| greaserkat 08.02.2013 10:37 |
I don't know how much coverage this story has gotten outside of the US, but here in Los Angeles where I live, updates have been almost every 30 minutes or so. And ex-LAPS Officer has killed 3 people (one a cop) and has shot at several other police officers and is in the hunt for more. He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true... link |
| Heavenite 16.02.2013 01:01 |
And Another One Bites the Dust courtesy of his own hand. It was the only way it could have ended I think. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 17.02.2013 06:28 |
I don't know why this isn't being said in more places but this is another case of a mentally ill person falling through the cracks. I'm not in any way defending this guy but... He had only been on the police force for a few months before he was called to duty and sent to Bahrain. I can't recall how long he served there, but he was immediately put back on the LAPD force when his tour ended. From what I've read, he didn't handle the switch out of the military very well and had even broken down, in tears, while in a squad car with his supervisor. He cried, asking why he hadn't been or wasn't permitted to be sent for reintegration training. Apparently, he had asked for retraining on more than one occasion. I'm sorry, but if a man who has a license to carry weapons, has the power of a badge and has had combat and survival training, suddenly starts weeping because he wasn't properly re-trained, wouldn't you think the first order of business would be to take his weapons away and get him some help? I've been searching for the original article I read about this but was only able to find this one from the Huffington Post: link In the article, it's also said that an ex-girlfriend warned others about him, saying he was 'twisted and super paranoid' among other things. Is it possible that no one - not in the police force, not in the military, not in his family (he lived with his mother) saw warning signs from this guy’s behavior? Aren't psychological evaluations performed on people when they're first considered for the position of cop or naval reservist??? The LAPD simply fired this disturbed man, letting him loose on the population without any follow up. IMO, they are as much to blame for this horror as Christopher Doner himself. |
| thomasquinn 32989 17.02.2013 06:45 |
Every single person who has ever joined or will ever join the army has been and will be damaged in the process. You can't train a person to kill (on command) and expect him/her to remain a balanced, healthy individual. When someone actually sees active duty, it's even worse. Every major war has resulted in a multitude of dysfunctional individuals and a maimed society: The American Wild West - masses of deeply scarred (mentally and physically) Civil War veterans. The rise of nazi's and fascists - the veterans of World War I, possibly the most terrible war ever from the soldier's point of view. American (violent) crime rates in the '80s - Vietnam veterans left to fend for themselves. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 17.02.2013 06:48 |
And if we can't learn (and advance) from history, then we're doomed to repeat it. Pretty pathetic in 2013, I'd say. |
| Donna13 17.02.2013 09:30 |
"He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true..." -------------- Why? Are you saying that in your opinion, it was OK for him to go on a murder spree if his complaints were accurate? People can find stuff to complain about in any environment, but this does not give them a reason to run around killing people as a protest. My point: each person is an individual and they have individual reactions to stress, danger, war, public speaking, death of loved ones, sailing across an ocean, snow storms, illness, etc. Not everyone is changed into a state of serious mental illness by life's experiences. This guy may have been mentally ill for most of his life. This reminds me of suicide. When someone kills themselves, often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness that led to the decision to commit suicide. |
| magicalfreddiemercury 17.02.2013 09:44 |
Donna13 wrote: " ...often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness...Exactly right. The sad thing is, this is not new information, yet the same horrors repeat. We have to determine why the signs of mental illness aren't seen or addressed before the situation becomes so dangerous. We ask the same question after every mass killing - were there signs? - and the answer is almost always yes. I don't know if we, as a society, are incapable of recognizing those signs beforehand, or if we're just too lazy to do anything about them. |
| mooghead 17.02.2013 12:36 |
"Every single person who has ever joined or will ever join the army has been and will be damaged in the process. You can't train a person to kill (on command) and expect him/her to remain a balanced, healthy individual." Wow... that is a very bold statement... everyone, without exception, who used to be in the army, is unstable.. An astounding thing to say... |
| greaserkat 19.02.2013 11:48 |
Donna13 wrote: "He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true..." -------------- Why? Are you saying that in your opinion, it was OK for him to go on a murder spree if his complaints were accurate? People can find stuff to complain about in any environment, but this does not give them a reason to run around killing people as a protest. My point: each person is an individual and they have individual reactions to stress, danger, war, public speaking, death of loved ones, sailing across an ocean, snow storms, illness, etc. Not everyone is changed into a state of serious mental illness by life's experiences. This guy may have been mentally ill for most of his life. This reminds me of suicide. When someone kills themselves, often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness that led to the decision to commit suicide.The only victims, in my opinion, that were not OK to have been in his murder spree were those that were not cops... |
| Donna13 19.02.2013 15:51 |
There are plenty of legal methods to bring a complaint against someone in the United States. This individual did not succeed in clearing his name, nor did he succeed in making the police department better for others. He failed completely as a human by deciding to go on a killing spree. He is not someone to be admired. If you admire killers, then there is something wrong with you mentally, and spiritually, and you should seek help. |
| greaserkat 19.02.2013 16:10 |
I don't recall anywhere on my posts saying that I admired him; just because someone agrees with an action that does not equate them being head over heals or idolizing those that committed them. And going on your logic, all of the following should not be admired due to their actions: GOD, presidents, religion, police officers... If there is hard evidence brought to light of a police department covering things up or using excessive force beyond of what is required or anything that proves wrong doing on their part, do you really think they will be brought to justice most of the time? |
| Donna13 19.02.2013 18:02 |
