| rhyeking 26.07.2011 00:37 |
In answering a post on the Serious thread, I played out what might have happened if Freddie had offered "We Are The Champions" up during the Opera sessions, when he claims he wrote it. That got me thinking that in the early days, Queen could have put out very different albums if only one or two circumstances had been slightly different. Let's take a look... Given when we know songs were written (or at least started), some even predating Queen, if they'd been used at that time, here's what we might have seen: Queen (1972): Keep Yourself Alive Doing All Right Great King Rat White Queen (As It Began) Hangman Liar Polar Bear Son And Daughter Jesus See What A Fool I've Been Queen II (1973): Tie Your Mother Down (Edit) Step On Me * My Fairy King Mad The Swine The Night Comes Down Ogre Battle Modern Times Rock 'N' Roll Feelings Stone Cold Crazy The Seven Seas Of Rhye * I previously had this as "Great King Rat," accidentally placing it on two albums (serves me right posting at 1 AM) Queen III (1973): Procession Father To Son Brighton Rock Solo Loser In The End The Fairy Feller's Master-Stroke Nevermore The March Of The Black Queen Funny How Love Is Sheer Heart Attack (1974): Now I'm Here Killer Queen Tenement Funster Flick Of The Wrist Lily Of The Valley In The Lap Of The Gods Sheer Heart Attack Dear Friends Misfire Bring Back That Leroy Brown She Makes Me (Stormtrooper In Stilettos) In The Lap Of The Gods...Revisited God Save The Queen A Night At The Opera (1975): Death On Two Legs (Dedicated to... Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon I'm In Love With My Car You're My Best Friend '39 Sweet Lady Seaside Rendezvous The Prophet's Song Love Of My Life Good Company Bohemian Rhapsody We Are The Champions A Day At The Races (1976): A Day At The Races Fanfare White Man You Take My Breath Away Long Away The Millionaire Waltz You And I Somebody To Love Let Me Out* Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy Drowse Teo Torriatte (Let Us Cling Together) * I'm not sure when Brian wrote this, but he's said it was an old song when he used it on the Star Fleet Project, so I'm guessing he had it written by 1976. I may be wrong. News Of The World (1977): We Will Rock You Turn On The TV Feelings, Feelings All Dead, All Dead Spread Your Wings Fight From The Inside Get Down, Make Love Sleeping On The Sidewalk Who Needs You It's Late My Melancholy Blues We Will Rock You (Fast) |
| i-Fred 26.07.2011 01:21 |
hahaha Queen III..... .. Actually... There doesnt appear to be many a song on this Queen III cut... Which, by Queens standards they would of tried to make an even better album than the first two., But, in a another world.... eh em.... Queen III would of been pretty cool, even just as an album title. |
| dysan 26.07.2011 03:26 |
Good thread! I've been thinking about this quite a bit with these reissues. |
| Benn Kempster 26.07.2011 08:41 |
Yep - cracking thread RhyeKing. Early Queen were simply unstoppable - doing something that no other Glam Rock bands had even tried to do - be taken seriously as rock bands in competition with the established Zeppelin, Who, Stones etc. You've missed out "Silver Salmon" which would sit in place of "Feelings" IMVHO; "Feelings" has always sounded to me as if it was nothing more than a studio jam based on an improvised riff as opposed to being the basis for an actual song. Freddie's just scat singing lyrics as he was prone to do but there's nothing there in terms of structure - all very loose and brilliant. So for "Queen" I'd tack "Feelings" and "Silver Salmon" together where the bootlegged tracks have been split and have them on as a single