| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 00:34 |
Since I've got nothing better to do, I was thinking that all of us Queenzone members could make an "official" list of Queen's top ten concerts. I've seen many personal lists, people's favorites, etc. I think it would be great that all of us could build a list using all of our knowledge , and we can show this list to other people, and potentially attract new fans, or get someone to start their recording collection! Here's a criteria for the concerts: -Band performance (instruments) -Crowd performance/atmosphere -Improvs/creativity -Freddie's vocal shape -Concert consistency (does the crowd stay wild, does the band stay strong, etc) For the criteria, we can make adjustments, but for now, I'm going to weigh them equally. Quality should not be a factor--I've seen MANY great gigs in bad quality. The only time quality should come to play, is if there's a tie-breaker thing going on. The gig must also be either complete or complete enough to make a judgement (so gigs that are missing encores, or half the songs will be thrown out). Official concerts can be included as well! This is a list I just made on the fly--this is likely NOT going to be the final list, but it will be interesting to see other opinions, and lists. ORIGINAL LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. Bristol (5/23/1977) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 10. London (12/8/1980) CURRENT LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Boston (1/30/1976) 4. Buenos Aires (3/8/1981) 5. Leeds (5/29/1982) 6. London (12/8/1980) 7. Knebworth Park (8/9/1986) 8. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 9. New York (12/2/1977) 10. Tokyo (5/1/1975) |
| The Real Wizard 06.06.2011 12:59 |
That's a good list. But we kind of our biased by the good-sounding recordings. If we had 20 high quality recordings from the US ANATO tour, I don't think we'd be even considering many of the other tours .... ANATO was Queen's creative and live peak, as far as I'm concerned. |
| Matheusms 06.06.2011 18:12 |
Well, probably it'll look better if you consider this as the "top ten bootlegs". |
| Fireplace 06.06.2011 19:04 |
Are we talking about recordings or the actual experience? I was at Leiden in 1986 and the bootleg hardly reflects the ambience and atmosphere on the night. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:25 |
Gregsynth wrote: Since I've got nothing better to do, I was thinking that all of us Queenzone members could make an "official" list of Queen's top ten concerts. I've seen many personal lists, people's favorites, etc. I think it would be great that all of us could build a list using all of our knowledge , and we can show this list to other people, and potentially attract new fans, or get someone to start their recording collection! Here's a criteria for the concerts: -Band performance (instruments) -Crowd performance/atmosphere -Improvs/creativity -Freddie's vocal shape -Concert consistency (does the crowd stay wild, does the band stay strong, etc) For the criteria, we can make adjustments, but for now, I'm going to weigh them equally. Quality should not be a factor--I've seen MANY great gigs in bad quality. The only time quality should come to play, is if there's a tie-breaker thing going on. The gig must also be either complete or complete enough to make a judgement (so gigs that are missing encores, or half the songs will be thrown out). Official concerts can be included as well! This is a list I just made on the fly--this is likely NOT going to be the final list, but it will be interesting to see other opinions, and lists. 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. Bristol (5/23/1977) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 10. London (12/8/1980) I don't see how Bristol 1977 made the cut or would even be in a top 20 list. To me, that gig is average. Nothing special. Yes Freddie is in good voice for the tour but there were a lot of gigs were he was in good voice. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:27 |
jamster1111 wrote: Gregsynth wrote: Since I've got nothing better to do, I was thinking that all of us Queenzone members could make an "official" list of Queen's top ten concerts. I've seen many personal lists, people's favorites, etc. I think it would be great that all of us could build a list using all of our knowledge , and we can show this list to other people, and potentially attract new fans, or get someone to start their recording collection! Here's a criteria for the concerts: -Band performance (instruments) -Crowd performance/atmosphere -Improvs/creativity -Freddie's vocal shape -Concert consistency (does the crowd stay wild, does the band stay strong, etc) For the criteria, we can make adjustments, but for now, I'm going to weigh them equally. Quality should not be a factor--I've seen MANY great gigs in bad quality. The only time quality should come to play, is if there's a tie-breaker thing going on. The gig must also be either complete or complete enough to make a judgement (so gigs that are missing encores, or half the songs will be thrown out). Official concerts can be included as well! This is a list I just made on the fly--this is likely NOT going to be the final list, but it will be interesting to see other opinions, and lists. 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. Bristol (5/23/1977) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 10. London (12/8/1980) I don't see how Bristol 1977 made the cut or would even be in a top 20 list. To me, that gig is average. Nothing special. Yes Freddie is in good voice for the tour but there were a lot of gigs were he was in good voice. And you would really put 5/9 or 5/8? lol Nearly everything is better about 5/8. Maybe that's part of what SirGH meant when he said we are biased by good quality recordings. And I think Newcastle 12/3 should be in the top ten too. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:29 |
I think you know my list :) The only thing that has changed is that I may know put 5/8/85 and 12/2/79 somewhere in there....and take 5/1/75 out. link |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 20:30 |
To clarify, these are concerts that are available as downloads. I judged them by listening to them. To me Quality doesn't matter--look at the Leiden gig I have up on the list--it's very distant, but it's still listenable to get a good listen on the concert! Bob, I kinda agree and disagree on the Opera subject--while Queen's musical peak were in that era--Freddie wasn't really developed as a singer and frontman yet (that would blossom by the late 70s/early 80s). Going off the available recordings, what Opera concerts would you put high on a list? |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:34 |
Gregsynth wrote: To clarify, these are concerts that are available as downloads. I judged them by listening to them. To me Quality doesn't matter--look at the Leiden gig I have up on the list--it's very distant, but it's still listenable to get a good listen on the concert! Bob, I kinda agree and disagree on the Opera subject--while Queen's musical peak were in that era--Freddie wasn't really developed as a singer and frontman yet (that would blossom by the late 70s/early 80s). Going off the available recordings, what Opera concerts would you put high on a list? Plus there live vocal harmonies were somewhat off then and to me the vocal part of the show didn't have "stability"...all though they never perfected their live background and harmony vocals, it did get a little better within a few years. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:35 |
Gregsynth wrote: This is a list I just made on the fly--this is likely NOT going to be the final list, but it will be interesting to see other opinions, and lists. Unless we have EVERY single recording of every Queen concert, sadly I don't think we can ever make an "official" list. |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 20:43 |
