QueenZone discussion #1166041

victor fleitas wrote: this album sound really bad comparing to wembley or montreal, of course queen producctions didnt "remastered" the bootleg that some guy recorded, they just used the multitrack... there is nothing special about that... of course it will sound better than the bootleg...

THIS is what the FANS want !

macman223 wrote: One of my favorite live albums is Live Magic! A Majority of the songs are from the Knebworth Concert But the audio is completely remastered, It's Incredable! I'm dieing to know  how the heck do they remaster the audio to the unbelievable quality as heard in Live Magic! I know guys can share your comments and help me on this one. Thanks! 

  Raf wrote: I don't want a Live Magic re-release, I don't want a Live in Budapest DVD anytime soon and I couldn't care less about Knebworth being released in any format.

thequeen wrote:

      Raf wrote:   I don't want a Live Magic re-release, I don't want a Live in Budapest DVD anytime soon and I couldn't care less about Knebworth being released in any format.  

I want stuff from tours we still haven't got neither on CD nor on DVD. whoa ! really ? I mean, are you serious? ....I'll bake you a pie if you'll say that again : ) 

ThomasQuinn wrote:

macman223 wrote: One of my favorite live albums is Live Magic! A Majority of the songs are from the Knebworth Concert But the audio is completely remastered, It's Incredable! I'm dieing to know  how the heck do they remaster the audio to the unbelievable quality as heard in Live Magic! I know guys can share your comments and help me on this one. Thanks! 

It's not re-mastered, just mastered. Mastering refers to the processing of fully mixed recordings for release on an audio-carrier. It involves equalizing, compressing/limiting and the likes, to make the overall sound more balanced, and to optimize the sound for a variety of playback-configurations. Re-mastering occurs when the original master-track for a previously released recording is mastered for a new release. The term then serves merely to illustrate that the new release differs from the original one.

Raf wrote: I don't want a Live Magic re-release, I don't want a Live in Budapest DVD anytime soon and I couldn't care less about Knebworth being released in any format.

macman223 wrote: I have one of the bootlegs, and I use a Mac. It is possible to master the songs, to the sound qyality of the Live Magic Album through software?

Sir GH wrote:   There is no chance that an audience recording, even with the best possible gear recorded from the front row, can sound as good as something recorded properly from the soundboard.

Sir GH wrote:

Raf wrote: I don't want a Live Magic re-release, I don't want a Live in Budapest DVD anytime soon and I couldn't care less about Knebworth being released in any format.

If Knebworth is released, then great, for history reasons and all.  But honestly, the Live Magic fragment is great, and the Thank You All bootleg is certainly listenable enough.  It seems the big fans want something from the 70s, so let's see what 2009 brings.

Zebonka12 wrote: It's been fairly well established that there'll be no Knebworth DVD, on account of the video having never existed. (I dunno if that's what you were getting at). If they were to do the unthinkable and release MORE Magic Tour stuff... (like Budapest perhaps) it would definitely be a nice extra if they were to release whatever Knebworth stuff does exist, on a 2nd disc.  We've probably seen most of the film that there is already, but you never know.  It boggles the mind.  They basically have the perfect template in Led Zeppelin's live DVD set.  Someone ought to just slam that down in front of Brian and say to him, "DO THIS". It'd help to make sure he understands that we want 70's shows first, though.

Zebonka12 wrote: It's been fairly well established that there'll be no Knebworth DVD, on account of the video having never existed. (I dunno if that's what you were getting at).

redspecialusa wrote: Huh...I guess I falsely assumed because of the excerpt of a 'documentary' made about the Knebworth concert, that there was pro footage shot. I guess they must've left the tape out of the cameras that night. I agree w/ your ideas as well Z.

CMI wrote: I don't understand why people is so excited about the Led Zeppelin DVD. Yes, the quality of audio and footage is great but we have lost the opportunity to see the releases of complete set concerts from Earls Court 75 and Knebworth 79. It'll be much better to release Royal Albert Hall 1970 DVD, Earls Court 1975 DVD, Knebworth 1979 DVD as the separate editions and The Song Remains The Same DVD as it was released maybe with some alternate concert footage in addition. Personally I don't want to receive Queen DVD compilation of 5 tracks from each well-known 70's concert which deserves DVD release on its own.

Sir GH wrote:

macman223 wrote: I have one of the bootlegs, and I use a Mac. It is possible to master the songs, to the sound qyality of the Live Magic Album through software?

Definitely not.  It was recorded from very far away in the audience with a single microphone, whereas the band recorded the show from the soundboard.  There is no chance that an audience recording, even with the best possible gear recorded from the front row, can sound as good as something recorded properly from the soundboard.

macman223 wrote: But, with the edited versions of the songs from Knebworth from the Live Magic Album, and the Knebworth mastered version of Under Pressure that I heard on YouTube, I'm thinking that there's got to be a way to "master" it yourself

macman223 wrote: Do you guys know what drum set Roger Used At Knebworth?

Zebonka12 wrote: It's been fairly well established that there'll be no Knebworth DVD, on account of the video having never existed. (I dunno if that's what you were getting at).

