| Togg 13.03.2013 05:18 |
Just ordering one and wanted to know what any owners thought? |
| BradF 13.03.2013 11:00 |
Was considering doing the same. What was the cost, and did you order through the BMG website? |
| The Real Wizard 13.03.2013 22:53 |
Super - as in the one from Japan? |
| Graeme Arnott 14.03.2013 01:24 |
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| Graeme Arnott 14.03.2013 01:25 |
KZ super is fantastic. |
| bootLuca 14.03.2013 01:48 |
I bought it 4/5 years ago (the nr 10!) and I'm very happy with that! :) |
| Togg 14.03.2013 03:43 |
Current price is £2,295.00 inc VAT, yep it's the KZ firm that now make the 'official' BM Super supplied by Brain May Guitars (at least that is was I have been led to believe, unless of course they are making them in their own workshops now. It's a limited run of a 100 guitars per year. |
| ludwigs 14.03.2013 12:19 |
The 'Super' was made from the KZ Guitarworks shop by Kazutaka Ijuin. The guitar was very close to the KZ Junior but was cited as having the same neck profile as the original Red Special....but it did have the correct Adeson 'special' pickups.If I recall they were about £2700? There was a run a few years ago but this was fulfilled and Kaz NO longer has any involvement making any RS guitars for BMG etc...(damn shame as he was a builder with integrity...) The newer Super is currently being adjusted and there are aims to have one available for this year for music fairs - namely Frankfurt in April?? Price is yet to be finalised (£2995 GBP is current figure and they may come to fruition sometime this year).Full price and spec will be announced and they should be close to the KZ made version. I'm skeptical about them being ready this year.... They will be available from A-Strings (UK) and BMG. |
| Fireplace 14.03.2013 15:45 |
I hope you keep us posted once you get one. I have a Burns copy with great sound, but poorly set up and with little tuning stability. I really wonder if the quality in the Supers justifies their price. |
| Holly2003 14.03.2013 17:41 |
Sorry, slightly off-topic but it's interesting Brian's back-up guitar in the early says was a Gibson Les Paul. Clearly Brian got the sound he needed from a LP but can you get anything like a Les Paul sound from a Red Special clone? |
| Fireplace 14.03.2013 17:45 |
Holly2003 wrote: Sorry, slightly off-topic but it's interesting Brian's back-up guitar in the early says was a Gibson Les Paul. Clearly Brian got the sound he needed from a LP but can you get anything like a Les Paul sound from a Red Special clone?Not really, the output of the BHM's single coils simply can't match a Les Paul. I've heard Brian say that the Red Special was meant to be somewhere inbetween a Stratocaster and a Les Paul, but actually the sounds are much closer to a strat. |
| Holly2003 14.03.2013 18:32 |
Fireplace wrote:That's what I assumed. Can't see how the RS and LP are in any way similar. Maybe Brian just wanted a Clapton/Bluesbreaker vibe.Holly2003 wrote: Sorry, slightly off-topic but it's interesting Brian's back-up guitar in the early says was a Gibson Les Paul. Clearly Brian got the sound he needed from a LP but can you get anything like a Les Paul sound from a Red Special clone?Not really, the output of the BHM's single coils simply can't match a Les Paul. I've heard Brian say that the Red Special was meant to be somewhere inbetween a Stratocaster and a Les Paul, but actually the sounds are much closer to a strat. |
| Togg 15.03.2013 04:38 |
ludwigs wrote: The 'Super' was made from the KZ Guitarworks shop by Kazutaka Ijuin. The guitar was very close to the KZ Junior but was cited as having the same neck profile as the original Red Special....but it did have the correct Adeson 'special' pickups.If I recall they were about £2700? There was a run a few years ago but this was fulfilled and Kaz NO longer has any involvement making any RS guitars for BMG etc...(damn shame as he was a builder with integrity...) The newer Super is currently being adjusted and there are aims to have one available for this year for music fairs - namely Frankfurt in April?? Price is yet to be finalised (£2995 GBP is current figure and they may come to fruition sometime this year).Full price and spec will be announced and they should be close to the KZ made version. I'm skeptical about them being ready this year.... They will be available from A-Strings (UK) and BMG.Why have I had a quote from Barry Moorhouse of £2,295.00 and told they will be here in April? |
| ludwigs 16.03.2013 10:12 |
Barry also told me in Juy 2011 (same day that Pete M brought along the real Old Lady to have a play on) that they would be made in Czechoslovakia and that they would be for sale in the next few months.....It's now 2013 and still no real facts. If you are taking what Barry says as that then great.I hope you get your Super as soon as that. They are, without doubt a fantastic guitar. I'll wait to be proved wrong. |