jamster1111 wrote: jamster1111 wrote: "I don't see how Bristol 1977 made the cut or would even be in a top 20 list. To me, that gig is average. Nothing special. Yes Freddie is in good voice for the tour but there were a lot of gigs were he was in good voice." "And you would really put 5/9 or 5/8? lol Nearly everything is better about 5/8. Maybe that's part of what SirGH meant when he said we are biased by good quality recordings. And I think Newcastle 12/3 should be in the top ten too." ========================= Bristol is probably the best gig on the whole Races Tour--you have an awesome crowd, every band member sounds strong (Roger's drumming is something to be noted), Freddie has fun with the crowd, is in good voice, and the gig just sounds overall fantastic. Maybe top 10 is a bit high (maybe in the lower half of the top 20). If any gig is average, it's Earls Court. 5/9 is overall better: The band are MUCH more creative in their improv sections (especially Freddie). Freddie is overall more creative (has nothing to do with his vocal shape or what notes he's hitting, mind you), and uses more of his voice to deliver the songs. Both crowds are awesome, and the atmosphere is more intimate during the slower songs (you can hear crowd members crying on the 5/9 recording). I'd say 5/9 is better overall. I think the first Newcastle should be ranked pretty high (at least top 20). |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 20:45 |
jamster1111 wrote: "Unless we have EVERY single recording of every Queen concert, sadly I don't think we can ever make an "official" list." =================== Well I doubt we'll be able to hear every single concert, so I see no problem in starting now--if something catches our ears, we'll adjust the list! |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 20:49 |
jamster1111 wrote: "Plus there live vocal harmonies were somewhat off then and to me the vocal part of the show didn't have "stability"...all though they never perfected their live background and harmony vocals, it did get a little better within a few years." ======================== I heard some gigs where the harmonies sound pretty much spot on (Boston 1976, for example), but yeah--that part of the show wouldn't start to stabilize until the later half of the 1970s. Keep in mind that Queen's 70s stuff was heavily overdubbed/multi-tracked in the studio--I don't expect picture-perfect replications done live with the harmonies! |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:51 |
Gregsynth wrote: 5/9 is overall better: The band are MUCH more creative in their improv sections (especially Freddie). Freddie is overall more creative (has nothing to do with his vocal shape or what notes he's hitting, mind you), and uses more of his voice to deliver the songs. Both crowds are awesome, and the atmosphere is more intimate during the slower songs (you can hear crowd members crying on the 5/9 recording). I'd say 5/9 is better overall. Jamster1111 wrote: Nearly every song is sung and performed better at 5/8 or tied. The only one better at 5/9 is WATC and I never denied that...but that song in itself is not far better than 5/8, just slightly better. I say about 40% of the songs are tied, 55% are better at 5/8, and 5% are better at 5/9. I've listened to both vocal improvs many times and they are both very good but that kind of stuff is personal preference more than anything. The crowd is much more enthusiastic at 5/8 and the band are enthusiastic about both. And I doubt you can hear someone crying in the audience...that's just bullshit...no one cries that loud for a taper to pix it up which is recording a loud band in a hall filled with thousands of fans making noise. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:53 |
Gregsynth wrote: Keep in mind that Queen's 70s stuff was heavily overdubbed/multi-tracked in the studio--I don't expect picture-perfect replications done live with the harmonies! I'm not saying it had to be perfect but at least decent. Most gigs from 75-79, when singing backup vocals, the band are very out of synch (one pulls away from the mic while the other is still singing). I never got why they couldn't just focus more on it. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 20:54 |
Gregsynth wrote: I think the first Newcastle should be ranked pretty high (at least top 20). To be quite frank, I don't believe Newcastle 12/3 and Glasgow 12/1 fall very far under Newcastle 12/4. After all, a large chunk of songs were better at 12/3 than 12/4. |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 21:01 |
jamster1111 wrote: "Nearly every song is sung and performed better at 5/8 or tied. The only one better at 5/9 is WATC and I never denied that...but that song in itself is not far better than 5/8, just slightly better. I say about 40% of the songs are tied, 55% are better at 5/8, and 5% are better at 5/9. I've listened to both vocal improvs many times and they are both very good but that kind of stuff is personal preference more than anything. The crowd is much more enthusiastic at 5/8 and the band are enthusiastic about both. And I doubt you can hear someone crying in the audience...that's just bullshit...no one cries that loud for a taper to pix it up which is recording a loud band in a hall filled with thousands of fans making noise." ========================== I don't care if Freddie sang "slightly" better at one concert--that's only a small part of the criteria. The BAND (overall) is better and more creative at 5/9. The BAND improvs (along with Freddie's) are more creative and interesting (Freddie does MORE with his voice = more creative, the band does more with the improvs = more creative). The crowd is more UP-FRONT at 5/8's mix (but listening on a relative basis--both crowds are awesome). Take a listen to the section after Now I'm Here (just before the slower songs), you can HEAR crying. Bob mentions it on his site as well. Just listen to it. |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 21:05 |
jamster1111 wrote: "I'm not saying it had to be perfect but at least decent. Most gigs from 75-79, when singing backup vocals, the band are very out of synch (one pulls away from the mic while the other is still singing). I never got why they couldn't just focus more on it.". ================= I was talking strictly pitch in my last post (you said the harmonies were "off" sometimes--which I agree with--I take the words "off" and "harmony" as pitch-related). There's plenty of "decent" harmonies throughout the 70s, not too worried overall. The reason they didn't focus on the harmonies as much--was because they wanted to focus more on the music (the instruments). As long as the harmonies were decent enough, I'm fine. |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 21:09 |
jamster1111 wrote: To be quite frank, I don't believe Newcastle 12/3 and Glasgow 12/1 fall very far under Newcastle 12/4. After all, a large chunk of songs were better at 12/3 than 12/4. ======================= Glasgow isn't good enough to be that high, but I agree that the first Newcastle should at least crack high (possibly 9 or 10--I have to get opinions on that). It's about a 50/50 split on songs for me (both concerts are both ace), but the crowd is a bit better on the later Newcastle (though the first night is good in its own right). |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 21:21 |
Gregsynth wrote: The reason they didn't focus on the harmonies as much--was because they wanted to focus more on the music (the instruments). As long as the harmonies were decent enough, I'm fine. If they focused on the instruments, then why did Brian May fuck up at about 60% of the concerts? And i don't mean tiny blenders that nobody would notice but wrong notes or guitars. We hear it left and right. |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 21:34 |
