|It's disgusting. Paul never tried to be like Freddie, he is a legend in his own right with his Free and Bad Company stuff and I liked the Cosmos Rocks. I would go to Sonisphere if he was singing but not with Lambert who just because he is a flamboyant fag does not make him a Freddie replacement. (Cue Homophobic rants). The hypocrisey of Brian and Roger Clebrity then they play with Lambert who is a talentless cunt and all they are doing is trying to be hip with the younger crowd. This is suicide, Rodgers is a proper rocker and would fit in well at sonisphere but Lambert will be bottled and it will be a disaster.
|Because he was lame. Or because he doesn't want to do it anymore.
Take your pick.
|Because Paul Rodgers is the cancer that's killing music.
|because Brian doesn't like Paul anymore
|Jazzy, go fuck yourself. You'll never take the Falklands..
|The Real Wizard
|Maybe they asked Paul first and he declined. Maybe he's on tour. Maybe he's just not interested. It could be as simple as that.
Russian Headlong wrote: Jazzy, go fuck yourself. You'll never take the Falklands..I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FALKLANDS!!! YOU CAN TAKE THEM IF YOU WANT!
PAUL RODGERS IS STILL AIDS
|Looking at the footage from the 2008 tour it is obvious there was a falling out about something. The whole thing started off with great energy and big smiles in Ukraine. By the time they got to Glasgow something negative had happened, Brian was visibly pissed off with Paul, they looked like strangers on the stage.
Brian has always had high standards and puts a lot of work into tiny detail, especially when touring. I think Paul has a more relaxed attitude to life and work, and maybe he didn't put in the time to rehearse as much as Brian would have expected. He did look quite lost on where he should be on the stage at times, and also kinda lost on some of the songs.
Basic stuff, that makes you look amateur, and too much for Brian.
jazzy mercurois wrote:Russian Headlong wrote: Jazzy, go fuck yourself. You'll never take the Falklands..I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FALKLANDS!!! YOU CAN TAKE THEM IF YOU WANT! PAUL RODGERS IS STILL AIDS
We took them and we fixed them. And now you have them back.
|A Word In Your Ear
|I would imagine the main reason being is that Paul (wether you like him or not!!) has had years in the music business & is able of free thought, i.e. if Brian say's, let's do something this way & Paul didn't like what Brian was proposing, I would imagine Paul would stand his ground and say NO!!! where-as "Adam Lambert" would grab at the opportunity to perform with a band as big as Queen, and just be a "yes man" to Brian!!!!
|Perhaps if he sang the songs in the right key might be a good place to start. That annoying warble would grate in no time at all.
A Word In Your Ear wrote: I would imagine the main reason being is that Paul (wether you like him or not!!) has had years in the music business & is able of free thought, i.e. if Brian say's, let's do something this way & Paul didn't like what Brian was proposing, I would imagine Paul would stand his ground and say NO!!! where-as "Adam Lambert" would grab at the opportunity to perform with a band as big as Queen, and just be a "yes man" to Brian!!!!
|Perhaps Brian has a keener ear than most of you Paul Rodgers sychopants. Queen with PR was lifeless and arrangements were changed drastically because of PR's limitations. Fred struggled with vocals at times for varying reasons but he never lacked for energy in his performances.
|Paul Rodgers is a billion times better than Lambert. Justin Hawkins, Matt Bellamy or Jeff Scott Soto would be preferable than Lambert. Its musical suicide going with Lambert. Jazzy you are a moron calling Rodgers aids, twat!
|there's no denying that lambert will act as Brian's well behaved little dog, saying "YES, MASTER".
Paul on the other hand, I would imagine told Brian "No, I don't think so" on several occasion. at least in 2008 when it became apparent that Brian didn't like Paul anymore
|The Real Wizard
Band Forever wrote: Fred struggled with vocals at times for varying reasons but he never lacked for energy in his performances.Yup, nobody can deny that.
|Why would this be considered snubbing Paul Rodgers? Both camps officially released statements confirming the end of their '5 year' relationship but left a "maybe" at the end... which is what you would ALWAYS do.