| Hutchence 16.03.2013 11:36 |
Ludwigs- Czechoslovakia doesn't exist for the last 20 years...link |
| ludwigs 16.03.2013 11:43 |
Czech republic?? I think you know what I meant?? |
| Hutchence 17.03.2013 04:55 |
Well, it's 50-50. Maybe you've meant Czech republic or maybe Slovakia- you tell me ;) |
| inu-liger 17.03.2013 06:01 |
Anyways, getting back on topic... |
| Togg 18.03.2013 05:21 |
ludwigs wrote: Barry also told me in Juy 2011 (same day that Pete M brought along the real Old Lady to have a play on) that they would be made in Czechoslovakia and that they would be for sale in the next few months.....It's now 2013 and still no real facts. If you are taking what Barry says as that then great.I hope you get your Super as soon as that. They are, without doubt a fantastic guitar. I'll wait to be proved wrong.What happened to the original version? when did they stop making it? and why? I will call House Music and try to get some facts, but he has been very specific about the price and arrival date so we shall see... |
| Togg 18.03.2013 06:21 |
OK here's what House Music are saying, Prototypes now approved by Brian and given the go ahead, it will be built in the same plant as the upright Bass house music have in Czech republic, I am still awaiting final spec details but it should be either pretty much the same as the KZ version or an upgrade?? Barry will call me tomorrow with more details and first run should be ready end April |
| Togg 25.03.2013 06:02 |
Update. had a call from Barry Moorhouse, the guitars are going into production now, but small runs first 10 or so hopefully by the end of April. The price quoted is not correct and they will be closer to £2700-£3k depending on exchange rate, however not over £3k. They are possibly a slight upgrade on the older 'Super' model in terms of the woodwork, however they will not have a lacqured neck due to the expansion of the wood, it will be a closer neck in terms of finish than that of the 'Special' and also the full Brian profile, so much thicker. Sounds like a good 'middle' version between the Super and the Guyton which is around the £8k mark! Got my order in....waiting.... |
| ludwigs 25.03.2013 16:14 |
Hmmm........... I hope you get what you are expecting Togg. I am in no way trying to poo-poo your expectations. I know what expectation is like after all. The figure I quoted seems to be much nearer than what Baz quoted you?? I'm not a salesman! Reality is that it could be - a little longer. April end seems a wonderful date to hope for. My assumption is that it will be a little longer? Again, I hope to be proved wrong. No lacquered neck!!!!!!! Are you kidding me?????? That's one of 'the' features of the Old Girl!!!! I am also interested in the 'changes' that they hope to offer from the last batch of Kaz (excellent build/made efforts.) Similar neck, great pick-ups, plastic feel....hard trem, blah, blah..... So, I do hope that Barry is true to his word for you. Czech republic????? Ha! (Whatever it's called now...) |
| Togg 26.03.2013 04:55 |
We shall see, the exchange rate from Japan became too high and it would have meant that the guitar would have been priced well over £3k, I understand KZ is no longer making them at all and has closed his business. The lacquered neck is an issue in some ways, but if it were produced in the same way Brian's was it would again end up being closer to the Guyton price and therefore not much of a market for them. We shall see, if they get it close to say the finish of a custom shop strat (I have one with a lacquered neck) then it will be fine. As for the timing, well the first 10 should be ready end of April, that doesnt mean they will be on sale... I suspect it will be May /June before they have enough to start shipping them to people we shall see. If I can get hold of it by November I will be ok with it, I want it this year and dont mind waiting, will have a look at one before signing the deal but I suspect it will be pretty much what I am looking for. Apparently Pete feels they are a very high quality version and maybe a bit better than before (however he has only seen prototypes so what the production run will be we will have to wait to find out. Brian has approved them so again I have to hope he would only do that if it was a big leap up from the Special and worth £3k or thereabouts... I think the KZ versions were wonderful, but the exchange rate started to kill it, the as the orders dropped due to the general economic climate i guess it just came to a halt. They will be built in the same factory as the upright bass and a number of PRS guitars come from, so fingers crossed. |
| BernieD 18.08.2015 16:40 |
Hi, is there any update available regarding the RS Super ? Will they be produced again ? Japan, Korea, ... Bernie |
| BradF 27.06.2016 16:57 |
I ordered my Super today. I was told there are 15 built for this batch, and I spoke for the 14th...only one left! |