| mickyparise 10.03.2012 20:43 |
Adam Lambert says he and the members of Queen haven't discussed the possibility of playing dates in the U.S. "It's just that one date at Sonisphere and the warm-up gig in Russia," Adam said Friday at a radio-station event in Nashville. The two acts are playing together June 30 in Moscow and July 7 in England, with Lambert filling the frontman spot left vacant by the Freddie Mercury's death in 1991. "Maybe we'll be able to do, like, a special night somewhere here, I don't know," he said during an interview with 107.5 The River on-air personality Intern Adam. "But there's no plan. There hasn't even been talk of that, so don't get your hopes up." Adam says he'll do a lot of rehearsing with the band before those shows. "I've got my work cut out for me," he says. "I know the songs, but I don't know them all by heart, so I'm going to have to practice. But it's going to totally fun. I'm going to learn a lot from it, I think." Adam doesn't look at his role in the shows as replacing Mercury. "I'm there to sing music that he and the band wrote," he says. "It's not about imitation. It's not about doing an impression. It's, like, doing it my way in a way that, in my head, he would like. And Brian (May) and Roger (Taylor) are there to give me the green light or the red light." Nor will he being trying to mimic Mercury. "I'm not a mimicker," he says. "I'm my own artist. But he has inspired me. Hopefully, it will come from a deep, organic place. But I'm not growing a mustache. I won't be singing the songs with a British accent. ... I don't want to disrespect his memory and his legacy by getting up there and goofing on it." Plus, he adds, "I can't wait to find out what my outfit is." link |
| MadTheSwine73 10.03.2012 20:54 |
Oh God... |
| beautifulsoup 10.03.2012 22:04 |
Please let there not be a studio CD, either. |
| fr1986 11.03.2012 03:11 |
i hope that never materialize, otherwise we are at the beginning of another future queen++ dvd/cd release. i beg it does not happen |
| e-man 11.03.2012 09:10 |
they've taken the Queen brand to a new low. some us dates won't make a difference |
| Russian Headlong 11.03.2012 13:46 |
Let's hope the ones in England and Russia don't materialise! If Roger wants a vocalist what was the point of the Extravaganza, one of those what have been better than that mincing drama Queen Lambert. |
| Vocal harmony 11.03.2012 14:35 |
As with Paul Rodgers, they don't want a Freddie sound alike. So they don't need any vocalists from the Extravaganza show. Get over it. If you don't like the idea, don't go! |
| Scofflaw 11.03.2012 16:02 |
If Brian and Roger had any integrity, they would have just packed it in back in 1991 and started their own group, and named it anything other than Queen. They have now sold out on every level: Dr. Pepper ads, Rock Band, commercials with Muppets, etc... I'm really dreading Lambert's "interpretation" of Freddie's songs. It will probably will include a lot of horrific stylistist choices including screaming, goat vibrato, caterwauling, and riffs that just don't belong. Plus, when he gets nervous, he tends to just go off the rails altogether. Should be a train wreck. |
| GratefulFan 11.03.2012 16:13 |
Adam Lambert said: "It's just that one date at Sonisphere and the warm-up gig in Russia"I think he meant to say warning gig. |
| Donna13 11.03.2012 17:35 |
I don't understand why he would refer to the Russia gig as a warm-up. It seems pretty arbitrary to me to do a concert in Russia first. Do other groups do this? |
| Toon_86 11.03.2012 17:37 |
Jeez, I just don't understand some fans. Would you prefer they didn't tour with Paul Rodgers, perhaps didn't coroborate with anyone? Who would you prefer they sing with? Bowie? George Michael? Annie Lennox? Or sit at home with a pipe and slippers? I don't always agree with the choices, but you know what, I love still seeing them live, singing the classic songs they wrote, that Freddie sang with heart and emotion, but he isn't here anymore. Its been 20+ years now, get over it. Everything needs to move on. Give the kid a chance FFS. |
| Russian Headlong 11.03.2012 17:41 |
If i was going to sonisphere it would to be to see kiss and the darkness. if pr was singing id go, but not interested with lambert. bri and rog have lost the plot. |
| MERQRY 11.03.2012 18:15 |
I won't be singing the songs with a British accentWhere is he from?? -- i never noticed a STRONG british acent in Freddie's Queen songs (maybe live, his speeches was very London-ish acent ha ha).. well i know i'm not a native speaker but i always hear how freddie said the word "Love" in a "strange" way... maybe cause he wasn't born on england... |
| GratefulFan 11.03.2012 18:18 |
Toon_86 wrote: Jeez, I just don't understand some fans. Would you prefer they didn't tour with Paul Rodgers, perhaps didn't coroborate with anyone? Who would you prefer they sing with? Bowie? George Michael? Annie Lennox? Or sit at home with a pipe and slippers? I don't always agree with the choices, but you know what, I love still seeing them live, singing the classic songs they wrote, that Freddie sang with heart and emotion, but he isn't here anymore. Its been 20+ years now, get over it. Everything needs to move on. Give the kid a chance FFS. Adam Lambert is not an unknown quantity. FFS. He, as Paula Abdul said, "dared to dance in the path of greatness" all over television for 5 or 6 eye rolling months in 2009. He was given the glory spot on the AMAs shortly after that, where he was aurally and visually wretched. He participated in the AI tour in the same year. He had is own tour. He put out an album. There are videos. He has performed Queen material and performed with Queen twice. What chance would you have people who simply don't like or respect his sound or his artistic choices give him? The chance to go back to the womb and try it all over again? What? He'd have to be a completely different singer than he's been for any of the years for which we have a record for me to look towards these dates with anything but disappointment ranging to dread. My favourite band is about to play a rare live show and I"m almost certainly going to feel nothing for those songs. Can all you people with the questionable taste and questionable standards for rock and roll just let the people who are disappointed be disappointed? Really. Enough is enough. Nobody is analyzing you. |
| beautifulsoup 11.03.2012 20:19 |
Scofflaw wrote: If Brian and Roger had any integrity, they would have just packed it in back in 1991 and started their own group, and named it anything other than Queen. They have now sold out on every level: Dr. Pepper ads, Rock Band, commercials with Muppets, etc... I'm really dreading Lambert's "interpretation" of Freddie's songs. It will probably will include a lot of horrific stylistist choices including screaming, goat vibrato, caterwauling, and riffs that just don't belong. Plus, when he gets nervous, he tends to just go off the rails altogether. Should be a train wreck. Yep, he serves himself instead of the music. IMO, YMMV, etc, etc... |
| Vocal harmony 11.03.2012 21:08 |
Instead of ripping Adam Laberts singing ability apart, and questioning Brian and Roger's choice and reasoning, shoulding everyone just step back and reserve judgment until the first show in Moscow. All any of us have heard or seen is an appearance on a talent show and a short, less than 10 minutes on a TV program. A fully rehearsed two hour show might allow us a different view of his ability. Time will tell. As far as the view that Brian and Roger should have formed a new band in 92. Well I'm guessing this new band would have been touring Queen songs, and so would have come under fire for trying to be Queen. . . . Catch 22 maybe? |
| GratefulFan 11.03.2012 21:31 |
beautifulsoup wrote: Yep, he serves himself instead of the music. IMO, YMMV, etc, etc... That's really well put. It can be difficult to find the words to describe the things that are wrong or missing when there is significant technical ability and power and range and an undeniable natural gift. Can't wait to see the crackerjack sensibilities at about 3:54 in the ballad "Broken Open' applied to Love of My Life. And for the accent people above he inexplicably elects to sound like a Babushka at about 4:05. Should go over well in Russia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pkxo-tRR_g |
| GratefulFan 11.03.2012 21:40 |
Donna13 wrote: I don't understand why he would refer to the Russia gig as a warm-up. It seems pretty arbitrary to me to do a concert in Russia first. Do other groups do this? I think it's wise and prudent. Adam has absolutely zero experience soloing for stadium sized crowds and the only shows he's fronted for two hours thus far have largely been for adoring middle aged women at 2000 seat theatres. This is an incredible leap of faith and an opportunity to shake his nerves off at a smaller show with somewhat less pressure can only help. Is there some benefit to do it in Russia specifically? Don't know, but perhaps receptive audiences and lesser media there offer some advantages. |
| Doga 11.03.2012 21:49 |
Do it in Russia maybe is an a idea of Brian or Roger, they feel bad for not playing in that country with Freddie (the goberment don't let). Remember how exited they were in the first gigs of the Cosmos Tour with the gigs in Russia and Ukraine. Oh, and the venue is the biggest indoor arena in Europe, so is not a small crowd. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 11.03.2012 22:18 |
GratefulFan, we live in the same city, we share the same beliefs in Queen, if I weren't happily married I'd be asking for your hand in marriage as your intelligence is supreme :) |
| Sheer Brass Neck 11.03.2012 22:24 |
There's another thread about TMLWKY and someone on YouTube commented Seriously, I'd just watched the tribute show and I bawled when Brian sang this -Poor him, he was almost crying Dx I know? I was, anyway." Yep, me too. Brian probably has a tenth of Adam Lambert's range, but he can do more with one note as a singer than AL can do with a song. Freddie could do more with a phrase than AL can do with a catalogue. AL may have a great voice. So does/did Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion etc. None of their shit moves me. Brian has lost the plot so badly he doesn't even know what the movie is. |
| Senna 12.03.2012 08:45 |
Watch out the sound police are back. |
| scottmax 12.03.2012 08:49 |
To be honest i wouldn't expect any more British dates either. I sent jacky a message on Twitter and she replied saying they're waiting to see how these gigs go before doing anything else so....... |
| GratefulFan 12.03.2012 10:20 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: GratefulFan, we live in the same city, we share the same beliefs in Queen, if I weren't happily married I'd be asking for your hand in marriage as your intelligence is supreme :) Ha. Odd isn't it, how people who agree with us in life are always cracking brilliant. :) I liked the YouTube comments you posted - very apt - but actually think Lambert should sing TMLWKY. Those two deserve each other. |
| GratefulFan 12.03.2012 10:22 |
Senna wrote: Watch out the sound police are back. No worries. They're just here to pick up the thought police. I think they play basketball on Mondays or something. ;) |
| Donna13 12.03.2012 10:54 |
So has the gig in Russia sold out yet? And if anyone knows, how many people would there be at that show? |
| Vocal harmony 12.03.2012 11:29 |
This thread is becoming a little strange. A lot of people are running Adam Laberts ability into the ground. . . May be some of you should remember, Freddie was far from perfect on some nights, and in fact Paul Rodgers probably did a better job per number of shows than Freddie. Freddie's voice would quite often go sharp and sometimes crack completely. If you don't like Adam Lambert, so what, it's just another version of Queen which no body is being forced to witness or listen too. Funny that some people are willing to watch Kiss, only two original members, but not Queen! |
| Holly2003 12.03.2012 11:35 |
Vocal harmony wrote: If you don't like Adam Lambert, so what, it's just another version of Queen which no body is being forced to witness or listen too. That's about the 5th time you've made that same point. Basically it's just another way of trying to stop a conversation you don't like. |
| Donna13 12.03.2012 11:41 |
Oh good. I'm glad somebody is keeping track of how often people here make the same point. |
| Holly2003 12.03.2012 11:52 |
Donna13 wrote: Oh good. I'm glad somebody is keeping track of how often people here make the same point. That's the first time you've said that ;) |
| Gregsynth 12.03.2012 13:30 |
Vocal harmony wrote: This thread is becoming a little strange. A lot of people are running Adam Laberts ability into the ground. . . May be some of you should remember, Freddie was far from perfect on some nights, and in fact Paul Rodgers probably did a better job per number of shows than Freddie. Freddie's voice would quite often go sharp and sometimes crack completely. If you don't like Adam Lambert, so what, it's just another version of Queen which no body is being forced to witness or listen too. Funny that some people are willing to watch Kiss, only two original members, but not Queen! Paul was a more consistent live singer than Freddie (if we're comparing Freddie's era to the Queen + Paul Rodgers era). Freddie's live pitch was great, but Adam CANNOT keep in tune live (which is one of my main criticisms of him). He screams almost all of his higher notes (as opposed to Freddie/Paul singing them), and has an uncontrolled "goat" vibrato. Both of his previous performances with Brian/Roger were awful. |
| Vocal harmony 12.03.2012 14:18 |
The point is I'm not by any stretch of the imagination an Adam Lambert fan. But I'm willing to give him a chance. How many times does anyone have to say he's crap to make a point! |
| GratefulFan 12.03.2012 15:18 |
As many times as any individual finds it worthwhile to do so I suppose. You can't see the difference between putting forward a critical assessment of an artist and directing some version of "so what" or "get over it" or "move on" at that criticism? The former is conversation. The latter is trying to shut it down, or at the very least arbitrarily devaluing it. Again: nobody is chasing your opinion down and trying to pathologize it. Consider returning the favour. |