jamster1111 wrote: If they focused on the instruments, then why did Brian May fuck up at about 60% of the concerts? And i don't mean tiny blenders that nobody would notice but wrong notes or guitars. We hear it left and right. ================== Who honestly cares? Every band fucks up on stage. If they WEREN'T focused on the instruments--they wouldn't have gotten their reputation as being as one of the greatest live bands. And how does Brian play wrong guitars? That must take some talent! |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 21:54 |
Gregsynth wrote: jamster1111 wrote: If they focused on the instruments, then why did Brian May fuck up at about 60% of the concerts? And i don't mean tiny blenders that nobody would notice but wrong notes or guitars. We hear it left and right. ================== Who honestly cares? Every band fucks up on stage. If they WEREN'T focused on the instruments--they wouldn't have gotten their reputation as being as one of the greatest live bands. And how does Brian play wrong guitars? That must take some talent! LOL I'm just saying, I love Queen and all and they were the best band of all time but they could have concentrated a little more on the music part of it their live performances. |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 22:08 |
jamster1111 wrote: LOL I'm just saying, I love Queen and all and they were the best band of all time but they could have concentrated a little more on the music part of it their live performances. ===================== That's a moot point--ANY band can spend more time concentrating on the music--it would be boring quite frankly. This isn't a opera concert or anything, it's a ROCK concert--mistakes happen for a reason (volume, singer goes out, strings break. etc). That last statement was kinda ignorant, no offense (I'm sure you've made mistakes live--I have before). What do you want Queen to be: Technical robots (AKA DREAM THEATRE)? with all technique/little mistakes, but no "fun factor" or "rawness" to it? You aren't going to get that with Queen--you are going to get a raw rock band (complete with mistakes and all). Mistakes happen: String breaks? Get a new guitar on stage. Voice cracks? Stay off the highest notes. Sing off key? Adjust your pitch. Go off time? Get back on time. Frankly, bands that make mistakes live are more interesting. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 22:10 |
Gregsynth wrote: jamster1111 wrote: LOL I'm just saying, I love Queen and all and they were the best band of all time but they could have concentrated a little more on the music part of it their live performances. ===================== That's a moot point--ANY band can spend more time concentrating on the music--it would be boring quite frankly. This isn't a opera concert or anything, it's a ROCK concert--mistakes happen for a reason (volume, singer goes out, strings break. etc). That last statement was kinda ignorant, no offense (I'm sure you've made mistakes live--I have before). What do you want Queen to be: Technical robots (AKA DREAM THEATRE)? with all technique/little mistakes, but no "fun factor" or "rawness" to it? You aren't going to get that with Queen--you are going to get a raw rock band (complete with mistakes and all). Mistakes happen: String breaks? Get a new guitar on stage. Voice cracks? Stay off the highest notes. Sing off key? Adjust your pitch. Go off time? Get back on time. Frankly, bands that make mistakes live are more interesting. Of course we all make mistakes and they were the greatest live band of all time but I was just saying something that I've been wondering about. |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 22:12 |
Yeah, but I'm sure EVERY band could sound better live--so it's kinda silly to say: "I think they could've focused more on the music." |
| formulaone+queenmad 06.06.2011 22:16 |
1) Newcastle 12/4/1979 2) Leiden 6/12/1986 3) Edinburgh 6/1/1982 4) Boston 1/30/1986 5) Brussels 8/24/1984 6) Copenhagen 4/13/1978 7) Brussels 12/13/1980 8) Sao Paulo 2/28/1981 (next night's audio is shit!) 9) Tokyo 5/8/1985 10) Tokyo 5/1/1975 |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 22:22 |
Here's an updated list (combined with my original list--with some of Jamster's ideas) ORIGINAL LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. Bristol (5/23/1977) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 10. London (12/8/1980) UPDATED LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. London (12/8/1980) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Newcastle (12/3/1979) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) Tokyo 1985 has been moved off (as well as Bristol). I added Philadelphia 1977 (it's really underrated), Newcastle 1979 (1st night), and moved London 1980 up a couple spots (it's a well-balanced awesome show). |
| Gregsynth 06.06.2011 22:24 |
formulaone+queenmad wrote: 1) Newcastle 12/4/1979 2) Leiden 6/12/1986 3) Edinburgh 6/1/1982 4) Boston 1/30/1986 5) Brussels 8/24/1984 6) Copenhagen 4/13/1978 7) Brussels 12/13/1980 8) Sao Paulo 2/28/1981 (next night's audio is shit!) 9) Tokyo 5/8/1985 10) Tokyo 5/1/1975 ============== 3/20/1981 is the Sao Paulo date--but other than that--very interesting list! |
| formulaone+queenmad 06.06.2011 22:38 |
I knew what I meant haha! And my lists and views are always interesting! :P |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 22:38 |
Gregsynth wrote: Here's an updated list (combined with my original list--with some of Jamster's ideas) ORIGINAL LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. Bristol (5/23/1977) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 10. London (12/8/1980) UPDATED LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. London (12/8/1980) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Newcastle (12/3/1979) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) Tokyo 1985 has been moved off (as well as Bristol). I added Philadelphia 1977 (it's really underrated), Newcastle 1979 (1st night), and moved London 1980 up a couple spots (it's a well-balanced awesome show). Stockholm 78? I think Newcastle 12/3 is a much better show. Newcastle 12/3 i think should be number 3. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 22:41 |
How bout Queen's worst gigs? lol I can think of a couple... -Toronto 1978 -Fukuoka 1982 (First Night) -Dallas 1978 |
| The Real Wizard 06.06.2011 22:53 |
What's wrong with Toronto? Just because Brian's guitar was out of tune for the second encore? And Fukuoka's a great show - Freddie is very creative throughout. But I'll agree with Dallas. The band sound very unrehearsed at times. Read the review of the Vancouver 80 show too.. |
| jamster1111 06.06.2011 23:36 |
Sir GH wrote: What's wrong with Toronto? Just because Brian's guitar was out of tune for the second encore? And Fukuoka's a great show - Freddie is very creative throughout. But I'll agree with Dallas. The band sound very unrehearsed at times. Read the review of the Vancouver 80 show too.. Because half of the band fucks up constantly at Toronto. Between Brian's guitar problems and Freddie's squealing.... Fukuoka 1982.... The crowd doesnt have much energy, the band sound so tired and its evident they desperately need a break, Freddie is rushing through all of the songs and to top it all off, his voice isn't in the best shape. And for Vancouver, i thought that was a great gig! He aces the Rock It....lol |
| Gregsynth 07.06.2011 00:40 |
You can add 9/29/1984 to the "worst gigs" list. |
| Gregsynth 07.06.2011 00:43 |
