| bokkepoot 24.02.2012 15:25 |
Hi Everyone, This is not really an announce for a new concert or something. Now you think, why posting this in the Announce forum of Queenzone ? Please let me first explain some thoughts of me. As you all know, megaupload is not available since last month. Because of this lost, I can tell you, more than 80% of all 1-click hosting links was offline here on queenzone. I thought... Time to do something back for the Queenzone-community: Let's bring all links back online. I started with re-posting of the 1973 files on multiupload, but when I reached the year 1976, also multiupload has stopped their upload-services. I was looking for some alternates and found link. Until the year 1979 I have posted on this "multi-upload alternative". Because of stability problems of this site, I have searched again for an alternative and found embedupload.com. I reposted all the links again to this service. When I look back to this "re-upload project" I have to tell that it is an immense job to repost all links. Also annoying are all replies (is it spamming ???) on the board to make the new links public. I have good feelings with organising and handle with huge amounts of data (people from the queenhub know this because of my total queenshare of about 2.5 TB) ! Since approx 2 years I'm sharing in the queenhub all concerts which are mentioned on the download section from link (almost all links on the downloadsection from Queenconcerts.com are pointing to the direct links here on Queenzone). Last year I have lost one of my HD's with all those concerts on it (and no physical backup ofcourse !!). I was really happy that with the help of people in the Queenhub, 1-click hosting links on Queenzone and the torrent archive on Queenzone, I could rebuild this huge collection for more than 95% ! To protect this collection again I can do two things: - buy another HD with a backup of all those files (but in case of for example a fire, I loose again everything.....nok nok nok hope it will never happen !!!!) - Transfer a copy of all files to a trustable 1-click hosting service. From all 1-click hosting services, there were only two more or less trustable services available: - Rapidshare.com (but because of their policy it's not really an option) - Mediafire.com I'm really amazed that shares on mediafire are still available, many years after their original upload. Other plusses are: - sharing collections with just one link. - organizing folders on year, venue and different sources is perfect. - no limits on quantity of shared files. Minus point is: - the bad upload-speed and 200 MB limit. I have personally choosen for the mediafire option. Plus-points: - I have a secure backup on-line. - Relative good policy of Mediafire. - I can help other people too infact that they loose their files for some reason. - I receive a mail from mediafire before my links will be deleted (so I can download them again, or reupload them again) - When the embedupload, multiupload or uploadmirror-links are gone (soon or later) I have a backup on mediafire, also for the torrent-files !! min-points: - Really a huge work again to organise things - From time to time I have to download all those files again so they keep online. solutions for the minus-points: The huge amount of work: no problem for me. the bad upload-speed: I'm using Neembu Uploader, which let me upload all files in batch form (so I fill the queue and go to work and when returning home, all files are uploaded) - From time to time downloading all files: entering the big general share link to all concerts into for example a batch download program called Mipony generates a new download for each single file (the counter before files will be deleted from the mediafire server is reset!!) I see this online collection as an online-archive of Queen(related)-concerts. I do this for personal use. I share it, so other people can use it too. My question to you all: is there a problem with direct linking to download-links without using a topic on Queenzone ? For example: there is shared a new concert (or a remastered or upgraded one) on Queenzone (torrent and/or 1-click hosting). Is there a problem when I download this concert (ofcourse after adding a "thank you" on that specific queenzone-topic) and adding it to the online mediafire database, so other people can download it also there ? The best is that queenfan download the files from the original topic, so I don't want to "promote" my way of sharing files on mediafire !!! I want just to add these files to the mediafire-database. I have plans (not done yet) to add also a direct queenzone-topic-link "file" in the specific share-folder on mediafire, so people can be linked directly to the queenzone-topic. To give you an idea of my (personal) plans, I share here already the concerts of 1973: link If there are problems with sharing this link, please let me know !! I have used the names before the links on queenconcerts.com (downloadsection) As extra I have added to each download link the exacte date when the concert was done (to make it more traceball to which date each link belongs) When there is mentioned Audio 1 or Audio 2 for example, I'm pointing to the order on the download section of Queenconcerts.com ! Ofcourse I keep sharing also all torrent files, which has the future in my opinion !! It's a huge story, so please let me know your thoughts about it !!!! Best regards, Bokkepoot |