| Senna 12.03.2012 18:46 |
I said it before if they want to play their songs with whoever, well fair enough, let's all enjoy it while we can. Tomorrow they might give it all up, would we be any happier? |
| Vocal harmony 12.03.2012 21:34 |
Gratefulfan. This doesn't stop being a conversation because of the style of reply I choose to write. If I wish to air an opinion, then I am perfectly entitled to do so. Just as you, or anyone else is. However none of us have the right to be critical of the way a point is put forward, unless it is vindictive and personal. In amongst the critical assessment of Adam Lambert you must have some idea of who you think should front Queen. We are both not fans of the bands current choice but we have different opinions of how to view the situation. So given that Mr Rodgers has run his course, who would your current choice be? |
| Sheer Brass Neck 12.03.2012 21:45 |
But if the discussion is AL is not suited vocally (and other ways) to front Queen, then GratefulFan's point is that AL is not suited vocally (and other ways) based on two less than stellar performances WITH Queen. Why does it matter who we think should front Queen when the discussion is who shouldn't? |
| martin0113 13.03.2012 06:54 |
Adam says he knows the songs...................aaaah does that mean he knows Mustapha Need your Lovin Tonight Orge Battle fUN IT Dead on Time etc etc No Adam it means you know the greatest hits Is that what we want to see from this collaboration or should they delve into the archives and try songs that were NEVER perform live |
| Vocal harmony 13.03.2012 08:20 |
Sheer Brass Neck. This thread was originally about Queen+AL not touring the US. It developed into a running down of Adam Lambert's vocal ability. Within that subject it is possible to have different views which we are free to write about. If your view of a conversation is that it can only have one side, that's up to you. My question was directed at GratfulFan since it was his post I was answering, I exercise the freedom to answer it however I choose. It's up to him to answer anything I ask, if he wishes too. However what gives you the right to direct, or try to direct or criticize the direction of anything on here |
| Queen4ever13 13.03.2012 15:41 |
Oh thank God! But don't go by anything he says, he wishes just the opposite. This jerk says don't get your hopes up that there's no talk of U.S. dates!! Ha he really is delusional thinking anyone is getting their hopes up to see or hear him sing! The biggest nightmare is that with any prompting Brian and Roger would go along with it. If they ever seriously decided on a permanent lead singer George Michael would do them justice or someone, anyone who's in their league. Come on Freddie didn't name them Queen to have it reduced to this laughing stock singing lead for them! |
| Queen4ever13 13.03.2012 15:48 |
Adele would make a better choice to sing Queen's songs over Lambert and she doesn't look the fool. |
| Queen4ever13 14.03.2012 11:28 |
Adam Lambert should stop passing the open window and jump out. |
| deleted user 14.03.2012 12:51 |
To me, Brian and Roger performing with Adam Lambert and calling themselves Queen is as ridiculous as Paul McCartney and Ringo performing with Katy Perry and calling themselves the Beatles. Freddie charmed you into loving every minute of his performance. It is not just about the voice (which he certainly had!), but about his entire personality, his style, his natural charm! He loved his audience and they loved him back. All 4 Queen members were incredibly talented, and complemented each other perfectly, but Freddie was the King of Queen. (or, THE Queen of Queen). Queen fans would be very very happy to just have Brian and Roger perform the Queen catalogue without any two bit pop star. |
| cmsdrums 14.03.2012 14:43 |
Brian and Roger have as much right to call themselves Queen as Daltrey and Townsend do themselves with The Who. Deep Purple, Whitesnake and Black Sabbath have been three of the worst offenders over the years - and don't even get me started on The Sugarbabes!! |
| deleted user 14.03.2012 14:46 |
Quote Adam Lambert should stop passing the open window and jump out. Love that comment! |
| john bodega 14.03.2012 14:51 |
Well they have the legal right, but to be honest every one of the bands you just mentioned is really a different case. It works for The Who because Roger and Pete are enough of the equation that they can at least do something compelling. As for Whitesnake - who the fuck cares about Whitesnake?? You could put 8 new members up there and no one would know the difference. |
| Vocal harmony 14.03.2012 17:50 |
If BM and RT hadn't been there for Freddie to join then Queen would have never existed. I would sugest that on this basis they have as much right as any combination of members to use the name. Can you imagine if it was John and Freddie who were in the position of Brian and Roger. . . . . |
| hot usa 14.03.2012 17:52 |
ok i love queen but no body can sing like freddie and never will yes its been 20 yrs but i like the old queen all the way up to his death and i like gary mullin and the works but it is queens choice for frontman as they said before no one will ever replace freddie and they have been true to there words all these years solet them rock and roll with who ever they know who they really are dont forget that fans. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 14.03.2012 21:05 |
Vocal Harmony, come on, try harder. "If BM and RT hadn't been there for Freddie to join then Queen would have never existed. I would sugest that on this basis they have as much right as any combination of members to use the name." It's got nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing to do with "right." Paul McCartney has the "right" to go out with Ringo Starr, the singer from The Mull of Kintyre Pub and Grill and John Lennon's housekeeper and call the band The Beatles. Since Robert Plant won't play along, Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones have the "right" to get the guy who programmed the Human League's drum machines to replace John Bonham, and get Britney Spears on (autotuned) vocals and call themselves Led Zeppelin. Do you really believe that anyone, ANYONE, would accept that combination as The Beatles or Led Zeppelin? If you do, I am posting in vain. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 14.03.2012 21:11 |
Vocal Harmony says: "If BM and RT hadn't been there for Freddie to join then Queen would have never existed. I would sugest that on this basis they have as much right as any combination of members to use the name." Brain May and the touring cast of WWRY Southeast Warsaw = Queen. Roger Taylor, Spike Edney, Inu Liger, someonewholovesadam and R2D2 = Queen. John Deacon, Errol Brown, Johnny Rotten, Eddie Van Halen, Todd Rundgren, Wolfgang Van Halen, Andrea Bocelli, Scary Spice, Banarama, Robert Plant, Bruce Spricgsteen and the entire Parliament/Funkadelic horn section and chick dancers = Queen. I am in for all of these shows. |
| Michael Allred 15.03.2012 09:37 |
Holly2003 wrote:Stop WHAT conversation? Everything you and that other dimwit post are just variations of the same bullshit as well. Look in the mirror before posting nonsense (assuming any of it is left after exposing it to your ugly mug.)Vocal harmony wrote: If you don't like Adam Lambert, so what, it's just another version of Queen which no body is being forced to witness or listen too.That's about the 5th time you've made that same point. Basically it's just another way of trying to stop a conversation you don't like. |
| Holly2003 15.03.2012 09:45 |
Michael Allred wrote:Really? Because the only thing I can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do.Holly2003 wrote:Stop WHAT conversation? Everything you and that other dimwit post are just variations of the same bullshit as well. Look in the mirror before posting nonsense (assuming any of it is left after exposing it to your ugly mug.)Vocal harmony wrote: If you don't like Adam Lambert, so what, it's just another version of Queen which no body is being forced to witness or listen too.That's about the 5th time you've made that same point. Basically it's just another way of trying to stop a conversation you don't like. Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise? |
| Vocal harmony 15.03.2012 11:15 |
Zebonka12 was the prison who questioned who had the right to perform under "the name" I used his post as a spring board for mine. Sheer Brass Neck you've taken it to another level. Replacing band members has always happened, it just so happened that Queen had a very stable line up. . . But even Freddie said that if he left the others would have the ability to replace him and carry on. Replacing a lead singer and Bass player is a lot different to filling a band with members that have no reason to be there. Yes I guess that was posted with a bit of humour, but if it wasn't . . . . . . Oh dear! |
| Queen4ever13 15.03.2012 12:13 |
The difference is that lead singer is hardest to replace. Freddie was in the mood to be modest with that comment, he knew how irreplaceable he was. You have to merit being the lead singer of Queen and the proven fact is that Lambert just doesn't cut it. |
| Vocal harmony 15.03.2012 15:23 |
Queen4ever 13 something for you to think about. Deep Purple, Van Halen, Journey, Marillion, Genisis, Pink Floyd. . . Plus many more. You need to get over the fact Freddie isn't around, so what, yes he was brilliant, but Freddie not being here doesn't add up to the end of the world or the band Most of the people at the Freddie tribute weren't really up to the job, but they got round it by choicing the right song for the right person and for the most part it was an enjoyable show. I would rather see Queen live than not at all, the audience's at the shows will be the best judge of good or bad. |
| Queen4ever13 15.03.2012 16:53 |
Are you that desperate to hear Brian and Roger or are you in love with Lambert? You should get over trying to justify a no-talent creepy wanna-be desperado trying to make a name for himself by making a laughing stock of what's left of a good band. I'm all for them continuing with someone who's talented and worthy of it, he looks like a clown and cannot sing Queen songs. |
| someonewholikesadam 15.03.2012 17:23 |
A-hole. Oh yeah. This goes out to queen4ever13. |
| Vocal harmony 15.03.2012 17:38 |
Queen4ever13 to answer your question. Niether. Are you in love with Freddie? Interesting you went off on another tagent! |
| Queen4ever13 16.03.2012 09:21 |
Proof that Lambert fans have no class as well. |
| Queen4ever13 16.03.2012 09:36 |
Of course I love Freddie! Just because we don't have filet mignon any more doesn't mean we have to eat scrap meat. Fans of Freddie's don't need to "forget about him" as you state, you're at odds an awful lot with anyone who doesn't like Lambert, hummm you seem to be a closet Lambert fan, come on out. |
| Vocal harmony 16.03.2012 13:18 |
Getting over the fact Freddie isn't around is not forgetting about him. I thought it strange that you asked if I loved Adam Lambert after I pointed out to you that their have been many instances where lead singers have been successfuly replaced. Was it that i had an answer to your comment that you werent expecting, mmmmm. As far as Adam Labert goes, no I'm not a fan, but I have an open mind to the possibilities that he may bring, and I'm willing to wait before I pass judgment |
| Queen4ever13 16.03.2012 13:59 |
Get over the fact Freddie isn't around, same thing. Your "dimplomatic" posts are all dictatorial, telling people what they need to do. And we don't need to wait for anything we've seen him bomb twice already, where have you been? Oh yeah in the closet. |
| GratefulFan 16.03.2012 14:44 |
Holly2003 wrote:Michael Allred wrote: Stop WHAT conversation? Everything you and that other dimwit post are just variations of the same bullshit as well. Look in the mirror before posting nonsense (assuming any of it is left after exposing it to your ugly mug.)Really? Because the only thing I can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do. Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise? Hint for Michael: You won't be able to. Like I noted in the other thread, zero discrimination or discernment for what people have actually said. Just that foul mouthed and incoherent shaking indignance over the fact that some people who aren't you won't stop typing when you want them to. I on the other hand have been a fountain of Adam Lambert dimwittery. I like it! It's fun and educational. |
| GratefulFan 16.03.2012 15:09 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Gratefulfan. This doesn't stop being a conversation because of the style of reply I choose to write. If I wish to air an opinion, then I am perfectly entitled to do so. Just as you, or anyone else is. However none of us have the right to be critical of the way a point is put forward, unless it is vindictive and personal. In amongst the critical assessment of Adam Lambert you must have some idea of who you think should front Queen. We are both not fans of the bands current choice but we have different opinions of how to view the situation. So given that Mr Rodgers has run his course, who would your current choice be? So the answer then is no: you don't perceive the difference between making a personal judgement about an artist and telling people they should jettison those thoughts because they're not important or relevant to you. Gotcha. Expect then to be frequently ignored. Ironic as well that it seems to be from a position of ignorance that you're projecting on to everybody else. North Americans in particular have been steeped in this guy for three years now. You've apparently only seen him in an appearance on a talent show and for less than 10 minutes performing Queen (your words), and then make the lousy assumption that your experience is everybody's experience. It's not my job to figure out the right frontman for Queen. It's their job. And failing a miracle or enough good judgement and influence from somebody who can make Lambert into a singer of significantly different instincts for this gig they almost certainly will have done a poor one in the eyes of some long time fans. My expectations really couldn't be any lower. All they can really do is exceed them. So I have that to look forward to. |