jamster1111 wrote: Stockholm 78? I think Newcastle 12/3 is a much better show. Newcastle 12/3 i think should be number 3. ========================= You think Newcastle 1979 (1st night) is better than everything except for the 2nd Newcastle and Leiden? I think Boston 1976 edges it out, but Newcastle could move up a couple spots! |
| Gregsynth 07.06.2011 03:02 |
formulaone+queenmad wrote: 1) Newcastle 12/4/1979 2) Leiden 6/12/1986 3) Edinburgh 6/1/1982 4) Boston 1/30/1986 5) Brussels 8/24/1984 6) Copenhagen 4/13/1978 7) Brussels 12/13/1980 8) Sao Paulo 2/28/1981 (next night's audio is shit!) 9) Tokyo 5/8/1985 10) Tokyo 5/1/1975 ====================== Edinburgh and Leeds are both amazing. I think we can compare both concerts and decide where they go. I personally see Leeds lower top 10 and Edinburgh in the higher top 15 (Leeds edges it out due to the atmosphere). Edinburgh is great though! Brussels 1984 is top 25 (maybe 20). It's overall very solid (and a brilliant crowd)! I love Copenhagen personally, but I don't see it in the top 10 (the atmosphere wasn't really up to par--but the performances are great). I'd say top 30. Brussels 1980 is surprising--but it's quite a well-rounded concert. I'd give it the top 25 or so! Sao Paulo could get a top 10 shot (excellent band and Freddie + amazing atmosphere). I dropped Tokyo 1985 (either night) off the list because it's too close to decide between the gigs. I say both are in the top 15-20 range. Tokyo 1975 has awesome musical moments! I think somewhere in the 10-20 range would fit it! I think I can build off your list and make an update. |
| Gregsynth 07.06.2011 03:13 |
CURRENT LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Rio (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. New York (12/2/1977) 6. Leeds (5/29/1982) 7. London (12/8/1980) 8. Stockholm (4/12/1978) 9. Newcastle (12/3/1979) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) UPDATED LIST: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Ro (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. Newcastle (12/3/1979) 6. New York (12/2/1977) 7. Leeds (5/29/1982) 8. London (12/8/1980) 9. Sao Paulo (3/20/1981) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) Newcastle 1979 has been boosted up a few spots, and some of the previous concerts have been moved down one spot. I took Stockholm 1978 off, and replaced it with Sao Paulo 1981. |
| jamster1111 07.06.2011 10:34 |
I think Glasgow 5/30/77 should be in that list. It's really the best Races gig and an incredible gig at that! |
| DaveyLane 07.06.2011 11:25 |
I very much enjoyed hearing the Magic Tour Debate (and look forward to hearing more), and I know the parameters for the criteria you've listed Greg are wider than just Freddie's vocal shape, but I'd like to hear the band's performance dissected as a whole, rather than just what A5's C5's B5's Q7's J9's etc etc Freddie hit...and Brian's performances with a little more detail than simply "he fucked up 60% of the concerts" (I'm not having a go at you Greg, as I said I enjoy hearing and reading your thoughts), maybe a guitar player's perspective would balance things a little? For example (if Im not mistaken) there was no reference to John playing Tear It Up at Wembley a semitone flat for a good deal of the song's length in your Magic Debate...there's something that wasn't overdubbed after the fact! I don't know enough, nor am I a good enough speaker to contribute to such a debate, but I look forward to hearing everyone's top 10 gigs. Me, I've only really heard the more obvious ones (Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston, Sydney 85, etc etc) so I dunno if I'd be qualified to contribute! However, this will inform me of the ones I need to track down! Cheers Davey |
| Gregsynth 07.06.2011 14:17 |
DaveyLane wrote: I very much enjoyed hearing the Magic Tour Debate (and look forward to hearing more), and I know the parameters for the criteria you've listed Greg are wider than just Freddie's vocal shape, but I'd like to hear the band's performance dissected as a whole, rather than just what A5's C5's B5's Q7's J9's etc etc Freddie hit...and Brian's performances with a little more detail than simply "he fucked up 60% of the concerts" (I'm not having a go at you Greg, as I said I enjoy hearing and reading your thoughts), maybe a guitar player's perspective would balance things a little? For example (if Im not mistaken) there was no reference to John playing Tear It Up at Wembley a semitone flat for a good deal of the song's length in your Magic Debate...there's something that wasn't overdubbed after the fact! I don't know enough, nor am I a good enough speaker to contribute to such a debate, but I look forward to hearing everyone's top 10 gigs. Me, I've only really heard the more obvious ones (Hyde Park, Earl's Court, Houston, Sydney 85, etc etc) so I dunno if I'd be qualified to contribute! However, this will inform me of the ones I need to track down! Cheers Davey ========================= I guess I can dissect entire performances (it'll take a while though). A couple subscribers and myself are planning a "gig analysis" for my channel (we listen to an entire concert, and we debate/discuss the gig as it's playing). Also we plan to re-do each of the previous debates (updates, correcting outdated info, feedback, etc). If you want to join in the debates, you can ask me! It doesn't matter if you know alot, or a little bit--everybody's got something to say! BTW, it was Jamster that said "he fucked up 60% of the concerts." I was just calling him out! :) Cheers Greg |
| Gregsynth 07.06.2011 14:18 |
jamster1111 wrote: I think Glasgow 5/30/77 should be in that list. It's really the best Races gig and an incredible gig at that! ================ It's not top ten worthy. It's on a par with Bristol--both excellent but not in the top ten! |
| jamster1111 07.06.2011 17:53 |
Gregsynth wrote: jamster1111 wrote: I think Glasgow 5/30/77 should be in that list. It's really the best Races gig and an incredible gig at that! ================ It's not top ten worthy. It's on a par with Bristol--both excellent but not in the top ten! To me Glasgow has a better vibe than Bristol. It probably has the best borhap from the tour and one of the best STL's...the only one where he gets the can barely stand on my feet. And the band are very energetic. A show I really wanna hear is that Bingley Hall show in Stafford which inspired Brian to write WWRY. That has got to be a great gig. |
| Gregsynth 07.06.2011 18:07 |
jamster1111 wrote: To me Glasgow has a better vibe than Bristol. It probably has the best borhap from the tour and one of the best STL's...the only one where he gets the can barely stand on my feet. And the band are very energetic. A show I really wanna hear is that Bingley Hall show in Stafford which inspired Brian to write WWRY. That has got to be a great gig. ================== But does Glasgow beat the "current" list of gigs? I don't think it does--both Bristol and Glasgow are awesome, but I think they are more in the top 20 gigs! Yes, I want to hear the Bingley Hall show as well! |
| woodstar12 08.06.2011 04:37 |
I think the best gig I ever went to was my first baptism of Queen. Which was the Empire Pool (Wembley arena, as it was) in 1978....that was the news of the World tour. I was 16, and my aunt and uncle took me. I was just awestruck, with the show...the band, the lights, the crown. It blew my mind and turned what was a 'like of their music' into a ' fanatic'. I'm sure we could all give better examples of concerts, and I've been to some great shows since then. I remember once leaving the Queen and Paul Rodgers Newcastle metro gig in 2005, hearing one young fan say, ' God that was the best concert I have ever seen'. I remember laughing to myself and thinking 'you haven't lived then'. But it does show the ultimate show, even though different now...still has impact. I was lucky to see Queen with Freddie & John many times, which some will never have the opportunity to. The worst gig I ever went to was 'Lewisham Odeon' on the Crazy tour. Not because of the show....but the crowd were crap.. I was up the back, jumping around, and all the audience were sitting in their seats watching the show. I remember someone asking me to sit down, and looks of disdain from other people.....Can't believe it to this day really. I remember wishing I was up the front where people were digging to show. |