| thefallenqueen 24.02.2012 16:48 |
I think this is a fantastic idea though I feel that some long time collectors won't be much appreciated about it as this will be a database where young fans can download within a few days what others have collected and traded over the last 40 years. This could cause some distrust I regret. I AM one of the younger fans - well I've been collecting since 1988 - for many years I concentrated on autographs, I've worked on collecting bootlegs over the few last years. I don't see any problems in putting the files that have been shared here in announce links into this database as it will be a backup for ALL collectors. If re-uploaded with credits to the original uploader/remasterer or what else this should not cause any problems and make it more cleraly arranged than what we have so far. One question remains: why should mediafire be more secure than megaupload. What makes us confident that mediafire won't be closed one day as this happend to megaupload? To make it most complete and unique this database should also contain some more features or files within the folders like credits to the original uploader/taper/lineage, whereever possible a folder with availabe artwork (by Ale Solan/Uxbride/Wardour...) and links to the Bob's website to get the best possible information about the concerts and its lineage. I can't upload any new concerts as most of my collection comes from QZ - thanks to nice people here (which are some hundrets of concerts). I have a very slow internet connection but I would love to help you with this project in any way I can. Hope you succeed with this idea and the other members here will give you the support and encouragemet you need. |
| The Real Wizard 24.02.2012 17:00 |
Great initiative ! Mediafire seems to be stable for now, but who knows how long that will last. Therefore the answer is torrents. Even if the original share is on mediafire, embedupload or wherever, someone can always do a torrent as well. Torrents are peer-to-peer, so as long as Queenzone exists, this is a viable solution. Relying on any website to maintain download links is not the smartest solution. Marco, you put in so much work last month, and most of those links are dead now. So, having either a good search function or an index with links to all the best versions (like at Queenconcerts.com) in torrent form is the way to go. The megatorrent idea was good on the surface, but mistakes and omissions can easily happen when 50 recordings are done at once. It's best to do recordings one at a time, so quality control can be maintained. And if some people can't do torrents, then they either have to learn how to use them or rely on the few direct download links that still work. It seems they will always be inconsistent. |
| The Real Wizard 24.02.2012 17:03 |
thefallenqueen wrote: I think this is a fantastic idea though I feel that some long time collectors won't be much appreciated about it as this will be a database where young fans can download within a few days what others have collected and traded over the last 40 years. This could cause some distrust I regret.Perhaps, but if it's just a compilation of things that have already been done here, it'd just be a matter of convenience. But from a technological standpoint, you've made a good observation. A couple decades ago, it was all snail mail. You exchanged trading lists with people, relied on their quality ratings, and sent tapes or CDRs through the post. A decade ago the process improved - you could send samples via email before making a deal. Nowadays everything is download links and instant gratification. It's convenient, but the joy of waiting for a couple weeks for a package in the mail and repeating the process for years to come is all but lost now. |
| bokkepoot 24.02.2012 17:07 |
Thanks for your thoughts the fallenqueen !! I agree with your feelings in the first line of your reply, that's why I have announced this topic. It is ofcourse possible to created to each share a kind of "thank you to...." text-file which also contains the direct queenzone-link in it to make things more comfortable for the long time collectors and to thank them for their hard work all those years. Any thoughts about this ? Mediafire is not more secure than megaupload. Also are all the torrent's not more secure. For example: here in Holland is closed today the bittorrent-network on the university of Groningen. All kind of "organisations which are representing the music, movie and software industry" are processing against all kind of sharing services. I don't want to be negative, but (for example)it can be a thought that the (dutch)court can forbid the complete torrent network. Adding all kind of artworks, and specific links to Bob's website can be done in a later stadium. My personal priority is to get all the links online and after that me or maybe other people who are more into the Artwork, can do some work ???? |