track under the title "Silver Salmon". I'd happily leave out "Polar Bear" as Freddie was never really going to get to grips with that key at that stage and nothing but a perfect vocal would have been released for a song that delicate. Having said that, all bootleg copies of the track run W A Y too fast to make a decent judgement. "Stone Cold Crazy" is also missing from the first two albums and I'd slot it in there on "Queen II". You also have "Great King Rat" on both "Queen" and "Queen II" - that's an interesting one because the versions we have available to us are quite different as opposed to the various versions of "Keep Yourself Alive" and "Liar" on the BBC Sessions. Therefore, I'd have "GKR" from the BBC Session 3 on "Queen II" and then the version of "Son And Daughter" from the BBC Session 2. "Queen" Keep Yourself Alive Doing All Right Great King Rat White Queen See What A Fool I've Been - 2011 Remaster Bonus Track Version Hangman Liar Silver Salmon Jesus Son And Daughter - BBC Session 2 Version "Queen II" The Seven Seas Of Rhye - "Queen" version. Tie Your Mother Down My Fairy King Stone Cold Crazy The Night Comes Down Ogre Battle Modern Times Rock And Roll Mad The Swine Great King Rat - BBC Session 3 Version The Seven Seas Of Rhye To me, "Queen II" is then a slightly disappointing follow-up to the debut album and doesn't carry the drama the version they released does. However, what it *DOES* do is display a different Queen in terms of there being an overall lighter feel to the material on the LP. I'm then not sure that the next release could have gotten away with being called "Queen III" - the comparisons to Zep would have been too easy to hold against Queen and the content of the album being that much "riffier" would have lead them down a tricky path. "Monkey Business", "Horse Feathers" or "Duck Soup" would have kicked off the Marx Bros. link, but I'm not certain Freddie would have been thinking along those lines at that stage I did also have a track list somewhere for a double album of the material that made up "A Night At The Opera" and "A Day At The Races" - will try to dig it out if I can, but I always thought they'd have done something along the lines of what Zep did with "Physical Grafiti" and put out a really grand LP of material. |
| rhyeking 26.07.2011 09:51 |
Oops, yes, I did put GKR on two albums. That's what happens when I shuffle around tracks and forget to delete one. I just changed it to "Step On Me." The title Queen III was just sort of a place holder really for whatever such an intermediate album could have been called. And yes, it has 8 tracks instead of 10, but the Brighton Rock Solo could be long enough to push the album to about 40 minutes. It's interesting that there might have been enough material for a whole album, or maybe an EP, with the stuff they didn't record or were B-sides: Hangman Mad The Swine See What A Fool I've Been Step On Me Polar Bear Feelings Green Vagabond Outcast or any of the other songs from the Ibex/Wreckage days. I was also stretching reality to the point where I'd assume each song (outtakes particularly) would be completed properly, as opposed to appearing as the unpolished versions we have. I didn't put "Silver Salmon" on any of them because as it's a Tim Staffell-penned track, along with "Earth," and figured that Queen would draw the line at a song not at least co-authored by one of them (hence the Brian/Tim songs getting a pass). I also didn't put on the "Rock And Roll Medley," "April Lady," "If I Were A Carpenter," or any of the others. And obviously the whole thing is to spark discussion. The possibilities are many and I'd love to see what other people come up with. |