| GratefulFan 16.03.2012 15:13 |
Vocal harmony wrote: My question was directed at GratfulFan since it was his post I was answering... Her post. I hate to interrupt a thread for something as insignificant as gender reassignment, but if I let it go 20 more people will be referring to me in the masculine and it just gets confusing for people. |
| Vocal harmony 16.03.2012 15:41 |
Get out of the closet blah blah if that's the best you have to say I think you're the one hiding something. All anyone has seen is a talent show appearance and an awards show appearance. Niether had in depth long rehearsal time. So if that's what you want to base your judgment on then it's up to you, but it may be rather short sighted to do so. Dictatorial and diplomatic don't go hand in hand, it's one or the other. Maybe you're viewing this from the point view that you may not be totally right in the arguments you put forward. The easiest thing to do is to hurl loosely veiled insults |
| Queen4ever13 16.03.2012 15:48 |
You've got a lot of enemies on here, think you should stay in the closet where you belong, lol. |
| Queen4ever13 16.03.2012 15:51 |
If you need it spelled out "d i p l o m a t i c" is what you think you are, it was meant to be sarcastic, you're not too swift. |
| Vocal harmony 16.03.2012 16:39 |
GratefulFan please excapt my apology for the mistake x As far as Adam Lambert goes, I am aware of some of the things he has done over the past three years, and I am aware of his apparent short comings as a Queen vocalist, but I am also aware that given time to work on what he has, I believe he could surprise those who doubt. He has a huge range but just has to learn how to use it and control his vibrato. Brian And Roger must have heard something in his voice. |
| Michael Allred 16.03.2012 16:50 |
Holly2003 wrote: Really? Because the only thing I can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do. Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? |
| Michael Allred 16.03.2012 16:55 |
GratefulFan wrote: I on the other hand have been a fountain of dimwittery.Fixed. |
| Holly2003 16.03.2012 17:00 |
Michael Allred wrote:Holly2003 wrote: Really? Because the only thing I can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do. Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall giving Lambert the time of day never mind a load of abuse. But I don't have a photographic memory so maybe you would like to provide some examples of me "spouting crap" about Lambert "over and over"? |
| Vocal harmony 16.03.2012 17:04 |
Queen4ever 13. I would put it to you that your the "not to swift" one, as you've made it increasingly obvious that all you are capable of is insults. I don't believe I'm anymore diplomatic then anyone else, and Ive certainly not implied that I am. However if that is what you have read into what I have to say, then your sarcasm is wasted. As far as having enemies on here, are you telling me that because I have a view that you don't agree with this whole forum is going come round and burn my house down Why don't you lock your self away and come out when you mental age has surpassed the number that your name suggests |
| Queen4ever13 16.03.2012 17:24 |
You do repeatedly tell people what they should do but you don't like it when you're told. Everyone states their opinions but we don't knock each other like you repeated feel compelled to do. Why do we need to get over Freddie's death? Is that comment called for or others you make to members on what they should do? Yeah I've been a little tough on you. You seem to be coming around a little with apologies but your record is stil broken. Lighten up my U.K. friend. |
| queenUSA 16.03.2012 17:56 |
Vocal harmony wrote: As far as Adam Lambert goes, I am aware of some of the things he has done over the past three years, and I am aware of his apparent short comings as a Queen vocalist, but I am also aware that given time to work on what he has, I believe he could surprise those who doubt. He has a huge range but just has to learn how to use it and control his vibrato. Brian And Roger must have heard something in his voice.Vocal Harmony ... I agree. Someone said the songs will be meaningless if AL sings them and that is too bad. We are all human beings walking this Earth and I have a feeling by the time of the gig the songs will mean alot to AL and that will come across big time because the song meanings are personally coming true for him ... consider: "I've done my sentence ... but committed no crime. And at mistakes ... I've made a few. I've had my share of sand kicked in my face ... but I'd come through" When he sings "I'd come through" he needs to be committed to nailing it! What other songs will be meaningful by then? IWTBF UP TSMGO I hope he totally nails all of it!! So all you meanies out there with your mean streak set on high - get ready. This show is going to rock! Adam CAN do it. |
| Michael Allred 16.03.2012 19:03 |
Holly2003 wrote:So now it's not only a denial but a demand that I prove what you have said countless times because you can't remember? WTF?Michael Allred wrote:I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall giving Lambert the time of day never mind a load of abuse. But I don't have a photographic memory so maybe you would like to provide some examples of me "spouting crap" about Lambert "over and over"?Holly2003 wrote:Really? Because the only thing I can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do.Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? |
| Michael Allred 16.03.2012 19:14 |
Queen4ever13 wrote: You do repeatedly tell people what they should do but you don't like it when you're told. Everyone states their opinions but we don't knock each other like you repeated feel compelled to do. Why do we need to get over Freddie's death? Is that comment called for or others you make to members on what they should do? Yeah I've been a little tough on you. You seem to be coming around a little with apologies but your record is stil broken. Lighten up my U.K. friend.and when you suggest that Adam Lambert commit suicide, that's ok then? |
| Vocal harmony 16.03.2012 21:08 |
That's freedom of speech, but freedom of speech only sits well with some people if they every one is saying the same as them! |
| Sheer Brass Neck 16.03.2012 21:23 |
Michael Allred wrote: I on the other hand have been a Niagara Falls of dimwittery.Fixed :) Why are you so earnest about this Michael? It's almost like you have a personal stake in this, like a Catholic who is against abortion. Some people are just not going to be happy unless Freddie comes back from the dead to front Queen. Even then they'd be pissed that he's lost weight and his hair went grey after being dead for 20 plus years. But some passionate fans think that Adam Lambert is a bad fit and they've listed the reasons. Can't those reasons be valid in your eyes, or are we all close minded Freddie necrophiliacs? |
| Holly2003 17.03.2012 03:14 |
Michael Allred wrote:Holly2003 wrote:So now it's not only a denial but a demand that I prove what you have said countless times because you can't remember? WTF?Michael Allred wrote:I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall giving Lambert the time of day never mind a load of abuse. But I don't have a photographic memory so maybe you would like to provide some examples of me "spouting crap" about Lambert "over and over"?Holly2003 wrote:Really? Because the only thingI can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do.Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? What the fuck indeed. You are the one who made the allegation so it's your responsibility to provide some evidence to support it. I've given you three opportunites to do that now. |
| uef 17.03.2012 05:22 |
I'm happy to say I'll be at the front row at Knebworth. Fuck the haters, you're all vile. :-) |
| someonewholikesadam 17.03.2012 09:44 |
Most of what everyone does on those forum is fight and hurl insults. Such a negative place. All the good karma is at the Adam Lambert fan sites. Oh, yeah and queen4ever13 or whatever your name is, I have plenty of class. I just speak the truth. |
| Gregsynth 17.03.2012 11:07 |
link VS link This is the EMA 2011 version of Champions compared with Live Aid. Sorry, Freddie is the only one who can sing this song. Adam fails to hit the correct notes (and sucked on his other two performances during the EMAs), and yells/wails out notes. |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 14:43 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Why are you so earnest about this Michael? It's almost like you have a personal stake in this, like a Catholic who is against abortion. Some people are just not going to be happy unless Freddie comes back from the dead to front Queen. Even then they'd be pissed that he's lost weight and his hair went grey after being dead for 20 plus years. But some passionate fans think that Adam Lambert is a bad fit and they've listed the reasons. Can't those reasons be valid in your eyes, or are we all close minded Freddie necrophiliacs?Oh you're definitely right that some people are never pleased. Which is why I find it so funny (and easy) to mock them. It's not personal, I have no emotional investment in it or them. |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 14:44 |
Holly2003 wrote:LoL. It's like a serial killer denying they've killed nobody despite the body parts that litter their apartment.Michael Allred wrote:What the fuck indeed. You are the one who made the allegation so it's your responsibility to provide some evidence to support it. I've given you three opportunites to do that now.Holly2003 wrote:So now it's not only a denial but a demand that I prove what you have said countless times because you can't remember? WTF?Michael Allred wrote:I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall giving Lambert the time of day never mind a load of abuse. But I don't have a photographic memory so maybe you would like to provide some examples of me "spouting crap" about Lambert "over and over"?Holly2003 wrote:Really? Because the only thingI can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do.Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 14:46 |
Gregsynth wrote: link is the EMA 2011 version of Champions compared with Live Aid. Sorry, Freddie is the only one who can sing this song. Adam fails to hit the correct notes (and sucked on his other two performances during the EMAs), and yells/wails out notes.and what is the "correct" note? Did Freddie hit the "correct" note every time he sang? or is a live performance an organic thing that....oh fuck it. Living in a bubble suits you. |
| Holly2003 17.03.2012 14:58 |
Michael Allred wrote:Holly2003 wrote:LoL. It's like a serial killer denying they've killed nobody despite the body parts that litter their apartment.Michael Allred wrote:What the fuck indeed. You are the one who made the allegation so it's your responsibility to provide some evidence to support it. I've given you three opportunites to do that now.Holly2003 wrote:So now it's not only a denial but a demand that I prove what you have said countless times because you can't remember? WTF?Michael Allred wrote:I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall giving Lambert the time of day never mind a load of abuse. But I don't have a photographic memory so maybe you would like to provide some examples of me "spouting crap" about Lambert "over and over"?Holly2003 wrote:Really? Because the only thingI can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do.Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? So I've given you three chances now to support what you've claimed and you can't do it. Dear oh dear lol. |
| Holly2003 17.03.2012 15:05 |
Michael Allred wrote:Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Why are you so earnest about this Michael? It's almost like you have a personal stake in this, like a Catholic who is against abortion. Some people are just not going to be happy unless Freddie comes back from the dead to front Queen. Even then they'd be pissed that he's lost weight and his hair went grey after being dead for 20 plus years. But some passionate fans think that Adam Lambert is a bad fit and they've listed the reasons. Can't those reasons be valid in your eyes, or are we all close minded Freddie necrophiliacs?Oh you're definitely right that some people are never pleased. Which is why I find it so funny (and easy) to mock them. It's not personal, I have no emotional investment in it or them. Another lie. You clearly are emotionally investment in Lambert. You made that obvious in a previous thread when you claimed he was a role model for gay kids. And it's clear now in your near hysterical response to criticism of Lambert. But liars always have trouble keeping their stories straight. Especially not particularly bright ones, like you. |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 15:41 |
Holly2003 wrote:Look through your own fucking posts lazy ass.Michael Allred wrote:So I've given you three chances now to support what you've claimed and you can't do it. Dear oh dear lol.Holly2003 wrote:LoL. It's like a serial killer denying they've killed nobody despite the body parts that litter their apartment.Michael Allred wrote:What the fuck indeed. You are the one who made the allegation so it's your responsibility to provide some evidence to support it. I've given you three opportunites to do that now.Holly2003 wrote:So now it's not only a denial but a demand that I prove what you have said countless times because you can't remember? WTF?Michael Allred wrote:I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall giving Lambert the time of day never mind a load of abuse. But I don't have a photographic memory so maybe you would like to provide some examples of me "spouting crap" about Lambert "over and over"?Holly2003 wrote:Really? Because the only thingI can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do.Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 15:43 |