Ken8 wrote: I'm not referring to the DoRo single camera stuff (audience wide shot during "GaGa" and the wide shot of the "ITTWWC" performance.  That footage doesn't match the video recording)

  macman223 wrote: Do you guys know what drum set Roger Used At Knebworth?

Sir GH wrote: Brian says the video screen wasn't recorded, so it's just a matter of what other little bits of footage remain.

Ken8 wrote: IIRC, the shot of Fred ripping a plastic bag off his head is one, and the shot of him striding up and down the stage's stairs (during Tear It Up) is another. As for losing material, Queen have nothing on the BBC, who have erased and lost hundreds of classic shows and programs!

Ken8 wrote: As for losing material, Queen have nothing on the BBC, who have erased and lost hundreds of classic shows and programs!

Ken8 wrote: For instance I know a Sydney 85 Works show was recorded in full by The Nine Network.  The intro and "Ga Ga" were all that were shown (I uploaded them here years ago), but the full OB crew covered that entire show.

thequeen wrote: There's only ONE thing that is absurd in this thread .... YOU don't know HALF of what's in the archives Please let's forget about wich GB has provided us with quite a while ago ... this is just the tip of the iceberg You don't have to take my word .... the time will come that QProduktions for once will be very interested in such footage .... you ALL know why don't you ?

thequeen wrote: For the people who haven't got a clue : GB likes to compare Queen(productions) and their whereabouts (including himself) with a bank ...nuff said !

jadedlady wrote:

Ken8 wrote: IIRC, the shot of Fred ripping a plastic bag off his head is one, and the shot of him striding up and down the stage's stairs (during Tear It Up) is another. As for losing material, Queen have nothing on the BBC, who have erased and lost hundreds of classic shows and programs!

Oh jeez, thats quite a shame. All that just gone[img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_down.gif][/img] . Does anyone know why the BBC erased so much? I bet they are kicking themselves now.

Sir GH wrote: But that doesn't necessarily mean all the footage has survived the test of time, or that it has been located in the archives.  Remember who was hired to take care of these things...

Ken8 wrote:

  jadedlady wrote:  

      Ken8 wrote:   IIRC, the shot of Fred ripping a plastic bag off his head is one, and the shot of him striding up and down the stage's stairs (during Tear It Up) is another. As for losing material, Queen have nothing on the BBC, who have erased and lost hundreds of classic shows and programs!  

Oh jeez, thats quite a shame. All that just gone[img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_down.gif][/img] . Does anyone know why the BBC erased so much? I bet they are kicking themselves now.

Yeah, they've been kicking themselves since the advent of home video and multi channel satellite TV. They literally erased the tapes for re-use!  Then went so far as to burn or destroy film copies of shows struck for international sales because they thought at the time there was no value in them. Many shows only survive thanks to film collectors finding reels in various places and car boot sales!

Ken8 wrote:

  jadedlady wrote:  

      Ken8 wrote:   IIRC, the shot of Fred ripping a plastic bag off his head is one, and the shot of him striding up and down the stage's stairs (during Tear It Up) is another. As for losing material, Queen have nothing on the BBC, who have erased and lost hundreds of classic shows and programs!  

Oh jeez, thats quite a shame. All that just gone[img=/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_down.gif][/img] . Does anyone know why the BBC erased so much? I bet they are kicking themselves now.

Yeah, they've been kicking themselves since the advent of home video and multi channel satellite TV. They literally erased the tapes for re-use!  Then went so far as to burn or destroy film copies of shows struck for international sales because they thought at the time there was no value in them. Many shows only survive thanks to film collectors finding reels in various places and car boot sales!

Ken8 wrote:

                              Sir GH wrote:               Brian says the video screen wasn't recorded, so it's just a matter of what other little bits of footage remain.              

But it was recorded.  If you went to that length in regards to the big screen shoot, you'd record it, all of it.  Tape is pretty cheap when you've invested that much.  Believe me, I've worked on a few of these type of things for international acts, and they are all recorded.  Even if just for the act to see back.  For instance I know a Sydney 85 Works show was recorded in full by The Nine Network.  The intro and "Ga Ga" were all that were shown (I uploaded them here years ago), but the full OB crew covered that entire show. Back to Knebworth, there are shots inserted into DoRo mashups that match the shots in my bootleg copy.  It defies logic to just record a minute here and a minute there. When it comes to what's in the vaults, frankly I'd take anything Brian says with a pinch of salt.  I get the feeling shows like Sydney, Knebworth and who knows what else may have "fallen behind a desk" as far as anyone at QPL are concerned

macman223 wrote: One of my favorite live albums is Live Magic! A Majority of the songs are from the Knebworth Concert But the audio is completely remastered, It's Incredable! I'm dieing to know  how the heck do they remaster the audio to the unbelievable quality as heard in Live Magic! I know guys can share your comments and help me on this one. Thanks! 

Battler wrote: The Knebworth Park show was never shot? Then what about the footage from it that appears in the video of The Show Must Go On? Parts of Radio Ga Ga on Rare Live? BTW, about the sound quality of the Live Magic album - yes, the European release has quite bad sound quality, but the Japanese release (which is re-mastered) improves on it a lot. ;)