Besides, they're really snubbing Tim Staffel.
|Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira
|I remember reading something about Queen(+) being the band where Paul Rodgers had spent more time without breaking up in his whole career. Anybody remember that?
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira wrote: I remember reading something about Queen(+) being the band where Paul Rodgers had spent more time without breaking up in his whole career. Anybody remember that?I seem to remember Paul commenting on this during the second Q+PR tour. However, his memory must have been playing tricks, as Q+PR only lasted 5 years (2004-2009) whereas his original stint with Bad Company ran from 1973-1982.
|Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira
|Thanks, JDFC. :)
|I do believe Paul was snubbed. Not too long ago he said he would be open for a "one off" and this is precisely it. Recruiting Adam Lambert does seem to me like a slap on Paul's face.
Don't get me wrong, I get excited at the possibility of Brian and Roger performing as Queen, even if it is with Adam Lambert.
However, to me the Q+PR project had way more credibility.
We're talking about the guy that brought Brian and Roger into touring and recording a brand new Queen album. It was a huge deal back in 2004. I will always be grateful to Paul for this as it was my opportunity to see my idols play live.
|Paul Rodgers never fit the Queen image... AT LEAST Adam Lambert sort of does... no not just because he's a flamboyantly gay singer... but because he has a voice that suits Queen songs + he has stage power AND he's a flamboyantly gay singer.
So not that I approve. But I do approve over Paul Rogers, even though I respect Paul Rogers as a singer WAY more than I do Adam Lambert. Paul Rogers should be with bands that have a blues-based sound much like Free and Bad Company. If Mick Jagger died in the 80s... I would love to hear the Rolling Stones fronted by Paul Rogers in 2012. I'm sure he'd do a great job with most if not all of their pre-83 stuff.
But the Rolling Stones without Mick Jagger is like Queen without Freddie Mercury --> it would never work... (hmmmm....)
Micrówave wrote: Besides, they're really snubbing Tim Staffel.Can he even still sing or perform? That would be interesting to see...
|In a documentary, "Freddie Mercury - The Untold Story" or something, there was a recent interview with him, and he played and sang a portion of Earth. His voice sounded completely different to how it did in Smile, it was all raspy and much more limited in range. I guess that can be expected...
|Just for you Jimmy Dean, Here is Paul with Free (mkII - No Paul Kossoff or Andy Fraser) covering Hony Tonk Woman. in my opinion, this is rubbish for two reasons - 1 the sound guy has the keyboard players mic up waaaayyyyy too much and 2 Paul doesnt look at all comfortable doing lead guitar amd singing at the same time
|paul Rodgers hasnt been snubbed. theyve chosen to work with someone different.
during the Queen+PR tour their was some friction between the three of them and at one point Jef Scott Soto was on standby incase Paul Rodgers walked.
as has been pointed out, Paul Rodgers doesnt really like being in a band where he doesnt have control. look at his history, none of the bands he has been a member of turned out to have much longevity. he has been a solo artist for far longer.
Brian, on his site a few years ago said that when Queen+PR were touring south America they decided that in order to save their friendship enough was enough.
yes both sides have said the door is always open. But both sides have to agree on certain things in order to walk through that door. i dont think it will ever happen.
Brian and Paul are still friends, BM has name cheched him a couple of times on his site over the last year, but as far as performing goes, Queen have moved on. remember no one is freddies replacment.
|It was fun while it lasted. I guess the chemistry (on and off stage) was gone after 5 years.
|Paul Rodgers is GREAT rockstar!
|Voice of Reason 2018
|I think the QPR project had just run its time.
Vocal harmony wrote: Brian, on his site a few years ago said that when Queen+PR were touring south America they decided that in order to save their friendship enough was enough.Sorry - "save their friendship"? Where did he write it on his site?
|Plus, you realize this is a last ditch effort to appeal to a younger audience. It's actually a clever way of marketing, if the kids will actually go out and buy the back catalog just because Adam sang them.
With Paul, you're not opening it up to that crowd. Here, you're hitting both demographics.
