that 10 th November date. He is going more specific. He( Freddie) was so sick that he didn't get checked by the border patrol with the regular people. So he wasn't in public. And of course they hired a private jet...a picture for example. freddie / Hamilton on a private Jet in 1989 |
| musicland munich 21.09.2013 15:11 |
f@cking double post...why ??? |
| Sebastian 21.09.2013 16:11 |
There's no way Mercury would have been well enough to fly on an airplane two weeks before his death.Actually there is. AFAIK, those diseases aren't necessarily linear in the person's deterioration: some days they'll feel better, some days they'll feel worse, with the 'worse' instances becoming gradually more frequent. |
| rhyeking 21.09.2013 18:21 |
Sebastian wrote:There's no verifiable evidence that Freddie recorded anything after May 1991. We can speculate on dozens of possible alternatives, but all I'm seeing in the argument *for* additional Freddie recordings is a strong desire for it to be true and speculation founded on (at best) circumstantial evidence and A LOT of supposition, as opposed to looking at the concrete evidence we have (what we *know* the band members were doing and when) and drawing a conclusion based on those details.rhyeking wrote:The Cross scheduled a promo and live tour for Sept. and Oct.Freddie could go and record his vocals and/or keyboards without Roger being present. It happened a lot anyway.rhyeking wrote:The Summer 1991 Fan Club magazine (released late June/early July) explicitly states that Queen had no further plans to return to the studio that year following their recent session work.Yeah, but plans and decisions change: remember 'Another Miracle'? The anthology? The whole 'no more Queen without Freddie'? The summer 1975 American tour? Opening 'Queen II' with SSOR? Including TMLWKY on 'The Miracle'? Playing in Uruguay in 1983? A second solo album by Freddie? ADatR in DTS 5.1 Surround? Xmas Eve '75 officially released? Rainbow? The intro lyrics on All Dead All Dead? 'Man on Fire' on The Works?rhyeking wrote:Roger Taylor's October letter to the Autumn 1991 Fan Club magazine says Queen recorded 4 tracks earlier in the year.Which doesn't eliminate the possibility of either more tracks being done after that, or new ideas being added (e.g., a new verse) after that.rhyeking wrote:All of this, along with things like Brian working on his solo album, working with Cozy and doing things like Guitar Legends, tells me Queen did nothing together as a band in the studio after May 1991But that doesn't mean Freddie couldn't go to the studio on his own (well, with his entourage) and work on his bits. Queen, even as early as 1974, were long past the 'we all have to be together for every recording session' habit.rhyeking wrote:nor that Freddie recorded anything in the studio after May 1991.Actually, there are quite a few sources claiming the opposite. It wasn't necessarily something usable, it wasn't necessarily something 'new', and it didn't necessarily feature the other Queen members, but there has been some studio activity described. "Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts." Arthur Conan Doyle (1891) If definitive evidence arises demonstrating later sessions, between June and November 1991, for Freddie to have recorded any vocal tracks for any song, I'll be thrilled! Show me tracking sheets, tape/file labels, firm records made at the time whose authenticity is confirmed and I'll be the first to happy say I was wrong! Until then, the evidence tells me Freddie did not record any songs after May 1991. |
| Sebastian 21.09.2013 20:41 |
Not necessarily vocal tracks - he could've recorded keyboards. Anyway, there's a lot of evidence implying the four Queennies didn't go to the studios together, but not that they didn't visit the studios separately. Freddie's confirmed to have been in August (FC info section) and, according to Phoebe (IIRC), Fred only went there to record; David Richards also said (to a QOL discussion about a decade ago IIRC) that Fred recorded shortly before his death. It's not the same as track-sheets or authenticated signatures but it's still way more than wishful thinking. Freddie could've easily recorded something (even if it was just three seconds of material) in either London or Montreux, between the 23rd of May and the early days of November. There's in fact nothing concrete to suggest there were post-May sessions, but there's also nothing concrete to suggest there weren't. ML tracksheet says May ... it could've been started in May and finished (Fred-wise) much later, so it doesn't actually prove anything. So far it's 50/50 in terms of evidence... actually, it's more like 0/0: nothing to prove last sessions were in May, nothing to prove last sessions were after May. |
| rhyeking 21.09.2013 23:10 |
Like I said, if he recorded any song material after May 1991, I'll be thrilled to bits! Looking at all of the available evidence, including the accounts made as events were unfolding and what we know the band members were doing that year, the conclusion I draw is that Freddie didn't record any song material after May 1991. And please don't think I'm just being obtuse or rigid on this point. I'm perfectly willing to adjust my conclusions based on new evidence. I weigh everything I read (or see in interviews, etc.) accordingly. Like I said earlier in the thread, putting all the hard dates and information culled from many different sources (reports made at the time and accounts mad since of the band's/Freddie's activities) together for the Chronology book, it seemed clear to me that May was the time of the last recording sessions. Everything I could find on 1991 (and every other year between 1946 and 2012) is in the book, as it relates to their recording and releasing. If there's more, I want to see it. |
| Sebastian 22.09.2013 01:08 |
I don't think you're obtuse, stubborn, obstinate, narrow-minded or anything like that. I see where you're coming from and I respect your POV. For the record, I'm not saying there were recording sessions after May, I'm not saying there weren't... I'm 'agnostic' when it comes to that. Personally, it makes absolutely no difference to me if Freddie did the last verse of AWT or the middle-eight of ML or the chorus of YDFM in January, May, October, November or whatever. It doesn't make those songs any better than they already are, and I'm not gonna like them any more or any less if I were to find out a more precise date for any of those. I think, based on what I've read (and it seems you and I share a lot of the same sources for our respective fields of interest), that a lot of the sources are contradictory or revisionist or they're embellishing facts and events, and also a lot of what was said in 1991 might have been to create/force a sense of 'normalcy' amongst the fans. That's why my conclusion may differ from yours: I think there's nothing strong to believe Freddie's recording career stopped six months before his death (IMO), and there's nothing strong to believe it didn't (IMO). |