Holly2003 wrote: Another lie. You clearly are emotionally investment in Lambert. You made that obvious in a previous thread when you claimed he was a role model for gay kids. And it's clear now in your near hysterical response to criticism of Lambert. But liars always have trouble keeping their stories straight. Especially not particularly bright ones, like you.LoL. Keep trying. You can't even remember your own posts yet you seem to remember everything I say. Odd. Lambert can be a role model so how do you tie that in with me making an emotional investment? Since your memory is shoddy, I defended the Q+PR thing as well. I guess that means I want to give Rodgers a big wet blowjob eh? |
| GratefulFan 17.03.2012 15:50 |
My memory is pretty good. Here's all I can recall Holly saying, heavily paraphrased, and over one or two posts: "He can hit (some of) the notes, but it just doesn't sound good. Reminds me a little of Sebastian Bach. It doesn't do anything for me, but I understand that others like it." That's what you're having a breakdown over. It's ridiculous. So overinvested. So entitled. |
| Holly2003 17.03.2012 16:06 |
Michael Allred wrote:Holly2003 wrote:Look through your own fucking posts lazy ass.Michael Allred wrote:So I've given you three chances now to support what you've claimed and you can't do it. Dear oh dear lol.Holly2003 wrote:LoL. It's like a serial killer denying they've killed nobody despite the body parts that litter their apartment.Michael Allred wrote:What the fuck indeed. You are the one who made the allegation so it's your responsibility to provide some evidence to support it. I've given you three opportunites to do that now.Holly2003 wrote:So now it's not only a denial but a demand that I prove what you have said countless times because you can't remember? WTF?Michael Allred wrote:I honestly don't know what you're talking about. I don't recall giving Lambert the time of day never mind a load of abuse. But I don't have a photographic memory so maybe you would like to provide some examples of me "spouting crap" about Lambert "over and over"?Holly2003 wrote:Really? Because the only thingI can remember saying specifically about Lambert and Queen is that I don't particularly like the sound of his voice but I accept others do.Now if you could stop behaving like a hysterical child for just a second, maybe you would like to try to prove me otherwise?Now you're going to pretend that you haven't been spouting the same crap over and over? Four times lol! |
| Holly2003 17.03.2012 16:08 |
Michael Allred wrote: I want to give Rodgers a big wet blowjob Whatever floats your boat. |
| Holly2003 17.03.2012 16:14 |
GratefulFan wrote: My memory is pretty good. Here's all I can recall Holly saying, heavily paraphrased, and over one or two posts: "He can hit (some of) the notes, but it just doesn't sound good. Reminds me a little of Sebastian Bach. It doesn't do anything for me, but I understand that others like it." That's what you're having a breakdown over. It's ridiculous. So overinvested. So entitled. To be fair, a few years ago I listened to his Idol performance with Queen and wasn't too impressed. However, I listened to it again and in a second post was less critical. And a few weeks ago I enquired (politely) how Lambert might be considered a role model. That's about it. Poor Michael has his knickers in a twist over nothing. But of course he has NO EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT! and is just too smart for us to understand his evil ways. Perhaps even now he's sitting in a hollowed out volcano stroking a white cat and planning his next move? Let me guess what it's going to be.. "Holly and Grateful fan are fucking fucks!" An evil genius indeed ... |
| Gregsynth 17.03.2012 16:28 |
Michael Allred wrote:Gregsynth wrote: link is the EMA 2011 version of Champions compared with Live Aid. Sorry, Freddie is the only one who can sing this song. Adam fails to hit the correct notes (and sucked on his other two performances during the EMAs), and yells/wails out notes.and what is the "correct" note? Did Freddie hit the "correct" note every time he sang? or is a live performance an organic thing that....oh fuck it. Living in a bubble suits you. Nice straw-man argument: Adam hits halfway between a B4 and a C5, and is off key throughout all three songs. Hitting notes a half step sharp is incorrect, vibratoing notes to 50 cents off is incorrect, and yelling random notes (that weren't originally in the song) is incorrect as well. Oh, you're just a Lambert fanboy--so that explains your lack of objectivity and musical knowledge. |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 16:35 |
GratefulFan wrote: My memory is pretty good. Here's all I can recall Holly saying, heavily paraphrased, and over one or two posts:"He can hit (some of) the notes, but it just doesn't sound good. Reminds me a little of Sebastian Bach. It doesn't do anything for me, but I understand that others like it."That's what you're having a breakdown over. It's ridiculous. So overinvested. So entitled.Entitled? Wow. That's fucking hilarious coming from you and the spoiled brat brigade. |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 16:36 |
Gregsynth wrote:Yup, that's me. Total Lambert fanboy. Hit the nail on the head with that one. Real fucking sherlock this one is. Go make another shit youtube vid.Michael Allred wrote:Nice straw-man argument: Adam hits halfway between a B4 and a C5, and is off key throughout all three songs. Hitting notes a half step sharp is incorrect, vibratoing notes to 50 cents off is incorrect, and yelling random notes (that weren't originally in the song) is incorrect as well.Oh, you're just a Lambert fanboy--so that explains your lack of objectivity and musical knowledge.Gregsynth wrote:link is the EMA 2011 version of Champions compared with Live Aid. Sorry, Freddie is the only one who can sing this song. Adam fails to hit the correct notes (and sucked on his other two performances during the EMAs), and yells/wails out notes.and what is the "correct" note? Did Freddie hit the "correct" note every time he sang? or is a live performance an organic thing that....oh fuck it. Living in a bubble suits you. |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 16:36 |
Holly2003 wrote:He looks good for his age.Michael Allred wrote: I want to give Rodgers a big wet blowjobWhatever floats your boat. |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 16:37 |
Holly2003 wrote: To be fair, a few years ago I listened to his Idol performance with Queen and wasn't too impressed. However, I listened to it again and in a second post was less critical. And a few weeks ago I enquired (politely) how Lambert might be considered a role model. That's about it. Poor Michael has his knickers in a twist over nothing. But of course he has NO EMOTIONAL ATTACHMENT! and is just too smart for us to understand his evil ways. Perhaps even now he's sitting in a hollowed out volcano stroking a white cat and planning his next move?Let me guess what it's going to be.."Holly and Grateful fan are fucking fucks!"An evil genius indeed ...No I'm stroking Lambert's cock. Duh! |
| Gregsynth 17.03.2012 16:41 |
Michael Allred wrote:Gregsynth wrote:Yup, that's me. Total Lambert fanboy. Hit the nail on the head with that one. Real fucking sherlock this one is. Go make another shit youtube vid.Michael Allred wrote:Nice straw-man argument: Adam hits halfway between a B4 and a C5, and is off key throughout all three songs. Hitting notes a half step sharp is incorrect, vibratoing notes to 50 cents off is incorrect, and yelling random notes (that weren't originally in the song) is incorrect as well.Oh, you're just a Lambert fanboy--so that explains your lack of objectivity and musical knowledge.Gregsynth wrote:link is the EMA 2011 version of Champions compared with Live Aid. Sorry, Freddie is the only one who can sing this song. Adam fails to hit the correct notes (and sucked on his other two performances during the EMAs), and yells/wails out notes.and what is the "correct" note? Did Freddie hit the "correct" note every time he sang? or is a live performance an organic thing that....oh fuck it. Living in a bubble suits you. Least I do something useful with my time. |
| Gregsynth 17.03.2012 16:41 |
All you have to do is compare Freddie's performance of The Show Must Go On (the acapella videos are the best), to Adam's. Adam hits many notes off key and hits Eb5 (as opposed to D5). And since you love throwing logical fallacies around (mostly strawman arguments), I'll explain something to you: Freddie isn't a perfect live singer by any means, but he KNOWS how to sing his songs. Freddie wasn't the most consistent live vocalist, but he had good live pitch, and was able to hit alternative phrasings and note choices pretty well (hitting an A4 instead of a C5 on Champions for many live performances). Adam fails to stay on pitch and hits wrong notes on many live performances. This is coming from someone who has heard Adam's performances on American Idol, his Queen performances, his Glam Nation Tour performances, and his acoustic numbers--so I'm not against Adam at all. It's just that his Queen performances were bad! |
| Michael Allred 17.03.2012 17:09 |
Gregsynth wrote:Useful to whom? Hey if it makes you happy go for it. I've got a strawman to build.Michael Allred wrote:Least I do something useful with my time.Gregsynth wrote:Yup, that's me. Total Lambert fanboy. Hit the nail on the head with that one. Real fucking sherlock this one is. Go make another shit youtube vid.Michael Allred wrote:Nice straw-man argument: Adam hits halfway between a B4 and a C5, and is off key throughout all three songs. Hitting notes a half step sharp is incorrect, vibratoing notes to 50 cents off is incorrect, and yelling random notes (that weren't originally in the song) is incorrect as well.Oh, you're just a Lambert fanboy--so that explains your lack of objectivity and musical knowledge.Gregsynth wrote:link is the EMA 2011 version of Champions compared with Live Aid. Sorry, Freddie is the only one who can sing this song. Adam fails to hit the correct notes (and sucked on his other two performances during the EMAs), and yells/wails out notes.and what is the "correct" note? Did Freddie hit the "correct" note every time he sang? or is a live performance an organic thing that....oh fuck it. Living in a bubble suits you. |
| Vocal harmony 17.03.2012 17:19 |
Gregsynth.Freddie is the only person who can sing We Are The Champions. . . . Really? So the 120 thousand people at Knebworth in 1986 shouldn't have sung it, the cast and audience at We Will Rock You shouldn't sing it. Paul Rodgers very obviously could not sing it because he changed the delivery and phrasing slightly. Yes that song and the person who recorded it are so far above any mere mortal that nobody in the universe can touch either the song or the singer. Some people's views are so incredibly one sided and short sighted. Funny really, YOU can't stop anyone singing that song! |
| Gregsynth 17.03.2012 21:27 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Gregsynth.Freddie is the only person who can sing We Are The Champions. . . . Really? So the 120 thousand people at Knebworth in 1986 shouldn't have sung it, the cast and audience at We Will Rock You shouldn't sing it. Paul Rodgers very obviously could not sing it because he changed the delivery and phrasing slightly. Yes that song and the person who recorded it are so far above any mere mortal that nobody in the universe can touch either the song or the singer. Some people's views are so incredibly one sided and short sighted. Funny really, YOU can't stop anyone singing that song! Non sequitur arguments won't help you out: How does a crowd have ANYTHING to do with Freddie's vocal performance of a song? I didn't say they aren't ALLOWED to sing it, I said that Freddie was the only person who can truly sing it (since it's HIS song and knows how to truly deliver the song's meaning when performing). Your boy Lambert couldn't sing it to save his life (yelling and hitting wrong notes completely ruins the song's meaning). |
| Gregsynth 17.03.2012 21:29 |
Michael Allred wrote:Gregsynth wrote:Useful to whom? Hey if it makes you happy go for it. I've got a strawman to build.Michael Allred wrote:Least I do something useful with my time.Gregsynth wrote:Yup, that's me. Total Lambert fanboy. Hit the nail on the head with that one. Real fucking sherlock this one is. Go make another shit youtube vid.Michael Allred wrote:Nice straw-man argument: Adam hits halfway between a B4 and a C5, and is off key throughout all three songs. Hitting notes a half step sharp is incorrect, vibratoing notes to 50 cents off is incorrect, and yelling random notes (that weren't originally in the song) is incorrect as well.Oh, you're just a Lambert fanboy--so that explains your lack of objectivity and musical knowledge.Gregsynth wrote:link is the EMA 2011 version of Champions compared with Live Aid. Sorry, Freddie is the only one who can sing this song. Adam fails to hit the correct notes (and sucked on his other two performances during the EMAs), and yells/wails out notes.and what is the "correct" note? Did Freddie hit the "correct" note every time he sang? or is a live performance an organic thing that....oh fuck it. Living in a bubble suits you. Useful to my 1,300 + subscribers :) Good luck on that strawman! I'll be rooting for ya! :) |
| Vocal harmony 17.03.2012 22:19 |
Gregsynth . I didn't say anything about people being allowed to sing. I quoted what you said, that Freddie is the only person who can sing We are The Champions. Don't miss quote me in order to make your answer seem to hold any weight. One more thing, Adam Lambert is not my boy, I'm not an Adam Lambert fan. Your limited view of this subject means you can't create a balance between an original performance and what another person can bring. I've seen your boy Mercury screw up . But you would never accept that would you. |