| aarongtz 26.07.2011 12:45 |
You missed Silver Salmon, which I think it's from the NOTW sessions....And I would put Stone Cold Crazy On the "Queen" album |
| dysan 26.07.2011 13:03 |
I listened to the Queen I version of SSOR for the first time in ages last night, and it's quite interesting to think we've had a demo of a great track under our noses all these years. Imagine if they didn't release it and we'd just heard it now. There must be LOADS of stuff like that in the vault. |
| MadTheSwine73 26.07.2011 14:38 |
Wait... Tie Your Mother Down is from 1973? |
| dysan 26.07.2011 14:56 |
Supposedly earlier - '68? |
| MadTheSwine73 26.07.2011 14:59 |
Wow... Well, you learn something new everyday! |
| MERQRY 26.07.2011 19:47 |
Isn't " Turn On The TV" only a work tittle for "Sheer heart attack" ?? i guess if they would put "sheer heart attack" in SHA -album- they don't need to re-work the song,so "Turn on the tv" must not exists.... or are you saying that Turn on the TV would be a song very similar to Sheer heart attack (in NOTW album) and Sheer heart attack (in SHA album) would be a complete different song?? sorry if i confused the post too much! -------------------------- to MadTheSwine7973: Tie your mother down was written by brian in a clasical guitar when he was doing one of his degree in astrophysic (or something like that) so probably is a song wich could has been added tothe Queen II album |
| rhyeking 26.07.2011 20:41 |
"Turn On The TV" is the B-side to the "I Wanna Testify" single, written by Roger and recorded during the NOTW sessions, so I felt it appropriate that it could be a candidate for inclusion either as is or with the other three members of Queen on it. And I believe Brian wrote TYMD from between September and October, 1971, during his time on the mountainside of Mount Teide, Tenerife, in the Canary Islands of Spain, at the Observatorio del Tiede at Izana (altitude of 7,770 feet). |
| i-Fred 26.07.2011 20:56 |
aarongtz wrote: You missed Silver Salmon, which I think it's from the NOTW sessions....And I would put Stone Cold Crazy On the "Queen" album queenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueenqueen I thought SS was written way back before the NOTW sessions. Even Freddies voice sounds like its from the early days. |
| MERQRY 26.07.2011 21:24 |
rhyeking wrote: "Turn On The TV" is the B-side to the "I Wanna Testify" single, written by Roger and recorded during the NOTW sessions, so I felt it appropriate that it could be a candidate for inclusion either as is or with the other three members of Queen on it. And I believe Brian wrote TYMD from between September and October, 1971, during his time on the mountainside of Mount Teide, Tenerife, in the Canary Islands of Spain, at the Observatorio del Tiede at Izana (altitude of 7,770 feet). ---------- Thanks for the info! as you could see i not know much about Roger taylor work without Queen (i must say i don't like his solo work too much)... Yes! there in the Canary islands Brian learned some of the Spanish that he speaks (and he speaks spanish very well) |
| Voice of Reason 2018 27.07.2011 06:13 |
It's interesting allright. How about if we had got one album instead of The Works, Strange Frontier and Mr. Bad Guy? Say: Radio Gaga I Want to Break Free It's a Hard Life Hammer to Fall Strange Frontier Man on Fire Killing Time I Cry For You I Was Born to Love You Made In Heaven Living on my Own Love Kills Now that's a strong listing and a few quality b-sides available too! Cheers! |
| qrock 27.07.2011 08:30 |