| bokkepoot 24.02.2012 17:11 |
The Real Wizard wrote:Yes, I remember this feeling. Waiting for many months before a copy of a tape was available.thefallenqueen wrote: I think this is a fantastic idea though I feel that some long time collectors won't be much appreciated about it as this will be a database where young fans can download within a few days what others have collected and traded over the last 40 years. This could cause some distrust I regret.Perhaps, but it's just a sign of the times. A couple decades ago, it was all snail mail. You exchanged trading lists with people, relied on their quality ratings, and sent tapes or CDRs through the post. A decade ago the process improved - you could send samples via email before making a deal. Nowadays everything is download links and instant gratification. It's convenient, but the joy of waiting for a couple weeks for a package in the mail and repeating the process for years to come is all but lost now. These days, people are requesting for shows which were performed yesterday !!! The new sharing idea works not faster than what is happening these days on queenzone ! |
| The Real Wizard 24.02.2012 17:15 |
bokkepoot wrote: It is ofcourse possible to created to each share a kind of "thank you to...." text-file which also contains the direct queenzone-link in it to make things more comfortable for the long time collectors and to thank them for their hard work all those years.It's customary for the sharer to create an info.txt, just so there is a hard copy of the info that differentiates their version of a recording from others that may be floating around. But if they didn't do that, then it's always easy to copy/paste the info from the original thread. That said, naming names isn't such a big deal. After all, we don't share recordings for the accolades. We just want the music to be spread for everyone to enjoy. But if someone is really keen on having their name attached to a recording, they'll be sure to include that info in the info.txt file. |
| bokkepoot 24.02.2012 17:20 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Great initiative ! Mediafire seems to be stable for now, but who knows how long that will last. Therefore the answer is torrents. Even if the original share is on mediafire, embedupload or wherever, someone can always do a torrent as well. Torrents are peer-to-peer, so as long as Queenzone exists, this is a viable solution. Relying on any website to maintain download links is not the smartest solution. Marco, you put in so much work last month, and most of those links are dead now. So, having either a good search function or an index with links to all the best versions (like at Queenconcerts.com) in torrent form is the way to go. The megatorrent idea was good on the surface, but mistakes and omissions can easily happen when 50 recordings are done at once. It's best to do recordings one at a time, so quality control can be maintained. And if some people can't do torrents, then they either have to learn how to use them or rely on the few direct download links that still work. It seems they will always be inconsistent.Lot's of gaps are still missing in sharing torrents. Next thing after this project is to make new torrents for the concerts which are only available in "1-click-hosting" format. I have learned a lot from the "megatorrent-shares" This is not the right way to share things. It's better to focus on single concerts and try to keep the torrents alive. I'm running now approx 700 Queenzone-torrents in utorrent and sometimes my router gives some problems with the quantity of connections (which results in very long waiting times before I can connect to a website (my connection-speed is controlled by netlimiter, so my internet-speed is okay). |
| bokkepoot 24.02.2012 17:26 |
The Real Wizard wrote:I agree with that.bokkepoot wrote: It is ofcourse possible to created to each share a kind of "thank you to...." text-file which also contains the direct queenzone-link in it to make things more comfortable for the long time collectors and to thank them for their hard work all those years.But if someone is really keen on having their name attached to a recording, they'll be sure to include that info in the info.txt file. I haven't changed anything on the content of an earlier posted share, so all info, added artwork and way of naming the audio-files is the same. Only change is the rar-file packaging because of the 200 MB limit from mediafire and to make the way of packaging uniform (with the date in front, followed by the name, mentioned on the downloadsection on queenconcerts.com) |
| The Real Wizard 24.02.2012 17:51 |
Let's just hope there's wide interest in this. If only a few people say they're interested, then we just have to wonder if it's worth the effort. This is going to be a lot of work ! |
| MERQRY 24.02.2012 18:13 |