| Gregsynth 17.03.2012 22:35 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Gregsynth . I didn't say anything about people being allowed to sing. I quoted what you said, that Freddie is the only person who can sing We are The Champions. Don't miss quote me in order to make your answer seem to hold any weight. One more thing, Adam Lambert is not my boy, I'm not an Adam Lambert fan. Your limited view of this subject means you can't create a balance between an original performance and what another person can bring. I've seen your boy Mercury screw up . But you would never accept that would you. Freddie IS the only person who can TRULY sing the song (since it's his song). That's what I meant in my original post. If you ask any person out on the street about We Are The Champions, they will cite Freddie Mercury as the person who sang it. Not Adam Lambert, or Paul Rodgers, or the WWRY cast. Like Bohemian Rhapsody: Can anybody BUT Freddie Mercury truly deliver that song in the way he sang it? No. Many can hit the notes, many singers have better technique than Freddie, but he's the man that set the standard for the song. Sorry, for labeling you as a Lambert fan when you're not (I read your post on page two). Lambert SUCKED on ALL of his covers of Queen: Maybe he'll nail them this year at Knebworth/Moscow, but since I've heard (with objective ears mind you) his previous covers, I'm a bit worried. I'd suggest you take a look at my channel on Youtube (Gregsynthbootlegs). You think I'm not aware of Freddie's bad performances live? You think I'm a stepford fan when it comes to Freddie's live work? No, I can tell you EXACTLY what's wrong with his live performances when asked. So pulling out that strawman argument of "limited views" and not accepting "my boy Freddie messing up" really falls flat. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 17.03.2012 23:13 |
There's an old quote something about convince a man against his will, and he will be more stubborn still. I think it means 98% of the people at Queenzone know SFA about debating and listening to facts and reason. Freddie's dead? Agreed. Freddie can't be Queen frontman? Agreed as he's dead. Adam Lambert hits wrong notes? You are a f***ing close minded homophobe who lives in the past so get over it 'cos Freddie's dead and he ain't coming back. I find it funny to be honest, the lack of knowledge about bands and music in general from some people here. No disrespect to someoonewholovesadam, but total disrespect for anyone who loves Adam as a viable replacement, one off or not, for Freddie Mercury. David Lee Roth is the next best frontman to Freddie, why can't they tour with him? (He can't sing, that's why.) But, his physical histrionics are comparable to Adam's vocal histrionics, and they are both whooly unsuitable for what's left of Queen, which isn't really Queen but I'll pretend it is. Finally, despite his warbly vibrato and inability to hold a note, I feel very sorry for Adam Lambert. He is being used by Brian and Roger to help Queen sell more Greatest Hits albums to the 20 and under crowd, and it will kill his career. Freddie is irreplaceable, who in QZ, apart from Michael Allred :) will be purchasing an Adam Lambert album or track? His music suuuuccccccckkkkkkks that it's unfair to call it music compared to Queen music so he can't win. They're asking him to be a salesman to benefit them, and I would imagine that it will pretty much kill his career. |
| someonewholikesadam 18.03.2012 10:03 |
What is it that Adam Lambert fans and the music industry is seeing that Queen fans are not? Vimeo.com/38702148 YouTube/8S7iydhapnl |
| someonewholikesadam 18.03.2012 10:04 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: What is it that Adam Lambert fans and the music industry is seeing that Queen fans are not? link Www.YouTube/8S7iydhapnl |
| Donna13 18.03.2012 10:09 |
Greg, why is Adam hitting these wrong notes? Is it a lack of concentration due to nerves, like a distraction from the audience, or is it lack of practice or fatigue or something else? Lack of experience on stage? I am wondering how he can hit most of the notes but not all of the notes. And when he records do you think he uses autotune? |
| Sheer Brass Neck 18.03.2012 10:29 |
someonewholikesadam wrote: What is it that Adam Lambert fans and the music industry is seeing that Queen fans are not? Vimeo.com/38702148 YouTube/8S7iydhapnlHe is talented. He is a good singer. He has a wonderful range. There is no disputing that. He is just not even close to be worthy of singing with Queen. |
| john bodega 18.03.2012 11:24 |
"What is it that Adam Lambert fans and the music industry is seeing" My guess : the opportunity to turn a quick buck from a very loyal, vocal and dedicated minority of people who think he's a superstar. |
| someonewholikesadam 18.03.2012 11:48 |
What makes one "worthy" of singing with Queen? |
| Sheer Brass Neck 18.03.2012 12:24 |
Bona fides. |
| freddiemercuryforever 18.03.2012 13:25 |
Oh god I read so stupid answers |
| Gregsynth 18.03.2012 14:17 |
Donna13 wrote: Greg, why is Adam hitting these wrong notes? Is it a lack of concentration due to nerves, like a distraction from the audience, or is it lack of practice or fatigue or something else? Lack of experience on stage? I am wondering how he can hit most of the notes but not all of the notes. And when he records do you think he uses autotune? I don't think it's from a lack of experience (he's been singing and performing since he was a kid). I think it's a combination of not having the greatest relative pitch (which explains the random off notes in performances), and having an uncontrolled vibrato (which often makes him go off key when he uses it). As for the autotune, I don't believe he uses it. He said in an interview back in 2010 that Autotune "wasn't for him." |
| Donna13 18.03.2012 17:09 |
Thank you for answering my questions. I watched one of his live songs and he could hear that he had just hit the wrong note and his hand went up to his ear. |
| freddiemercuryforever 18.03.2012 21:55 |
Adam Lambert doesn't use autotune |
| Queen4ever13 19.03.2012 09:31 |
The person who said Brian and Rodger are using him to draw the 20 something and under crowd makes sense as to why they'd consider having him sing with them. He's enjoying his day in the sun. This guy isn't even worth the time and energy expended on. Nobody's going to remember the washed up drag queen down the line, never mind any association with Queen. |
| kosimodo 19.03.2012 10:03 |
Well, i enjoyed the 2 concerts i have seen with Paul Rogers. We are the champions is for sure not the one song i play from 'return of the champions' Thats is just awfull. I hope Adam can deliver those songs Paul for sure not could. He can sing. Play the game, Save me, Spread your wings are some of the songs Adam can deliver for sure better then Paul. So i give him a change. The occasions with Roger and Brian werent lucky, but i recall the first concerts with Paul.. The critics there werent that good either. Paul improved. Lets hope Adam learned from his 'mistakes'and they get 2 great concerts:) |
| GratefulFan 19.03.2012 16:58 |
queenUSA wrote: Vocal Harmony ... I agree. Someone said the songs will be meaningless if AL sings them and that is too bad. We are all human beings walking this Earth and I have a feeling by the time of the gig the songs will mean alot to AL and that will come across bigtime because the song meanings are personally coming true for him ... consider: "I've done my sentence ... but committed no crime. And at mistakes ... I've made a few. I've had my share of sand kicked in my face ... but I'd come through" When he sings "I'd come through" he needs to be committed to nailing it! What other songs will be meaningful by then? IWTBF UP TSMGO I hope he totally nails all of it!! So all you meanies out there with your mean streak set on high - get ready. This show is going to rock! Adam CAN do it. I suspect Lambert is thoroughly unaffected by any of what is essentially a tempest in teapot in the big picture. First it's always been clear to me that he thinks pretty highly of himself - an asset of sorts in a tough business in which unwavering self confidence is both armor and fuel. But more key is the fact that he'll likely please the vast majority just fine. More casual fans are not that discriminating and aren't going to notice the sleight of hand that replaces a musician of immeasurable creativity and talent and subtlety with a big voiced interpreter with an impressive range and a closet full of pleather. On the same principle I could go to a Beatles tribute show or something and have a great time listening to the hits while committed superfans were writhing in the aisles and on the internet in angst. I wouldn't know what's missing or properly perceive the exquisite things lost in translation. And neither will most of the people who will be at Knebworth. He's got the publicly expressed confidence of Brian and Roger and a borrowed catalogue so flush with riches that even a deaf man could love it. You think he's sweating any of this? I certainly don't. Your story arc is a nice little tale - and not without irony given how narrative dependent reality shows like American Idol are - but I don't think there's much real there. You can tell yourself whatever fables you like - and dot them with 'meanies' and 'mean streaks' and the fantasist notion that there is some inherent superiority in being 'optimistic' and 'supportive' in the face of evidence to the contrary - but there is not going to be any triumph pulled from any ashes because he's already won the gig and literally not one person in any position of influence cares one whit about any of the criticism coming from the superfan community, and we can have no affect on anything. The only people who care about what we have to say are the fellow fans that feel that same way, and people can't even let those conversations go on - the only meaningful outlet we have - without endless interruption and histrionics like this. |
| GratefulFan 19.03.2012 17:04 |
kosimodo wrote: I hope Adam can deliver those songs Paul for sure not could. He can sing. Play the game, Save me, Spread your wings are some of the songs Adam can deliver for sure better then Paul. So i give him a change. On the contrary, these are exactly the kind of songs that he poops all over. He's terrible to my ears and my - I don't know, heart? soul? - with anything that has an emotional climax. He might be good on things like Radio Gaga and other songs that are more even and melodic like that. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 19.03.2012 21:05 |
For me, he's from the Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Michael Bolton school of singers. Big voiced belters with no nuances in their repertoire. Can't get into that. If, and these days, that's an 'elephant in the room' if, Brian and Roger were being honest they'd see what others see about his hit and miss vocals. But the reason it's Adam Lambert instead of deserving singers in their peer group with skins on the wall and artistic talent (Billy Squier, Gary Cherone, Taylor Hawkins, Tom Chapin, Jeff Scott Soto) has nothing to do with vocal talent, it's that they are hoping that AL brings their music to a new demographic. After all, didn't they bend over backwards saying that they didn't want someone (like Paul Rodgers) to imitate Freddie? PR was his own man, doing the songs his way. Now it's another off-Broadway singer, the male Kerry Ellis that no one in the rock world that Queen once lived in cares about, that serious musos laugh at. |
| queenUSA 19.03.2012 22:51 |
GratefulFan wrote: The only people who care about what we have to say are the fellow fans that feel that same way, and people can't even let those conversations go on - the only meaningful outlet we have - without endless interruption and histrionics like this.Honestly Grateful Fan are you grateful for other points of view without labeling them an interruption? As to histrionics. ... How can you judge from your perch after inflicting the tiresome 100 worst ideas and the Dr is in - all for the sake of bashing AL. Even you have had your moments! |
| GratefulFan 19.03.2012 23:47 |
Relative to the substance of my posts about Lambert and those of others with similar ideas, 'another point of view' is something like "I like Adam and look forward to the concert . I think he'll do a great job." That's another point of view. 'Meanies' and 'mean streaks' and 'get over it' and 'grow up' and "chronic negativity" and 'it's interesting to watch people squirm over change' and any number of other founts of nonsense - those are interruptions. Many people are so flush with a sense of something like moral superiority on this issue that they (you) don't even recognize the qualities of their (your) own posts. Perhaps that's how it escaped you that the 100 WORSE Ideas (not BETTER ones, right?) was barely about Lambert at all. And the Doctor is In was about the collective YOU - not Lambert. A attempt to point out how rude and unfair and undermining all the casting of anti-Lambert opinion in such personal terms was and is in a lighthearted way, after failing to so effectively more conventionally, while still trying really hard not to be mean or offensive to anybody in particular. Even though quite frankly there are a number of you who deserved it by that point. You really can't step out of your own stuff for long enough to conjure even ONE singer who might have really disappointed you? And how that might have made you feel?To even try to imagine the feelings - and feelings is what they are in my case - of people who are just really disappointed in this choice? No? Fine. Just stop interrupting me with your belittling, unsolicited and off base analyses of what's going on in my head. |
| GratefulFan 20.03.2012 00:07 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: . But the reason it's Adam Lambert instead of deserving singers in their peer group with skins on the wall and artistic talent (Billy Squier, Gary Cherone, Taylor Hawkins, Tom Chapin, Jeff Scott Soto) has nothing to do with vocal talent, it's that they are hoping that AL brings their music to a new demographic. That seems to be the conventional wisdom, but I question it. Lambert is a relatively young man, but the core of his fanbase being neither young nor male is anything but. I've thought a few times that Lambert's management is actively trying to almost get away from the middle aged female fan base, and Adam has as much to gain if not more by getting the eyes and ears of 10s of thousands of people young enough to have no qualms about standing in a big field all day long. There are official presences in the official Lambert forums that are almost disparaging at times to the super dedicated 'Glamberts' who make up the membership there. Curt, referencing 'Claymates', things like that. And Lambert's second album and altered look is a very deliberate departure from the glitter and glam that was and is a defining attraction for his nostalgic middle aged fans to the point that they embedded it right into their self identification with the 'Glambert' moniker. So somebody's trying to expand their appeal to include new and younger fans, but I'm really not sure it's just Queen. |