| jamster1111 09.06.2011 22:19 |
woodstar12 wrote: I think the best gig I ever went to was my first baptism of Queen. Which was the Empire Pool (Wembley arena, as it was) in 1978....that was the news of the World tour. I was 16, and my aunt and uncle took me. I was just awestruck, with the show...the band, the lights, the crown. It blew my mind and turned what was a 'like of their music' into a ' fanatic'. I'm sure we could all give better examples of concerts, and I've been to some great shows since then. I remember once leaving the Queen and Paul Rodgers Newcastle metro gig in 2005, hearing one young fan say, ' God that was the best concert I have ever seen'. I remember laughing to myself and thinking 'you haven't lived then'. But it does show the ultimate show, even though different now...still has impact. I was lucky to see Queen with Freddie & John many times, which some will never have the opportunity to. The worst gig I ever went to was 'Lewisham Odeon' on the Crazy tour. Not because of the show....but the crowd were crap.. I was up the back, jumping around, and all the audience were sitting in their seats watching the show. I remember someone asking me to sit down, and looks of disdain from other people.....Can't believe it to this day really. I remember wishing I was up the front where people were digging to show. Based off the recordings we have those Empire Pool gigs sound like they were great. But unfortunately, we only have two recordings; one of them is in terrible quality and the other is very incomplete. |
| on my way up 11.06.2011 03:05 |
Anyone who thinks Tokyo 8 may 1985 is better than Tokyo 9 may 1985. At the May 9th show Freddie is totally on fire. His intro to STL, the impromptu, ... Lots of unique moments. The atmosphere is also very beautiful. It's just a rockshow that has it all. It has to be in any top 10 since it's the best Works tour show. That said, I'm hoping for a complete and great sounding recording of the first night too... |
| The Real Wizard 11.06.2011 12:47 |
formulaone+queenmad wrote: 7) Brussels 12/13/1980 ========================== Nice to see someone mention this one. December 1980 was a brilliant month for Queen, and the Brussels show is no exception. |
| The Real Wizard 11.06.2011 12:56 |
Gregsynth wrote: Bob, I kinda agree and disagree on the Opera subject--while Queen's musical peak were in that era--Freddie wasn't really developed as a singer and frontman yet (that would blossom by the late 70s/early 80s). Going off the available recordings, what Opera concerts would you put high on a list? ==================== It's true, Freddie wasn't very developed yet, as he would be by say, 1982. The Boston 76 recording reveals an incredible live band, focused purely on the music. Even by 1977, the theatrical side became more of a factor. I'm not saying it was a bad thing, but the music slowly started to suffer as the visual aspect of their show grew. They dropped the harder-to-play songs and focused more on the theatricality than delivering a musically artistic show. I can see why a lot of people in the US were starting to lose their interest in Queen by 1977 and 78. But to Queen's credit, they always wanted to grow and bring a new spectacle every time they toured. Even though the Hot Space album was panned, the '82 concert reviews were by far the best they ever got. Consistently positive. |
| koldweather123 11.06.2011 17:41 |
Whilst it may not be a classic Queen gig, I think its very hard to ignore Live Aid performance. It would surely be big enough to deserve a top ten place, Queen performed to by FAR the biggest ever crowd globally they ever did and utterly nailed the performance in the main...and the fact its voted one of the best gigs ever pretty consistantly along with perhaps Freddie's best ever versions of Radio Gaga and WATC plus top 5 performances of HTF and Bo Rhap certainly merit this perfomance's inclusion into the top 10... Its just whether you class this as a 'Queen gig' or not? |
| Gregsynth 11.06.2011 21:08 |
koldweather123 wrote: Whilst it may not be a classic Queen gig, I think its very hard to ignore Live Aid performance. It would surely be big enough to deserve a top ten place, Queen performed to by FAR the biggest ever crowd globally they ever did and utterly nailed the performance in the main...and the fact its voted one of the best gigs ever pretty consistantly along with perhaps Freddie's best ever versions of Radio Gaga and WATC plus top 5 performances of HTF and Bo Rhap certainly merit this perfomance's inclusion into the top 10... Its just whether you class this as a 'Queen gig' or not? ================== Well, since Live Aid wasn't a "true" Queen gig, I don't consider it among the concerts. The performances of the songs however, are always considered for other lists! |
| Gregsynth 11.06.2011 21:10 |
Sir GH wrote: Gregsynth wrote: Bob, I kinda agree and disagree on the Opera subject--while Queen's musical peak were in that era--Freddie wasn't really developed as a singer and frontman yet (that would blossom by the late 70s/early 80s). Going off the available recordings, what Opera concerts would you put high on a list? ==================== It's true, Freddie wasn't very developed yet, as he would be by say, 1982. The Boston 76 recording reveals an incredible live band, focused purely on the music. Even by 1977, the theatrical side became more of a factor. I'm not saying it was a bad thing, but the music slowly started to suffer as the visual aspect of their show grew. They dropped the harder-to-play songs and focused more on the theatricality than delivering a musically artistic show. I can see why a lot of people in the US were starting to lose their interest in Queen by 1977 and 78. But to Queen's credit, they always wanted to grow and bring a new spectacle every time they toured. Even though the Hot Space album was panned, the '82 concert reviews were by far the best they ever got. Consistently positive. ================= But the Crazy Tour is an exception! Everybody was on fire, Freddie's live vocals were arguably at their peak, Liar was played, etc. The stripped-down stage show was kind of a throw back to the older days! |
| Gregsynth 12.06.2011 01:43 |
1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Ro (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. Newcastle (12/3/1979) 6. New York (12/2/1977) 7. Leeds (5/29/1982) 8. London (12/8/1980) 9. Sao Paulo (3/20/1981) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) That's the current list. I've debated about 5/9/1985 being in there (I can't decide if it's a top 10 or 15 gig). I need more opinions on this (Bob, On My Way Up, etc). Does anyone have a say on gigs from the 1980-1981 Game Tour and such? I saw a mention for Brussels 1980! |
| on my way up 12.06.2011 03:11 |