It is nothing to do with logic. It is good vs. evil. Condoning or agreeing with the actions of a murderer is evil. It is also cowardly and stupid. This murderer did not achieve anything by his actions that would do anything to stop corruption. He just was mentally ill. Nothing in his manifesto will ever have credibility because if someone is crazy enough to go around shooting people or to agree with the idea of shooting people, it means that they lose all respectability and they have no honor or believability as a person of good character anymore. Therefore, anything in his manifesto will be ignored as the ramblings of a crazy person. All his opinions will be meaningless with respect to any improvements he wanted. If he had been smart and brave, and sane, he would have taken legal action against the department. |
| inu-liger 19.02.2013 22:19 |
greaserkat wrote:Wow, you are nothing short of outstandingly ignorant on this matter. The impression I'm getting from your remarks is that you are against having police authorities in existence, and you basically want them all dead.Donna13 wrote: "He wrote a manifesto about how the LAPD is corrupt and why he is doing what he's doing. I trully hope that what he is claiming is true..." -------------- Why? Are you saying that in your opinion, it was OK for him to go on a murder spree if his complaints were accurate? People can find stuff to complain about in any environment, but this does not give them a reason to run around killing people as a protest. My point: each person is an individual and they have individual reactions to stress, danger, war, public speaking, death of loved ones, sailing across an ocean, snow storms, illness, etc. Not everyone is changed into a state of serious mental illness by life's experiences. This guy may have been mentally ill for most of his life. This reminds me of suicide. When someone kills themselves, often there is a trigger event, such as a romantic relationship ending or the death of a loved one or the loss of a job. But those events did not create the mental illness that led to the decision to commit suicide.The only victims, in my opinion, that were not OK to have been in his murder spree were those that were not cops... |
| magicalfreddiemercury 20.02.2013 06:28 |
greaserkat wrote: The only victims, in my opinion, that were not OK to have been in his murder spree were those that were not cops...You know, I saw this comment yesterday and honestly believed it was simply conversation bait. I didn't think it was a true point of view. Please tell us it's not, greaserkat... |
| greaserkat 20.02.2013 11:07 |
I honestly do take it all back. It was one of does weeks when you're just pissed off at everything, and you just want everyone to fuck off. Looking back at it, I guess I shouldn't have posted anything to begin with. The tragic thing about all this is that there are 5 people dead including the killer when there could have been zero if he was helped from the very beginning when he started showing signs of PTSD |
| inu-liger 21.02.2013 14:39 |
Might be a good idea to just go back and delete the topic by erasing all your posts in here |
| thomasquinn 32989 22.02.2013 08:17 |
mooghead wrote: "Every single person who has ever joined or will ever join the army has been and will be damaged in the process. You can't train a person to kill (on command) and expect him/her to remain a balanced, healthy individual." Wow... that is a very bold statement... everyone, without exception, who used to be in the army, is unstable.. An astounding thing to say...You really need to learn to read a little better. I don't say that they are all completely unstable, I say that they are all, to some extent, damaged, and that being trained to kill threatens your mental health. This is the same problem you and I have in the atheism topic - you read something, and instead of responding to what is written, you come up with deductions on the basis of what you see written, and respond to those deductions, which are yours, not those of the person to whom you believe to be responding. I don't think this is a matter of ill will on your behalf, but I do think it's a flaw in your analytical reading. |
| Heavenite 22.02.2013 19:30 |
greaserkat wrote: I honestly do take it all back. It was one of does weeks when you're just pissed off at everything, and you just want everyone to fuck off. Looking back at it, I guess I shouldn't have posted anything to begin with. The tragic thing about all this is that there are 5 people dead including the killer when there could have been zero if he was helped from the very beginning when he started showing signs of PTSDYep, you're right to admit it though. Saying it's OK to go killing people because the LAPD is corrupt is a definte no no! Having said that, I heard they were going to investigate the manner of that guy's sacking because if there are things that could have been done better, then the LAPD should still learn from them to minimise the risks of someone else who is unhinged doing a similar thing. The other thing they gotta do in The States is take as many guns out of circulation as possible. It's too easy for loonies to get hold of them and kill innocent people. We got rid of a lot of guns in Oz after the Port Arthur massacre in 1997. We then got rid of a lot of pistols after the shooting on a Victorian university campus. Our gun death rate is less than half of what if was before those two moves and we've had no massacres since either. Yet our death rate from guns is still around 4 times as high as the UK, so we're far from perfect. The other thing is that the gun deaths from suicide is the larger portion in the reduction in gun deaths since the changes to the laws were made. Not sure how those now undead people went with knives and rope....lol. Hopefully they just took another valium and got over it. |
| Saint Jiub 22.02.2013 21:12 |
thomasquinn 32989 wrote:"Every single person who will ever join the army ... will be damaged in the process. You can't ... expect him/her to remain a balanced, healthy individual."mooghead wrote: "Every single person who has ever joined or will ever join the army has been and will be damaged in the process. You can't train a person to kill (on command) and expect him/her to remain a balanced, healthy individual." Wow... that is a very bold statement... everyone, without exception, who used to be in the army, is unstable.. An astounding thing to say...You really need to learn to read a little better. I don't say that they are all completely unstable, I say that they are all, to some extent, damaged, and that being trained to kill threatens your mental health. This is the same problem you and I have in the atheism topic - you read something, and instead of responding to what is written, you come up with deductions on the basis of what you see written, and respond to those deductions, which are yours, not those of the person to whom you believe to be responding. I don't think this is a matter of ill will on your behalf, but I do think it's a flaw in your analytical reading. Here I thought my father and grandfather are fine admirable, people. I guess I was wrong. |