| john bodega 20.03.2012 03:13 |
"What makes one "worthy" of singing with Queen?" Basically, nothing. Why do you think they didn't do it when Queen still existed?? What people are ignoring is that really, Queen doesn't exist. It's awesome that they still play the songs and (intermittently) put on a great show. It is their legal and moral right to do whatever they want with the name and the catalogue. But really, Queen - *actual Queen* is a dead duck and has been for a long time. I had hopes that they'd carry on making music on their own. "No One But You" was proof that they were at least musically viable, if nothing else. Having read up the page a bit, I piss on the notion that Gary Cherone is (or ever was) fit to be on stage with anyone. He's horrible. |
| queenUSA 20.03.2012 07:00 |
GratefulFan wrote: And how that might have made you feel?To even try to imagine the feelings - and feelings is what they are in my case - of people who are just really disappointed in this choice? No? Fine. Just stop interrupting me with your belittling, unsolicited and off base analyses of what's going on in my head.I do have the feelings, of course I do. Brenski's remark upon it was the best I saw that captured it well. There is real suffering going on. Yet ... How will tearing each other apart help the situation. It's disheartening really. I do not share those traits and behaviors. I've not belittled you, nor targeted you for analysis. You're the self declared Dr. Not me. Brian is the real Dr by the way (sorry for the unsolicited reminder of that fact). Adam getting to the final round of AI means that millions of Americans voted it that way. I will not turn my back on an American, whilst he's down and being compared to scrap meat. One thing about the EMA crowd reaction, they had their arms outstretched the entire time - maybe they wanted that scrap meat because they've been starved for the music live so long they are not too particularly picky if it has goat vibrato and the C4 missed at this point. Many may find it sad, even outrageous - but that's the state of things. I hope it can be improved. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 20.03.2012 08:15 |
I wasn't promoting or suggesting Gary Cherone as a candidate, or the candidate. Nor Taylor Hawkins as he's limited vocally. But why not them, or the others instead of Adam Lambert? A show with Taylor Hawkins fronting would be a great rock show. Would he do justice to The Millionaire Waltz? Doubt it. But he got Brian and Roger onstage to do Long Away, Sleeping on the sidewalk and got them to stretch. I mean I love '39 to death, but it's been a staple since 1976. That's 46 years this year that it's been "the acoustic song." And he's got an energy that Adam Lambert will never has as he is nor of that world. Musicals and rock and roll are different beasts, and try as they might, they can't make Adam Lambert into a rock and roll singer. |
| GratefulFan 20.03.2012 18:20 |
queenUSA wrote: I do have the feelings, of course I do. Brenski's remark upon it was the best I saw that captured it well. There is real suffering going on. Yet ... How will tearing each other apart help the situation. It's disheartening really. I do not share those traits and behaviors. I've not belittled you, nor targeted you for analysis. You're the self declared Dr. Not me. Brian is the real Dr by the way (sorry for the unsolicited reminder of that fact). Adam getting to the final round of AI means that millions of Americans voted it that way. I will not turn my back on an American, whilst he's down and being compared to scrap meat. One thing about the EMA crowd reaction, they had their arms outstretched the entire time - maybe they wanted that scrap meat because they've been starved for the music live so long they are not too particularly picky if it has goat vibrato and the C4 missed at this point. Many may find it sad, even outrageous - but that's the state of things. I hope it can be improved. What is 'meanies' with 'mean streaks' if not analysis? Nobody is referring to you as a sycophant with a gushing streak or a dramatist with a patriotic streak, are they? No, they're not. Do you know why? Because it would be extraordinary thoughtless to take what I can only assume is a considered opinion based on your own tastes and experiences and sensibilities and turn it into a an irrelevant swipe at your character and necessarily ignorant commentary on your psychology. This is not about 'tearing each other apart' because it's almost exclusively one sided. The constant undermining in one way or another of people who have supported their concerns about the choice of Lambert six ways to Sunday only to be repeatedly swatted at on a personal level by people with apparent comprehension problems and/or delusions of superiority. You can support Lambert because you enjoy him as a performer, because the criticism moves you to be an advocate, because he's your countryman or because you like him in mauve. It's all good, and the positive counterpoint is important. I'm sure your thoughts, right up until the point they try and ride roughshod over somebody else's thoughts, will be respected and welcomed. But when you slide into making your points on the backs of other people, don't be surprised if you get more of this. |
| queenUSA 21.03.2012 07:54 |
The mean don't have to be analyzed so - it's self revealed for all to see, whether manifested at the workplace, schoolyard, online, etc. And when it appears it runs the risk of being confronted as we all continue the process of coexistence. |
| GratefulFan 21.03.2012 08:17 |
Puffed up self righteousness and an apparent dearth of a sense of humour run a similar risk. |
| Holly2003 21.03.2012 09:22 |
That's the first time I've seen anyone advocate "patriotism" as one of the standards by which we should judge music :0 |
| Queen4ever13 21.03.2012 09:29 |
GratefulFan wrote:Your point honestly sums it up, or as the song goes, nothing really matters, you are right.queenUSA wrote: Vocal Harmony ... I agree. Someone said the songs will be meaningless if AL sings them and that is too bad. We are all human beings walking this Earth and I have a feeling by the time of the gig the songs will mean alot to AL and that will come across bigtime because the song meanings are personally coming true for him ... consider:"I've done my sentence ... but committed no crime. And at mistakes ... I've made a few. I've had my share of sand kicked in my face ... but I'd come through"When he sings "I'd come through" he needs to be committed to nailing it!What other songs will be meaningful by then?IWTBFUPTSMGOI hope he totally nails all of it!! So all you meanies out there with your mean streak set on high - get ready. This show is going to rock! Adam CAN do it.I suspect Lambert is thoroughly unaffected by any of what is essentially a tempest in teapot in the big picture. First it's always been clear to me that he thinks pretty highly of himself - an asset of sorts in a tough business in which unwavering self confidence is both armor and fuel. But more key is the fact that he'll likely please the vast majority just fine. More casual fans are not that discriminating and aren't going to notice the sleight of hand that replaces a musician of immeasurable creativity and talent and subtlety with a big voiced interpreter with an impressive range and a closet full of pleather. On the same principle I could go to a Beatles tribute show or something and have a great time listening to the hits while committed superfans were writhing in the aisles and on the internet in angst. I wouldn't know what's missing or properly perceive the exquisite things lost in translation. And neither will most of the people who will be at Knebworth. He's got the publicly expressed confidence of Brian and Roger and a borrowed catalogue so flush with riches that even a deaf man could love it. You think he's sweating any of this? I certainly don't. Your story arc is a nice little tale - and not without irony given how narrative dependent reality shows like American Idol are - but I don't think there's much real there. You can tell yourself whatever fables you like - and dot them with 'meanies' and 'mean streaks' and the fantasist notion that there is some inherent superiority in being 'optimistic' and 'supportive' in the face of evidence to the contrary - but there is not going to be any triumph pulled from any ashes because he's already won the gig and literally not one person in any position of influence cares one whit about any of the criticism coming from the superfan community, and we can have no affect on anything. The only people who care about what we have to say are the fellow fans that feel that same way, and people can't even let those conversations go on - the only meaningful outlet we have - without endless interruption and histrionics like this. |
| deleted user 21.03.2012 11:34 |
Quote: I suspect Lambert is thoroughly unaffected by any of what is essentially a tempest in teapot in the big picture. First it's always been clear to me that he thinks pretty highly of himself - an asset of sorts in a tough business in which unwavering self confidence is both armor and fuel. But more key is the fact that he'll likely please the vast majority just fine. More casual fans are not that discriminating and aren't going to notice the sleight of hand that replaces a musician of immeasurable creativity and talent and subtlety with a big voiced interpreter with an impressive range and a closet full of pleather. On the same principle I could go to a Beatles tribute show or something and have a great time listening to the hits while committed superfans were writhing in the aisles and on the internet in angst. I wouldn't know what's missing or properly perceive the exquisite things lost in translation. And neither will most of the people who will be at Knebworth. He's got the publicly expressed confidence of Brian and Roger and a borrowed catalogue so flush with riches that even a deaf man could love it. You think he's sweating any of this? I certainly don't. Your story arc is a nice little tale - and not without irony given how narrative dependent reality shows like American Idol are - but I don't think there's much real there. You can tell yourself whatever fables you like - and dot them with 'meanies' and 'mean streaks' and the fantasist notion that there is some inherent superiority in being 'optimistic' and 'supportive' in the face of evidence to the contrary - but there is not going to be any triumph pulled from any ashes because he's already won the gig and literally not one person in any position of influence cares one whit about any of the criticism coming from the superfan community, and we can have no affect on anything. The only people who care about what we have to say are the fellow fans that feel that same way, and people can't even let those conversations go on - the only meaningful outlet we have - without endless interruption and histrionics like this. You are absolutely correct. No doubt about it. However, what AL fans do not realise is that singing apart, he just does not have that charisma, that magnetism that came effortlessly to Freddie. Many have tried to imitate them; very few have succeeded, and certainly not AL. Freddie MADE you love him. Brian, Roger and John are brilliant musicians no doubt, but Freddie was a star! His performances touched the audience, no matter whether his voice was in perfect shape that day or not. A live performance is a lot more than just the voice and pitch; and AL just does not have what it takes. Sorry. As Grateful Fan wrote, my opinion will certainly not make any difference. |
| GratefulFan 21.03.2012 16:35 |
tigrlily wrote: Quote: However, what AL fans do not realise is that singing apart, he just does not have that charisma, that magnetism that came effortlessly to Freddie.The hard core fans do find him wildly charismatic though, and have said so in their friendly visits here. It's one of those things that's really hard to comprehend when you can't see it, but still completely subjective nonetheless. Charisma is usually part natural warmth, part genuine or at least believable connection, and part wild disinhibition. Grinding around the stage in guyliner and purple eyeshadow or whatever doesn't really rise to that level for me. |
| queenUSA 22.03.2012 07:01 |
GratefulFan wrote: Puffed up self righteousness and an apparent dearth of a sense of humour run a similar risk.Well I'm certainly not going to listen to that nonsense. Look at how you (meaning you) are behaving? You have difficulty in talking about positive ideas on a large scale - you're happier to sulk and hurl insults. Physician heal thyself. |
| john bodega 22.03.2012 09:58 |
I dunno. Doing this music justice isn't even down to one's vocal range or whatever. I've never liked the Darkness, but the last time I heard that guy singing Tie Your Mother Down, I reckoned that he had the right mentality. Only problem was that he sounded like he wasn't trying, and that pisses me off. It pissed me off with Q+PR as well. Why should I care about a band that sounds like it doesn't care? |
| Donna13 22.03.2012 14:26 |
I haven't seen what you are talking about but if I was trying out Justin Hawkins I would give him something more melodic to sing. Anyway Adam is not really a rock performer. In fact I think Adam would be best on the songs that John Deacon wrote. Or stuff from Hot Space. Ha. |
| GratefulFan 22.03.2012 15:37 |
queenUSA wrote:GratefulFan wrote: Puffed up self righteousness and an apparent dearth of a sense of humour run a similar risk.Well I'm certainly not going to listen to that nonsense. Look at how you (meaning you) are behaving? You have difficulty in talking about positive ideas on a large scale - you're happier to sulk and hurl insults. Physician heal thyself. Jeez. You're acting like I broke into your house and drew moustaches on your Kerry Ellis posters or something. "You have difficulty talking about positive ideas on a large scale." Great response to the complaint that you and others are taking wild and nonsensical leaps into peoples psychology. Really. I wish you had a sense of humour so we could laugh at you together. |