What could have been: Queen - 1972 Keep Yourself Alive Doing All Right Great King Rat My Fairy King Liar The Night Comes Down Modern Times Rock n Roll Son and Daughter Jesus Queen II - 1973 Tie Your Mother Down Instrumental Hangman Step On Me Mad the Swine Feelings Polar Bear See What a Fool I've Been April Lady Silver Salmon Seven Seas of Rhye Instrumental Queen III - 1973 Procession Father to Son White Queen Someday One Day Loser in the End Ogre Battle The Fairy Feller's Masterstroke Nevermore The March of the Black Queen Funny How Love Is Seven Seas of Rhye Sheer Heart Attack - 1974 Brhton Rock Killer Queen Tenement Funster Flick of the Wrist Lily of the Valley Now I'm Here In the Lap of the Gods Stone Cold Crazy Dear Friends Misfire Bring Back That Leroy Brown She Makes Me In the Lap of the God's Revisited A Night at the Opera: Death on Two Legs Lazing on a Sunday Afternoon I'm in Love with My Car You're My Best Friend 39 Sweet Lady Seaside Rendezvous The Prophet's Song Love of My Life Good Company Bohemian Rhapsody We are the Champions (short instrumental version) God Save the Queen A Day at the Races: A Day at the Races Fanfare Tie Your Mother Down You Take My Breath Away Long Away The Millionaire Waltz You and I Somebody to Love White Man Good Old Fashioned Lover Boy Drowse Teo Torriatte A Day at the Races Outro News of the World: We Will Rock You We are the Champions Sheer Heart Attack All Dead, All Dead Spread Your Wings Turn on the TV Fight from the Inside Get Down, Make Love Sleeping on the Sidewalk Who Needs You It's Late My Melancholy Blues We Will Rock You Fast News of the World Outro (STOMP STOMP CLAP) Jazz: Mustapha Fat Bottomed Girls Jealousy If You Can't Beat Them Let Me Entertain You Dead on Time In Only Seven Days Dreamer's Ball Fun It Leaving Home Ain't Easy Don't Stop Me Now More of that Jazz Jazz Medley More of the Jazz reprise The Game: Play the Game Dragon Attack Another One Bites the Dust Need Your Loving Tonight Crazy Little Thing Called Love Rock It Don't Try So Hard A Human Body Sail Away Sweet Sister Coming Soon It's a Beautiful Day (short, instrumental version) Save Me Hot Space: Staying Power Dancer Back Chat Body Language Soul Brother Action this Day Put Out the Fire Life is Real Calling All Girls Las Palabras de Amor Cool Cat Under Pressure The Works: Radio Ga Ga Tear it Up It's a Hard Life Man on the Prowl Machines There Must Be More to Life Than This I Want to Break Free I Go Crazy Hammer to Fall Is This the World We Created A Kind of Magic: One Vision A Kind of Magic One Year of Love Pain is So Close to Pleasure Love Kills Friends Will Be Friends Who Wants to Live Forever A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling Gimme the Prize Love Me Like There is No Tommorow In My Defense Don't Lose Your Head Princes of the Universe A Kind of Magic Reprise Heavy, Extended Version Forever The Miracle: Party Khashoggi's Ship The Miracle I Want it All Hijack My Heart Breakthru The Invisible Man Rain Must Fall I Guess We're Falling Out My Baby Does Me Scandal Stealin Hang on In There Chinese Torture Was it All Worth It Innuendo; Innuendo I'm Going Slightly Mad Headlong I Can't Live With You Don't Try So Hard Self Made Man Ride the Wild Wind Robbery All God's People These are the Days of Our Lives Delilah The Hitman Bijou The Show Must Go On |
| br5946 27.07.2011 13:28 |
qrock - Why do you have Don't Try So Hard on The Game AND Innuendo? Bizarre. And also, you missed out the Queen version of Let Me In (Your Heart Again) when you planned out The Works! Sorry for the exclaimation, but I love the Anita version on Talking of Love, and I think the Queen version with Freddie on vocals would be fab! It IS in the vault, somewhere... |
| MadTheSwine73 27.07.2011 19:42 |
