| qrock 28.09.2009 18:30 |
The 1982 Queen Hit Body Language was a contreversial release. It was the first music video to be banned from MTV and was the departure from Queen's full, Heavier sound in previous years. The music hardly contains any Guitar, The Drums are Electric and the release of the Single was to change Queen's career forever. You just need to compare Queen's music (Or Singles) before and after Body Language and you'll se the difference. Body Language was also a hit that was succesful. It reached #11 in the US and #6 in New Zealand. However in the UK, It does not appear on the Greatest Hits Albums. If you were to ask someone about what Queen songs they know, they would probably say the usual Bohemian Rhapsody, We Will Rock You, Don't Stop Me Now ect. Body Language is not a Big Hit and like the rest of Hot Space except some songs, the release had probalbly had an influence on making Queen not releasing as many albums, singles sales not as high and would set aside a Negative attitude from Queen, as if they were about to End. Personally I would have liked to have seen Queen release more Albums and have more Quality Studio Songs. The disapointing fact about Freddie's death back in 1991, If Queen were to release more albums in 90s, Top Charts and Consistent Hits with good quality music and major Tours, carrying the successful essence from previous years, they would have changed what music today would be like. If they tried something new in 90s and carried on being a headling act to about the year 2000 music would be different. Like you don't become not big anymore after being a huge act for the last 20 years and releasing a chart topping album, Fans would buy the releases. Body Language had made a disapointing impact on their career. |
| Zander05 28.09.2009 20:22 |
Every single Queen album is different from the one before or after it. The Hot Space album is arguably the least popular or commercially-successful album. It's been documented that by the release of Hot Space, and a constant pattern of cut a record, go on tour, cut a record, go on tour, etc. from the very beginning of their career to that point, they took a year off from being Queen. And in my opinion it was a much-deserved break! I'm sure that The Works would have been their last album together if not for Live Aid. But even then, Freddie was living with HIV (allegedly he found out in 1987, but I'm convinced he had to know before then because by 1985, people knew a few of the symptoms. And those symptoms are almost impossible to ignore or not notice) - as he had at least one KS lesion consistent with HIV/AIDS patients. So as far as the band not churning out a billion albums a minute in the 80's, it had nothing to do with the song Body Language. Their egos are not THAT fragile that a single track is going to wreck them! But rather, they couldn't churn out a billion albums a minute because, aside from a single album taking months - or even a year - to perfect, Freddie was not in the best of health. And at that time, there really were no medications like the numerous options now available to people fortunate enough to have access to them. So Freddie was essentially a guinea pig and experimenting with meds and blood transfusions. As a result, I'm guessing some medicine combinations (cocktails) either made things worse, or didn't help at all. And if Freddie never contracted HIV, who's to say that Queen wouldn't have broken up? "If Queen were to release more albums in 90s, Top Charts and Consistent Hits with good quality music and major Tours, carrying the successful essence from previous years, they would have changed what music today would be like" But they DID change what music is like today! Probably not so much in the 80's or 90's, but considering their original Greatest Hits catalog and the bands out there today that are avid fans and influenced by them, how can you think that Queen hasn't made some sort of impact? |
| qrock 29.09.2009 05:56 |
Good Point, though today I had a look at an interview with Brian and Rodger in Canada in 1991. There Brian told us why they did'nt tour. Whilst Queen did Tours, Freddie had to keep himself in perfect shape and not to smoke, drink and he had to keep his voice perfect. So at the end of a tour, the other members say that was great however Freddie said NO ACTUALLY THAT WAS HARD Work. Basicly he wanted a break. |
| mooghead 29.09.2009 14:22 |
Did you say Rodger? |
| kohuept 29.09.2009 17:21 |
You do know that the 1991 story was a cover-up. While I'm sure tours were hard work for them all, we know that Freddie DID smoke and drink during tours. I think there is a brief conversation on the DVD release of Wembley where Freddie is deciding if he wants another bottle of Champagne or just more cigarettes (he chose cigarettes). As for Queen changing music, well, that goes without saying since, like the Butterfly Effect, everything effects everything. |
| Zander05 29.09.2009 17:41 |
In the late 80's and early 90's, anyone who knew or worked with Freddie was sworn to secrecy about his AIDS status. It was even written in the statement he issued to the press just before he died. |
| *goodco* 30.09.2009 12:44 |