| GratefulFan 22.03.2012 15:54 |
Donna13 wrote: Anyway Adam is not really a rock performer. Though I know you generally support the idea of this collaboration that's the thing right there isn't it. Adam is not really a rock performer. It's funny...I was reading Adam's official forum a few weeks ago and there was a blog there by a superfan and forum participant. Her writing was sharp and funny and I enjoyed reading it. She photoshopped some actual cat throw up from her rug onto a screen cap of Adam's horrid sensitive guy sweater from his 'Better Than I Know Myself' video to illustrate their aesthetic and thematic similarity. LOL Her whole thrust was that he was allowing himself to be dragged into something that wasn't him to appeal to the vast middle for album sales etc. Her belief was that he broke through on Idol as a Rock God and that that's what he was, and is, and that all this pop stuff is a mistake. I couldn't agree with her more - or less. I agree that the problem is that he is working a genre that he doesn't fit, but the genre that he doesn't fit is rock, not pop. As a pop performer I think of him like I think of Kerry Ellis- talented performers who are fundamentally Broadway/West End people who have enough edge to make them pop crossovers more credible than some. Brian once referred to Kerry as a 'Rock Chick'. Kerry is a wonderfully talented woman but she is not and never will be a rock chick. Not even close. Brian clearly thinks of Adam as a rock guy. Also not even close. I've said it before - I really think part of this is 10 years worth of immersion in that WWRY musical. That can and will shape tastes and perceptions. |
| Holly2003 22.03.2012 16:15 |
GratefulFan wrote: I really think part of this is 10 years worth of immersion in that WWRY musical. That can and will shape tastes and perceptions.Yep. I bet when Dave Grohl persuaded Brian to play Sleeping on the Sidewalk it was partly out of frustration that Brian has lost his way a bit, that his "gunslinger" attitude has been replaced with "essence of luvvie". |
| Donna13 22.03.2012 19:00 |
At least Adam doesn't do that leg pumping thing or the quick head shake thing that the other Broadway types do when pretending to be rock stars. Ha. I am imagining it could have been much worse. But Brian and Roger are both very versatile and talented and creative musicians and I think they are bigger than one genre. And Adam also has that versatility. So I think there is great potential there. But I am worried about the one week of rehearsal that the Adam fan was talking about. The whole thing seems risky. But I'm thinking excitement and creativity will help them figure out how best to work with each other to pull this off. If they have a vision for the end result and think they can do it then I say let's assume that they know what they are doing. It will be fun. (Cross your fingers and visualize the best outcome which is that Brian and Roger will be happy about it afterwards.) |
| queenUSA 22.03.2012 19:42 |
GratefulFan wrote:The only thing true about this is the "jeez".queenUSA wrote:Jeez. You're acting like I broke into your house and drew moustaches on your Kerry Ellis posters or something. "You have difficulty talking about positive ideas on a large scale." Great response to the complaint that you and others are taking wild and nonsensical leaps into peoples psychology. Really. I wish you had a sense of humour so we could laugh at you together.GratefulFan wrote:Puffed up self righteousness and an apparent dearth of a sense of humour run a similar risk.Well I'm certainly not going to listen to that nonsense. Look at how you (meaning you) are behaving? You have difficulty in talking about positive ideas on a large scale - you're happier to sulk and hurl insults. Physician heal thyself. I'm giving up on this thread. Goodbye grateful. Have a good night. |
| hauntofroulettedares 22.03.2012 23:02 |
Can't we all just get along and be friends...?! :-P |
| Sheer Brass Neck 23.03.2012 00:03 |
hauntofroulettedares wrote: Can't we all just get along and be friends...?! :-PNope, not as long as that fuckwit Adam Lambert is involved in Queen. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 23.03.2012 00:08 |
Donna 13 wrote: "(Cross your fingers and visualize the best outcome which is that Brian and Roger will be happy about it afterwards.)" Brian and Roger ARE happy about it. They are getting publicity, which will generate catalogue sales, which will perpetuate the Queen brand. That is all that matters. For anyone with an understanding of what Queen is, and was, having Adam Lambert sing one song is blasphemy. If you don't understand, then no point explaining the blasphemous act. |
| someonewholikesadam 23.03.2012 09:01 |
You guys crack me up. One thing is for sure. No Queen fan will ever forget the name Adam Lambert. LOL! |
| freddieforme 23.03.2012 11:15 |
Yes, just like no one has forgotten the name 'Hitler' either. |
| freddieforme 23.03.2012 11:18 |
QUOTE: someonewholikesadam You guys crack me up. One thing is for sure. No Queen fan will ever forget the name Adam Lambert. LOL! Yes, Just like no one has forgotten the name 'Hitler' either. He massacred the Jews just like AL will massacre the Queen catalogue. |
| Donna13 23.03.2012 12:24 |
edit Something went wrong with my post ... oh well. |
| someonewholikesadam 23.03.2012 13:55 |
Dfreddieforme wrote: Yes, just like no one has forgotten the name 'Hitler' either.now THAT is agood analogy. |
| Gaabiizz 23.03.2012 17:02 |
Give the guy a chance |
| Michael Allred 23.03.2012 19:14 |
freddieforme wrote: QUOTE: someonewholikesadam You guys crack me up. One thing is for sure. No Queen fan will ever forget the name Adam Lambert. LOL! Yes, Just like no one has forgotten the name 'Hitler' either. He massacred the Jews just like AL will massacre the Queen catalogue.and people say *I* go overboard..... |
| Michael Allred 23.03.2012 19:17 |
GratefulFan wrote: Puffed up self righteousness and an apparent dearth of a sense of humour run a similar risk.Fuck, you just described yourself. That's the first step to recovery. |
| Doga 24.03.2012 08:03 |
I entered in a Adam Lambert forum, i don't remember the page, sorry, and in one post, one member said the Russian gig, and Knebworth will be recorded. I know isn't a very reliable source, but maybe Brian said something in his soapbox. Do you think Queen will release a Knebworth or Russian gig? And do you like the idea? Hope this comes with some bonus from 1986 Knebworth then. Edit: link Adam don't know if they'll record the gigs, but he likes the idea. |
| freddieforme 24.03.2012 11:11 |
Someonewholikesadam wrote: You guys crack me up. One thing is for sure. No Queen fan will ever forget the name Adam Lambert. LOL! Freddieforme wrote: Yes, Just like no one has forgotten the name 'Hitler' either. He massacred the Jews just like AL will massacre the Queen catalogue. Michael Allred wrote: and people say *I* go overboard..... Hey, when we are talking about Freddie's (and Queen's) legacy, nothing is off-limits. Like Freddie said: I'll destroy any man who dares abuse my trust!'. I feel sorry for AL. lol! |
| Holly2003 24.03.2012 12:22 |
Michael Allred wrote:Unfortunately for you, there's no recovery program for being a pillock.GratefulFan wrote: Puffed up self righteousness and an apparent dearth of a sense of humour run a similar risk.Fuck, you just described yourself. That's the first step to recovery. |
| Vocal harmony 24.03.2012 13:19 |
Donna 13, your comment about Adam not being a rock performer is interesting. If you think about it neither was Freddie. He was a Great and gifted singer in a band who performed rock songs, amongst others. The sheer scope of the Queen catalogue went beyond the boundaries of what a "rock performer" would normally write and perform. Maybe in Adam Lambert, Brian and Roger are trying to bring some of that broader scope of performance and feel back to the band. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 24.03.2012 16:21 |
That's an all time idiotic comment you just made Vocal Harmony. Listen to Freddie sing It's Late, or the last verse of Dead on Time and you will realize that not only was Freddie a rock singer, he was arguably the greatest rock singer ever. FFS, has everyone around here got a musical IQ of 10? |
| Donna13 24.03.2012 16:34 |
Sheer Brass Neck, you are much too clever for us, it is true. Musical IQ? Gosh, I never had mine tested. I hope it would be higher than 10. Is 10 good or bad? |
| Michael Allred 24.03.2012 16:40 |
Holly2003 wrote:My strawman says otherwise.Michael Allred wrote:Unfortunately for you, there's no recovery program for being a pillock.GratefulFan wrote: Puffed up self righteousness and an apparent dearth of a sense of humour run a similar risk.Fuck, you just described yourself. That's the first step to recovery. |
| Donna13 24.03.2012 16:47 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Donna 13, your comment about Adam not being a rock performer is interesting. If you think about it neither was Freddie. He was a Great and gifted singer in a band who performed rock songs, amongst others. The sheer scope of the Queen catalogue went beyond the boundaries of what a "rock performer" would normally write and perform. Maybe in Adam Lambert, Brian and Roger are trying to bring some of that broader scope of performance and feel back to the band. --------------- I would say, that while their music was varied (not just rock), a Queen concert was definitely a rock concert. I don't know if Adam Lambert would be classified as anything but a pop performer at this point, but he has done a lot of versatile musical projects, from what I've read. I'm sure Brian and Roger are excited about the potential of Adam's talent. It would be like getting a new toy and playing with it, I think. I can only imagine the process they are going through at this point, picking out songs, etc. It would make a great documentary subject. A behind the scenes type of reality show. It would be interesting to hear Adam sing a little bit of every Queen song (for me, I mean). It would be entertaining to me. |
| GratefulFan 24.03.2012 17:42 |
Michael Allred wrote:Holly2003 wrote: Unfortunately for you, there's no recovery program for being a pillock.My strawman says otherwise. My lion says your strawman is also a pillock. |
| GratefulFan 24.03.2012 17:48 |
Donna13 wrote: I would say, that while their music was varied (not just rock), a Queen concert was definitely a rock concert. I don't know if Adam Lambert would be classified as anything but a pop performer at this point, but he has done a lot of versatile musical projects, from what I've read. I'm sure Brian and Roger are excited about the potential of Adam's talent. It would be like getting a new toy and playing with it, I think. I can only imagine the process they are going through at this point, picking out songs, etc. It would make a great documentary subject. A behind the scenes type of reality show. It would be interesting to hear Adam sing a little bit of every Queen song (for me, I mean). It would be entertaining to me. Brian has consistently used the word 'challenge' in relation to this gig. I imagine you're exactly right in your analogy of the idea of playing with a new toy, using all their knowledge and experience and instincts to create something new and satisfying. But...but. They will still be judged on the results. They're not children who will get stickers in their workbooks just for trying. Not from this fan anyway. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 24.03.2012 23:41 |
Donna13, there are levels in everything in life. In the world of music, there are levels. For singers in the rock world, Lou Gramm from Foreigner, for example, was a terrific singer. He is probably in the realm of "terrific singers." Paul Rodgers, on the next level, is also a terrific singer, but is probably in the realm of "legends." You go up to another level and you have Freddie Mercury, who is a terrific singer, but is closer to "icon." That's rarified air. So when Vocal Harmony says "the sheer scope of the Queen catalogue went beyond the boundaries of what a 'rock performer' would normally write and perform", its idiotic because it falls under the rock category. Freddie Mercury was rock singer, first and foremost, who could sing anything. If Vocal Harmony listens to Death on Two Legs, Brighton Rock, Now I'm Here, Father to Son, Ogre Battle or anything heavy from Queen to Jazz and tells me that a Broadway singer could handle those with the wallop and heft that Freddie did then their IQ drops from 10 to 4. |
| Michael Allred 25.03.2012 03:33 |
GratefulFan wrote:"pillock" is one of those wonderfully silly Dr. Suess sounding insults Brit folk like to use. (and no, it makes little difference if you're from Canada though it does make you far more boring than your UK brothers.)Michael Allred wrote:My lion says your strawman is also a pillock.Holly2003 wrote:Unfortunately for you, there's no recovery program for being a pillock.My strawman says otherwise. |
| GratefulFan 25.03.2012 04:39 |
My lion also said that you and your strawman were both assholes. Plus he mentioned he would eat you in a house and he would eat you with a mouse. |
| Donna13 25.03.2012 05:10 |
Sheer Brass Neck wrote: Donna13, there are levels in everything in life. In the world of music, there are levels. For singers in the rock world, Lou Gramm from Foreigner, for example, was a terrific singer. He is probably in the realm of "terrific singers." Paul Rodgers, on the next level, is also a terrific singer, but is probably in the realm of "legends." You go up to another level and you have Freddie Mercury, who is a terrific singer, but is closer to "icon." That's rarified air. So when Vocal Harmony says "the sheer scope of the Queen catalogue went beyond the boundaries of what a 'rock performer' would normally write and perform", its idiotic because it falls under the rock category. Freddie Mercury was rock singer, first and foremost, who could sing anything. If Vocal Harmony listens to Death on Two Legs, Brighton Rock, Now I'm Here, Father to Son, Ogre Battle or anything heavy from Queen to Jazz and tells me that a Broadway singer could handle those with the wallop and heft that Freddie did then their IQ drops from 10 to 4. -------------- You are so good at levels and measurements. So, what would make a person's IQ drop to a 3 or a 2? (I don't think I could handle hearing about 1 or 0 because I'm much too sensitive.) |