br5946 wrote: qrock - Why do you have Don't Try So Hard on The Game AND Innuendo? Bizarre. And also, you missed out the Queen version of Let Me In (Your Heart Again) when you planned out The Works! Sorry for the exclaimation, but I love the Anita version on Talking of Love, and I think the Queen version with Freddie on vocals would be fab! It IS in the vault, somewhere... ============================================================== I think he meant to write Don't Try Suicide. |
| MadTheSwine73 27.07.2011 20:12 |
Also, didn't Brian say that the original title for Queen II was Over The Top? |
| dysan 28.07.2011 04:00 |
This thread went downhill fast. |
| rhyeking 28.07.2011 07:25 |
Overshadowed by the 3rd batch of remasters' bonus tracks, I guess. Oh well. |
| MadTheSwine73 02.08.2011 22:33 |
Ok, I know this is really late, but I finally came up with a list: Queen (1972) 1. Keep Yourself Alive 2. Doing All Right 3. Great King Rat 4. White Queen (as it began) 5. Liar 6. Polar Bear 7. Earth (with Tim Staffell) 8. Son And Daughter (BBC Version) 9. Jesus 10. See What A Fool I’ve Been 11. Seven Seas Of Rhye… Over The Top (1973) 1. Seven Seas Of Rhye 2. Silver Salmon 3. My Fairy King 4. Modern Times Rock ‘N’ Roll 5. Feelings 6. Step On Me (with Tim Staffell) 7. Mad The Swine 8. The Night Comes Down 9. Stone Cold Crazy 10. Tie Your Mother Down (Instrumental) Queen II (1974) 1. Procession 2. Father To Son 3. Some Day One Day 4. I Can Hear Music 5. The Loser In The End 6. Ogre Battle 7. The Fairy Feller’s Master-Stroke 8. Nevermore 9. Goin’ Back 10. The March Of The Back Queen 11. Funny How Love Is Sheer Heart Attack (1974) 1. I Do Like To Be Beside The Seaside 2. Brighton Rock 3. Killer Queen 4. Tenement Funster 5. Flick Of The Wrist 6. Lily Of The Valley 7. Now I’m Here 8. In The Lap Of The Gods 9. Dear Friends 10. Misfire 11. Bring Back That Leroy Brown 12. She Makes Me (Stormtrooper In Stilettos) 13. In The Lap Of The Gods… Revisited 14. God Save The Queen A Night At The Opera (1975) 1. Death On Two Legs (Dedicated To… 2. Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon 3. I’m In Love With My Car 4. You’re My Best Friend 5. ‘39 6. Sweet Lady 7. Seaside Rendezvous 8. The Prophet’s Song 9. Love Of M Life 10. Good Company 11. Bohemian Rhapsody 12. We Are The Champions (instrumental) A Day At The Races (1976) 1. A Day At The Races Fanfare 2. Tie Your Mother Down 3. You Take My Breath Away 4. Long Away 5. The Millionaire Waltz 6. You And I 7. Let Me Out 8. Somebody To Love 9. White Man 10. Good Old-Fashioned Lover Boy 11. Drowse 12. Teo Torriatte (Let Us Cling Together) 13. A Day At The Races Outro News Of The World (1977) 1. We Will Rock You (Fast) 2. Sheer Heart Attack 3. All Dead, All Dead 4. Spread Your Wings 5. Fight From The Inside 6. Get Down, Make Love 7. Sleeping On The Sidewalk 8. Feelings, Feelings 9. Who Needs You 10. It's Late 11. Turn On The TV 12. My Melancholy Blues 13. We Will Rock You 14. We Are The Champions 15. News Of The World Outro Jazz (1978) 1. Coming Soon (Brian Vocal Intro) 2. Mustapha 3. Fat Bottomed Girls 4. Jealousy 5. Bicycle Race 6. If You Can't Beat Them 7. Let Me Entertain You (WATC Ending) 8. Dead On Time 9. In Only Seven Days 10. Dreamers Ball 11. Fun It 12. Leaving Home Ain't Easy 13. Don't Stop Me Now 14. More Of That Jazz 15. Jazz Medley 16. More Of That Jazz (reprise) The Game (1980) 1. Play The Game 2. Dragon Attack 3. Another One Bites The Dust 4. Need Your Loving Tonight 5. Crazy Little Thing Called Love 6. Rock It (Prime Jive) 7. Sandbox 8. Don't Try Suicide 9. It’s A Beautiful Day 10. Sail Away Sweet Sister 11. Coming Soon 12. Save Me Flash Gordon (1981) 1. The Dark 2. Flash's