Gregsynth wrote: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Rock In Ro (1/12/1985) 4. Boston (1/30/1976) 5. Newcastle (12/3/1979) 6. New York (12/2/1977) 7. Leeds (5/29/1982) 8. London (12/8/1980) 9. Sao Paulo (3/20/1981) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) That's the current list. I've debated about 5/9/1985 being in there (I can't decide if it's a top 10 or 15 gig). I need more opinions on this (Bob, On My Way Up, etc). Does anyone have a say on gigs from the 1980-1981 Game Tour and such? I saw a mention for Brussels 1980! As much as I love the Crazy tour, I don't find there have to be 2 recordings from that tour in the top 10 list. Also, take out Sao Paulo 20/03/1981 and put in Buenos Aires March 8 1981 (audience recording). That show is the perfect example of how a band can make an audience crazy AND play a musically wonderful show aswell. I find it better and even more intense than the first Sao Paulo show; By the way, if we had a perfect recording of the second night, I'm pretty sure I'd take that over the first night. I really feel London 08/12/80 should be in the list. Brussels 13/12/1980 and for example Birmingham 06/12/1980 are amazing too but don't top that London show. The London show should stay in the list. New York '77 second night, is a personal favourite but the soundquality on that one could have been better... Same goes for Philadelphia '77. I must admit I haven't listened to that last one (except for a few samples). For 1986: KNEBWORTH. That show is so epic, it has to be included in that list. Also, I think a European Day at the races show should be included. It was Freddie's first amazing tour vocally. I've got a soft spot for both Glasgow and Bristol: very intense shows! (those are the ones I love most). Leeds '82 is a good pick for that reason. I like Rio first night, but top 10 is a bit too high for me .... Please put in Copenhagen'78:-) |
| Gregsynth 12.06.2011 03:42 |
on my way up wrote: As much as I love the Crazy tour, I don't find there have to be 2 recordings from that tour in the top 10 list. Also, take out Sao Paulo 20/03/1981 and put in Buenos Aires March 8 1981 (audience recording). That show is the perfect example of how a band can make an audience crazy AND play a musically wonderful show aswell. I find it better and even more intense than the first Sao Paulo show; By the way, if we had a perfect recording of the second night, I'm pretty sure I'd take that over the first night. I really feel London 08/12/80 should be in the list. Brussels 13/12/1980 and for example Birmingham 06/12/1980 are amazing too but don't top that London show. The London show should stay in the list. New York '77 second night, is a personal favourite but the soundquality on that one could have been better... Same goes for Philadelphia '77. I must admit I haven't listened to that last one (except for a few samples). For 1986: KNEBWORTH. That show is so epic, it has to be included in that list. Also, I think a European Day at the races show should be included. It was Freddie's first amazing tour vocally. I've got a soft spot for both Glasgow and Bristol: very intense shows! (those are the ones I love most). Leeds '82 is a good pick for that reason. I like Rio first night, but top 10 is a bit too high for me .... Please put in Copenhagen'78:-) ====================== Gigs suggested by on my way up: - Buenos Aires (3/8/1981) - Knebworth Park (8/9/1986) - Bristol/Glasgow (5/23/1977 and 5/30/1977) - Copenhagen (4/13/1978) - Tokyo (5/9/1985) I feel the urge to put 5/9 in the list (because it's an all-round excellent show). I remember the Buenos Aires show being awesome (have to compare that to a couple other gigs, but I think it's list-worthy), Not sure about the Races concerts--but maybe we can get some additional opinions on that (I still think they are more in the top 20--still excellent, mind you)! Knebworth Park I think could get in (atmosphere and performances are wonderful), and I'm not sure about Copenhagen: Freddie's awesome, and the band sound great--but the atmosphere wasn't quite as prominent as it was during other NOTW gigs. New York 1977 and Philly 1977 are awesome gigs! Here's an updated list: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Boston (1/30/1976) 4. Buenos Aires (3/8/1981) 5. Leeds (5/29/1982) 6. London (12/8/1980) 7. Knebworth Park (8/9/1986) 8. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 9. New York (12/2/1977) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) How's that for an update? :) |
| on my way up 12.06.2011 03:56 |
Gregsynth wrote: on my way up wrote: As much as I love the Crazy tour, I don't find there have to be 2 recordings from that tour in the top 10 list. Also, take out Sao Paulo 20/03/1981 and put in Buenos Aires March 8 1981 (audience recording). That show is the perfect example of how a band can make an audience crazy AND play a musically wonderful show aswell. I find it better and even more intense than the first Sao Paulo show; By the way, if we had a perfect recording of the second night, I'm pretty sure I'd take that over the first night. I really feel London 08/12/80 should be in the list. Brussels 13/12/1980 and for example Birmingham 06/12/1980 are amazing too but don't top that London show. The London show should stay in the list. New York '77 second night, is a personal favourite but the soundquality on that one could have been better... Same goes for Philadelphia '77. I must admit I haven't listened to that last one (except for a few samples). For 1986: KNEBWORTH. That show is so epic, it has to be included in that list. Also, I think a European Day at the races show should be included. It was Freddie's first amazing tour vocally. I've got a soft spot for both Glasgow and Bristol: very intense shows! (those are the ones I love most). Leeds '82 is a good pick for that reason. I like Rio first night, but top 10 is a bit too high for me .... Please put in Copenhagen'78:-) ====================== Gigs suggested by on my way up: - Buenos Aires (3/8/1981) - Knebworth Park (8/9/1986) - Bristol/Glasgow (5/23/1977 and 5/30/1977) - Copenhagen (4/13/1978) - Tokyo (5/9/1985) I feel the urge to put 5/9 in the list (because it's an all-round excellent show). I remember the Buenos Aires show being awesome (have to compare that to a couple other gigs, but I think it's list-worthy), Not sure about the Races concerts--but maybe we can get some additional opinions on that (I still think they are more in the top 20--still excellent, mind you)! Knebworth Park I think could get in (atmosphere and performances are wonderful), and I'm not sure about Copenhagen: Freddie's awesome, and the band sound great--but the atmosphere wasn't quite as prominent as it was during other NOTW gigs. New York 1977 and Philly 1977 are awesome gigs! Here's an updated list: 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Boston (1/30/1976) 4. Buenos Aires (3/8/1981) 5. Leeds (5/29/1982) 6. London (12/8/1980) 7. Knebworth Park (8/9/1986) 8. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 9. New York (12/2/1977) 10. Philadelphia (11/23/1977) How's that for an update? :) ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- Well, if you take out Philadelphia and put in Tokyo 01/05/1975, then I'd agree. In 1975 FM's voice hadn't fully developedyet. I'm fully aware of that but that Tokyo show surely was a great early show for Freddie. You can tell he learned a lot during shows like that. Also, the show is packed and packed with totally unique moments. I remember the summer when the Young Nobles bootleg came out very very well. I had to recover for weeks from the beauty of that performance... In terms of improvisation, it's imo Queen at their best. So tight and still lots of spontaneous moments. It's leaps and bounds above many other performances and is just too important not to be featured in a best of Queen live list. Also, it's the one show about which I've seen comments from fans from other bands like Zeppelin etc. along the lines of: "Maybe Queen were even the best of them all" I've just discovered another wonderful show that rarely gets mentioned as a great Queen-show: Tokyo 1 april 1976. I've been listening to the few songs we have in great quality and those songs are packed with great moments: for example: Freddie barking in See what a fool I've been:-) Also, the performance of Father to son is so beautiful, absolutely perfect. Freddie even mentions it afterwards (which is rare). Now, that show will probably not be top-10 but I wanted to mention it nevertheless. Boston'76 is so awesome (also in terms of soundquality) that not much will top that. Another thought: I totally dig 1986 but should 2 shows be featured in a top-10 list with for example no Jazz/live Killers or Races shows in it? |