| Holly2003 25.03.2012 05:24 |
Donna13 wrote: -------------- You are so good at levels and measurements. So, what would make a person's IQ drop to a 3 or a 2?Listening to Kiss? |
| Sheer Brass Neck 25.03.2012 08:37 |
Holly2003 wrote:Correct, and thinking that Kiss were good drops you to a 1 :)Donna13 wrote: -------------- You are so good at levels and measurements. So, what would make a person's IQ drop to a 3 or a 2?Listening to Kiss? |
| Vocal harmony 25.03.2012 10:58 |
Sheer Brass Neck. . . . . Lilly of the Valley killer Queen Bring Back That Leroy Brown Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon Sea Side Rendezvous Love of My Life You Take my Beath Away Millionaire Waltz Good old Fashioned lover Boy My Melancholy Blues Bicycle Race Dreamers Ball I'm Going Slightly Mad. . . . Parts of some of the songs on the the first two albums. Most of Bohemian Rhapsody. . . . I could go on but being as my IQ is so low, my views idiotic and with no musical knowledge I won't bother. What I will say is that Brass Necks idiotic view of what a post contains and his willingness to throw insults is perhaps an indication of the fact that his IQ is so low it can't be measured |
| Scharamouche 25.03.2012 12:17 |
How does spazzing at eachother solve anything? This place is meant for fun and discussions not fights and bullying. But hey i mustn't have a high enough IQ to even know how to be a bitch. Yay for acting like know it alls. I mean does it even matter what the band are or even who is or isnt in it. So long as they still make amazing art together. And to top things off we all love queen lambert or no lambert because we wouldn't be here fighting over it now would we? I am not saying don't have an opinion but just don't call names or act like you know more than anyone. Because truth iswe probably don't all know as much as eachother. It just literally depends who you are. Get over yourselves and play nice or don't play at all. Just my opinion.*shrugs* |
| Michael Allred 25.03.2012 15:18 |
GratefulFan wrote: My lion also said that you and your strawman were both assholes. Plus he mentioned he would eat you in a house and he would eat you with a mouse.So your lion enjoys rimming? Interesting. |
| GratefulFan 25.03.2012 15:45 |
Gay pride. Ha hahahah. You're still an asshole though. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 25.03.2012 22:11 |
Vocal Harmony, since you have 62 posts, I could assume you are from an Adam Lambert site and you are 14 years old and a musical imbecile, or a lonely middle aged housewife who fantasizes about the "Glambulge" and is a musical imbecile but I won't. I will instead assume you are a good person whose statements need to be parsed. That's why I'm here. So, when you say... "Donna 13, your comment about Adam not being a rock performer is interesting. If you think about it neither was Freddie." You're kidding, aren't you? Do you think that Queen was a cabaret act or a funk/pop act? Queen were monsters of rock and roll live and on record, from 1973 until 1980, when they went for a safer pop ground. Freddie was the ultimate rock frontman, not a pop frontman like George Michael. I will deduct points from you for your ignorance. "He was a Great and gifted singer in a band who performed rock songs, amongst others." Yes he did. But Queen, if you were around at the time, were a rock band that was ridiculously eclectic. They were not an eclectic band that dabbled in rock. "The sheer scope of the Queen catalogue went beyond the boundaries of what a "rock performer" would normally write and perform." Absolutely. But that gets back to the eclectic nature of the band. Queen and Queen II were rock and toll albums. SHA was perhaps their best "rock" album, but the pop elements were showing with Killer Queen (see Brian's comments on how he wasn't sure about KQ changing the direction of the band.) ANATO had scores of heavy songs, DOTL, IILWMC, Sweet Lady, The Prophet's Song, the heavy section of BR), as did ADATR (TYMD, White Man, Drowse) but lots of other styles. Same with News and Jazz. Queen were a rock band, but as they reached The Game they were less rock, more pop. "Maybe in Adam Lambert, Brian and Roger are trying to bring some of that broader scope of performance and feel back to the band." Maybe not. Maybe they are doing stuff with Adam Lambert to bring Queen to the next generation. Regardless, it is their choice. I choose to be disinterested, you choose to be interested. I have no qualms with your views, but if you say, "if you think about it, neither was Freddie (a rock performer)", you'll be called on it. Listing the songs that he showed he versatility means nothing unless you want to call him a singer instead of a rock singer, which is fine by me. But if you're justifying Adam Lambert as a Broadway singer being form Freddie's world as a singer, you are maybe a lovely person, but musically clueless. |
| Russian Headlong 26.03.2012 09:58 |
Adam Lambert is a C lebrity and not fit to play with Queen. That is the consensus of most longtime Queen fans judging from the Internet. The Knebworth show will be a disaster, its struggling to sell tickets now. Paul Rodgers would have added credibility unlike Lambert. The sad thing is Brin and/or Roger have fallen out with him and think its hip to replace him with Lambert. By the way Jazzy Mercois and Michael Allred are you the same peoeple because you write some crap on here. Jazzy's comment about Paul Rodger's are the lowest of the low. Rodgers has a rich legacy of great music and respect, Lambert is a fake, and not a good one. |
| Queen4ever13 26.03.2012 10:06 |
He might be the topic of discussion at the moment but nobody will remember this guy as having any historical musical significance years from now, so that would rank KISS even higher than him. |
| Vocal harmony 26.03.2012 14:58 |
Sheer Brass Neck, you can't help really can you? Musical imbecile now am I? Or a 14 year old Adam Lambert fan because up until my last post I had only posted 62 times. Your logic and willingness to again throw insults is plain childish. Your to stupid to read and understand what I have clearly said. I pointed out that Queen were a rock band,whose influence went beyond just being a rock band, and the reason that they could often do this is because Freddie was beyond being just a rock singer As far as being 14 years old, I'm not, but maybe you are. I have over twenty years professional experience in the music industry, most of the people I know, or have spoken too who had any kind of professional relationship with Freddie all agreed that he was not a mere rock singer. Funny that you question me thinking Queen were a cabaret or Funk Pop act. Your words, obviously your view. Not mine. I didn't say anything like that. Part of your post is based on insults, part of it you are agreeing with me and the rest you're turning what I have said into something that suits your argument. Your little list of songs from A Night At The Opera makes interesting reading. You have offered those songs as proof of the fact that the album "had scores of heavy songs". You seem willing to go on about people not understanding music. In your list I'm in Love With My Car makes an appearance. Are you even aware that song is a waltz, if you understand the difference in rhythm and time, which I doubt, you would not have put it forward as proof of being a heavy rock song. Yes it's performed like a rock song, but it isn't in 4/4 so in the conventional use of the term, it's not a rock song. In fact your such an imbecile you can't get around the fact that me saying that Freddie was not a rock singer, but in fact was a very gifted versatile singer, with very view limits actually means that I rate him as being far better than anyone your thinking of. I haven't compared Freddie and Adam Lamberts ability as singers, because that would be stupid, and I didn't say that they came from the same musical backgrounds. What I said was maybe Brian and Roger were looking for someone, like Freddie, has a broader scope of influences. Before you start with your mundane insults, which by now you know I'm just going to throw back in your face. Maybe you could try to read and understand what I've written, if that's not beyond what appears to be your very limited intellect. |
| Sheer Brass Neck 26.03.2012 15:46 |
Vocal harmony wrote: |
| Sheer Brass Neck 26.03.2012 15:53 |
Vocal harmony wrote: I haven't compared Freddie and Adam Lamberts ability as singers, because that would be stupid, and I didn't say that they came from the same musical backgrounds. What I said was maybe Brian and Roger were looking for someone, like Freddie, has a broader scope of influences.No you didn't say that :) You said "Donna 13, your comment about Adam not being a rock performer is interesting. If you think about it neither was Freddie." So you, person posting under the handle Vocal Harmony say, quote, in your words, unless your account has been hacked, "your comment about Adam not being a rock performer is interesting. If you think about it neither was Freddie." I question you on that, and then you position it as "what I said was maybe Brian and Roger were looking for someone, like Freddie, has a broader scope of influences." You didn't say that. Not at all. I apologize for disputing something that you didn't post as I should have understood what you had in your head. Maybe I am the imbecile for not understanding what you've written between the lines. |
| Vocal harmony 26.03.2012 17:38 |
Vocal harmony wrote: Donna 13, your comment about Adam not being a rock performer is interesting. If you think about it neither was Freddie. He was a Great and gifted singer in a band who performed rock songs, amongst others. The sheer scope of the Queen catalogue went beyond the boundaries of what a "rock performer" would normally write and perform. Maybe in Adam Lambert, Brian and Roger are trying to bring some of that broader scope of performance and feel back to the band.Sheer Brass Neck, Read the above. Don't take bits of it out of context. There is nothing about Queen not being a rock band, there is nothing comparing Adam Lambert and Freddies vocal abilities . But as you made clear, it's an idiotic statement. Well in your world it is anyway! |
| Sheer Brass Neck 26.03.2012 19:27 |
Fair enough Vocal Harmony, I wasn't being selective, it was the first line that i took issue with and that set the tone for what followed as misguided to me. Your beliefs are yours mine are mine. It seems that we cold go back and forth trying to get the last word in, as long as we both like what we like then all is good :) |
| deleted user 27.03.2012 10:37 |
Hey all Queen fans.. Let Adam Lambert have his little thrill of pretending to be Freddie for a couple of days. What difference does it make to us? I doubt his performance will be remembered for very long. (Unless it is just too awful!) At the end of the day, it is just music and meant to be enjoyed. We have all our genuine Queen albums (with the incomparable Freddie at the mic)to enjoy, and I guess AL's fans will enjoy listening to him sing with Queen! And Brian and Roger will fill their bank accounts a bit more. Win-Win for everybody, right? LOL! |
| Queen4ever13 29.03.2012 09:27 |
Hey is it true Sonisphere has been cancelled?! The fans have placed their verdict. The show must go on only when it includes Freddie. |
| The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 01:23 |
Does anyone honestly think a bunch of Queen fans influenced the decision to shut down an entire festival consisting of dozens of bands? More specifically - is there any fan base for a rock band as thick as Queen fans? |
| Holly2003 30.03.2012 05:39 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Does anyone honestly think a bunch of Queen fans influenced the decision to shut down an entire festival consisting of dozens of bands?True. The festival needed a big current band like Foo Fighters to attract fans, especially for the prices being charged. Queen+PR was only attracting crowds at medium-sized British arenas (10-12,000). Kiss couldn't sell out their last British dates. Faith No More? I liked them but at their peak of popularity in the UK they weren't very well known. Reality check not just for May/Taylor but for festival organisers too. The Real Wizard wrote: More specifically - is there any fan base for a rock band as thick as Queen fans?I know. They are a thick bunch, tending to generalise a lot about a very diverse group of fans from all ages and educational backgrounds (whistles) ... |
| e-man 30.03.2012 08:08 |
in 2005, QPR did wembley arena plus hyde park in 2008, they did 2 nights at the o2 plus wembley arena in addition to all the other arena shows in the UK. healthy numbers I would say |
| The Real Wizard 30.03.2012 15:28 |
Holly2003 wrote: I know. They are a thick bunch, tending to generalise a lot about a very diverse group of fans from all ages and educational backgrounds (whistles) ...Obviously I'm not referring to everyone. No need for the hyperbole. |
| Holly2003 30.03.2012 16:08 |
The Real Wizard wrote:"is there any fan base for a rock band as thick as Queen fans?"Holly2003 wrote: I know. They are a thick bunch, tending to generalise a lot about a very diverse group of fans from all ages and educational backgrounds (whistles) ...Obviously I'm not referring to everyone. No need for the hyperbole. Hyperbole is your problem, not mine. You admitted it on the other thread. Fair enough. Let's move on. |
| GratefulFan 30.03.2012 16:43 |
Holly2003 wrote: I know. They are a thick bunch, tending to generalise a lot about a very diverse group of fans from all ages and educational backgrounds (whistles) ... lol. That was like...meta humor or something. |
| someonewholikesadam 01.04.2012 18:14 |
At least you no longer have to worry about watching and listening to this talentless dolt sing. link |