Finally, Paul did become a Canadian citizen last year. Who would want to tour with that, eh?
|you still never know, didnt Roger say a few singers?
|I'm not sure why Queen thinks Adam will bring a younger audience. Have you seen the people who attend his concerts? A very large percentage are women in their 50s and 60s.
|Only classic Queen or new material can bring an younger audience .
|Only classic Queen or new material can bring an younger audience.
den (whistle) tures..
Obviously it's marketing AGAIN... same as Paul Rodgers kinda sorta was.
they wanna be big in the USA again.
this might get all those godawful twits (YOUR BRitish phrase) GLEE buying public to consider the greatest band again..
|TWATS, Matt, it's TWATS :-)
|i thought TWIT was like a dimwit.... TWATS are poonanny
|I don't think Adam Lambert is still a name big enough so as to bring new and younger audience to Queen's music. If the choice was made for such reasons, wouldn't Adele have been a better choice?
|I was never into Q+PR, but when compared to Q+Al its classic.
|ParisNair wrote: "I don't think Adam Lambert is still a name big enough so as to bring new and younger audience to Queen's music. If the choice was made for such reasons, wouldn't Adele have been a better choice?'
Can you really imagine Adele (whom is terrific IMO) singing Queen songs? I certainly can't.
|Can I just go on record as saying I'm fully looking forward to Sonisphere
Fuck the haters.
|if you think his use of vibrato is good, you need to clean your ears. seriously.
he f**** slaughters the songs
ParisNair wrote: I don't think Adam Lambert is still a name big enough so as to bring new and younger audience to Queen's music. If the choice was made for such reasons, wouldn't Adele have been a better choice?
It's hard to tell how big a name Lambert is really. He has a fervent core of really dedicated fans in the thousands or tens of thousands who actively conspire to skew the numbers through a number of tactics. Buying the multiple, multiple copies of songs and CDs, spending hours on the internet cycling through voting, dumping history and cookies, voting again, etc.. There is a whole user generated technical how to guide on the official forum that instructs users how to navigate through massive sites likes Billboard, VH1 etc. to rig the web stats, including avoiding bounces, so it appears like there is significant grassroots interest in Adam Lambert. It's not an exaggeration in some cases to compare it to a religious fervor. They see themselves as loyal, obligated supporters of an immense talent who sometimes must toil against an unfair and homophobic music world, necessitating and justifying these tactics. Adam and his management had to tell them to put a lid on it at one point in the past because they were driving station managers so nuts with requests and harassment it was backfiring. It doesn't seem to have occurred to many that the latest single tanked because it's simply not that good. One year, last I think, they tried to organize themselves to buy him a Maserati for his birthday. It's fascinating really. I don't mean to put it down - I mean to puzzle over it. His fan base is in significant part women over 40 up to about 60. Is it a nurturing kind of maternal instinct at the core of it? Not entirely as they're always on about his groin thrusting and alleged hotness. I don't get it, at all, but I can't help but find it oddly compelling.
He's not the only idol either that has inspired that demographic. Long before Adam's fans there were Clay Aikens "Claymates" and David Cook has an obsessive following of his own on a smaller scale. I stumbled over this the other day, which would seem sweet and delightful in the room of a girl, but I do find it difficult to understand in the home of a well grown woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_WhSk0CAY. I get, totally, the passion for somebody's music but I confess I don't get the qualities of this particular fandom.
e-man wrote: if you think his use of vibrato is good, you need to clean your ears. seriously. he f**** slaughters the songs
Somebody, on QOL I think, wrote that you could drive a Pontiac Bonneville through his vibrato. Ha ha.
|His vibrato is the epitome of subtlety ;)
|Ah, Gratful Fan, finally someone who's done his homework about us. Partially. First, up that core fan group to between one and two million internationally. Second, we weren't REALLY going to buy him a Maserati. But we have raised over a million dollars for various charities in his name. I am almost as puzzled as you are as to how I developed this "obsession" but I'm not alone! The female fans I have met are largely very intelligent, successful women. I've met fans at concerts that have traveled from all over the world to concert venues in the US just to see Adam perform. His stage charisma is incredible. His vocals are usually point on night after night. But more than that, we love him as a person. He is smart, funny, driven, humble, very kind, good looking, great fashion sense, treats his fans well. And, yes, we love the
GLAMBULGE as we affectionately call it. He is more like Elvis than Freddie. So I guess our obsession is part maternal, part Mrs. Robinson fantasy, your best girlfriend and a hot lover all rolled up into one. But it was the VOICE initially captured our attention. Now you know the inner workings of a Glambert's mind.:)
|P.S. I've been initially disappointed with all the singles the've released. There's much better music on the album. But EVERY time he does a song live, it's better than the recorded version and he changes it up every time.