| Gregsynth 12.06.2011 04:18 |
on my way up wrote: Well, if you take out Philadelphia and put in Tokyo 01/05/1975, then I'd agree. In 1975 FM's voice hadn't fully developedyet. I'm fully aware of that but that Tokyo show surely was a great early show for Freddie. You can tell he learned a lot during shows like that. Also, the show is packed and packed with totally unique moments. I remember the summer when the Young Nobles bootleg came out very very well. I had to recover for weeks from the beauty of that performance... In terms of improvisation, it's imo Queen at their best. So tight and still lots of spontaneous moments. It's leaps and bounds above many other performances and is just too important not to be featured in a best of Queen live list. Also, it's the one show about which I've seen comments from fans from other bands like Zeppelin etc. along the lines of: "Maybe Queen were even the best of them all" I've just discovered another wonderful show that rarely gets mentioned as a great Queen-show: Tokyo 1 april 1976. I've been listening to the few songs we have in great quality and those songs are packed with great moments: for example: Freddie barking in See what a fool I've been:-) Also, the performance of Father to son is so beautiful, absolutely perfect. Freddie even mentions it afterwards (which is rare). Now, that show will probably not be top-10 but I wanted to mention it nevertheless. Boston'76 is so awesome (also in terms of soundquality) that not much will top that. Another thought: I totally dig 1986 but should 2 shows be featured in a top-10 list with for example no Jazz/live Killers or Races shows in it? ================================ 1. Newcastle (12/4/1979) 2. Leiden (6/12/1986) 3. Boston (1/30/1976) 4. Buenos Aires (3/8/1981) 5. Leeds (5/29/1982) 6. London (12/8/1980) 7. Knebworth Park (8/9/1986) 8. Tokyo (5/9/1985) 9. New York (12/2/1977) 10. Tokyo (5/1/1975) There we go! 4/1/1976 is really underrated: That Japan 1976 leg gets bad rap (the Himeji/Fukuoka/Osaka stuff), but 3/31 and 4/1 are excellent gigs, and are in the top "Opera" gigs (at least for me). I would put those in in a top 30 list! The reason why 1986 has two gigs, was because the Magic Tour was amazing! The Leiden gig has an awesome atmosphere (the crowd sings to everything, chant the football song, etc), there's some improv sections, Freddie sings the songs CORRECTLY (he hits the high notes on songs, sings Bo Rhap's verse like the recording, does correct and/or interesting phrasing, and doesn't BARK notes like he did on the Works Tour), and the band has a ball on stage! Knebworth has the intimate atmosphere, the emotional performances, and many musical brilliant moments (like the "Fun It" improv during Dust)! Freddie was just too inconsistent on the Jazz/Live Killers Tour. The only show I can think of, that could possibly be in the list is 11/17/1978 (great music, Freddie sounds strong, great crowd, etc). There are many gigs on that tour that would be in the 25-30 range, but take a look at the current list: In all of them, Freddie's vocal shape ranges from good to excellent: Would a Jazz/Live Killers gig fit vocally? Possibly not (though I'm willing to compromise and hear opinions)! |
| koldweather123 12.06.2011 18:12 |
Hmmm BA over Sao Paulo? Not sure about that to be honest, great crowd and the gig itself is almost certainly a top 15 gig but SP performances were amazing and the crowd weren't exactly lame there either! I'd go 2nd night over 1st SP though...and personally for me it would take BA's place, as good a gig as that one was...and I bet if we had a good quality recording of that show most would agree... Overall not much to disagree with, Knebworth certainly deserves its place, special gig even with Freddie's somewhat average vocals (Bar maybe the first 5-6 songs, where they were good even by the earlier shows standards!) The only Game shows that really have a shot are the ones mentioned plus maybe either Inglewood and Oakland...maybe. |
| The Real Wizard 12.06.2011 19:57 |
Gregsynth wrote: "But the Crazy Tour is an exception! Everybody was on fire, Freddie's live vocals were arguably at their peak, Liar was played, etc. The stripped-down stage show was kind of a throw back to the older days!" Fair play - I'll give you that. The idea of making a top ten list is so arbitrary and difficult. Everyone's gonna have a different take on it, since there are so many criteria one can follow. Even if we had high quality recordings of every show, we still wouldn't be able to make a truly informed decision - only people who were there every night can say for sure. That's why Leeds '82 and Knebworth '86 have to be in there, at least - Brian and Roger have mentioned those gigs many times as their favourites |
| Gregsynth 14.06.2011 18:27 |
Sir GH wrote: Fair play - I'll give you that. The idea of making a top ten list is so arbitrary and difficult. Everyone's gonna have a different take on it, since there are so many criteria one can follow. Even if we had high quality recordings of every show, we still wouldn't be able to make a truly informed decision - only people who were there every night can say for sure. That's why Leeds '82 and Knebworth '86 have to be in there, at least - Brian and Roger have mentioned those gigs many times as their favourites ============================== For the different take on lists--I'm sure everybody's made their own personal lists on their favorite and their versions of "the best concerts." For this list, I was think more along the lines of "Hey everybody, lets get together and try to make a 'team-effort' list." The list has changed several times since I first posted it. Everybody seems to agree on Newcastle, Leiden, Boston, etc being in that list. So despite everybody having different takes, there's some common ground between many people! |
| on my way up 18.06.2011 01:47 |
A few general thoughts about the live band Queen: *a weak Queen-show was still a fantastic rockshow because of several reasons: - the band had great songs and - even on an offday - the managed to bring over the meaning of the songs - the band were masters of putting a setlist together, so the impact of their performance was always huge (great at building intensity etc.) - the band had a unique frontman in Freddie, who - even when his voice was weak - was always a great entertainer and he could adapt songs to the shape of his voice |
| Gregsynth 18.06.2011 01:59 |
on my way up wrote: A few general thoughts about the live band Queen: *a weak Queen-show was still a fantastic rockshow because of several reasons: - the band had great songs and - even on an offday - the managed to bring over the meaning of the songs - the band were masters of putting a setlist together, so the impact of their performance was always huge (great at building intensity etc.) - the band had a unique frontman in Freddie, who - even when his voice was weak - was always a great entertainer and he could adapt songs to the shape of his voice ========================= I've truly have never heard a "bad" or a "weak" show from Queen. I've heard many concerts where Freddie sounds awful--but the band makes up for it. The closest things to weak shows would be stuff like Himeji/Fukuoka 1976, Toronto 1978, etc. On those shows, everybody isn't on top form--but I wouldn't say "they sucked that night," or "this show wasn't good." |
| on my way up 18.06.2011 02:01 |