The Real Wizard wrote: Let's just hope there's wide interest in this. If only a few people say they're interested, then we just have to wonder if it's worth the effort. This is going to be a lot of work ! I second that... the project is more than intresting but it represent a LOT of work |
| MadTheSwine73 24.02.2012 23:14 |
Bless you bokkepoot. |
| eYe 25.02.2012 01:38 |
I received the following mail by mediafire today. So I agree that torrents are the best solution. Thanks to queenzone and the kind sharers I have a huge collection and I would really like to contribute to this project. --- The file Queen Boston 76.part4.rar identified by the key (izy25di2jl5) has been deleted by MediaFire support. The reason for deletion was: Ref: C177422-C177429 Re: (Links attached) Dear Sir/Madam, I am contacting you on behalf of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry (IFPI) and the record companies it represents. The IFPI is a trade association that represents over 1,400 major and independent record companies in the US and internationally who create, manufacture and distribute sound recordings (the "IFPI Represented Companies"). Under penalty of perjury, we submit that we are authorized to act on behalf of the IFPI Represented Companies in matters involving the infringement of their sound recordings, including enforcing their copyrights and common law rights on the Internet. We have learned that your service is hosting the above web pages on your network. These web pages are offering direct links to files for other users to download containing sound recordings by the artists RIHANNA, ROMEO SANTOS, SNOOP DOGGY DOGG, WIZ KHALIFA & SADE. The copyright in these sound recordings is owned or exclusively controlled by certain IFPI Represented Companies. We have a good faith belief that the above-described activity is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law. We assert that the information in this notification is accurate, based upon the data available to us. We are asking for your immediate assistance in stopping this unauthorized activity. Specifically, we request that you remove the infringing links from your system or that you disable access to the infringing links, and that you inform the site operator(s) of the illegality of his or her conduct. Our top priority is to prevent the continued availability of the IFPI Represented Companies' content on the internet. Unauthorized copies of sound recordings that are freely available, especially pre-release recordings, cause substantial damage to the IFPI Represented Companies every hour and day they remain available. In sending this notice we are seeking to ensure that infringing content is removed from the internet as quickly as possible through your cooperation. However, please note that we do not admit that we or the IFPI Represented Companies are responsible for detecting infringing material and notifying you of it. Our use of a notice in this form, as required by you, is meant to facilitate your removal of the infringing material listed above and we neither admit nor accept that you are a 'service provider' for the purposes of the DMCA or that it is necessary to serve, or that you are entitled to be served, a notice in compliance with the DMCA. IFPI itself and on behalf of the IFPI Represented Companies expressly reserves all rights in this regard. In addition, this notice does not constitute a waiver of any right to recover damages incurred by virtue of any unauthorised activities described in this notice, and such rights as well as claims for other relief are hereby expressly reserved. You may contact me at IFPI Secretariat, 10 Piccadilly, London W1J 0DD, United Kingdom or email Notices@ifpi.org, to discuss this notice. We await your response. Yours faithfully Jeremy Banks Director, Internet Anti-Piracy IFPI 10 Piccadilly London W1J 0DD United Kingdom Email: Notices@ifpi.org This is a post-only mailing. Replies to this message are not monitored or answered. |
| Ghostwithasmile is BACK! 25.02.2012 01:45 |
Hey that's a excellent idea but a lot of work. Great you take this iiniative. I had some thoughts about changing the announce section . A build up as a concert per topic and in the topic all the different sources of that specific show are availible. This is a lot more user friendly. |
| bokkepoot 25.02.2012 02:02 |
About the copyright mail from mediafire. Let's hope it will be only a few mails to specific parts of the database (they can be easy re-uploaded with a small change in the name). I think it a plus to upload them something like: "1986-06-21 Audio (Done Under Pressure).part1.rar". There is for search robots etc, no reason to mark this file as "having copyright-content". Let's see how things will develop in the future. |
| thefallenqueen 25.02.2012 02:28 |