|Millions of crazy Adam fans? My goodness. I hope the Queen fans will be able to get a ticket.
|Really there are people who like that guy??
someonewholikesadam wrote: P.S. I've been initially disappointed with all the singles the've released. There's much better music on the album. But EVERY time he does a song live, it's better than the recorded version and he changes it up every time.As a fellow Adam fan, I'm completely with you on that one, I haven't been very enthusiastic about the singles he's released either, with the exception of If I Had You, FYE was much too electronic for me, and WWFM was a bit boring. I still helped promote them though because that is the only way the album would get promoted, and I figure that those were released in the hope that radio would like and play them. Adams own songs on the album are always better than the singles but they are also a bit more unusual and maybe not so radio friendly.
Broken Open is my favourite from FYE, and Down the Rabbit Hole is my second favourite.
However when Adam sings ANYTHING live it immediately takes on a whole other aspect and I even fell in love with WWFM on the Acoustic Live album.
link Broken Open Live Acoustic
link Down The Rabbit Hole Album version.
link WWFM Acoustic Live EP.
|Give Adam a chance,for all you people out there slagging the guy off,have a listen to FYE,he has a great voice.I think he will do well with Brian and Roger,i also think he will have a good stage pescence.He will certainly move around a lot more than Paul Rodgers did on stage.
Montreux wrote: Only classic Queen or new material can bring an younger audience.agreed. "Wayne's World" used authentic Queen music and they were huge for a bit. The Paul Rodgers years didn't help them or enhance anything. It was good for what it was but they shouldn't have called themselves Queen. The Lambert thing is very puzzling. I think they honestly believe a flamboyant gay man with a big voice is what they need. Maybe that's true but Lambert's voice just doesn't have the right tone. This helps Lambert waaaaaay more than Queen. Lambert's career is on a decline already in the US. Most Idol contestants flame out after one album. Lambert has now been given 15 more minutes of fame. I would respect them much more if they recorded new songs instead of another Karaoke revue of Queen's hits. Not saying it's a good idea but at least it wouldn't seem so half-assed.
philip storey wrote: Give Adam a chance,for all you people out there slagging the guy off,have a listen to FYE,he has a great voice.I think he will do well with Brian and Roger,i also think he will have a good stage pescence.He will certainly move around a lot more than Paul Rodgers did on stage.I think everybody has gone and listened to plenty of AL's music, which has further cemented the rejection of him as fronting Queen. Most say he can sing and has some talent but find it almost surreal that he's going to get to front Queen.
|What's the big deal either way? If he pulls a rabbit out of the hat and actually does a good show (as opposed to that crap he did last time) then the very worst thing that'll happen is that a bunch of Queen fans will be wrong.
The onus is on him to deliver for a change.
|^ I guess the big deal, if there is one, is that for everything significant and time consuming they do there's potentially something else that's not being done. It's just disappointing is all.
The upside is that my expectations are so low that it won't take anything at all to exceed them. There's little reason to think he'll do anything other than the 'crap he did last time'. That's what he sounds like. That's who he is, and that's who Brian and Roger hired.