I saw that sh*t video a half dozen times on MTV. Was it really banned, or just dropped because the song and vid were crap? |
| louvox 30.09.2009 14:03 |
The fact remains, the song it's self is a crappy song at best. One of their all time worst. Freddie should have saved that song for his crappy solo album |
| catqueen 30.09.2009 15:18 |
*goodco* wrote: I saw that sh*t video a half dozen times on MTV. Was it really banned, or just dropped because the song and vid were crap? Lol. This isn't my favourite video by a long shot, but I love the finger snapping in it when the four of them are sitting together and they all go *snap* together. And when they do it individually. They do not look like they are enjoying themselves one little bit though, they look bored and annoyed! |
| dragon-fly 01.10.2009 05:43 |
catqueen wrote:*goodco* wrote: I saw that sh*t video a half dozen times on MTV. Was it really banned, or just dropped because the song and vid were crap?Lol. This isn't my favourite video by a long shot, but I love the finger snapping in it when the four of them are sitting together and they all go *snap* together. And when they do it individually. They do not look like they are enjoying themselves one little bit though, they look bored and annoyed! Yeah, the snapping looks good. But the song still..... |
| Micrówave 01.10.2009 15:01 |
louvox wrote: The fact remains, the song it's self is a crappy song at best. One of their all time worst. Freddie should have saved that song for his crappy solo album The fact remains, the song was curved around one of the greatest bass lines ever created... and this from a white, English rocker named John. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, U2, etc have not been able to do this... and this was John's second kick-ass bass line. If John would've provided the bass lines for Freddie's crappy solo album, people might have forgotten it was a Freddie solo album but some hip R&B album way ahead of it's time. |
| Holly2003 01.10.2009 15:12 |
Micrówave wrote:louvox wrote: The fact remains, the song it's self is a crappy song at best. One of their all time worst. Freddie should have saved that song for his crappy solo albumThe fact remains, the song was curved around one of the greatest bass lines ever created... and this from a white, English rocker named John. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, U2, etc have not been able to do this... and this was John's second kick-ass bass line. If John would've provided the bass lines for Freddie's crappy solo album, people might have forgotten it was a Freddie solo album but some hip R&B album way ahead of it's time. Nope, it's complete pants. |
| Stalinesque 01.10.2009 22:03 |
Micrówave wrote: The fact remains, the song was curved around one of the greatest bass lines ever created... and this from a white, English rocker named John. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, U2, etc have not been able to do this... and this was John's second kick-ass bass line.According to Bechstein Debauchery the bass line was made by Freddie on synths and the song doesn't feature John at all. But I would agree that Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, U2, etc weren't able to create something like that. IMO this bass line is damn damn catchy. I liked it from the first time hearing the song and this is one of my favourites of Hot Space. It's very impressive to hear something complex like Bohemian Rhapsody or March Of The Black Queen and opposed to that something very simple like Body Language from the same Composer and Band. This is why I'm a Queen fan. |
| rhyeking 01.10.2009 22:28 |
I love how people can't seperate what they like and don't like from their view of what is crap and what isn't. Just because you don't like a song does NOT mean it's crap. You have every right not to like it, but the quality of the song is something completely different. It's a simple and catchy tune. I find most people (perhaps a few on this site) who don't like "Body Language" can't deal with the subject matter and how Freddie wrote and performed it, very overtly sexually (and they tend to be same people who don't like the B-side version of "See What A Fool I've Been"...think about that for a moment). The subject matter alone is fine for them, because "Get Down, Make Love" doesn't sound like gay disco, it rocks out! In short, for these people, it's "Oh no, gay disco synthy funk pop...I'm too manly for this!" |
| Zander05 02.10.2009 00:42 |
"Just because you don't like a song does NOT mean it's crap." Well said. There are a few Queen songs that I don't like at all (and that actually includes Body Language), but I'm not going to rip someone else to shreds if they happen to like those songs. "Oh no, gay disco synthy funk pop...I'm too manly for this!" To those who actually feel that way (as well as being unable to tell that being society's definition of manly is not the same thing as being heterosexual), I say the following: I'm not saying you're somewhere on the queer spectrum, and I'm not saying you're as far from it as possible. But if your alleged heterosexuality is seriously threatened by a song that isn't particularly associated with being macho, then you have bigger things to worry about. |
| dragon-fly 02.10.2009 05:22 |
