QueenZone discussion #1316533
[COVERS] ANNOUNCE: Queen Extravaganza - Edmonton, AB, Canada - 2012/07/03
| inu-liger 04.07.2012 05:54 |
QUEEN EXTRAVAGANZA Jubilee Auditorium, Edmonton, AB, Canada // 2012-07-03 Recorded on location by inu-liger (somewhere middle of Row Y - equivalent to 25th row - Floor Section Center) Lineage: Live sound output > Edirol R-09 (PCM @ 48/24 - internal mic-in) w/ a CoreMicro 32GB SDHC Class 10 Memory Card > PC via USB > GoldWave (editing out pre-concert/post-concert bits, track-splitting) > WAV > foobar2000 w/ flac.exe > Batch downconversion to 44.1/16 > FLAC Level 8 Quality: EX- Taper's Notes: Most unfortunately, thanks to the wonderful bank holiday that is Canada Day which loves to wreak havoc on the postal system, the SP-BMC-3 microphone set I was HOPING would arrive well in time for the show did unfortunately in fact NOT arrive on time...In fact as it turns out, in an ironic twist, it had just cleared Canadian customs minutes before the show started! So I had to improvise a slightly crude setup using just the Edirol recorder, vertically positioned in a chest pocket with just enough padding inserted to keep it from falling all the way inside. Although the quality still turned out good and is still quite enjoyable, it's not as clear as my recordings normally would turn out as per my usual standards, so I do apologize! - SETLIST: (singers in brackets) Intro (The Prophet's Song) We Will Rock You (Jeff) Tie Your Mother Down (Jeff) Now I’m Here (Yvan) Killer Queen (Marc) Love Of My Life (Marc) I Want It All (Jeff & Yvan) Bicycle Race (Jeff & Yvan) I Want To Break Free (Yvan) The March Of The Black Queen (Jennifer) Dragon Attack (Jeff) You Take My Breath Away (Yvan) Save Me (Jeff & Yvan) Crazy Little Thing Called Love (Marc) Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon (Marc) I’m In Love With My Car (Tyler) Bohemian Rhapsody (Marc & Jeff) Intro (Rock It (Prime Jive)) One Vision (Marc) A Kind Of Magic (Yvan) Don’t Stop Me Now (Marc & Jennifer) Under Pressure (Marc & Jeff) Who Wants To Live Forever (Jennifer) Another One Bites The Dust (Jennifer, Yvan & Jeff) You’re My Best Friend (Jennifer) In The Lap Of The Gods (Jennifer & Marc) In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited (Jennifer & Marc) Drum Solo (incorporating "Death On Two Legs") Liar (teaser) Stone Cold Crazy (Jeff) The Show Must Go On (Marc) Radio Ga Ga (Marc) Fat Bottomed Girls (Jeff) Somebody To Love (Marc) -encore- We Will Rock You (Yvan) We Are The Champions (Yvan & Marc) Enjoy! Do NOT re-upload and share this in lossy MP3 form! MP3's are only for your own personal (ab)use! |
| Batman04 04.07.2012 09:22 |
Thank You!!! |
| bokkepoot 04.07.2012 09:39 |
Thanks for sharing your recording. Great to see all needed info according the lineage and how things happened with your microphone. Great Work !!! |
| eYe 04.07.2012 10:11 |
Thank you very much! |
| NoOneButMe 04.07.2012 14:39 |
Thank you very much to share thant concert, by now it's the second one that is shared from the QE Tour as far as I know. Saludos. |
| MDNA 04.07.2012 14:49 |
Was wondering when you would post here. I'm downloading from Dime. Thanks for the show. Pity your mics didn't arrive in time. |
| inu-liger 04.07.2012 17:20 |
@ NoOneButMe: There will be a recording from the Detroit coming up later this week, I just received the masters not long ago and will be working on that when I have a chance. Also apparently going by a post on the QOL board there is also a recording from the Calgary show. Will attempt to see if I can get a hold of it as well. |
| MarkRW 04.07.2012 17:28 |
Thank you. |
| last-horizon 42265 05.07.2012 05:44 |
Thanks! :) |
| AdamMethos 05.07.2012 21:07 |
Thanks again! |
| cjpew 05.07.2012 23:21 |
Thank you :) |
| the dude 1366 06.07.2012 00:27 |
I was there. I also saw the Q AL concert on youtube the same day. Just the professionalism of Marc Martel and Jeff Scott Soto showed what a true amateur Adam Lambert is. There was no, "who wants to shke their fat asses" over and over again in that screech. So Queen show literally take Jeff scott Soto or the rocking songs and Martel could do the rest. |
| OwenSmith 15.07.2012 15:13 |
Why does this torrent not allow DHT or Peer Exchange? It is relying solely on the Queezone tracker, which given how unreliable it is is an extremely bad idea. |
| OwenSmith 15.07.2012 15:16 |
I see this was recorded in 48/24. Why not upload that as FLACs instead of converting it to 44.1/16? I'd far rather have the original bit depth and sample rate, not something that's been converted. |
| inu-liger 15.07.2012 17:02 |
@ OwenSmith: The reason is that not everyone automatically knows how to downsample xx/24 to 44.1/16 Also, some people unfortunately to this day also have issues playing 24-bit audio on some systems (usually of the older type) that can only process 16-bit audio It's a very common practice with bootlegs, mate |
| OwenSmith 15.07.2012 17:44 |
Why would I want to downsample it? I'd just play the 48/24 direct on my Squeezebox, it's a native format it supports. I could also play it on my Oppo 95 blu ray player over DLNA, again 48/24 is supported natively. EDIT: If you know you're going to distribute as 44.1 then why not record in it? I can see recording 24 bit and then reducing to 16 bit later to have less to worry about with recording levels, but surely you should be recording in the sample rate you intend to distribute at to avoid a sample rate conversion? |
| inu-liger 15.07.2012 23:12 |
I'm not going to get into an argument with you over this. I'll refer The Great Wizard to take over here... |