Theme 3. In The Space Capsule (The Love Theme) 4. Ming's Theme (In The Court Of Ming The Merciless) 5. The Ring (Hypnotic Seduction Of Dale) 6. Football Fight 7. In The Death Cell (Love Theme Reprise) 8. Execution Of Flash 9. The Kiss (Aura Resurrects Flash) 10. Arboria (Planet Of The Tree Men) 11. Escape From The Swamp 12. Flash To The Rescue 13. Vultan's Theme (Attack Of The Hawk Men) 14. Battle Theme 15. The Wedding March 16. Marriage Of Dale And Ming (And Flash Approaching) 17. Crash Dive On Mingo City 18. Flash's Theme Reprise (Victory Celebrations) 19. The Hero Hot Space (1982) 1. Staying Power 2. Dancer 3. Back Chat 4. Body Language 5. Action This Day 6. Put Out The Fire 7. Life Is Real (Song For Lennon) 8. Calling All Girls 9. Las Palabras De Amor (The Words Of Love) 10. Feel Like 11. Cool Cat (With David Bowie) 12. My Boy 13. Soul Brother 14. Under Pressure (With David Bowie) The Works (1984) 1. Radio Ga Ga 2. Love Kills 3. Tear It Up 4. Man On Fire 5. It's A Hard Life 6. Man Made Paradise 7. Man On The Prowl 8. Machines (Or 'Back To Humans') 9. I Want To Break Free 10. Keep Passing The Open Windows 11. Hammer To Fall 12. There Must Be More To Life Than This 13. Is This The World We Created...? A Kind Of Magic (1986) 1. One Vision 2. A Kind Of Magic 3. One Year Of Love 4. Pain Is So Close To Pleasure 5. Love Making Love 6. Friends Will Be Friends 7. A Dozen Red Roses For My Darling 8. Who Wants To Live Forever (with Forever) 9. You Are The Only One 10. In My Defence 11. Gimme The Prize (Kurgan's Theme) 12. Don't Lose Your Head 13. Princes Of The Universe 14. A Kind Of Magic (Reprise) (original version) The Miracle (1989) 1. Party 2. Khashoggi's Ship 3. The Miracle 4. I Want It All (with acapella intro from single version) 5. The Invisible Man 6. Hang On In There 7. Breakthru 8. Chinese Torture 9. Rain Must Fall 10. Scandal 11. I Guess We’re Falling Out 12. My Baby Does Me 13. Was It All Worth It Innuendo (1991) 1. Innuendo (wind and explosion) 2. I'm Going Slightly Mad 3. Headlong 4. Lost Opportunity 5. I Can't Live With You 6. Don't Try So Hard 7. Ride The Wild Wind 8. All God's People 9. These Are The Days Of Our Lives 10. Freedom Train 11. Delilah 12. The Hitman 13. Bijou 14. Queen Talks/The Show Must Go On In My Defence (1994) 1. Assassin 2. Face It Alone 3. Self Made Man 4. Robbery 5. Dog With A Bone 6. My Life Has Been Saved (1989 Version) 7. Stealin’ (12 Minute Version) 8. Blurred Vision 9. New York, New York 10. Hijack My Heart 11. Rock and Roll Medley (live) 12. Hangman (live) 13. Imagine (live) Made In Heaven (1997) 1. It's A Beautiful Day 2. Made In Heaven 3. Let Me Live (banned version) 4. Mother Love 5. My Life Has Been Saved (1995 Version) 6. I Was Born To Love You 7. Heaven For Everyone 8. Too Much Love Will Kill You 9. You Don't Fool Me 10. A Winter's Tale 11. No-One But You (Only The Good Die Young) 12. It's A Beautiful Day (Reprise) 13. Yeah 14. Track 13 |
| matt z 03.08.2011 17:33 |
You all clearly have too much time on your hands...and i almost went for it.. ALMOST!! ...got outdoors and get some sunshine or something... walk down a street... ...meet somebody... next will be a debate on fictious albums created in the event that John Deacon wasn't chosen as the bassist. |
| rhyeking 03.08.2011 21:12 |
Actually, it only took me about twenty minutes, at 1 AM, watching the baseball highlights while at the cottage. I was taking a break between all the boating, swimming, drinking, fishing, more drinking and partying. |
| MadTheSwine73 03.08.2011 21:56 |
My original version took me 20 minutes, but after the edits and revisiting, it took a total of approx. 40 mins. (over 3 days) |