I am one of those who doesn't like the song. And I will explain my opinion why is that so, for those who are interested. I'm not saying it is crap, I don't like it because: 1- I don't think that good bass line is enough for a good song; 2- The song has very poor guitar sound- which for me is a big minus. A good guitar can make a miracle! 3- The same with drums. They have to be more audible. 4- Lyrics. Yes, I don't like it either. Not because it's too loose or about gay (is it?). Some of Led Zep lyrics way much more loose than this (Lemon Song...), but the song doesn't suffer from it. The thing is that he just repeats the same. I have a feeling that he wrote it in 5 minutes. Anything on the mind just because the song need lyrics. A cheating. 5- Vocals- ok. But the song doesn't show it in the all glory. It doesn't show the power of voice. Maybe they wanted to make it simple. Without tricky guitar. But then they had to throw in something special into it. Bass? Come on! Only vocals could save the thing in this case. Some elaboration with this might work out pretty well. But what they did? They left it plain simple. No spices. Sorry, but I think this is boring. |
| Holly2003 02.10.2009 05:49 |
rhyeking wrote: I love how people can't seperate what they like and don't like from their view of what is crap and what isn't. Just because you don't like a song does NOT mean it's crap. You have every right not to like it, but the quality of the song is something completely different. It's a simple and catchy tune. I find most people (perhaps a few on this site) who don't like "Body Language" can't deal with the subject matter and how Freddie wrote and performed it, very overtly sexually (and they tend to be same people who don't like the B-side version of "See What A Fool I've Been"...think about that for a moment). The subject matter alone is fine for them, because "Get Down, Make Love" doesn't sound like gay disco, it rocks out! In short, for these people, it's "Oh no, gay disco synthy funk pop...I'm too manly for this!" There are probably many more, like me, who don't like it because it's naff. Plus, when you think that Fred was capable of writing BoRap, but instead chose to churn out disposable pop like this --- well, let's just say it was a waste of his considerable talents. ps I love See What a Fool I've been. pps I think you are making huge general statements based on what 1 or 2 of your mates might think. |
| mike hunt 02.10.2009 10:46 |
ok, so body language is one of the very few fred songs from the first 9 albums I don't like. I don't think it's queen's worst song by a long shot, that belongs to put out the fire and fun it, more of that jazz, pain and pleasure, ect, but the song didn't work, it had potential. A few changes would have improved it, real bass playing for one. is it complete crap?....No, it's somewhat decent. Catchy in some ways. Wasn't there a commercial featuring body language recently? |
| catqueen 02.10.2009 15:09 |
rhyeking wrote: I love how people can't seperate what they like and don't like from their view of what is crap and what isn't. Just because you don't like a song does NOT mean it's crap. You have every right not to like it, but the quality of the song is something completely different. It's a simple and catchy tune. I find most people (perhaps a few on this site) who don't like "Body Language" can't deal with the subject matter and how Freddie wrote and performed it, very overtly sexually (and they tend to be same people who don't like the B-side version of "See What A Fool I've Been"...think about that for a moment). The subject matter alone is fine for them, because "Get Down, Make Love" doesn't sound like gay disco, it rocks out! In short, for these people, it's "Oh no, gay disco synthy funk pop...I'm too manly for this!" Hear, hear! Well said! Unless, of course, its my opinion, in which case if i don't like it, it's crap. :) |
| mike hunt 02.10.2009 16:46 |
lol, if I don't like a song it's crap, garbage, a pile of shit. Queenzoners favorite words.[img=/images/smiley/msn/devil_smile.gif][/img] |
| luthorn 03.10.2009 14:53 |
I actually like 'body language' live versions. But at the same token, the entire hot space album sounds better live, sharper and edgier. |
| Major Tom 03.10.2009 19:06 |
It's not a bad album, IMO, but it's definitly one of my least favourite Queen albums. I feel sad that Hot Space was recorded when it was recorded based on the fact that Freddies vocals never has sounded better than the early 80's. Also, in my opinion. I feel that Body Language is not the strongest song on the album. Staying Power, Dancer and Under Pressure is much better, even though they're miles away from what the other releases in the Queen catalouge. It was a unfortunate release that might have been better of released 6 months earlier of later, or...as a "maxi single", as some kind of spoof..if you get the idea... |
| Micrówave 04.10.2009 10:03 |