| OwenSmith 16.07.2012 02:17 |
I'm looking for an explanation not an argument. For example, will the equipment you have not record in 44.1? If it won't but you believe in distributing in 44.1 then that would be a reason for doing what you've done. Not a reason I'd particularly agree with, but a reason nontheless. |
| inu-liger 16.07.2012 04:00 |
How much more explanation do I have to give you?? Seriously dude, MOST people that download bootlegs want to be able to burn them to CD right off the bat, and not everyone has the capacity to deal with altering the samplerate. Basically in other words, it's more out of convenience for the general average users out there! |
| OwenSmith 16.07.2012 04:13 |
I didn't realise there are a significant number of people that burn them to CDs. Everyone I know (literally everyone) either plays them on something like the Squeezebox or on portable media players. CD has completely died in my circle of friends and acquantainces. |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2012 11:40 |
The CDR is becoming obsolete. Myself, I haven't burned a concert CDR in years. I back up my FLAC files to Japanese-made DVD-Rs. Guaranteed for life. I'm all in favour of maintaining quality as it was recorded, out of sheer principle. Most software can handle the various bit rates and sample rates now. It's becoming the norm. But the iPood only understands 16/44 WAV files, so it's a bit of a chore to do the conversion if you want to listen to something on the road. So it's admirable on some level to consider those who do still want the standard 16/44, for CDR or otherwise. But similar to the FLAC/MP3 situation, if someone wants to do dither it down, ideally it should come down to choice. Sharing in 16/44 eliminates that choice. Weedwacker has solved this problem on Dime - he shares both. There, I'm not picking any sides :-) |
| OwenSmith 16.07.2012 11:57 |
I wasn't asking anyone to take sides. I was simply trying to find out why the share is in 16/44.1 when the recording was in 24/48. I note the phrase "a properly dithered down 16/44". Sharing the 24/48 eliminates any possible problems with the dithering. The other equipment I know of which can only do 16/44.1 is the Sonos multi room wireless system. This is why I didn't buy it, I preferred the Squeezebox's flexibility. |
| OwenSmith 16.07.2012 12:01 |
Queenzone's gone mad! I've received 20 emails in the last two minutes saying this thread has been updated (all pointing at Real Wizard's posting). And the web site hasn't even ticked the box saying I'm subscribed to this thread! |
| The Real Wizard 16.07.2012 13:25 |
Welcome to Queenzone - bugs and all. These days it's pretty much just the bugs. |
| TheVisibleMan 29.07.2012 11:58 |
thank you very much |
| OwenSmith 09.08.2012 10:12 |
I've now listened to this and it's pretty darned good. All the singers are considerably better than Adam Lambert. I just wish they'd let the woman (Jennifer Espinoza?) sing lead on more songs, I've always thought that Freddie's vocal range suits a contralto. The guitarist(s) was probably the weakest here, but serviceable. The drummer is good and the bass player seems better than most of the replacements Queen have used for John Deacon. It was also nice to not have half the songs drowned out by Spike Edney's synths. The Q+AL "Love of my Life" was ruined by synths all the way through, it's supposed to be a duet between singer(s) (including the audience) and Brian in a Queen concert (though Extravangza play it like the album version). It did take me a few tracks to accept the fact that Extravaganza is not an attempt to replicate a Queen concert and most of the tracks are more like the album versions. But once I'd mentally accepted that I really got into it. And there were at least a few sing alongs. I was disappointed in the setlist only for the lack of I Want to Break Free and the National Anthem at the end. Otherwise the set list is fantastic, shame Black Queen and Liar were only tasters. The audio quality is a bit spoiled by very heavy bass with some boom (probably the recorder's position in the hall) and some obvious gain pumping. Presumably that's some sort of limiter on the recording device, and the recorder does document that he had to improvise the mics. But it's still better than many 70s and 80s era tapes and much better than not having the concert. Thank you! PS. Are Extravaganza coming to the UK? I'd rather see this than Q+AL (which I didn't see). |
| AdamMethos 09.08.2012 19:33 |
I Want to Break Free was on the setlist. Did you mix it up with another song? Seven Seas of Rhye was done at a few of the early concerts but it was replaced with The Show Must Go On. I have heard murmurings that Roger wants to take QE to Europe but I have no idea whether the source is someone in a position to know or just fan wishful thinking. Jeff Scott Soto (one of the QE singers) said in an interview that his theory is that Roger wanted to start QE in the U.S. because he knew it would be a harder sell given Queen's history in the U.S., and that if QE is successful in the U.S., Roger figures that it will be an even bigger hit internationally. For audio quality, check out the QE Philly concert which was also posted here. That's the best quality QE bootleg I've heard so far! |
| OwenSmith 11.08.2012 18:50 |
I'll look for the Philly concert, thanks for the tip. I may have been wrong about I Want to Break Free not being in, I see it's on the set list. It's pretty early, I was still getting my head round what this was about at that point. |