Gregsynth wrote: on my way up wrote: A few general thoughts about the live band Queen: *a weak Queen-show was still a fantastic rockshow because of several reasons: - the band had great songs and - even on an offday - the managed to bring over the meaning of the songs - the band were masters of putting a setlist together, so the impact of their performance was always huge (great at building intensity etc.) - the band had a unique frontman in Freddie, who - even when his voice was weak - was always a great entertainer and he could adapt songs to the shape of his voice ========================= I've truly have never heard a "bad" or a "weak" show from Queen. I've heard many concerts where Freddie sounds awful--but the band makes up for it. The closest things to weak shows would be stuff like Himeji/Fukuoka 1976, Toronto 1978, etc. On those shows, everybody isn't on top form--but I wouldn't say "they sucked that night," or "this show wasn't good." -------------- --------------- That's what I was saying. And Freddie's weak shows were not that bad either;-) |
| Gregsynth 18.06.2011 02:13 |
on my way up wrote: Gregsynth wrote: on my way up wrote: A few general thoughts about the live band Queen: *a weak Queen-show was still a fantastic rockshow because of several reasons: - the band had great songs and - even on an offday - the managed to bring over the meaning of the songs - the band were masters of putting a setlist together, so the impact of their performance was always huge (great at building intensity etc.) - the band had a unique frontman in Freddie, who - even when his voice was weak - was always a great entertainer and he could adapt songs to the shape of his voice ========================= I've truly have never heard a "bad" or a "weak" show from Queen. I've heard many concerts where Freddie sounds awful--but the band makes up for it. The closest things to weak shows would be stuff like Himeji/Fukuoka 1976, Toronto 1978, etc. On those shows, everybody isn't on top form--but I wouldn't say "they sucked that night," or "this show wasn't good." -------------- --------------- That's what I was saying. And Freddie's weak shows were not that bad either;-) ======================= On some of his weaker gigs, I would agree--but then there's gigs where he literally sounds bad to the point where I can't listen to the gigs that much. I'll give you an example: Everybody says that the 4/25/1979 show is Freddie's worst vocal gig. It honestly isn't (I've listened to every show from that Japanese leg just to compare). The 5/1/1979 gig is Freddie's all-time worst vocal gig: His tone is shot to pieces, he can't even hit G4s without being off key, cracking, squealing, he makes wrong note choices (they aren't even in the key), does vocal swoops into the SECOND OCTAVE, and actually hits as many as 3-5 notes at the same time (vocal nodules emit frequencies when struck). At 4/25, he sounds weaker, but at least he's ON KEY, his tone isn't completely shot, and he TRIES to make up by singing in the 3rd octave (and embellishing upwards). At 5/1, he tries to hit notes that he shouldn't be hitting, and often fails. I can listen to 4/25. I can't listen to 5/1. If you don't believe me, I'll post Youtube links (there's people on my 5/1 videos, saying it's the worst gig for Freddie). |
| Gregsynth 23.06.2011 01:06 |
So far, I'm liking the list! |
| bitesthedust 09.07.2011 14:24 |
What about Paris 28/02/1979? I've not (yet) picked up Boston '76, so I'll have to go along with others' opinions on that. As for Dallas 28/10/1978, it may not be the best show Queen ever did, but I like to hear the first plays of songs and see how they develop over time. |
| The Real Wizard 09.07.2011 15:56 |
bitesthedust wrote: I've not (yet) picked up Boston '76 ==================== *gasp!* Stop everything you're doing now and get it ! Hands down, it's the best recording of Queen live available. link |
| Gregsynth 10.07.2011 08:15 |
Boston 1976 is a Queen concert that everybody should listen to! |
| bitesthedust 11.07.2011 13:33 |
Gregsynth wrote: Boston 1976 is a Queen concert that everybody should listen to! I have to agree, it sounds superb so far. |
| MERQRY 11.07.2011 18:41 |
bitesthedust wrote: Gregsynth wrote: Boston 1976 is a Queen concert that everybody should listen to! I have to agree, it sounds superb so far. --------------------- The BEST audience recording EVER... For moments it seems a Soundboard or even a multitrack recording! |
| The Real Wizard 11.07.2011 20:25 |
MERQRY wrote: For moments it seems a Soundboard or even a multitrack recording! ===================== You can thank the crew for that - Queen had the best front of house guy in the business. In the 70s, half of these guys were stoners and would forget to turn up the guitar fader during a solo.. |
| little foetus 12.07.2011 05:15 |
I really think it is an impossible task to make an official top ten gigs list because it is a very personal choice. Most of my favorite shows are not in your list: - The Hammersmith 79 is an obvious one but it seems everyone here has listened too much to it. - The Copenhagen 78 show was in your list but you removed it because the crowd was a bit dull ,OK. But why not including one of the two nights in Rotterdam of the same tour? I've not listened to them since a very long time but I remember thinking these had a lot of potential but marred by a bad quality sound. - I would certainly include Oakland 80. So bad so few recordings are circulating from this huge tour. They were amazing at this time, I think and at the peak of the popularity in America. - Everyone is very enthousiastic about the first night in London but what about the second? If we had a recording as half as good as the first night, I'm quite sure everyone would think it is an mythical night. The atmosphere was very particular this night, I guess and I remember really enjoying it. - You might include one of the early Works shows (Brussels or especially one of the two first nights in Birmingham). Everyone is so delighted to be here (the band, the crowd...), they are pretty well rehearsed and Freddie's voice is amazing shape. |
| bitesthedust 13.07.2011 14:36 |
As an owner of nearly 100 shows I feel I am well qualified to provide a list! Having now listened to Boston '76 I fully agree it should be included in the top 10. I think some shows are too familiar - a previous post has indicated this regarding Hammersmith 79 and whilst I accept that point, this is perhaps more relevant to the concerts officially released; for example, I have always felt Budapest 86 was a better show than Wembley -but like Rio 1985 the element of surprise when listening to a bootleg isn't there. Anyway, my 10, in no particular order - Newcastle 04/12/1979 Boston 30/01/1976 Tokyo 01/05/1975 Hammersmith, London 24/12/1975 Hammersmith, London 26/12/1979 Osaka 20/04/1979 Wembley, London 08/12/1980 Chicago 07/12/1978 (aside from a brief delay due to technical difficulties, this is a great show!) Paris 28/02/1979 Leeds 29/05/1982 |
| knaapjen 24.07.2011 17:13 |
What's wrong with Brussels (8/24/1984)? the voice is amazing and imo best performances on it's a hard life and I want to break free. Why doesn't anybody mention it, I'm curious. Newcastle, Boston, Leiden are the top 3. |
| Gregsynth 25.07.2011 12:36 |
knaapjen wrote: What's wrong with Brussels (8/24/1984)? the voice is amazing and imo best performances on it's a hard life and I want to break free. Why doesn't anybody mention it, I'm curious. Newcastle, Boston, Leiden are the top 3. ==================== Nothing's wrong with that concert (it's the ones from 2 weeks later--lol)! Brussels is easily one of the best Works Tour gigs overall. That's got the best versions of I Want To Break Free, It's A Hard Life, the best Tie Your Mother Down on the tour, and the best 1984 version of Somebody To Love. I'd both Brussels 84 in the top 30! |