That's funny, Major Tom. Because I think that everything AFTER Hot Space would fall into your Maxi Single category. Hot Space is much better than Works, Magic, and the horrendous Innnuendo. And I won't even consider Made In Heaven... unless their's a Best Recycled Album category. Yes, Innuendo was a great song. No, it was not their next Bohemian Rhapsody, as most Fred-sympethists call it. The only reason it got the #1 in the UK is out of pity. Look at how quick it fell. Headlong was dumber than any song on Hot Space... unless you're a fan of the Hoop Diddies. Nearly every other track is over-synthed.... even compared to Hot Space. |
| Major Tom 04.10.2009 15:41 |
To tell you the honest truth Microwave, I really don't like the 80's Queen aswell. The Works is what we call "Maxi single" material. It got a bit better with AKOM but dropped below ground with Miracle. Innuendo however, is one of my absolute fav. albums of ALL TIME. I'll never know why that is.. What I ment was(and I was drunk when I posted yesterday), I really don't listen to Hot Space as a Queen album. It's never amongst the albums I think of when I think of Queen. I listen to it for fun. It is not a ass album, but it kinda makes me happy. |
| mike hunt 05.10.2009 00:00 |
I agree about hot space, it's not an album I think about when I think of vintage Queen, but it still has it's merits and it is a feel good, fun album. A guilty pleasure if you will. I only hate 3 or 4 songs on the album. Body language, put out the fire, calling all girls, and maybe dancer. That leaves 7 songs i enjoy in some way, though even those songs arn't vintage, except under pressure. The album as a whole still isn't nearly as bad as people say. If you compare with other bands weak albums, it's actually pretty good. Judas priest's turbo album was a lot worse, and let's not even talk about metallica saint anger, possibly the worst album I ever heard. Oh, and Innuendo is also one of my all time favorite albums. It leaves hot space in the dust IMO. |
| Micrówave 05.10.2009 03:27 |
That leaves 7 songs i enjoy in some way Been a long time since I've had an album do that!!!! |
| mike hunt 05.10.2009 04:15 |
I'm not as critical as a lot of queenzoners, I have an open mind once it comes to music. I think hot space has the edge on albums like the works, magic and the miracle. At least they were trying something different. but then again hot space doesn't have anything as good as "who want to live forever" or one vision, so I change my mind a lot on that one. |
| pittrek 05.10.2009 04:45 |
mike hunt wrote: I agree about hot space, it's not an album I think about when I think of vintage Queen, but it still has it's merits and it is a feel good, fun album. A guilty pleasure if you will. I only hate 3 or 4 songs on the album. Body language, put out the fire, calling all girls, and maybe dancer. That leaves 7 songs i enjoy in some way, though even those songs arn't vintage, except under pressure. The album as a whole still isn't nearly as bad as people say. If you compare with other bands weak albums, it's actually pretty good. Judas priest's turbo album was a lot worse, and let's not even talk about metallica saint anger, possibly the worst album I ever heard. Oh, and Innuendo is also one of my all time favorite albums. It leaves hot space in the dust IMO. Strange. Body Language, Put Out The Fire, Calling All Girls and Dancer are the only songs which I LIKE on the album :) Turbo is great, but it's a "heavy pop" album :) Also Saint Anger is great, don't you love the fact that Lars Ulrich is such a genius that he's able to play on Coke cans ? :) Innuendo is simply beautiful, but songs like Hitman need proper remastering |
| pittrek 05.10.2009 04:48 |
mike hunt wrote: ok, so body language is one of the very few fred songs from the first 9 albums I don't like. I don't think it's queen's worst song by a long shot, that belongs to put out the fire and fun it, more of that jazz, pain and pleasure, ect, but the song didn't work, it had potential. A few changes would have improved it, real bass playing for one. is it complete crap?....No, it's somewhat decent. Catchy in some ways. Wasn't there a commercial featuring body language recently? I never liked Body Language until I've heard it live. The live versions are great, just like the Hollywood remix |
| pittrek 05.10.2009 04:51 |
rhyeking wrote: I love how people can't seperate what they like and don't like from their view of what is crap and what isn't. Just because you don't like a song does NOT mean it's crap. You have every right not to like it, but the quality of the song is something completely different. It's a simple and catchy tune. I find most people (perhaps a few on this site) who don't like "Body Language" can't deal with the subject matter and how Freddie wrote and performed it, very overtly sexually (and they tend to be same people who don't like the B-side version of "See What A Fool I've Been"...think about that for a moment). The subject matter alone is fine for them, because "Get Down, Make Love" doesn't sound like gay disco, it rocks out! In short, for these people, it's "Oh no, gay disco synthy funk pop...I'm too manly for this!" Terms like "crap" are describing ALWAYS a personal opinion. There is no such thing as a "universal truth", every single person on this planet has different opinions. It's normal that songs which are considered bullshit by somebody are really loved by many others. BTW GDML and BL are probably the most gay songs ever written, but after a few drinks I like them alot :) |