I got somre more thoughts... The real wizard wrote: That said, naming names isn't such a big deal. After all, we don't share recordings for the accolades. We just want the music to be spread for everyone to enjoy. But if someone is really keen on having their name attached to a recording, they'll be sure to include that info in the info.txt file. That's right but I think it makes collecting a little better arranged if you have the names attached to see on the first view which recordings you have without checking the lineage, but it's only my way to optimise the organisation of MY collection, maybe not helpfull for everyone. I do have a strong fear that mediafire as well as rapidshare and other services will be closed soon or even files with references to specific artists will be deleted as seen in the mail posting above. I suppose that megaupload was just the stumbling block, music industry will react: for example if like the Live Killers you download Frankfurt, Collogne or Berlin instead - they are much more authentic, if you like Wembley why not take Mannheim in equal quality for free? Queen is only the tip of the iceberg as the internet is full of boolegs from all kinds of artists. Even therefore a change in copyright laws is imaginable. Torrents could be the answer to the questions but to be honest they are not that easy to handle as one klick links. I'm not a dumb cluck but still have problems how to re-seed for example. I tried to create torrents - not only on QZ - that do not work for some reason. Mediafire provides a file manager - how do you want to arrange the torrents? What would be good on mediafire, it's only one account that means one moderator which does not lead to confusion and disorder but also means that all work is up to you - and if mediafire fails the whole project is down (again). |
| thefallenqueen 25.02.2012 02:34 |
b.t.w. torrents imply the meaning or impact of a community! The whole thing will work better as more and more users will get involved... |
| poppo 25.02.2012 06:06 |
What about the audio section of the Internet Archive (link. I don't think this will be out the air very soon. |
| Gaabiizz 25.02.2012 10:56 |
MadTheSwine73 wrote: Bless you bokkepoot. |
| Gaabiizz 25.02.2012 10:56 |
A great idea, I am willing to collaborate!! |
| people on streets 25.02.2012 14:18 |
This is the way to go: link link link IMHO, the name queenbootlegs.com isn't a good one. You would not want the word bootlegs to be associated with it. |
| brunogorski 25.02.2012 21:28 |
Well, we can use queen-boots.com! So the people would think that it's an epic website that sells boots to queens. LOL |
| Hangman_96 26.02.2012 04:41 |
That's a great idea. I second it. |
| GratefulFan 26.02.2012 12:33 |
I'd be happy to offer my skills in writing a full service database and content management system including adding/maintaining/indexing/searching etc. We could design it however we wanted and ensure near perfect quality control in how the information associated with each recording is gathered and presented. I pitched something like this some time ago to index all the best Queen information and resources on the net, but maybe just an initial focus on live recordings might make more sense. Each boot could include links to the appropriate concert on queenlive.ca or other internet resource if desired etc. In short we could make a completely custom dream system based on the wealth of knowledge right here. Let me know if any of that sounds useful/helpful. Would be glad to pitch in, |
| dave76 26.02.2012 14:28 |
Sounds pretty awesome and i am sure every queenfan would be very "grateful". And the concerts that will be available on this database, are these the ones which have the best quality of each show available? |
| tcc 26.02.2012 18:58 |
There is already a listing of all the bootlegs here: link It just needs the help of everyone to keep it complete by submitting new threads for the concerts under the "submit new" click. The problem is where to park the bootlegs for the people to access: 1. at a file sharing site for one click download which is now at risk of being shut down 2. at everyone's hard disk to seed via a torrent. The next consideration is how to put the new updated links upfront in the old threads so that it does not get lost in the posts subsequent to the update post. I think it would be alright to do a new thread with a link to the old thread so as to save re-writing the setlist information etc and to give credit where it is due. |
| GratefulFan 26.02.2012 19:46 |
We could do much, much better than a list where people have to bump threads. We could have a facility to add, remove, describe, guided downloads for newbies who don't know where to begin to collect, flexible searching on varied and multiple criteria, filtering on tour, quality, year etc, featuring of newest uploads, email notifications for new adds or whatever, automatic email forwarding of requests for unseeded boots to people who have indicated their ability/willingness to seed, multiple administrators, etc. etc. etc. etc. There could be an automatically updated personal list of all a users' downloads vs. what is available so it's clear to new and newish collectors what they are missing. Whatever is done largely manually now we can find a way to improve. People may have other ideas on how to proceed- there are of course many options. But we can do a lot better than the current process with a true database driven solution and this is a natural time to rethink things because of the changes with megaupload etc. As I said earlier, I can help if there is interest. |