Anyway, I'm boring myself to death on this subject. It's just that it's been hard to understand for some time now how the insticts that built such a great musical legacy veered off so sharply from the instincts of so many of the people that know that output the best and so deeply admire, respect and appreciate it. Impossible subject to determine a 'right' or a 'wrong' but I just miss the passion of loving what these guys do.
someonewholikesadam wrote: Ah, Gratful Fan, finally someone who's done his homework about us. Partially. First, up that core fan group to between one and two million internationally. Second, we weren't REALLY going to buy him a Maserati. But we have raised over a million dollars for various charities in his name. I am almost as puzzled as you are as to how I developed this "obsession" but I'm not alone! The female fans I have met are largely very intelligent, successful women. I've met fans at concerts that have traveled from all over the world to concert venues in the US just to see Adam perform. His stage charisma is incredible. His vocals are usually point on night after night. But more than that, we love him as a person. He is smart, funny, driven, humble, very kind, good looking, great fashion sense, treats his fans well. And, yes, we love the GLAMBULGE as we affectionately call it. He is more like Elvis than Freddie. So I guess our obsession is part maternal, part Mrs. Robinson fantasy, your best girlfriend and a hot lover all rolled up into one. But it was the VOICE initially captured our attention. Now you know the inner workings of a Glambert's mind.:)
Her homework. :) And since I now know the inner workings of a Glambert's mind that makes us best friends and we can't lie to each other. So let's start with acknowledging that the seeds of that Maserati purchase absolutely were serious and 100% real. I remember it well and can link to evidence, but I'd rather not because it's documented for all time at a place that is rather disparaging to fans. However it is to the group's credit that a crazy idea of a few was quickly substituted for a good idea of many, and one of the clear benefits of an older fan base is the ability for people with disposable income to make a real difference. So a sincere congratulations on the charitable contributions Lambert fans's have amassed in his honour.
I didn't mean to imply that Adam only has a few thousand score of dedicated fans, only that the core that goes bananas trying to manipulate the numbers for him is more limited. If it wasn't, one or two million people buying 50 copies of a CD and hammering on votes and polls and internet links for dozens of hours in any given week would make more of a mark. I understand the passion, but I am taken aback a little at openness of the manipulation. It's like a whole hive mind has completely lost the ability to even wonder if trying to run the music industry from one's den is either normal or ethical.
I"m really bad for making unilateral statements like "he has no real feeling/charisma/connection" like I"ve got the last word on it. LOL @ me. These things, like the superlatives about his character and the contribution of the 'GLAMBULGE' (!) to the net hotness of the planet, are of course entirely subjective. I do get that he genuinely inspires and thrills many people, and I'm glad for you on that front. It's a nice feeling. Enjoy whatever comes out of Sonisphere. But just remember every time you're thrilling over that scream or that vibrato or that eye scalding thing he does with his hips, I"ll be somewhere dying a little inside.
|I don't really like either Paul Rogers or Adam Lambert. But, I think Lambert will do justice to the songs more so than Rogers. Let's just wait to see how it comes off.
|Ah, Grateful Fan, now you are making me feel sad for all the Queen fans who have lost their beloved and I hope some artist some day reinspires your passion. Yes, Adam is polarizing. You either love him or (almost) hate him. I have a bad habit of trying to make others "see the Adam light," much to the chagrin of my friends, family and sometimes complete strangers. I only hope he puts on a good show for everyone at Sonisphere. It is probably selfish for us Glamberts to want to bask in this moment since it is hurtful to Queen fans and we have a brand new Adam album and tour to look forward to so I'll go back to my Glambert world. But if you ever decide to visit us, I promise youll have a blast!
P.S. at the Academy Awards Adam is sitting at the table with Elton John and Smokey Robinson. He is very well liked and respected among fellow artists. Okay. done. come visit at Adam lambert aikenforums. We'll make you feel welcome.
|Thanks for the thoughts. :) No worries - the news hasn't gone over like a lead balloon everywhere in Queen fandom. As you've seen here some are looking forward to it or reserving judgement. For the gazillions out there who are casual fans of the band this is great news and the decision probably serves the immediate interests of the majority out there just fine. For the rest of us there's plenty in an amazing catalogue that nobody can ever change to still feel passionate about.
And for the record, I don't think Lambert proselytizing is a bad habit at all. :) It's natural that when we like or love something to want to share it, like a gift. Except sometimes that gift is like 365 day old fruitcake that nobody wants. lol
Anyway, pop over any time with updates or thoughts or whatever, and enjoy the new album.
|"for everything significant and time consuming they do there's potentially something else that's not being done"
Oh, tell me. Ever since "On An Island" came out 6 or so years ago, I've been thinking "Brian should just ditch the morons he's playing with and do an album like this".