| pittrek 05.10.2009 04:53 |
luthorn wrote: I actually like 'body language' live versions. But at the same token, the entire hot space album sounds better live, sharper and edgier. Exactly. If they would record the songs in the same way how they played them live, the album could be a big hit |
| Vali 05.10.2009 05:19 |
pittrek wrote:luthorn wrote: I actually like 'body language' live versions. But at the same token, the entire hot space album sounds better live, sharper and edgier.Exactly. If they would record the songs in the same way how they played them live, the album could be a big hit Come on, Bri and Rog, it's time to go for a "rocks re-take" of the whole HS album !! Utopic wish, but could be fun :P edit: do not touch Under Pressure, though :D |
| mike hunt 06.10.2009 01:33 |
pittrek wrote:mike hunt wrote: I agree about hot space, it's not an album I think about when I think of vintage Queen, but it still has it's merits and it is a feel good, fun album. A guilty pleasure if you will. I only hate 3 or 4 songs on the album. Body language, put out the fire, calling all girls, and maybe dancer. That leaves 7 songs i enjoy in some way, though even those songs arn't vintage, except under pressure. The album as a whole still isn't nearly as bad as people say. If you compare with other bands weak albums, it's actually pretty good. Judas priest's turbo album was a lot worse, and let's not even talk about metallica saint anger, possibly the worst album I ever heard. Oh, and Innuendo is also one of my all time favorite albums. It leaves hot space in the dust IMO.Strange. Body Language, Put Out The Fire, Calling All Girls and Dancer are the only songs which I LIKE on the album :) Turbo is great, but it's a "heavy pop" album :) Also Saint Anger is great, don't you love the fact that Lars Ulrich is such a genius that he's able to play on Coke cans ? :) Innuendo is simply beautiful, but songs like Hitman need proper remastering I don't mind a heavy pop record like Priest's point of entry album, but turbo sucked. I'm sorry, but 35 year old men writing songs like parental guidence and wild hot crazy nights is embarrassing. saint anger?...I still say it's the worst album ever by a major band. Innuendo does need a remastering Job big time. |
| Sebastian 28.10.2009 08:30 |
Several days late, but I want to add my two pence: * The bass is indeed composed and played by Freddie (on synths, that is). * The song's not as 'simple' as it may seem at first. It does have an economic arrangement but that's a different matter. * What does a song sexuality have to do with its quality? Is Ian McKellen a shite actor because he's gay? |
| Wiley 28.10.2009 14:37 |
Sebastian wrote: * What does a song sexuality have to do with its quality? Is Ian McKellen a shite actor because he's gay? It has nothing to do with it. However, some people (guys, mainly) could have a problem singing to or enjoying a song called "Do me from the rear, Jim". No matter how great the music is. Still, with some of the music I've heard in the last few years, I guess a smoking hot female R&B singer could get away with a song like that and sell a shitload of records. :) I love most of Hot Space, by the way. I used to hate Body Language but it grew on me. My current favorites are Staying Power, Dancer, Body Language, Put out the fire and my all time favorite Queen song: Under Pressure. I play that album more than I play AKOM, The Works, The Miracle and Jazz combined. (I know Jazz is a classic Queen album but it just bores me to death. Dunno why...) |
| Sebastian 28.10.2009 16:34 |
I think that if a bloke discards a song just because it's gay, then it says more about him (and his own insecurities) than about the song itself. Same for allegedly gay movies, books, TV programmes, etc... That's what's funny about football - chaps in skirts (sort of...) pinching their buttocks every time one scores, hugging and exchanging the occasional smooch (or not so occasional in some cases) during the game, crying like babies when losing... is there anything gay there? Of course not - it's human behaviour, plain and simple. But then, there's nothing wrong either with a man enjoying Karma Chameleon, watching 'Ghost', reading 'Brokeback Mountain' or joining a Demi Lovato fan club. |
| *goodco* 28.10.2009 20:33 |
Sebastian wrote:......"is there anything gay there? Of course not - it's human behaviour, plain and simple. But then, there's nothing wrong either with a man enjoying Karma Chameleon........." That might be stretching things a bit....;-) |
| Sebastian 28.10.2009 23:39 |
I do like that one... yesterday I was on the bus and it came on the radio, I hadn't listened to it for donkey's years. I like the lyrics, very simple and direct. |
| mooghead 29.10.2009 03:37 |
By anyones standard 'Body Language' is a pile of crap. |
| john bodega 29.10.2009 05:13 |
I'd totally sing a song called "Do Me From the Rear, Jim" but I'd be afraid of you guys claiming royalties on it. |
| Angeline 29.10.2009 05:41 |
Zebonka12 wrote: I'd totally sing a song called "Do Me From the Rear, Jim" but I'd be afraid of you guys claiming royalties on it. I'd definitely like a man who could pull that off with humour. HILarious. |