| The Real Wizard 26.02.2012 20:29 |
The existing system is pretty good. The only truly necessary step is to get everything up as torrents. Links are conveniently organized at Queenconcerts.com, but it'd be nice if someone deleted some of the links to inferior versions to minimize the clutter. My website is always there as a guide for version A vs. version B. It's almost better not to have everything in one place, as it would encourage dialogue between people instead of just having a bunch of people pointing and clicking and being on their merry way. It's 1% of the work being proposed here, and the end product will be about the same. I'm always in favour of simpler, more time-efficient methods. But of course, feel free to do whatever you'd like, folks. |
| GratefulFan 26.02.2012 22:09 |
You guys would know better than I what would work best. I don't even use torrents/downloads and never come to this part of QZ but the word 'database' caught my eye on the main page. What I do know is database stuff and wringing the most out of them and building great user interfaces for the web. As they say, when you're a carpenter everything looks like a nail. :) My thinking was that it might be good to build something that works for the complete neophyte and the experienced collector alike and I thought it would be cool to have a really great system grow out of the Queen fan community. But perhaps that's already happened to the satisfaction of most, so just know that the offer always stands. |
| The Real Wizard 26.02.2012 23:18 |
Duly noted :-) |
| thefallenqueen 27.02.2012 02:52 |
I'd propose to keep it as simple as possible. Clear website with list of all concerts in chronological order or tour by tour as seen on Martin's and Bob's websites. If you click the date you are connected to: 1) TORRENTS of ALL available sources 2) GENERAL DISCUSSION links to QZ threats 3) GENERAL INFORMATION about the concerts (weblink to queenconcerts.com) 4) LINEAGE and FURTHER INFORMATION (weblink to queenlive.ca) 5) ARTWORK links wherever availabe (queenlive.ca/Ale Solan picasa web album. This would combine the information and advantages of all relevant databases to limit the complexity of this gigantic intention. Think we shouldn't reinvent the wheel. Above mentinoned websites are excellent databases already! And as Bob said disussion in the QZ forum should go on. For my own use I created an excel sheet with one bootleg cover artwork for each concert and clickable hyperlinks to queenconcerts.com/queenlive.ca which makes my "database" quite simple and effective. Sth like that in a webbased version shouldn't cause huge problems for someone who knows how to design a website. And I'm sure Bob or Martin wouldn't mind to provide their list(s) of concerts for this! |
| GratefulFan 27.02.2012 08:39 |
Just for the record, relational databases do not make thinks more 'complex', they make things exponentially more powerful. The presentation of the data can be as simple or as involved as any individual user desires. The proposal was not to replace the excellent websites that are out there already but to complement and augment their intentions and facilitate access to them in a powerful and flexible way. It's not 'reinventing the wheel', it's putting the excellent wheels that already exist on a Maserati. Speaking purely from a technical standpoint, regardless of the subject matter, a list of manually maintained weblinks is simply not an optimal solution to organize data with the tools that are available in 2012. I'm sure whatever is done will continue to serve the community just fine, but I can picture the excellence of the end product I'm proposing so clearly, and people should make sure they're not resisting change just for the sake of it. |
| people on streets 28.02.2012 10:04 |
link for info link for torrents |
| GratefulFan 28.02.2012 11:18 |
^ exactly! We can do this for Queen, if we want. But better, because Queen deserves the best. Fully integrated with Queenzone and all the great resources already out there. It's not just about providing links to torrents for the knowledgeable - it is a whole integrated system that serves to promote, share and provide a platform for the music to live on accessible to everyone regardless of knowledge or experience. |
| people on streets 01.03.2012 14:10 |
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| Ale Solan 01.03.2012 14:17 |
I think it's a brilliant idea (and of course takes lotta work) and I'm willing to help in anything you might ask ; ) and of course, I'll keep all the artwork coming ASAP... I'm always working on it. |
| Stormtrooper076 01.03.2012 23:14 |
I really appreciate your efforts to do this. There's many shows I didn't get and appreciate anything you can do. |
| The Real Wizard 02.03.2012 01:07 |
You can start here: link |
| tonyyy 05.03.2012 17:18 |
I think it's really a great idea! Having something a bit more organized would be very useful according to me. Thank you in advance! Tony link |
| people on streets 16.05.2012 13:28 |
link |